Valve: We'r aiming at cross platform play for counter strike

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#51 KC_Hokie
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[QUOTE="AndersK"]

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]So then why assume it would be taken out for the console version?

i5750at4Ghz

Not trying to sound elitist, but really bit would be horribly on a controller. Imagine playing your fighting game of choice with the wiimote, and that comparison wouldnt be far off.

I played CS on the xbox and it wasn't horrible, just different.

I did too. I thought it was fun. They obviously didn't spend much time porting it though. It could work well if they spend more time working on it.
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#52 AndersK
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[QUOTE="AndersK"]

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]So then why assume it would be taken out for the console version?

i5750at4Ghz

Not trying to sound elitist, but really bit would be horribly on a controller. Imagine playing your fighting game of choice with the wiimote, and that comparison wouldnt be far off.

I played CS on the xbox and it wasn't horrible, just different.

I tried it aswell. It was god awful. I cant explain it.

I guess if you never played CS with a mouse to begin with you wouldnt care or know better, but if you have...

edit: not implying you havent, just in general

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#53 edidili
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That's bullcrap. Cs is not cod where you aim at the general direction to kill someone. Cs relies on headshots, accuracy and precision. No way in hell you can pull it off, unless you ruin the game and turn it into something else entirely. There is a reason why Cs is still the most played game on steam, it's a proper PC shooter, designed for kb/m.

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#54 Bruin1986
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Classic example of trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. PC and console gamers CANNOT compete with each other, no matter how much you want it to happen to increase profits. KB/M users will utterly massacre controller users unless you implement some absurd auto-aim which destroys any sense of competition. I just pray Valve doesn't destroy CS searching for more profits...

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#55 Randoggy
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[QUOTE="Randoggy"][QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Unless the PS3 people are using a mouse and a keyboard, they will be destroyed.

That said, I want to see Xbox 360 vs. PS3. That would be awesome.

finalstar2007

That would be fun. I could finally put a stop to such ridiculous comments like "360 has better players than Ps3 because we have to pay".

oh my god people say that? :lol:.. paying makes you a better player at FPS? :P.. very funny. this why FPS's need to go out of the box and finally be universal between systems. make them cross platform!

I have a number of 360 only friends that swear by that. Even though the last time we all got together I kicked their asses lol.
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#56 Heil68
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That would be awesome. Hope PC gamers can play against console players.
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#57 Chico_L
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Classic example of trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. PC and console gamers CANNOT compete with each other, no matter how much you want it to happen to increase profits. KB/M users will utterly massacre controller users unless you implement some absurd auto-aim which destroys any sense of competition. I just pray Valve doesn't destroy CS searching for more profits...

Bruin1986
Ps3 can support MKB.... What makes you think they will allow auto-aim on consoles? The only shooter i know that has auto-aim on ps3 is COD. (Not sure if killzone had it)
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#58 HaloinventedFPS
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is Gabe doing this for a joke?

PC users will destroy PS3 gamers, Valve should know that aswell, better chuck in alot of autoaim

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#59 chapnzaba
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Better support keyboard + mouse on console then, or they will have a big handicap. Also, this may be a controversial statement, but if it includes 360 I'm not looking forward to the Live community playing ._. Yes, I mean 12 year olds that are xXxX1337ScOpeZxXxX.
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#60 Bruin1986
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[QUOTE="Bruin1986"]

Classic example of trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. PC and console gamers CANNOT compete with each other, no matter how much you want it to happen to increase profits. KB/M users will utterly massacre controller users unless you implement some absurd auto-aim which destroys any sense of competition. I just pray Valve doesn't destroy CS searching for more profits...

Chico_L
Ps3 can support MKB.... What makes you think they will allow auto-aim on consoles? The only shooter i know that has auto-aim on ps3 is COD. (Not sure if killzone had it)

...maybe I'm mistaken, but didn't Sony state they didn't want KB/M on their games because it would give a massive advantage to some PS3 users over others? You can't have people using KB/M and controllers in the same matches and hope to maintain any semblance of competition.
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#61 Grawse
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I get slaughtered with mouse and keyboard, can only imagine console players with their sluggish analog sticks.

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#62 ChubbyGuy40
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Can't wait to own all the console n00bs who play with their petty little control device.

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#63 Chico_L
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Solution: If you want to play on PC servers you need mouse and keyboard If you want to play on console servers you need gamepad. [x] Solved
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#64 Randoggy
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[QUOTE="Chico_L"]Solution: If you want to play on PC servers you need mouse and keyboard If you want to play on console servers you need gamepad. [x] Solved

That was hard.
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#65 edidili
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Solution: If you want to play on PC servers you need mouse and keyboard If you want to play on console servers you need gamepad. [x] SolvedChico_L

We all know nobody's going to bother with kb/m on consoles. I know I won't. Is not really comfortable using kb/m if you're not in a desk and if you're in one you might as well use your PC.

And how can you stop PC players from entering those gamepad servers with some hacked crap that allows kb/m? There isn't only one type of gamepad for PC so you can't really control all those. Plus why would a PC gamer even want to play CS with a gamepad anyway. That's not CS anymore, it loses its charm.

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#66 DragonfireXZ95
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Oh hell yeah, I can't wait to annihilate some PC scrubs. No keyboard/mouse can save you from my beast-blood! :Denterawesome
Maybe if you're using a keyboard and mouse yourself...
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#67 DragonfireXZ95
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[QUOTE="chapnzaba"]Better support keyboard + mouse on console then, or they will have a big handicap. Also, this may be a controversial statement, but if it includes 360 I'm not looking forward to the Live community playing ._. Yes, I mean 12 year olds that are xXxX1337ScOpeZxXxX.

Most of those people most likely will stick to CoD, because CS would be much too hard for them considering it's a team game more than a solo game.
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It's a nice thought but the skill gap in CS is already massive. Poor console players would literally stand no chance against a straff hopping keyboard and mouse player who can blow your entire team away in a pistol magazine. Then again considering how poorly the last CS on console was why bother.
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#69 Vaasman
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Mega consolized version of counterstrike confirmed.

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#70 Puckhog04
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Sounds good to me. I wouldn't mind at all playing PC players on my PS3 copy. The more the merrier.

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#71 Crazyguy105
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Why would Valve want to do this? They have to see it would be such a bad move.

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#72 AndersK
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Why would Valve want to do this? They have to see it would be such a bad move.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHZVGOAYklg

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#73 Ace6301
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Why would Valve want to do this? They have to see it would be such a bad move.

Crazyguy105
I can see it being a selling point for both versions. Consoles: Play with your PC and (opposing console) friends!

PC: Easier opponents.
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#74 incuensuocha
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Knowing what we know now it would seem that having PS3 and PC gamers duking it out would be a pretty one sided affair. I find it ridiculous though that people here would call this a bad idea and act like Valve don't have clue what they're doing. I think over the years Valve has earned everyone's respect and the right to not be doubted. If they say they are trying to do this then I'm sure they have something up they're sleeves that none of us have even considered.
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#75 Promised_Trini
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I am sorry us Console guys will get raped really hard!...I've seen what happens ask my brother and our friend playing CS on the PC not a good site :lol:...It's like muder left right and center:lol:..

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#76 lowe0
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Even if the PS3 uses a mouse and keyboard, this is still a horrible idea. Remember how the TF2 community "welcomed" Mac users? Yeah, it'll be that times ten.

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#77 firefluff3
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This wont end out well for console players.

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#78 harshv82
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Even if the PS3 uses a mouse and keyboard, this is still a horrible idea. Remember how the TF2 community "welcomed" Mac users? Yeah, it'll be that times ten.

lowe0

What happened with the mac users? I'm unaware of it :?

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#79 lowe0
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[QUOTE="lowe0"]

Even if the PS3 uses a mouse and keyboard, this is still a horrible idea. Remember how the TF2 community "welcomed" Mac users? Yeah, it'll be that times ten.

harshv82

What happened with the mac users? I'm unaware of it :?

Automatic kick for having the earbuds in inventory.
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Console players should be hoping this doesn't happen.

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#81 Ace6301
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[QUOTE="lowe0"]

Even if the PS3 uses a mouse and keyboard, this is still a horrible idea. Remember how the TF2 community "welcomed" Mac users? Yeah, it'll be that times ten.

harshv82

What happened with the mac users? I'm unaware of it :?

Much shunning and fun making was had by the PC players. Also Mac players got "earbuds" which they were soon given poor deals for then traded away by PC players to other PC players for considerably more. It's to the point where someone with earbuds is actually a PC player 9 times out of 10.
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#82 15strong
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Better support keyboard + mouse on console then, or they will have a big handicap. Also, this may be a controversial statement, but if it includes 360 I'm not looking forward to the Live community playing ._. Yes, I mean 12 year olds that are xXxX1337ScOpeZxXxX.chapnzaba

You act as if the kiddies don't play pc games. What's even worse? A grown man on pc thinking he is better than he actually is. and talking about it.

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#83 EdenProxy
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PC elitist make me rage. I hope this occurs (with steamplay for ps3 again)

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#84 Karnage108
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The way I see it, if I was on PC playing myself on the 360, the PC gamer in me would easily win on a game like Counter-strike. That said, CS gets really boring after a while, so meh, don't really care about this.
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#85 Lucianu
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Valve must have thought about something we don't know. They are fully aware of how the PC gamers would effortlessly slaughter the console gamers in a CS match, since m/kb is a infinitely more superior control scheme for first person shooters, compared to a clunky gamepad..

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#86 GD1551
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[QUOTE="harshv82"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"]

Even if the PS3 uses a mouse and keyboard, this is still a horrible idea. Remember how the TF2 community "welcomed" Mac users? Yeah, it'll be that times ten.

lowe0

What happened with the mac users? I'm unaware of it :?

Automatic kick for having the earbuds in inventory.

Wow that's hilarious :lol:

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#87 ChubbyGuy40
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PC elitist make me rage. I hope this occurs (with steamplay for ps3 again)

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Truth hurts doesn't it?

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#88 AndersK
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PC elitist make me rage. I hope this occurs (with steamplay for ps3 again)

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#89 15strong
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I hope it says whether you are playing on PC or console. That way the over confident PC gamers know when they get their a***** handed to them by the console players.

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#90 Lucianu
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I hope it says whether you are playing on PC or console. That way the over confident PC gamers know when they get their a***** handed to them by the console players.

15strong

There's nothing overconfident about it. Fact is PC gamers would obliterate console gamers, simply because the m/kb scheme is faster, vastly more acurrate and encourages freedom. Consolites wouldn't even have time to respond.

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#91 Karnage108
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Valve must have thought about something we don't know. They are fully aware of how the PC gamers would effortlessly slaughter the console gamers in a CS match, since m/kb is a infinitely more superior control scheme for first person shooters, compared to a clunky gamepad..

Lucianu

In all honesty though, there's a lot of sucky PC gamers out there (in general). They may have the advantage as far as KB/M goes, but I'd go as far as saying there's more hardcore/skilled CoD fans on the 360 than there are on the PC.

CS is obviously a lot different though as there's more emphasis on firing accuracy and whatnot, and there's already a huge and established community for that game.

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#92 15strong
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[QUOTE="15strong"]

I hope it says whether you are playing on PC or console. That way the over confident PC gamers know when they get their a***** handed to them by the console players.

Lucianu

There's nothing overconfident about it. Fact is PC gamers would obliterate console gamers, simply because the m/kb scheme is faster, vastly more acurrate and encourages freedom. Consolites wouldn't even have time to respond.

You know there will be some really good console players out there that compete with the PC community.

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#93 ChubbyGuy40
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I hope it says whether you are playing on PC or console. That way the over confident PC gamers know when they get their a***** handed to them by the console players.

15strong

Don't see why they'd add a feature for something that'd never happen.

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#94 ChubbyGuy40
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You know there will be some really good console players out there that compete with the PC community.

15strong

Not in a game like Counter Strike.

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#95 15strong
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[QUOTE="15strong"]

You know there will be some really good console players out there that compete with the PC community.

ChubbyGuy40

Not in a game like Counter Strike.

Yes. Do you think every person who plays CS is a god at gaming?

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#96 Rezarektah21
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[QUOTE="Bruin1986"]

Classic example of trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. PC and console gamers CANNOT compete with each other, no matter how much you want it to happen to increase profits. KB/M users will utterly massacre controller users unless you implement some absurd auto-aim which destroys any sense of competition. I just pray Valve doesn't destroy CS searching for more profits...

Chico_L
Ps3 can support MKB.... What makes you think they will allow auto-aim on consoles? The only shooter i know that has auto-aim on ps3 is COD. (Not sure if killzone had it)

..every console shooter has aim assist. Why the f*** do people say auto-aim? Auto-aim is what Grand Theft Auto has.
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#97 Ace6301
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[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

[QUOTE="15strong"]

You know there will be some really good console players out there that compete with the PC community.

15strong

Not in a game like Counter Strike.

Yes. Do you think every person who plays CS is a god at gaming?

No of course not. There's still plenty of mediocre people who play it. However even the mediocre people have an advantage over console players and there really is a huge amount of CS players who are scary good at the game. Not just by knowledge of the game (they will have that advantage too of course) but because they have more precision than you can possibly get from a controller. It's not a "PC elitest" thing. It's that CS is a game where precise aiming is king. Probably more so than any other game. It literally would not be fair for the console players.
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#98 ChubbyGuy40
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[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

[QUOTE="15strong"]

You know there will be some really good console players out there that compete with the PC community.

15strong

Not in a game like Counter Strike.

Yes. Do you think every person who plays CS is a god at gaming?

Not at all, because I know I'm not.

You said "compete" with the PC community. They'll be picked off from the other side of the map with the starter pistol by any good CS player. I hope by compete you don't mean getting slaughtered by people playing with KB/M.

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#99 Lucianu
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You know there will be some really good console players out there that compete with the PC community.

15strong

Well if you put a PC gamer with a gamepad and a console player with a mouse, then both will suck. I'm not talking about absolute skill, a PC gamer will suck with a gamepad if he doesn't get used to it, and vice versa for a console player. But see, given the fact that a gamepad is simply more slower than the responsiveness of a mouse.. a experienced CS player using a m/kb has a victory over the most experienced console gamer using a gamepad. A tool that is faster than another tool, and if that tool is put into a situation were fast response is required, then the fastest tool is superior. Don't tell me about some other combinations like a poor m/kb player vs. a experienced gamepad player, i don't care about that.

In all honesty though, there's a lot of sucky PC gamers out there (in general). They may have the advantage as far as KB/M goes, but I'd go as far as saying there's more hardcore/skilled CoD fans on the 360 than there are on the PC.

CS is obviously a lot different though as there's more emphasis on firing accuracy and whatnot, and there's already a huge and established community for that game.

Karnage108

I think there are a lot of sucky gamers everywere, people aren't born with experience.

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#100 dom2000
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Ok...COD controller vs pc the controller might be semi compettive but lol counter strike! Ha Ha Haaaaa!