VALVE says most PC gamers' rigs can't touch next gen consoles, OH NO!

I think DICE is more interested in showing off and licensing the Frostbite 3 engine than actually selling BF4 on consoles.

DICE is competeing with Crytech and Unreal 3, in addition to wanting to have ports on all the major systems.

They got lots of competition to deal with. And I'm sure Source 3 is right around the corner too.

Netherscourge

DICE isn't competeing with those engines. They have an exclusive deal with EA. EA uses the engine and DICE never licenses it out to anybody else. 

The GTX Titan I have has more TFlops then the 3 next gen consoles + 3 current gen consoles "combined".

This survey probably counting casual notebook users with Intel HD graphics

 

If you have been a long time PC gamer you cant deny the amount of PC devs pushing hardware is nothing like it used to be.

 

PC gaming as a whole is moving away from high specced rigs.

BeardMaster

What are you talking about? It's higher than it's ever been. Gaming hardware sells more and more each year. The PC market exploded in the early 2000s. Then in the middle of the 2000s laptops took over. Everybody was buying a laptop. The PC market was 100x the size it was so those laptop sales were vastly outpacing gaming PC hardware sales. However gaming hardware sales continued to increase.

There are more PC gamers now than ever before. The PC market may be dying out but custom built PCs are doing just fine. They have always been a faction of the market. Custom built PCs and gaming rigs are their own market. What happens to the PC market as a whole usually doesn't affect the power users.

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

Not really surprising considering the most played games on Steam (Dota 2, TF2, CS, L4D, etc) all run on Source and only require a laptop to run at good settings. People that play those games don't need a $300+ GPU

ShadowriverUB

pc gamer doesn't necessarily mean hermit.

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

Mine is better than next gen consoles and that's all that matters

clyde46

[QUOTE="BeardMaster"]

 

If you have been a long time PC gamer you cant deny the amount of PC devs pushing hardware is nothing like it used to be.

 

PC gaming as a whole is moving away from high specced rigs.

Wasdie

What are you talking about? It's higher than it's ever been. Gaming hardware sells more and more each year. The PC market exploded in the early 2000s. Then in the middle of the 2000s laptops took over. Everybody was buying a laptop. The PC market was 100x the size it was so those laptop sales were vastly outpacing gaming PC hardware sales. However gaming hardware sales continued to increase.

There are more PC gamers now than ever before. The PC market may be dying out but custom built PCs are doing just fine. They have always been a faction of the market. Custom built PCs and gaming rigs are their own market. What happens to the PC market as a whole usually doesn't affect the power users.

[QUOTE="Netherscourge"]

This is why the Next-Gen consoles are so appealing.

Only a fraction of the PC gaming base actually has high-end PCs that surpass the Next-Gen consoles performance.

You need to spend upwards around $800 for high-end PC gaming. 

The new consoles are $400 and $500 and never need to be upgraded.

Pretty easy choice there.

donalbane

I dont buy a tons of new releases these days but when i do i usually get some sort of game credit of $10-25 for preordering, and then after i beat the game if its something i dont forsee myself playing again i can usually ebay it and get at least $35 back.

PC gamers seem to greatly exaggerate the cost of console games. Whether or not you save money on software for PC greatly depends on your purchasing habbits.

Heh. I figured someone would make a thread about this.

Only have one thing to say: Romans were mostly plebs. Only a few could be patricians. :cool: 

and the price of affordable hardware i think is proof of that . Back in 2000 to get a decent gaming GPU you would have to spend close if not more than $300 in todays value. Nowdays affordable and capable Gpu's in the $100-250 segment are plenty and the competition their is quite fierce between Nvidia and AMD with gpus like AMD 77xx,78xx and Nvidia gtx 65x series And the price drop it happened to all components Ram,psu ( back in the day there wasnt even a talk about psu's since anything could be fine ), cpu's adamosmaki

Good PC hardware was actually more than that and you had to upgrade far more frequently. The whole stereotype of the $2000 PC did come from somewhere.

Today your GPU will last you 2-3 years without a problem. Even longer if you don't mind turning settings down. Back in the late 90s and early 2000s you would be lucky to get 2 years until your hardware was not even supported. Once DX9 hit that changed a bit.

they're probably right though, while PCs offer best performance edge if you have best hardware, many people don't have the best hardware and their hardware can be pretty dated but that probably doesn't stop some hermits on here from pretending their PCs run like the best of them just to boast their hermit pridelamprey263

Most of Steam gamers PCs beat current gen consoles, so they were/are right. You are just jealous..

Not surprising. The only reason PC gaming has such vast support and is so popular is because everyone has a PC and a lot of the machines are older, no one bothers to update. A majority of PC gamers aren't enthusiasts that bother to keep up to date.

[QUOTE="xboxiphoneps3"]THHBO :lol: Lumpy311

Didn't even bother to read the posts on the thread :lol: peasants always make me laugh.

[QUOTE="BeardMaster"]

 

If you have been a long time PC gamer you cant deny the amount of PC devs pushing hardware is nothing like it used to be.

 

PC gaming as a whole is moving away from high specced rigs.

Wasdie

What are you talking about? It's higher than it's ever been. Gaming hardware sells more and more each year. The PC market exploded in the early 2000s. Then in the middle of the 2000s laptops took over. Everybody was buying a laptop. The PC market was 100x the size it was so those laptop sales were vastly outpacing gaming PC hardware sales. However gaming hardware sales continued to increase.

There are more PC gamers now than ever before. The PC market may be dying out but custom built PCs are doing just fine. They have always been a faction of the market. Custom built PCs and gaming rigs are their own market. What happens to the PC market as a whole usually doesn't affect the power users.

im talking about software devs pushing hardware minimum requirements, and how they no longer do that. Mainly because they want to court the exploding userbase of low spec users and gain access to the wider market.

For instance when warcraft 3 was released in 2002, if your PC was more than 3 years old... you were boned. When diablo 3 was released nin 2012, got a 7 year old PC? no problem.

I knew this already... which is why I'm buying some early multiplats this new gen. for PS4 instead of my gaming PC. My PC will no doubt play any game out this fall... but the benefit I get from the power of my PC will be severly reduced when the PS4 launches.... in 2 years though, I'll have upgraded again and it'll be back to PC multiplats for the rest of the generation.

current PC specs - i7 950 @ 3.05 Ghz - 12 GB DDR3 1600Mhz RAM - 2 GB GTX 660ti GPU

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="BeardMaster"]

 

If you have been a long time PC gamer you cant deny the amount of PC devs pushing hardware is nothing like it used to be.

 

PC gaming as a whole is moving away from high specced rigs.

BeardMaster

What are you talking about? It's higher than it's ever been. Gaming hardware sells more and more each year. The PC market exploded in the early 2000s. Then in the middle of the 2000s laptops took over. Everybody was buying a laptop. The PC market was 100x the size it was so those laptop sales were vastly outpacing gaming PC hardware sales. However gaming hardware sales continued to increase.

There are more PC gamers now than ever before. The PC market may be dying out but custom built PCs are doing just fine. They have always been a faction of the market. Custom built PCs and gaming rigs are their own market. What happens to the PC market as a whole usually doesn't affect the power users.

im talking about software devs pushing hardware minimum requirements, and how they no longer do that. Mainly because they want to court the exploding userbase of low spec users and gain access to the wider market.

For instance when warcraft 3 was released in 2002, if your PC was more than 3 years old... you were boned. When diablo 3 was released nin 2012, got a 7 year old PC? no problem.

No. They just release the games with high scalable visuals setups which are usually low, medium, high, very high, ultra and extreme. I would say game optimiation and scalability improved hugely this gen. You can run Crysis 3 on a 6-year old PC, and low setting are still better than Crysis on consoles. Or you can run it on ultra and it blows away anything next gen consoles show.

PS. Diablo was never a benchmarker. Diablo 2 was made to run on Pentium 200s. I ran it maxxed on my Pentium 266 mmx ;)

I guess I'm one of the few who have a PC more powerful than next gen consoles. :P

Also, 47% still rocking core 2 duo's???? These people need help.

I guess I'm one of the few who have a PC more powerful than next gen consoles. :P

Also, 47% still rocking core 2 duo's???? These people need help.

dream431ca

I guess I'm one of the few who have a PC more powerful than next gen consoles. :P

Also, 47% still rocking core 2 duo's???? These people need help.

dream431ca

Also, 47% still rocking core 2 duo's???? These people need help.

dream431ca

They were talking about people who still uses dual core processors while using Steam, but did they mention what games those people play on steam? ;D

Steam statistics are saying that about 10 million PC gamers already have an equivalent or better PC than next gen consoles, and 0 console gamers have next gen consoles.

console peasants have been owned once more.

So everyone with a steam account is a hermit now?

lmao

[QUOTE="dream431ca"]

Also, 47% still rocking core 2 duo's???? These people need help.

TransvormerSCol

They were talking about people who still uses dual core processors while using Steam, but did they mention what games these people play on steam? ;D

[QUOTE="donalbane"][QUOTE="Netherscourge"]

This is why the Next-Gen consoles are so appealing.

Only a fraction of the PC gaming base actually has high-end PCs that surpass the Next-Gen consoles performance.

You need to spend upwards around $800 for high-end PC gaming. 

The new consoles are $400 and $500 and never need to be upgraded.

Pretty easy choice there.

BeardMaster

I dont buy a tons of new releases these days but when i do i usually get some sort of game credit of $10-25 for preordering, and then after i beat the game if its something i dont forsee myself playing again i can usually ebay it and get at least $35 back.

PC gamers seem to greatly exaggerate the cost of console games. Whether or not you save money on software for PC greatly depends on your purchasing habbits.

im talking about software devs pushing hardware minimum requirements, and how they no longer do that. Mainly because they want to court the exploding userbase of low spec users and gain access to the wider market.

For instance when warcraft 3 was released in 2002, if your PC was more than 3 years old... you were boned. When diablo 3 was released nin 2012, got a 7 year old PC? no problem.

BeardMaster

They don't need to raise minimum specs anymore. CPUs have gotten to a point they are mostly irrelevant. A dual core CPU from 2008 can still run games without many problems. Game engines have also been developed to scale far better than ever before. It's a different time than it was. Our software has finally caught up to our hardware. 

[QUOTE="TransvormerSCol"]

[QUOTE="dream431ca"]

Also, 47% still rocking core 2 duo's???? These people need help.

clyde46

They were talking about people who still uses dual core processors while using Steam, but did they mention what games these people play on steam? ;D

[QUOTE="BeardMaster"]

im talking about software devs pushing hardware minimum requirements, and how they no longer do that. Mainly because they want to court the exploding userbase of low spec users and gain access to the wider market.

For instance when warcraft 3 was released in 2002, if your PC was more than 3 years old... you were boned. When diablo 3 was released nin 2012, got a 7 year old PC? no problem.

Wasdie

They don't need to raise minimum specs anymore. CPUs have gotten to a point they are mostly irrelevant. A dual core CPU from 2008 can still run games without many problems. Game engines have also been developed to scale far better than ever before. It's a different time than it was. Our software has finally caught up to our hardware. 

[QUOTE="BeardMaster"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

What are you talking about? It's higher than it's ever been. Gaming hardware sells more and more each year. The PC market exploded in the early 2000s. Then in the middle of the 2000s laptops took over. Everybody was buying a laptop. The PC market was 100x the size it was so those laptop sales were vastly outpacing gaming PC hardware sales. However gaming hardware sales continued to increase.

There are more PC gamers now than ever before. The PC market may be dying out but custom built PCs are doing just fine. They have always been a faction of the market. Custom built PCs and gaming rigs are their own market. What happens to the PC market as a whole usually doesn't affect the power users.

jhonMalcovich

im talking about software devs pushing hardware minimum requirements, and how they no longer do that. Mainly because they want to court the exploding userbase of low spec users and gain access to the wider market.

For instance when warcraft 3 was released in 2002, if your PC was more than 3 years old... you were boned. When diablo 3 was released nin 2012, got a 7 year old PC? no problem.

No. They just release the games with high scalable visuals setups which are usually low, medium, high, very high, ultra and extreme. I would say game optimiation and scalability improved hugely this gen. You can run Crysis 3 on a 6-year old PC, and low setting are still better than Crysis on consoles. Or you can run it on ultra and it blows away anything next gen consoles show.

PS. Diablo was never a benchmarker. Diablo 2 was made to run on Pentium 200s. I ran it maxxed on my Pentium 266 mmx ;)

well diablo 2 was only a 2d game, and hey that pentium 2 was still fairly new at the time.

and actually you cant run crysis 3 on a 6 year old PC, it requires DX11 and the very first DX11 cards came out at the tail end of 2009 so at release it only supported cards a little over 3 years old. Which is precisely my point, what is now reserved for benchmarking software used to be the norm.

scalability certainly has a role, but is also the reason quad cores are underutilized as well DX11, the tradeoff is you design the game around the older standards then add some bells and whistles in for the enthusiasts, but for the most part games arent designed/optimized around newer hardware standards as part of the tradeoff.

[QUOTE="TransvormerSCol"]

[QUOTE="dream431ca"]

Also, 47% still rocking core 2 duo's???? These people need help.

clyde46

They were talking about people who still uses dual core processors while using Steam, but did they mention what games these people play on steam? ;D

So how can people think, that the most of the dual core processor users are also playing games with more powerful hardware requerements? On the wiki, they're writing about 54 million registred steam accounts, but the most of the currrent players were seen with something about 6.6million.

[QUOTE="dream431ca"]

I guess I'm one of the few who have a PC more powerful than next gen consoles. :P

Also, 47% still rocking core 2 duo's???? These people need help.

clyde46

That would make a lot of sense.

Not many PC gamers have 670's or 780's, most of them have lower end cards or even integrated cards.

[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="TransvormerSCol"]

They were talking about people who still uses dual core processors while using Steam, but did they mention what games these people play on steam? ;D

TransvormerSCol

So how can people think, that the most of the dual core processor users are also playing games with more powerful hardware requerements? On the wiki, they're writing about 54 million registred steam accounts, but the most of the currrent players were seen with something about 6.6million.

Not many PC gamers have 670's or 780's, most of them have lower end cards or even integrated cards.

XVision84

But nobody has a next gen console yet. Doh.

But nobody has a next gen console yet. Doh.

jhonMalcovich

Are you talking about PS4 and/or XBone?

[QUOTE="XVision84"]

Not many PC gamers have 670's or 780's, most of them have lower end cards or even integrated cards.

jhonMalcovich

But nobody has a next gen console yet. Doh.

Yeah, they're not out yet.

But comparing power, most PC gamers will find that games on next gen consoles look better.

[QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]

But nobody has a next gen console yet. Doh.

TransvormerSCol

Are you talking about PS4 and/or XBone?

Both.

[QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]

[QUOTE="XVision84"]

Not many PC gamers have 670's or 780's, most of them have lower end cards or even integrated cards.

XVision84

But nobody has a next gen console yet. Doh.

Yeah, they're not out yet.

But comparing power, most PC gamers will find that games on next gen consoles look better.

No, if they upgrade. Or do you think that every PC gamer will stay with their 5 year old PC forever and ever ? According to Steam stats, there are already some 5M gamers who own PCs that beat next gen consoles hardware. While next gen consoles will barely sell 3M units al launch. In the end, there will be more Pc gamers with high end PC than next gen consolites at the start of next gen. 

Threads like this crack me up. How does most PC gamers having weaker specs have any effect on me and my specs? I couldn't care less what other PC gamers are gaming on.AmazonTreeBoa

[QUOTE="AmazonTreeBoa"]Threads like this crack me up. How does most PC gamers having weaker specs have any effect on me and my specs? I couldn't care less what other PC gamers are gaming on.m3Boarder32

Yes, i love your plasma, it ups the resolution, graphics and everything!

God m3boarder, you are a joke.

Thats because most PC games don't keep upgrading their rig. They buy a new PC every 10-15 years.Rattlesnake_8

This. While 10-15 years is a lot, probably it's more like 5-7 years, most people use their hardware until it basically dies or develops a quirk that limits it's use or performance.

[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="TransvormerSCol"]

They were talking about people who still uses dual core processors while using Steam, but did they mention what games these people play on steam? ;D

TransvormerSCol

So how can people think, that the most of the dual core processor users are also playing games with more powerful hardware requerements? On the wiki, they're writing about 54 million registred steam accounts, but the most of the currrent players were seen with something about 6.6million.