VALVE says most PC gamers' rigs can't touch next gen consoles, OH NO!

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"][QUOTE="AmazonTreeBoa"]Threads like this crack me up. How does most PC gamers having weaker specs have any effect on me and my specs? I couldn't care less what other PC gamers are gaming on.Lumpy311

Yes, i love your plasma, it ups the resolution, graphics and everything!

God m3boarder, you are a joke.

This article confirms only 2 things:

A) Most Steam gamers have better PCs than current gen consoles.

B) Some of Steam gamers already have PCs that beat next gen consoles.

What we all already knew.

[QUOTE="XVision84"]

[QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]

But nobody has a next gen console yet. Doh.

jhonMalcovich

Yeah, they're not out yet.

But comparing power, most PC gamers will find that games on next gen consoles look better.

No, if they upgrade. Or do you think that every PC gamer will stay with their 5 year old PC forever and ever ? According to Steam stats, there are already some 5M gamers who own PCs that beat next gen consoles hardware. While next gen consoles will barely sell 3M units al launch. In the end, there will be more Pc gamers with high end PC than next gen consolites at the start of next gen. 

Do you really think that the majority of PC gamers know how to open up their PC and switch the parts around? People on laptops and most people just having general purpose PC's will not upgrade their PC parts because they don't need to and they don't even know how to. They can buy a new PC, but not every person gaming on PC plays games at resolutions above 1080p with mods and everything maxed out. When people go to buy computers, they go to best buy or futureshop, and they do NOT sell 670's there. They sell cheaper parts for bigger prices, there are laptops costing over $1000 that have i5's and integrated GPU's. I've seen computers that sell for $2000 that include the same hardware on PS4 (albeit with a much better CPU). Futureshop and bestbuy make big money like this, your average consumer doesn't buy an ibuypower rig for best performance for a lower price.

So far, the consoles are selling a ton, PS4 pre-order sales ALONE are over 1 million, that's not even launch day and first year. I can imagine Xbox One will get there too. In the first year, the consoles will have sold more than the 5 million PC users with better specs. 

Yeah because with this past generation being so long and the Xbox 360 and PS3 holding the bottom line for years, there hasn't been a mandatory reason to upgrade from what gets the job done.ShadowDeathX

exactly

Threads like this crack me up. How does most PC gamers having weaker specs have any effect on me and my specs? I couldn't care less what other PC gamers are gaming on.AmazonTreeBoa

It does affect you because the developers who make games will focus on the lowest common denominator. I know there will be games like Crysis or The Witcher that will aim to push PC power forward, but the majority of games that release for PC or as multiplatform games will have to cater to the audience that have PC's on-par with last generation hardware. If everyone had a PC that was stronger than the PS4/Xbox One then we'd have much better looking PC games, but that's not how it works. Of course, there will always be mods to boost the graphics and performance and that's great, but not every game supports that and mods generally aren't as efficient in terms of power or performance. Obviously, if you have a PC that's more powerful than the next gen consoles then your games will look better for sure, but that's not to say that you aren't being held back by the consoles and fellow PC gamers with lower specs.

[QUOTE="AmazonTreeBoa"]Threads like this crack me up. How does most PC gamers having weaker specs have any effect on me and my specs? I couldn't care less what other PC gamers are gaming on.m3Boarder32

Activate: Flameshield +4

 

"Valve released a new survey for August detailing who is using what and how much. While a lot of the numbers aren't very surprising, the majority of the 50 million or so users of Steam seem to be slightly underpowered compared to what the next-gen consoles will be packing. Thus, the PC Master Race has shed a tear."

Obviously high-end PCs can annihilate next-gen consoles without even unsheathing their swords.  I know the usual hermit defense team will tear this a new one but I had to, for the lulz...

:P

Spartan070

PC gamers with High-End rigs is such a small percenetage of the overall PC gaming community that they can be considered irrelevant. Devs will not make a game that only high end hardware could run, so all your $2000+ builds won't ever show their true potential. 

This article confirms only 2 things:

A) Most Steam gamers have better PCs than current gen consoles.

B) Some of Steam gamers already have PCs that beat next gen consoles.

What we all already knew.

jhonMalcovich

What is the take-away for me, whose PC already obliterates next-gen consoles?

....

I guess this affirms what I already knew; a lot of people have Steam installed.

Cool.

So Valve didn't actually say anything?

[QUOTE="Lumpy311"]

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"] True. But my console setup is wayyy better than your PC setup. So Consoles > PCm3Boarder32

Yes, i love your plasma, it ups the resolution, graphics and everything!

God m3boarder, you are a joke.

[QUOTE="Lumpy311"]

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"] True. But my console setup is wayyy better than your PC setup. So Consoles > PCm3Boarder32

Yes, i love your plasma, it ups the resolution, graphics and everything!

God m3boarder, you are a joke.

OMG talking about your TV again???  Can't you talk about anything else?

High-End PC rigs are such a small percenetage of the overall PC gamers that they can be considered relevant. Devs will not make a game that only high end hardware could run, so all your $2000+ builds won't ever show their true potential. 

emgesp

Better contrast, better color saturation, better motion resoltion, bigger screen, more comfortable seating space, better audio. Yep no doubt about it, my console setup is vastly superior than your PC setup toom3Boarder32

Do you even have a gaming PC? Probably, you've no idea what you're talking about.

All these settings can be adjusted on a PC System better then on a TV. Because of the extended graphics driver configurations and the corresponding display setup. Besides, your consoles does not run even on 1080p (they're just upscaling), so this is totally trash talking coming out from you.

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"][QUOTE="Lumpy311"]

Yes, i love your plasma, it ups the resolution, graphics and everything!

 

God m3boarder, you are a joke.

AmazonTreeBoa

He even had to switch to an alt account because his other user was owned so badly.

[QUOTE="AmazonTreeBoa"]Threads like this crack me up. How does most PC gamers having weaker specs have any effect on me and my specs? I couldn't care less what other PC gamers are gaming on.XVision84

It does affect you because the developers who make games will focus on the lowest common denominator.

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"][QUOTE="Lumpy311"]

Yes, i love your plasma, it ups the resolution, graphics and everything!

 

God m3boarder, you are a joke.

AmazonTreeBoa

[QUOTE="AmazonTreeBoa"][QUOTE="m3Boarder32"] Better contrast, better color saturation, better motion resoltion, bigger screen, more comfortable seating space, better audio. Yep no doubt about it, my console setup is vastly superior than your PC setup toomenes777

He even had to switch to an alt account because his other user was owned so badly.

[QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]

[QUOTE="XVision84"]

Yeah, they're not out yet.

But comparing power, most PC gamers will find that games on next gen consoles look better.

XVision84

No, if they upgrade. Or do you think that every PC gamer will stay with their 5 year old PC forever and ever ? According to Steam stats, there are already some 5M gamers who own PCs that beat next gen consoles hardware. While next gen consoles will barely sell 3M units al launch. In the end, there will be more Pc gamers with high end PC than next gen consolites at the start of next gen. 

Do you really think that the majority of PC gamers know how to open up their PC and switch the parts around? People on laptops and most people just having general purpose PC's will not upgrade their PC parts because they don't need to and they don't even know how to. They can buy a new PC, but not every person gaming on PC plays games at resolutions above 1080p with mods and everything maxed out. When people go to buy computers, they go to best buy or futureshop, and they do NOT sell 670's there. They sell cheaper parts for bigger prices, there are laptops costing over $1000 that have i5's and integrated GPU's. I've seen computers that sell for $2000 that include the same hardware on PS4 (albeit with a much better CPU). Futureshop and bestbuy make big money like this, your average consumer doesn't buy an ibuypower rig for best performance for a lower price.

So far, the consoles are selling a ton, PS4 pre-order sales ALONE are over 1 million, that's not even launch day and first year. I can imagine Xbox One will get there too. In the first year, the consoles will have sold more than the 5 million PC users with better specs. 

You confuse one thing. Average PC gamer doesn´t need to game above 1080p with mods and everything maxed out in order to game better than on consoles. He just needs to game above 720p with settings average or above average. Done. 

I know that not all PC gamers can built their own PCs. That´s why there are pre-builts. And not every PC gamer goes to wallmart to buy their PC. Many are quite acquanted with other manufacturers who does build gaming PC.

And no, next gen consoles won´t sell more than 3M at launch.

x360 sold only 1m by year's end.

And ps 3 had quite poor sales at launch.

If we even amke a few adjustments for next gen, I don´t see neither of consoles selling more than 3M day one.

[QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]

This article confirms only 2 things:

A) Most Steam gamers have better PCs than current gen consoles.

B) Some of Steam gamers already have PCs that beat next gen consoles.

What we all already knew.

m3Boarder32

Adn that most Pc gamers will have better PCs than next gen consoles just in 1-2 years after the start of next gen we had already known too.

And there will be more PC gamers with high end PCs than next gen consolites at the start of next gen. Here you have something to think about ;)

[QUOTE="menes777"]

[QUOTE="AmazonTreeBoa"]Yers because I can't hook my PC to all that. :roll: And I can't sit on my couch and play either. :roll: Do you even bother thinking before posting or is it your goal to look stupid? If so, you have greatly succeeded.m3Boarder32

He even had to switch to an alt account because his other user was owned so badly.

Sorry you busted yourself in another thread, it's too late to undo that damage.

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"][QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]

This article confirms only 2 things:

A) Most Steam gamers have better PCs than current gen consoles.

B) Some of Steam gamers already have PCs that beat next gen consoles.

What we all already knew.

jhonMalcovich

Adn that most Pc gamers will have better PCs than next gen consoles just in 1-2 years after the start of next gen we had already known too.

Considering that some do already it's only going to short amount of time before even the cheap components are several times better than consoles.

A new thread a new rendition of Gio being slapped by dozens of posters :cool:

Shit I ddin't even have to man handle him this time.

And I don't mean gay man handling. 

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"]Better contrast, better color saturation, better motion resoltion, bigger screen, more comfortable seating space, better audio. Yep no doubt about it, my console setup is vastly superior than your PC setup tooTransvormerSCol

Do you even have a gaming PC? Probably, you've no idea what you're talking about.

All these settings can be adjusted on a PC System better then on a TV. Because of the extended graphics driver configurations and the corresponding display setup. Besides, your consoles does not run even on 1080p (they're just upscaling), so this is totally trash talking coming out from you.

[QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"] And that most PC gamers have weaker PC's than next gen consoles. Also something we already knew howevermenes777

Adn that most Pc gamers will have better PCs than next gen consoles just in 1-2 years after the start of next gen we had already known too.

Considering that some do already it's only going to short amount of time before even the cheap components are several times better than consoles.

[QUOTE="TransvormerSCol"]

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"]Better contrast, better color saturation, better motion resoltion, bigger screen, more comfortable seating space, better audio. Yep no doubt about it, my console setup is vastly superior than your PC setup toom3Boarder32

Do you even have a gaming PC? Probably, you've no idea what you're talking about.

All these settings can be adjusted on a PC System better then on a TV. Because of the extended graphics driver configurations and the corresponding display setup. Besides, your consoles does not run even on 1080p (they're just upscaling), so this is totally trash talking coming out from you.

uh, If I don't care about what most PC gamers have, why am I going to care about what you have?

[QUOTE="menes777"]

[QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]

Adn that most Pc gamers will have better PCs than next gen consoles just in 1-2 years after the start of next gen we had already known too.

m3Boarder32

Considering that some do already it's only going to short amount of time before even the cheap components are several times better than consoles.

it seems you have never actually proven your set up is superior, or who/what it is superior to

[QUOTE="AmazonTreeBoa"]Threads like this crack me up. How does most PC gamers having weaker specs have any effect on me and my specs? I couldn't care less what other PC gamers are gaming on.XVision84

It does affect you because the developers who make games will focus on the lowest common denominator. I know there will be games like Crysis or The Witcher that will aim to push PC power forward, but the majority of games that release for PC or as multiplatform games will have to cater to the audience that have PC's on-par with last generation hardware. If everyone had a PC that was stronger than the PS4/Xbox One then we'd have much better looking PC games, but that's not how it works. Of course, there will always be mods to boost the graphics and performance and that's great, but not every game supports that and mods generally aren't as efficient in terms of power or performance. Obviously, if you have a PC that's more powerful than the next gen consoles then your games will look better for sure, but that's not to say that you aren't being held back by the consoles and fellow PC gamers with lower specs.

Currently there are about 10 million PC gamers with equivalent or better PC than next gen consoles, and none console gamers have next gen consoles.

10 million > 0 :cool:

and by the time console gamers with next gen consoles reach 10 million(in a year), PC gamers with equivalent or better PC will be 20 million.

I thought this was common knowledge? Just look at steam's hardware survery. Fortunately there are alot of games for lower spec pcs. This is why going mid range is almost always the best option. The gains from high end aren't worth the price.

Carlos thinks his TV is changing reviews that all say the PC version is superior.

[QUOTE="menes777"]

[QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]

Adn that most Pc gamers will have better PCs than next gen consoles just in 1-2 years after the start of next gen we had already known too.

m3Boarder32

Considering that some do already it's only going to short amount of time before even the cheap components are several times better than consoles.

It doesn´t make any bloody sense what you just said.

So Valve didn't actually say anything?

lostrib

Exactamundo, the article is based on a survey that was voluntary.  So it's not very accurate and Valve made no claim one way or the other.  All that tell us is that the of the people who took the survey a percentage answered a certain way.  It's not an indication of true numbers (which would require 100% participation) and it's not a complete sampling of all PC gamers since not every gamer uses Steam.

[QUOTE="menes777"]

[QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]

Adn that most Pc gamers will have better PCs than next gen consoles just in 1-2 years after the start of next gen we had already known too.

m3Boarder32

Considering that some do already it's only going to short amount of time before even the cheap components are several times better than consoles.

[QUOTE="menes777"]

[QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]

Adn that most Pc gamers will have better PCs than next gen consoles just in 1-2 years after the start of next gen we had already known too.

m3Boarder32

Considering that some do already it's only going to short amount of time before even the cheap components are several times better than consoles.

And gfx/performance will still be better on PC :)

[QUOTE="XVision84"]

[QUOTE="AmazonTreeBoa"]Threads like this crack me up. How does most PC gamers having weaker specs have any effect on me and my specs? I couldn't care less what other PC gamers are gaming on.AmazonTreeBoa

It does affect you because the developers who make games will focus on the lowest common denominator.

I know they make it scalable, but there are plenty of features that are missing from games because it has to cater to people with lower end PC's. It would be much simpler if they could stack their engines with killer features and only have to worry about delivering the best possible experience for people with high end PC's rather than worry about those that lack them.

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"][QUOTE="TransvormerSCol"]

Do you even have a gaming PC? Probably, you've no idea what you're talking about.

All these settings can be adjusted on a PC System better then on a TV. Because of the extended graphics driver configurations and the corresponding display setup. Besides, your consoles does not run even on 1080p (they're just upscaling), so this is totally trash talking coming out from you.

lostrib

uh, If I don't care about what most PC gamers have, why am I going to care about what you have?

Is that Joker m3boarder going on about his shitty TV again? Jesus christ, let's ignore him this thread, seriously.

[QUOTE="XVision84"]

[QUOTE="AmazonTreeBoa"]Threads like this crack me up. How does most PC gamers having weaker specs have any effect on me and my specs? I couldn't care less what other PC gamers are gaming on.MK-Professor

It does affect you because the developers who make games will focus on the lowest common denominator. I know there will be games like Crysis or The Witcher that will aim to push PC power forward, but the majority of games that release for PC or as multiplatform games will have to cater to the audience that have PC's on-par with last generation hardware. If everyone had a PC that was stronger than the PS4/Xbox One then we'd have much better looking PC games, but that's not how it works. Of course, there will always be mods to boost the graphics and performance and that's great, but not every game supports that and mods generally aren't as efficient in terms of power or performance. Obviously, if you have a PC that's more powerful than the next gen consoles then your games will look better for sure, but that's not to say that you aren't being held back by the consoles and fellow PC gamers with lower specs.

Currently there are about 10 million PC gamers with equivalent or better PC than next gen consoles, and none console gamers have next gen consoles.

10 million > 0 :cool:

and by the time console gamers with next gen consoles reach 10 million(in a year), PC gamers with equivalent or better PC will be 20 million.

[QUOTE="XVision84"]

[QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]

No, if they upgrade. Or do you think that every PC gamer will stay with their 5 year old PC forever and ever ? According to Steam stats, there are already some 5M gamers who own PCs that beat next gen consoles hardware. While next gen consoles will barely sell 3M units al launch. In the end, there will be more Pc gamers with high end PC than next gen consolites at the start of next gen. 

jhonMalcovich

Do you really think that the majority of PC gamers know how to open up their PC and switch the parts around? People on laptops and most people just having general purpose PC's will not upgrade their PC parts because they don't need to and they don't even know how to. They can buy a new PC, but not every person gaming on PC plays games at resolutions above 1080p with mods and everything maxed out. When people go to buy computers, they go to best buy or futureshop, and they do NOT sell 670's there. They sell cheaper parts for bigger prices, there are laptops costing over $1000 that have i5's and integrated GPU's. I've seen computers that sell for $2000 that include the same hardware on PS4 (albeit with a much better CPU). Futureshop and bestbuy make big money like this, your average consumer doesn't buy an ibuypower rig for best performance for a lower price.

So far, the consoles are selling a ton, PS4 pre-order sales ALONE are over 1 million, that's not even launch day and first year. I can imagine Xbox One will get there too. In the first year, the consoles will have sold more than the 5 million PC users with better specs. 

You confuse one thing. Average PC gamer doesn´t need to game above 1080p with mods and everything maxed out in order to game better than on consoles. He just needs to game above 720p with settings average or above average. Done. 

I know that not all PC gamers can built their own PCs. That´s why there are pre-builts. And not every PC gamer goes to wallmart to buy their PC. Many are quite acquanted with other manufacturers who does build gaming PC.

And no, next gen consoles won´t sell more than 3M at launch.

x360 sold only 1m by year's end.

And ps 3 had quite poor sales at launch.

If we even amke a few adjustments for next gen, I don´t see neither of consoles selling more than 3M day one.

I didn't say 3 million day one, I said over 3 million in combined sales year one which is very much doable. Also, I thought we were comparing PS4/Xbox One to PC's, not PS3/360. In the case of the next gen consoles, PC gamers would definitely need the 1080p with mods and everything maxed out to have the one up against next gen consoles. I also find it hard to believe that most PC sales do not come from futureshop, bestbuy, walmart, or any such retailers. They're the go-to stores for local technology and tech advice, companies like msi or sites like ibuypower are hardly advertised to the common consumer.

So guys, since this thread has already been made useless by educated people do you think it should be locked to prevent certain idiots and their TVs from annoying everyone?

[QUOTE="TransvormerSCol"]

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"]Better contrast, better color saturation, better motion resoltion, bigger screen, more comfortable seating space, better audio. Yep no doubt about it, my console setup is vastly superior than your PC setup toom3Boarder32

Do you even have a gaming PC? Probably, you've no idea what you're talking about.

All these settings can be adjusted on a PC System better then on a TV. Because of the extended graphics driver configurations and the corresponding display setup. Besides, your consoles does not run even on 1080p (they're just upscaling), so this is totally trash talking coming out from you.

This thread was made today and it's already at 15 pages!? :lol:

This argument has been done before, and like before, this is all that needs to be said: I could give a shit what other peoples' rigs are like as long as my own rig is up to par. End of story.

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"] Lol you hermits are arguing "I don't care about what most PC gamers have, I have a better PC than that and that's all that matters" Well in throwing that right back at you. I have the 2013 King of HDTV's according to a shootout I which a Sony 4K TV also competed in. Amazing contrast, amazing color saturation, perfect motion resolution. I have a 360, a PS3, a Wii U, and a Wii, I have 16 controllers. I have a 4k Dollar Audio system with a Puoneer Elite Receiver and speakers from World Renowed company Dynaudio. So yah my console setup is vastly superior to your PC setup. To answer ur other question, I have a PC with a watercooled i7 3770 @4.4 Ghz and a GTX 670.m3Boarder32

uh, If I don't care about what most PC gamers have, why am I going to care about what you have?

Since when 512 of Ram and 256 of VRAM are superior to Dualcores and Quadcores, 2+GB of RAM and 1+GB of GPU :P 

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"] Lol you hermits are arguing "I don't care about what most PC gamers have, I have a better PC than that and that's all that matters" Well in throwing that right back at you. I have the 2013 King of HDTV's according to a shootout I which a Sony 4K TV also competed in. Amazing contrast, amazing color saturation, perfect motion resolution. I have a 360, a PS3, a Wii U, and a Wii, I have 16 controllers. I have a 4k Dollar Audio system with a Puoneer Elite Receiver and speakers from World Renowed company Dynaudio. So yah my console setup is vastly superior to your PC setup. To answer ur other question, I have a PC with a watercooled i7 3770 @4.4 Ghz and a GTX 670.m3Boarder32

uh, If I don't care about what most PC gamers have, why am I going to care about what you have?

Superior in what way? and can you prove it

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"][QUOTE="lostrib"]

uh, If I don't care about what most PC gamers have, why am I going to care about what you have?

jhonMalcovich

Since when 512 of Ram and 256 of VRAM are superior to Dualcores+ and 2GB+ of RAM and 1+GB of GPU :P 

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"][QUOTE="lostrib"]

uh, If I don't care about what most PC gamers have, why am I going to care about what you have?

lostrib

Superior in what way? and can you prove it