VALVE says most PC gamers' rigs can't touch next gen consoles, OH NO!

let the butthurt commence

Chris_Williams

gtfo peasant

[QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]

Consolites forget that that they are still gaming on ancient hardware, 512RAM and 256 VRAM :P

ShadowriverUB

Crysis 3 at low settings on PC >>> Crysis 3 on consoles 

So all those Steam players still game better.

Most PC gamers post screenshots rendered by $3000 PC, only to play in low-medium settings themselves. Pretty sad if you ask me.

[QUOTE="Chris_Williams"]

let the butthurt commence

Lumpy311

gtfo peasant

[QUOTE="BeardMaster"]

[QUOTE="Krelian-co"]

not really, i doubt most basement dwellers that are in this forum can afford gaming pcs and keep them updated

Krelian-co

Odd, because hermits on here are usually saying PC gaming is cheaper than console gaming.

im not one of them, i do think even mid range pcs are better than consoles but i like to have high end gaming pc and is not cheap, still, it gives me miles better gaming experience than consoles, you get what you pay for.

And?

What I see there is that 68% of GPUs have DX11, 43% of PCs have more than 5 gigs of ram, and 44% of PCs have quad core processors. Now apply those percentages to the total number of Steam users, which is well over 30 million (link), and even if we cut that in half to 15 million (still lowballing it), we would see that there are roughly 7 million real gaming machines out there that use steam. I cut it in half because even I know that there are a lot of inactive accounts on Steam. I'm not going to try to inflate the numbers here.

If you have a DX11 GPU, 5+ gigs of ram, and a quad core processor odds are you're a fairly active gamer. So yeah, the PS3/360 have 70 million sold, but how many of those get regularly used? I would guess less than 1/3rd. 

7 million (an extremely conservative estimate, considering there were 5 million concurrent steam users a day ago), actual gaming computers is a very large market. Large enough for devs to justify building games exclusivly for.

So yeah, you're very thick. Even if only 25% of all steam accounts have modern gaming rigs, that's still more than enough of a market for devs to make AAA budget games for. Don't believe me? Why are there so many PC exclusives still? Why will Battlefield 4 run best on the PC? Why does Crysis 3 look the best on the PC? 

Let's look into the future. The PS4/XBox One aren't even on the market while the amount of gaming PCs continues to grow. In one year's time there will be even more gaming rigs while the consoles JUST get started. Each year the PS4 and Xbox One will continue to stay the same as PCs become more powerful and more and more users have more powerful PCs than the PS4 and Xbox One. 

Bascially this is a pathetic attempt to troll PC users. Those stats are actually very promising and we may finally start seeing some DX11 games instead of DX9 to start really utilizing the power of PC GPUs.

Valve opinion >>> SW PC gamers opinion I literally can't help myself :lol:Spartan070

And?

What I see there is that 68% of GPUs have DX11, 43% of PCs have more than 5 gigs of ram, and 44% of PCs have quad core processors. Now apply those percentages to the total number of Steam users, which is well over 30 million (link), and even if we cut that in half to 15 million (still lowballing it), we would see that there are roughly 7 million real gaming machines out there that use steam. 

If you have a DX11 GPU, 5+ gigs of ram, and a quad core processor odds are you're a fairly active gamer. So yeah, the PS3/360 have 70 million sold, but how many of those get regularly used? I would guess less than 1/3rd. 

7 million (an extremely conservative estimate, considering there were 5 million concurrent steam users a day ago), actual gaming computers is a very large market. Large enough for devs to justify building games exclusivly for.

So yeah, you're very thick. Even if only 25% of all steam accounts have modern gaming rigs, that's still more than enough of a market for devs to make AAA budget games for. Don't believe me? Why are there so many PC exclusives still? Why will Battlefield 4 run best on the PC? Why does Crysis 3 look the best on the PC? 

Wasdie

Mine is better than next gen consoles and that's all that matters

I wonder how many lems or cows have upgraded to better hardware. Oh wait, yeah... ZEROShadowDeathX

I upgraded to have better hardware than the consoles....I can't allow consoles to be better than my PC

And?

What I see there is that 68% of GPUs have DX11, 43% of PCs have more than 5 gigs of ram, and 44% of PCs have quad core processors. Now apply those percentages to the total number of Steam users, which is well over 30 million (link), and even if we cut that in half to 15 million (still lowballing it), we would see that there are roughly 7 million real gaming machines out there that use steam. 

If you have a DX11 GPU, 5+ gigs of ram, and a quad core processor odds are you're a fairly active gamer. So yeah, the PS3/360 have 70 million sold, but how many of those get regularly used? I would guess less than 1/3rd. 

7 million (an extremely conservative estimate, considering there were 5 million concurrent steam users a day ago), actual gaming computers is a very large market. Large enough for devs to justify building games exclusivly for.

So yeah, you're very thick. Even if only 25% of all steam accounts have modern gaming rigs, that's still more than enough of a market for devs to make AAA budget games for. Don't believe me? Why are there so many PC exclusives still? Why will Battlefield 4 run best on the PC? Why does Crysis 3 look the best on the PC? 

Wasdie

and Wasdie is back! ;)

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

And?

What I see there is that 68% of GPUs have DX11, 43% of PCs have more than 5 gigs of ram, and 44% of PCs have quad core processors. Now apply those percentages to the total number of Steam users, which is well over 30 million (link), and even if we cut that in half to 15 million (still lowballing it), we would see that there are roughly 7 million real gaming machines out there that use steam. 

If you have a DX11 GPU, 5+ gigs of ram, and a quad core processor odds are you're a fairly active gamer. So yeah, the PS3/360 have 70 million sold, but how many of those get regularly used? I would guess less than 1/3rd. 

7 million (an extremely conservative estimate, considering there were 5 million concurrent steam users a day ago), actual gaming computers is a very large market. Large enough for devs to justify building games exclusivly for.

So yeah, you're very thick. Even if only 25% of all steam accounts have modern gaming rigs, that's still more than enough of a market for devs to make AAA budget games for. Don't believe me? Why are there so many PC exclusives still? Why will Battlefield 4 run best on the PC? Why does Crysis 3 look the best on the PC? 

Chris_Williams

hmmm I love the smell of pc gamers butt hurt in the morning. Cry more Wasdie, I need some entertainment while eating my lucky charmsChris_Williams

Wow don't you look absolutly pathetic. 

[QUOTE="Chris_Williams"][QUOTE="Wasdie"]

And?

What I see there is that 68% of GPUs have DX11, 43% of PCs have more than 5 gigs of ram, and 44% of PCs have quad core processors. Now apply those percentages to the total number of Steam users, which is well over 30 million (link), and even if we cut that in half to 15 million (still lowballing it), we would see that there are roughly 7 million real gaming machines out there that use steam. 

If you have a DX11 GPU, 5+ gigs of ram, and a quad core processor odds are you're a fairly active gamer. So yeah, the PS3/360 have 70 million sold, but how many of those get regularly used? I would guess less than 1/3rd. 

7 million (an extremely conservative estimate, considering there were 5 million concurrent steam users a day ago), actual gaming computers is a very large market. Large enough for devs to justify building games exclusivly for.

So yeah, you're very thick. Even if only 25% of all steam accounts have modern gaming rigs, that's still more than enough of a market for devs to make AAA budget games for. Don't believe me? Why are there so many PC exclusives still? Why will Battlefield 4 run best on the PC? Why does Crysis 3 look the best on the PC? 

PurpleMan5000

And?

What I see there is that 68% of GPUs have DX11, 43% of PCs have more than 5 gigs of ram, and 44% of PCs have quad core processors. Now apply those percentages to the total number of Steam users, which is well over 30 million (link), and even if we cut that in half to 15 million (still lowballing it), we would see that there are roughly 7 million real gaming machines out there that use steam. I cut it in half because even I know that there are a lot of inactive accounts on Steam. I'm not going to try to inflate the numbers here.

If you have a DX11 GPU, 5+ gigs of ram, and a quad core processor odds are you're a fairly active gamer. So yeah, the PS3/360 have 70 million sold, but how many of those get regularly used? I would guess less than 1/3rd. 

7 million (an extremely conservative estimate, considering there were 5 million concurrent steam users a day ago), actual gaming computers is a very large market. Large enough for devs to justify building games exclusivly for.

So yeah, you're very thick. Even if only 25% of all steam accounts have modern gaming rigs, that's still more than enough of a market for devs to make AAA budget games for. Don't believe me? Why are there so many PC exclusives still? Why will Battlefield 4 run best on the PC? Why does Crysis 3 look the best on the PC? 

Let's look into the future. The PS4/XBox One aren't even on the market while the amount of gaming PCs continues to grow. In one year's time there will be even more gaming rigs while the consoles JUST get started. Each year the PS4 and Xbox One will continue to stay the same as PCs become more powerful and more and more users have more powerful PCs than the PS4 and Xbox One. 

Bascially this is a pathetic attempt to troll PC users. Those stats are actually very promising and we may finally start seeing some DX11 games instead of DX9 to start really utilizing the power of PC GPUs.

Wasdie

You just dropped 30 ton facts on top of the peasants, wasdie. Good job.

[QUOTE="PurpleMan5000"][QUOTE="Chris_Williams"] hmmm I love the smell of pc gamers butt hurt in the morning. Cry more Wasdie, I need some entertainment while eating my lucky charmsChris_Williams

Lmao, what a pathetic idiot that doesn't even understand math, go back to your peasant XBOX360.

What difference does that make for those of us that do?

[QUOTE="Lumpy311"]

[QUOTE="Chris_Williams"] let me guess you are a pc gamer. You mad too? lolChris_Williams

Lmao, what a pathetic idiot that doesn't even understand math, go back to your peasant XBOX360.

This is why everyone is mocking you, peasant.

THHBO :lol: xboxiphoneps3

Didn't even bother to read the posts on the thread :lol: peasants always make me laugh.

And?

What I see there is that 68% of GPUs have DX11, 43% of PCs have more than 5 gigs of ram, and 44% of PCs have quad core processors. Now apply those percentages to the total number of Steam users, which is well over 30 million (link), and even if we cut that in half to 15 million (still lowballing it), we would see that there are roughly 7 million real gaming machines out there that use steam. 

If you have a DX11 GPU, 5+ gigs of ram, and a quad core processor odds are you're a fairly active gamer. So yeah, the PS3/360 have 70 million sold, but how many of those get regularly used? I would guess less than 1/3rd. 

7 million (an extremely conservative estimate, considering there were 5 million concurrent steam users a day ago), actual gaming computers is a very large market. Large enough for devs to justify building games exclusivly for.

So yeah, you're very thick. Even if only 25% of all steam accounts have modern gaming rigs, that's still more than enough of a market for devs to make AAA budget games for. Don't believe me? Why are there so many PC exclusives still? Why will Battlefield 4 run best on the PC? Why does Crysis 3 look the best on the PC? 

Let's look into the future. The PS4/XBox One aren't even on the market while the amount of gaming PCs continues to grow. In one year's time there will be even more gaming rigs while the consoles JUST get started. Each year the PS4 and Xbox One will continue to stay the same as PCs become more powerful and more and more users have more powerful PCs than the PS4 and Xbox One. 

Bascially this is a pathetic attempt to troll PC users. Those stats are actually very promising and we may finally start seeing some DX11 games instead of DX9 to start really utilizing the power of PC GPUs.

Wasdie

yea but the percentage of PC gamers that have all those things is quite lower. I have a DX11 card and a dual core processor. Probably alot of folks running quad cores are doing so on laptops that have intel GPUs that while technically DX11, are incredibly weaksauce.

And?

What I see there is that 68% of GPUs have DX11, 43% of PCs have more than 5 gigs of ram, and 44% of PCs have quad core processors. Now apply those percentages to the total number of Steam users, which is well over 30 million (link), and even if we cut that in half to 15 million (still lowballing it), we would see that there are roughly 7 million real gaming machines out there that use steam. I cut it in half because even I know that there are a lot of inactive accounts on Steam. I'm not going to try to inflate the numbers here.

If you have a DX11 GPU, 5+ gigs of ram, and a quad core processor odds are you're a fairly active gamer. So yeah, the PS3/360 have 70 million sold, but how many of those get regularly used? I would guess less than 1/3rd. 

7 million (an extremely conservative estimate, considering there were 5 million concurrent steam users a day ago), actual gaming computers is a very large market. Large enough for devs to justify building games exclusivly for.

So yeah, you're very thick. Even if only 25% of all steam accounts have modern gaming rigs, that's still more than enough of a market for devs to make AAA budget games for. Don't believe me? Why are there so many PC exclusives still? Why will Battlefield 4 run best on the PC? Why does Crysis 3 look the best on the PC? 

Let's look into the future. The PS4/XBox One aren't even on the market while the amount of gaming PCs continues to grow. In one year's time there will be even more gaming rigs while the consoles JUST get started. Each year the PS4 and Xbox One will continue to stay the same as PCs become more powerful and more and more users have more powerful PCs than the PS4 and Xbox One. 

Bascially this is a pathetic attempt to troll PC users. Those stats are actually very promising and we may finally start seeing some DX11 games instead of DX9 to start really utilizing the power of PC GPUs.

Wasdie

Wasdie, you use 2010 article to count Steam users. There are already 55M active registred accounts, according to wiki.

Wasdie, you use 2010 article to count Steam users. There are already 55M active registred accounts, according to wiki.

jhonMalcovich

It was the first one I found that wasn't Wiki. That's why I said "well over 30 million".

I'm also not going to pretend those 55 million are active. It's probably more like 20 million. So many people make 5+ steam accounts. It's sad.

This is why the Next-Gen consoles are so appealing.

Only a fraction of the PC gaming base actually has high-end PCs that surpass the Next-Gen consoles performance.

You need to spend upwards around $800 for high-end PC gaming. 

The new consoles are $400 and $500 and never need to be upgraded.

Pretty easy choice there.

I'm pretty sure no hermit will deny those numbers. Considering most PCs are office PCs or a home desktop or laptop. I know I have Steam loaded on my office laptop as well as my gaming rig. My gaming rig still blows PS4 and XBO out of the water.

Most PC gamers post screenshots rendered by $3000 PC, only to play in low-medium settings themselves. Pretty sad if you ask me.

Mr_BillGates

This is why the Next-Gen consoles are so appealing.

Only a fraction of the PC gaming base actually has high-end PCs that surpass the Next-Gen consoles performance.

You need to spend upwards around $800 for high-end PC gaming. 

The new consoles are $400 and $500 and never need to be upgraded.

Pretty easy choice there.

Netherscourge

That fraction is still more than enough to make developers build their games to take advantage of the hardware. 

Why is it that DICE is still building the best version of BF4 on the PC? If there were that few PC gamers they wouldn't even bother spending the development time or budget optimizing their engine for high end PCs and would focus solely on the consoles with a medicore PC port.

I wonder how many gamers have TV's that can support native 1080p?... There are A LOT of TV's that are 1024x768 and 1366x768 out there. Users on many forums and on benchmark sites equate to around 5-10 million or even more with 1920x1080 and higher resolutions with heavily overclocked and customized gaming PC's that wipe the floor with next generation hardware. You guys enjoy playing Battlefield 3 at 1280x720 at medium settings on your 32 inch 1366x768 TV's... While several million of us play it at 1920x1080 or higher on High to ultra settings.Grey_Eyed_Elf

They will enjoy it. Same exact game with less shiny graphics and they save hundreds of dollars.

You overrated the value of High-End PC gaming.

Mine is better than next gen consoles and that's all that matters

seanmcloughlin

[QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]

Wasdie, you use 2010 article to count Steam users. There are already 55M active registred accounts, according to wiki.

Wasdie

It was the first one I found that wasn't Wiki. That's why I said "well over 30 million".

I'm also not going to pretend those 55 million are active. It's probably more like 20 million. So many people make 5+ steam accounts. It's sad.

So, hermits have a rich mans PS3/360 while at the same time a poor mans ps4/X1  

This thread might come biting you back in a few years, temporal ownage fueled by an illusion of grandeur.
 
You cannot categorize hermits as one, like you can with sheep, cows and lemmings, because down to its roots, hermits have choices, while sheep, cows and lemmings only have one. 
 
Also, being the PC master race is not tied uniquely to having better quality graphics, but also the choice to augment the gaming experience with gameplay, graphics and mods an option hermits have over consolites, while consolites are stuck with what they have for 10 years with just that one choice and the realization that what they have is a gimped mans PC.
 
- Gamer

This is why the Next-Gen consoles are so appealing.

Only a fraction of the PC gaming base actually has high-end PCs that surpass the Next-Gen consoles performance.

You need to spend upwards around $800 for high-end PC gaming. 

The new consoles are $400 and $500 and never need to be upgraded.

Pretty easy choice there.

Netherscourge

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

And?

What I see there is that 68% of GPUs have DX11, 43% of PCs have more than 5 gigs of ram, and 44% of PCs have quad core processors. Now apply those percentages to the total number of Steam users, which is well over 30 million (link), and even if we cut that in half to 15 million (still lowballing it), we would see that there are roughly 7 million real gaming machines out there that use steam. 

If you have a DX11 GPU, 5+ gigs of ram, and a quad core processor odds are you're a fairly active gamer. So yeah, the PS3/360 have 70 million sold, but how many of those get regularly used? I would guess less than 1/3rd. 

7 million (an extremely conservative estimate, considering there were 5 million concurrent steam users a day ago), actual gaming computers is a very large market. Large enough for devs to justify building games exclusivly for.

So yeah, you're very thick. Even if only 25% of all steam accounts have modern gaming rigs, that's still more than enough of a market for devs to make AAA budget games for. Don't believe me? Why are there so many PC exclusives still? Why will Battlefield 4 run best on the PC? Why does Crysis 3 look the best on the PC? 

Chris_Williams

counter a well thought argument presented with statistics with dumb one liners, peasant style.

great counter argument there champ.

The majority of these "PC gamers" don't use "gaming rigs". They bought themselfs a cheap laptop for studies, facebook, porn and so on, and figured out it could play games aswell. Most multiplats don't exactly have high requirements to run, which is the main reason why PC sales have increased. But as the games gets more advanced next gen, these people suddenly can't run they're games on these laptops, and I doubt they will buy a new, more expencive laptop or PC just to play games.

[QUOTE="Netherscourge"]

This is why the Next-Gen consoles are so appealing.

Only a fraction of the PC gaming base actually has high-end PCs that surpass the Next-Gen consoles performance.

You need to spend upwards around $800 for high-end PC gaming. 

The new consoles are $400 and $500 and never need to be upgraded.

Pretty easy choice there.

Wasdie

That fraction is still more than enough to make developers build their games to take advantage of the hardware. 

Why is it that DICE is still building the best version of BF4 on the PC? If there were that few PC gamers they wouldn't even bother spending the development time or budget optimizing their engine for high end PCs and would focus solely on the consoles with a medicore PC port.

I think DICE is more interested in showing off and licensing the Frostbite 3 engine than actually selling BF4 on consoles.

DICE is competeing with Crytech and Unreal 3, in addition to wanting to have ports on all the major systems.

They got lots of competition to deal with. And I'm sure Source 3 is right around the corner too.

Also, sadly, 47.34% of Steam users are only rocking dual-core CPUs

Thats probably where it comes from

R3FURBISHED

So 0 console gamers have a next gen console while according to steam stats there are close to 10 million pc gamers on steam alone that have something in the lines or better than next gen consoles ? By the time either console will hit 10million userbase that number will probably be 20million adamosmaki

You see, consolites, the post above is called COMMON SENSE.

[QUOTE="Netherscourge"]

This is why the Next-Gen consoles are so appealing.

Only a fraction of the PC gaming base actually has high-end PCs that surpass the Next-Gen consoles performance.

You need to spend upwards around $800 for high-end PC gaming. 

The new consoles are $400 and $500 and never need to be upgraded.

Pretty easy choice there.

Wasdie

That fraction is still more than enough to make developers build their games to take advantage of the hardware. 

Why is it that DICE is still building the best version of BF4 on the PC? If there were that few PC gamers they wouldn't even bother spending the development time or budget optimizing their engine for high end PCs and would focus solely on the consoles with a medicore PC port.

If you have been a long time PC gamer you cant deny the amount of PC devs pushing hardware is nothing like it used to be.

PC gaming as a whole is moving away from high specced rigs.

This is why the Next-Gen consoles are so appealing.

Only a fraction of the PC gaming base actually has high-end PCs that surpass the Next-Gen consoles performance.

You need to spend upwards around $800 for high-end PC gaming.

The new consoles are $400 and $500 and never need to be upgraded.

Pretty easy choice there.

Netherscourge

At $60 per console game, you would spend $3600 on software alone. Total cost $400 + $3600 = $4000.

Now let's say you buy a new game every month on PC over the same time period. Estimating that 10 of these 12 games you buy each year cost $50 while two you buy each year are from publishers that charge $60 for their PC titles (Ubisoft etc.) then you get a net savings of $100 per year. $800 + $3100 = $3900. The final calculus has the PC gamer saving a total of $100 after 5 years, offsetting the cost of the $400 hardware price difference. These numbers were intentionally conservative.

And I'm not even figuring in the relatively huge savings you can generate if you are a patient consumer who avoids day one purchases... Steam and Humble Bundle sales offer deals the likes of which one never sees in the console ecology. For instance, how much would you expect to pay for a box set of all the GTA games and DLC if it were to come out on consoles? $100? I recently picked up all the GTA games and DLC for $12 on a Steam sale. Similarly, I just got 7 great games for $5, several of them recent, in the last Humble Origin Bundle sale. And guess what? They look and run better than their more expensive counterparts. So as you can see, PC gaming costs more up front, but less over time.

[QUOTE="Grey_Eyed_Elf"]I wonder how many gamers have TV's that can support native 1080p?... There are A LOT of TV's that are 1024x768 and 1366x768 out there. Users on many forums and on benchmark sites equate to around 5-10 million or even more with 1920x1080 and higher resolutions with heavily overclocked and customized gaming PC's that wipe the floor with next generation hardware. You guys enjoy playing Battlefield 3 at 1280x720 at medium settings on your 32 inch 1366x768 TV's... While several million of us play it at 1920x1080 or higher on High to ultra settings.Netherscourge

They will enjoy it. Same exact game with less shiny graphics and they save hundreds of dollars.

You overrated the value of High-End PC gaming.