VALVE says most PC gamers' rigs can't touch next gen consoles, OH NO!

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"][QUOTE="lostrib"]

uh, If I don't care about what most PC gamers have, why am I going to care about what you have?

lostrib

Superior in what way? and can you prove it

PC's aren't bundled with Kinect like the Xbox One is. Sorry herms, but the Dance Party Kinect experience can only be done on Xbox One for the low price of $500 :o.

[QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

[QUOTE="XVision84"]

It does affect you because the developers who make games will focus on the lowest common denominator. I know there will be games like Crysis or The Witcher that will aim to push PC power forward, but the majority of games that release for PC or as multiplatform games will have to cater to the audience that have PC's on-par with last generation hardware. If everyone had a PC that was stronger than the PS4/Xbox One then we'd have much better looking PC games, but that's not how it works. Of course, there will always be mods to boost the graphics and performance and that's great, but not every game supports that and mods generally aren't as efficient in terms of power or performance. Obviously, if you have a PC that's more powerful than the next gen consoles then your games will look better for sure, but that's not to say that you aren't being held back by the consoles and fellow PC gamers with lower specs.

m3Boarder32

Currently there are about 10 million PC gamers with equivalent or better PC than next gen consoles, and none console gamers have next gen consoles.

10 million > 0 :cool:

and by the time console gamers with next gen consoles reach 10 million(in a year), PC gamers with equivalent or better PC will be 20 million.

really?

I play all my games with "2560x1440, 60fps, max settings, k/m(or any other control schemes), mods, etc" and you with "1280x720(or sub HD) 20-30fps, low settings, controller, no mods, etc".

[QUOTE="TransvormerSCol"]

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"]Better contrast, better color saturation, better motion resoltion, bigger screen, more comfortable seating space, better audio. Yep no doubt about it, my console setup is vastly superior than your PC setup toom3Boarder32

Do you even have a gaming PC? Probably, you've no idea what you're talking about.

All these settings can be adjusted on a PC System better then on a TV. Because of the extended graphics driver configurations and the corresponding display setup. Besides, your consoles does not run even on 1080p (they're just upscaling), so this is totally trash talking coming out from you.

someone else thinks this is bs?, if that were true you wouldn't act so butthurt to pcs all the time xD

only you know if its true or not but if its not just shows what a sad person you are.

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"] Fair enough, just letting you know that console gaming is superior according to our setupsm3Boarder32

Superior in what way? and can you prove it

I honestly don't, if you want to spend that much and you believe it's superior then kudos for you. But I believe you have said before that you always back up/prove your claims.  So i was just wondering if you can prove it

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"][QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

Currently there are about 10 million PC gamers with equivalent or better PC than next gen consoles, and none console gamers have next gen consoles.

10 million > 0 :cool:

and by the time console gamers with next gen consoles reach 10 million(in a year), PC gamers with equivalent or better PC will be 20 million.

MK-Professor

really?

I play all my games with "2560x1440, 60fps, max settings, k/m(or any other control schemes), mods, etc" and you with "1280x720(or sub HD) 20-30fps, low settings, controller, no mods, etc".

his response will now involve something with 2013 HDTV of the year, plasma, and 4k surround sound.  

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"][QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

Currently there are about 10 million PC gamers with equivalent or better PC than next gen consoles, and none console gamers have next gen consoles.

10 million > 0 :cool:

and by the time console gamers with next gen consoles reach 10 million(in a year), PC gamers with equivalent or better PC will be 20 million.

MK-Professor

really?

I play all my games with "2560x1440, 60fps, max settings, k/m(or any other control schemes), mods, etc" and you with "1280x720(or sub HD) 20-30fps, low settings, controller, no mods, etc".

That's petty performance only good enough for peasant hermits. m3Boarder's consoles play games at 4k res 120fps and at max settings thanks to his fanboy glasses.

[QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"] Fair enough, just letting you know that console gaming is superior according to our setupsm3Boarder32

Since when 512 of Ram and 256 of VRAM are superior to Dualcores+ and 2GB+ of RAM and 1+GB of GPU :P 

Yeeeeh:|

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"][QUOTE="menes777"]

Considering that some do already it's only going to short amount of time before even the cheap components are several times better than consoles.

lostrib

it seems you have never actually proven your set up is superior, or who/what it is superior to

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"] And my console setup will still be superior :cool:AmazonTreeBoa

it seems you have never actually proven your set up is superior, or who/what it is superior to

I don't think he has a 4k tv.  But he's just trolling

[QUOTE="AmazonTreeBoa"][QUOTE="lostrib"]

it seems you have never actually proven your set up is superior, or who/what it is superior to

lostrib

I don't think he has a 4k tv.  But he's just trolling

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"][QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

Currently there are about 10 million PC gamers with equivalent or better PC than next gen consoles, and none console gamers have next gen consoles.

10 million > 0 :cool:

and by the time console gamers with next gen consoles reach 10 million(in a year), PC gamers with equivalent or better PC will be 20 million.

MK-Professor

really?

I play all my games with "2560x1440, 60fps, max settings, k/m(or any other control schemes), mods, etc" and you with "1280x720(or sub HD) 20-30fps, low settings, controller, no mods, etc".

[QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"] But my console setup is superior to your PC setup, and that bugs you :) Console Gaming > PC Gaminglostrib

really?

I play all my games with "2560x1440, 60fps, max settings, k/m(or any other control schemes), mods, etc" and you with "1280x720(or sub HD) 20-30fps, low settings, controller, no mods, etc".

his response will now involve something with 2013 HDTV of the year, plasma, and 4k surround sound.  

Better get started on your turnip quota hermits, GabeN is not pleased with you.

But hermits who post their multi-thousand dollar hardware set up will still act like a-holes and assume that their rig represents all PC gamer's specs. 

Better get started on your turnip quota hermits, GabeN is not pleased with you.

ReadingRainbow4

[QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"] But my console setup is superior to your PC setup, and that bugs you :) Console Gaming > PC Gamingm3Boarder32

really?

I play all my games with "2560x1440, 60fps, max settings, k/m(or any other control schemes), mods, etc" and you with "1280x720(or sub HD) 20-30fps, low settings, controller, no mods, etc".

Everybody can buy that. It´s not exclusive to Console Gaming :|

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"][QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

really?

I play all my games with "2560x1440, 60fps, max settings, k/m(or any other control schemes), mods, etc" and you with "1280x720(or sub HD) 20-30fps, low settings, controller, no mods, etc".

jhonMalcovich

Everybody can buy that. It´s not exclusive to Console Gaming :|

But hermits who post their multi-thousand dollar hardware set up will still act like a-holes and assume that their rig represents all PC gamer's specs. 

Guy_Brohski

[QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]

[QUOTE="XVision84"]

Do you really think that the majority of PC gamers know how to open up their PC and switch the parts around? People on laptops and most people just having general purpose PC's will not upgrade their PC parts because they don't need to and they don't even know how to. They can buy a new PC, but not every person gaming on PC plays games at resolutions above 1080p with mods and everything maxed out. When people go to buy computers, they go to best buy or futureshop, and they do NOT sell 670's there. They sell cheaper parts for bigger prices, there are laptops costing over $1000 that have i5's and integrated GPU's. I've seen computers that sell for $2000 that include the same hardware on PS4 (albeit with a much better CPU). Futureshop and bestbuy make big money like this, your average consumer doesn't buy an ibuypower rig for best performance for a lower price.

So far, the consoles are selling a ton, PS4 pre-order sales ALONE are over 1 million, that's not even launch day and first year. I can imagine Xbox One will get there too. In the first year, the consoles will have sold more than the 5 million PC users with better specs. 

XVision84

You confuse one thing. Average PC gamer doesn´t need to game above 1080p with mods and everything maxed out in order to game better than on consoles. He just needs to game above 720p with settings average or above average. Done. 

I know that not all PC gamers can built their own PCs. That´s why there are pre-builts. And not every PC gamer goes to wallmart to buy their PC. Many are quite acquanted with other manufacturers who does build gaming PC.

And no, next gen consoles won´t sell more than 3M at launch.

x360 sold only 1m by year's end.

And ps 3 had quite poor sales at launch.

If we even amke a few adjustments for next gen, I don´t see neither of consoles selling more than 3M day one.

I didn't say 3 million day one, I said over 3 million in combined sales year one which is very much doable. Also, I thought we were comparing PS4/Xbox One to PC's, not PS3/360. In the case of the next gen consoles, PC gamers would definitely need the 1080p with mods and everything maxed out to have the one up against next gen consoles. I also find it hard to believe that most PC sales do not come from futureshop, bestbuy, walmart, or any such retailers. They're the go-to stores for local technology and tech advice, companies like msi or sites like ibuypower are hardly advertised to the common consumer.

So at the end, we have this layout.

5M of PC gamers with High End PC day 1

3M of next gen consolites by the end of the year,

PC wins.

And no, PC doesn´t need the 1080p with mods and everything maxed out in order to compete with consoles.

PC has strong allures besides graphics such as

1) A huge lineup of exclusive this year and the next one

2) Backward compatibility

3) Steam amd Humble Bundle sales

4) Free online

6) Multitasking

7)Most next gen consoles games are free-to-play and indies available on PC

How about that ;)

[QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"] But my console setup is superior to your PC setup, and that bugs you :) Console Gaming > PC Gamingm3Boarder32

really?

I play all my games with "2560x1440, 60fps, max settings, k/m(or any other control schemes), mods, etc" and you with "1280x720(or sub HD) 20-30fps, low settings, controller, no mods, etc".

not sure how audio/Monitor/HDTV setup is exclusive to a system(consoles or pc), but lets play with your trolling, I will never use any 1080p Plasma HDTV it just doesn't look as good as my dell 2560x1440.

[QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"] I play mine on a 4k dollar audio setup and the best HDTV on the market with superior contrast, superior color saturation, and superior motion resolution than your IPS display. I also have a 2560x1440 Apple Monitor, my Plasma is superior by milesm3Boarder32

Everybody can buy that. It´s not exclusive to Console Gaming :|

My gtx780 beats your gtx670 :P

I don't think anyone's ever tried to argue in quantitative numbers when talking about PC gamers. Hermits don't gloat that there is a massive amount of people with superior hardware than consoles, they gloat that THEY have better hardware than consoles now, and than the consoles that will come out come next generation. And that is a fact: you could tell me that 99% of the PC gamers have hardware worse than a Dreamcast, that still wouldn't change the fact that my desktop computer is better than current generation consoles, will continue to be better than next-generation consoles and will therefor be able to run better games and the better version of games released on both platforms.

There's also the fact that high-end PCs have been bottlenecked by console hardware for nearly half a decade, now, what with a great majority of AAA games being developed for console hardware, and only marginally improved for computers. To put it in an analogy: PC gamers are adults, and console gamers are children. Since children can't drive cars, everyone gets bicycles :lol:.

[QUOTE="XVision84"]

[QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]

You confuse one thing. Average PC gamer doesn´t need to game above 1080p with mods and everything maxed out in order to game better than on consoles. He just needs to game above 720p with settings average or above average. Done. 

I know that not all PC gamers can built their own PCs. That´s why there are pre-builts. And not every PC gamer goes to wallmart to buy their PC. Many are quite acquanted with other manufacturers who does build gaming PC.

And no, next gen consoles won´t sell more than 3M at launch.

x360 sold only 1m by year's end.

And ps 3 had quite poor sales at launch.

If we even amke a few adjustments for next gen, I don´t see neither of consoles selling more than 3M day one.

jhonMalcovich

I didn't say 3 million day one, I said over 3 million in combined sales year one which is very much doable. Also, I thought we were comparing PS4/Xbox One to PC's, not PS3/360. In the case of the next gen consoles, PC gamers would definitely need the 1080p with mods and everything maxed out to have the one up against next gen consoles. I also find it hard to believe that most PC sales do not come from futureshop, bestbuy, walmart, or any such retailers. They're the go-to stores for local technology and tech advice, companies like msi or sites like ibuypower are hardly advertised to the common consumer.

So at the end, we have this layout.

5M of PC gamers with High End PC day 1

3M of next gen consolites by the end of the year,

PC wins.

And no, PC doesn´t need the 1080p with mods and everything maxed out in order to compete with consoles.

PC has strong allures besides graphics such as

1) A huge lineup of exclusive this year and the next one

2) Backward compatibility

3) Steam amd Humble Bundle sales

4) Free online

6) Multitasking

7)Most next gen consoles games are free-to-play and indies available on PC

How about that ;)

[QUOTE="Krelian-co"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"] I still don't quite get why you keep convincing yourselves that we're jealous. If we were, wouldn't we just switch?lowe0

not really, i doubt most basement dwellers that are in this forum can afford gaming pcs and keep them updated

Just got Outlast, one of the first games designed specifically around PC and next gen hardware....and it runs like **** butter on my 560ti! Silky smooth 60fps with all settings cranked up (although I am gonna force FXAA in the Nvidia control panel as the AA isn't optimal in the game). 

ROFL, goes to sleep, wake up, 200 more posts :lol:

Guaranteed almost none of them saw the "for the lulz" I put in the OP :lol:

 dat hermit damage control :cool:

NEW SHIRTS FOR ALL TEH PC GAMERS WITH SUPER RIGS!!!

:P

[QUOTE="XVision84"]

[QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]

You confuse one thing. Average PC gamer doesn´t need to game above 1080p with mods and everything maxed out in order to game better than on consoles. He just needs to game above 720p with settings average or above average. Done. 

I know that not all PC gamers can built their own PCs. That´s why there are pre-builts. And not every PC gamer goes to wallmart to buy their PC. Many are quite acquanted with other manufacturers who does build gaming PC.

And no, next gen consoles won´t sell more than 3M at launch.

x360 sold only 1m by year's end.

And ps 3 had quite poor sales at launch.

If we even amke a few adjustments for next gen, I don´t see neither of consoles selling more than 3M day one.

jhonMalcovich

I didn't say 3 million day one, I said over 3 million in combined sales year one which is very much doable. Also, I thought we were comparing PS4/Xbox One to PC's, not PS3/360. In the case of the next gen consoles, PC gamers would definitely need the 1080p with mods and everything maxed out to have the one up against next gen consoles. I also find it hard to believe that most PC sales do not come from futureshop, bestbuy, walmart, or any such retailers. They're the go-to stores for local technology and tech advice, companies like msi or sites like ibuypower are hardly advertised to the common consumer.

So at the end, we have this layout.

5M of PC gamers with High End PC day 1

3M of next gen consolites by the end of the year,

PC wins.

And no, PC doesn´t need the 1080p with mods and everything maxed out in order to compete with consoles.

PC has strong allures besides graphics such as

1) A huge lineup of exclusive this year and the next one

2) Backward compatibility

3) Steam amd Humble Bundle sales

4) Free online

6) Multitasking

7)Most next gen consoles games are free-to-play and indies available on PC

How about that ;)

I'm sure the PS4 and Xbox One will have over 5 million sales combined over the first year, and if not then the sales will keep on increasing at a really fast rate. Either way, for the first 2 or 3 years the next gen consoles will be in line with most of the higher end PC gaming community (with the exception of people with very high end rigs). 

And I don't know why you brought the list up, we're not arguing which one is superior, I'm talking about graphics lol.

[QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]

[QUOTE="XVision84"]

I didn't say 3 million day one, I said over 3 million in combined sales year one which is very much doable. Also, I thought we were comparing PS4/Xbox One to PC's, not PS3/360. In the case of the next gen consoles, PC gamers would definitely need the 1080p with mods and everything maxed out to have the one up against next gen consoles. I also find it hard to believe that most PC sales do not come from futureshop, bestbuy, walmart, or any such retailers. They're the go-to stores for local technology and tech advice, companies like msi or sites like ibuypower are hardly advertised to the common consumer.

XVision84

So at the end, we have this layout.

5M of PC gamers with High End PC day 1

3M of next gen consolites by the end of the year,

PC wins.

And no, PC doesn´t need the 1080p with mods and everything maxed out in order to compete with consoles.

PC has strong allures besides graphics such as

1) A huge lineup of exclusive this year and the next one

2) Backward compatibility

3) Steam amd Humble Bundle sales

4) Free online

6) Multitasking

7)Most next gen consoles games are free-to-play and indies available on PC

How about that ;)

I'm sure the PS4 and Xbox One will have over 5 million sales combined over the first year, and if not then the sales will keep on increasing at a really fast rate. Either way, for the first 2 or 3 years the next gen consoles will be in line with most of the higher end PC gaming community (with the exception of people with very high end rigs). 

And I don't know why you brought the list up, we're not arguing which one is superior, I'm talking about graphics lol.

I don't think you know what higher end PC gaming is :P. It's certainly not going to be achieved in a USD500 - 600 box of hardware, subsidized or not.

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="Krelian-co"]

not really, i doubt most basement dwellers that are in this forum can afford gaming pcs and keep them updated

Spartan070

 

Bascially this is a pathetic attempt to troll PC users. 

Wasdie

No it's actually a very successful attempt to rile some feathers, just woke up and the 47% are still up in angst :lol:

[QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]

[QUOTE="XVision84"]

I didn't say 3 million day one, I said over 3 million in combined sales year one which is very much doable. Also, I thought we were comparing PS4/Xbox One to PC's, not PS3/360. In the case of the next gen consoles, PC gamers would definitely need the 1080p with mods and everything maxed out to have the one up against next gen consoles. I also find it hard to believe that most PC sales do not come from futureshop, bestbuy, walmart, or any such retailers. They're the go-to stores for local technology and tech advice, companies like msi or sites like ibuypower are hardly advertised to the common consumer.

XVision84

So at the end, we have this layout.

5M of PC gamers with High End PC day 1

3M of next gen consolites by the end of the year,

PC wins.

And no, PC doesn´t need the 1080p with mods and everything maxed out in order to compete with consoles.

PC has strong allures besides graphics such as

1) A huge lineup of exclusive this year and the next one

2) Backward compatibility

3) Steam amd Humble Bundle sales

4) Free online

6) Multitasking

7)Most next gen consoles games are free-to-play and indies available on PC

How about that ;)

I'm sure the PS4 and Xbox One will have over 5 million sales combined over the first year, and if not then the sales will keep on increasing at a really fast rate. Either way, for the first 2 or 3 years the next gen consoles will be in line with most of the higher end PC gaming community (with the exception of people with very high end rigs). 

And I don't know why you brought the list up, we're not arguing which one is superior, I'm talking about graphics lol.

Except you missed the point.  0 of those will be better than any high end gaming PC.  

Also it's funny that you have to combine the sales for 2 systems to have a chance.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

 

Bascially this is a pathetic attempt to troll PC users. 

Spartan070

No it's actually a very successful attempt to rile some feathers, just woke up and the 47% are still up in angst :lol:

[QUOTE="XVision84"]

[QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]

So at the end, we have this layout.

5M of PC gamers with High End PC day 1

3M of next gen consolites by the end of the year,

PC wins.

And no, PC doesn´t need the 1080p with mods and everything maxed out in order to compete with consoles.

PC has strong allures besides graphics such as

1) A huge lineup of exclusive this year and the next one

2) Backward compatibility

3) Steam amd Humble Bundle sales

4) Free online

6) Multitasking

7)Most next gen consoles games are free-to-play and indies available on PC

 

How about that ;)

iHarlequin

I'm sure the PS4 and Xbox One will have over 5 million sales combined over the first year, and if not then the sales will keep on increasing at a really fast rate. Either way, for the first 2 or 3 years the next gen consoles will be in line with most of the higher end PC gaming community (with the exception of people with very high end rigs). 

And I don't know why you brought the list up, we're not arguing which one is superior, I'm talking about graphics lol.

I don't think you know what higher end PC gaming is :P. It's certainly not going to be achieved in a USD500 - 600 box of hardware, subsidized or not.

By higher end I don't mean people who have 690's, lol. I mean the PC gamers who have PC's that are on-par or a little bit superior to next gen consoles, they are higher end pc gamers when comparing the other part of the steam community that still have PC's on par with current gen consoles. All I'm saying is that for a good 2 or 3 years, the majority of PC gamers will find a similar (or better) experience on next gen consoles in terms of graphics, after that the consoles will be knocked out of the ball park :P.

The majority of these "PC gamers" don't use "gaming rigs". They bought themselfs a cheap laptop for studies, facebook, porn and so on...Martin_G_N

[QUOTE="Martin_G_N"]The majority of these "PC gamers" don't use "gaming rigs". They bought themselfs a cheap laptop for studies, facebook, porn and so on...Spartan070

[QUOTE="Spartan070"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

 

Bascially this is a pathetic attempt to troll PC users. 

clyde46

No it's actually a very successful attempt to rile some feathers, just woke up and the 47% are still up in angst :lol:

[QUOTE="iHarlequin"]

[QUOTE="XVision84"]

I'm sure the PS4 and Xbox One will have over 5 million sales combined over the first year, and if not then the sales will keep on increasing at a really fast rate. Either way, for the first 2 or 3 years the next gen consoles will be in line with most of the higher end PC gaming community (with the exception of people with very high end rigs). 

And I don't know why you brought the list up, we're not arguing which one is superior, I'm talking about graphics lol.

XVision84

I don't think you know what higher end PC gaming is :P. It's certainly not going to be achieved in a USD500 - 600 box of hardware, subsidized or not.

By higher end I don't mean people who have 690's, lol. I mean the PC gamers who have PC's that are on-par or a little bit superior to next gen consoles, they are higher end pc gamers when comparing the other part of the steam community that still have PC's on par with current gen consoles. All I'm saying is that for a good 2 or 3 years, the majority of PC gamers will find a similar (or better) experience on next gen consoles in terms of graphics, after that the consoles will be knocked out of the ball park :P.

But whey should they spend the amount of money to get a NG console when they could apply that money to their current PC's and have a better experience?  In words they could knock it out of the park right now if they spent the equivalent amount to buying a NG console.

[QUOTE="XVision84"]

[QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]

So at the end, we have this layout.

5M of PC gamers with High End PC day 1

3M of next gen consolites by the end of the year,

PC wins.

And no, PC doesn´t need the 1080p with mods and everything maxed out in order to compete with consoles.

PC has strong allures besides graphics such as

1) A huge lineup of exclusive this year and the next one

2) Backward compatibility

3) Steam amd Humble Bundle sales

4) Free online

6) Multitasking

7)Most next gen consoles games are free-to-play and indies available on PC

 

How about that ;)

menes777

I'm sure the PS4 and Xbox One will have over 5 million sales combined over the first year, and if not then the sales will keep on increasing at a really fast rate. Either way, for the first 2 or 3 years the next gen consoles will be in line with most of the higher end PC gaming community (with the exception of people with very high end rigs). 

And I don't know why you brought the list up, we're not arguing which one is superior, I'm talking about graphics lol.

Except you missed the point.  0 of those will be better than any high end gaming PC.  

Also it's funny that you have to combine the sales for 2 systems to have a chance.

I didn't miss the point, it seems like you missed my point. As the hardware survey has suggested, a large number of people have PC's that aren't as powerful as next gen consoles, and a good number of people have PC's that are on-par with next gen consoles. That makes up the majority of the community. So consoles should deliver a similar experience to the majority of PC gamers at the beginning of next gen.

And yes, I do have to combine the sales of 2 systems to have a chance because these are consoles. PC's aren't only used for gaming, they have so many other uses. Almost everyone has a PC for a million different reasons, and anyone can just install Steam. Consoles are different because they are mostly used for gaming and as such won't sell nearly as much as computers will.

This thread was made today and it's already at 15 pages!? :lol:

 

 

This argument has been done before, and like before, this is all that needs to be said: I could give a shit what other peoples' rigs are like as long as my own rig is up to par. End of story.

cfisher2833

Here you go :lol:

[QUOTE="iHarlequin"]

[QUOTE="XVision84"]

I'm sure the PS4 and Xbox One will have over 5 million sales combined over the first year, and if not then the sales will keep on increasing at a really fast rate. Either way, for the first 2 or 3 years the next gen consoles will be in line with most of the higher end PC gaming community (with the exception of people with very high end rigs). 

And I don't know why you brought the list up, we're not arguing which one is superior, I'm talking about graphics lol.

XVision84

I don't think you know what higher end PC gaming is :P. It's certainly not going to be achieved in a USD500 - 600 box of hardware, subsidized or not.

By higher end I don't mean people who have 690's, lol. I mean the PC gamers who have PC's that are on-par or a little bit superior to next gen consoles, they are higher end pc gamers when comparing the other part of the steam community that still have PC's on par with current gen consoles. All I'm saying is that for a good 2 or 3 years, the majority of PC gamers will find a similar (or better) experience on next gen consoles in terms of graphics, after that the consoles will be knocked out of the ball park :P.

"Speaking of video cards... majority of Steam users are rocking DirectX 11 GPUs. In fact, 64.78% have a DX11 GPU while only 29.4% have a DX10 GPU and only 1.75% have a DX9 GPU. So yeah, majority of Steam users have an equivalent GPU to what's in the Xbox One and PS4. " AKA most PC gamers already have better computers than current generation consoles, not just the higher end. As per the article, which I'm not sure I can agree with on that part, they also have at least equivalent GPUs to the ones in XB1 and PS4.

"Also, sadly, 47.34% of Steam users are only rocking dual-core CPUs with 73.6% favoring Intel and 21.50% maintaining between 2.3 and 2.69ghz processors. This is definitely a step behind the Jaguar architecture in the PS4 and Xbox One. However, at least 44.24% of Steam users are housing quad-core processors in their machines." The dual cores alone are already better than current-generation console CPUs. 44% use quad-core, as opposed to 47% using dual-core. The first percentile tends to decrease while the second increases. Again, already better than current-generation CPUs.

Add to that that most PCs run at true (as in, not upscaled) 1920x1080 resolution, better than current-generation consoles and at the least on-par with next-generation ones. I agree with you, I just think it'll take less time for the majority of the PC gamers to knock consoles out of the ball-park - a year, maybe two.

I honestly don't know why was this thread allowed to reach 18 pages, Valve never issued any official statement, despite the misleading title serving only as flame bait...

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I don't think you know what higher end PC gaming is :P. It's certainly not going to be achieved in a USD500 - 600 box of hardware, subsidized or not.

menes777

By higher end I don't mean people who have 690's, lol. I mean the PC gamers who have PC's that are on-par or a little bit superior to next gen consoles, they are higher end pc gamers when comparing the other part of the steam community that still have PC's on par with current gen consoles. All I'm saying is that for a good 2 or 3 years, the majority of PC gamers will find a similar (or better) experience on next gen consoles in terms of graphics, after that the consoles will be knocked out of the ball park :P.

But whey should they spend the amount of money to get a NG console when they could apply that money to their current PC's and have a better experience?  In words they could knock it out of the park right now if they spent the equivalent amount to buying a NG console.

No, you can't knock it out of the park. A PS4 is $400, if you buy a $200 GPU it will be on-par with the PS4 and that's not even taking into account the 192 Gb/s data rate AND the 8GB of GDDR5 RAM. There are lots of perks for next gen consoles that aren't available for anyone expecting to upgrade their PC and spend under $400 to achieve similar performance. This may differ if you already have a high end PC and are spending the $400 to get a 670, but even then you're not knocking the next gen consoles out of the park. The difference between what the PS4 offers and what a 670 can do won't be very different.

This also brings up my previous argument about the majority of PC gamers buying PC's from walmart, bestbuy, futureshop, etc. who tend to overprice PC's. And that's IF said PC gamer even knows how to replace the parts. Most consumers buy new PC's every 5-10 years rather than upgrade parts.

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No it's actually a very successful attempt to rile some feathers, just woke up and the 47% are still up in angst :lol:

Spartan070

I don't think you've noticed that your complaints are falling on deaf ears here. Most PC gamers I've seen here and on the PC&Mac Games forum already have computers that are well above the average. The advocates of PC gaming are there; not someone who has a shoddy PC but games anyway - he could probably care less about whether PCs are better than consoles or if it's the other way around.

I gifted a game to my brother and girlfriend... they both signed up to play for a few hours, and never signed on again... they both have crap PC's... Im sure they are in the 47%.

Many other stories just like this

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"] But my console setup is superior to your PC setup, and that bugs you :) Console Gaming > PC GamingMK-Professor

really?

I play all my games with "2560x1440, 60fps, max settings, k/m(or any other control schemes), mods, etc" and you with "1280x720(or sub HD) 20-30fps, low settings, controller, no mods, etc".

dat need for self-validation :lol: