Valve: We'r aiming at cross platform play for counter strike

Anyone that thinks that using a controller for counter-strike, you can be competetive in any way to a mouse + keyboard, knows nothing about counter-strike.

I could literelly pit an average counter-strike kb/m player againts the most skilled console fps player in the world, and he would get trashed.

Thats not being elitist, thats being realistic.

I really, REALLY hope that this happens.

[QUOTE="15strong"]

[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

Not in a game like Counter Strike.

Ace6301

Yes. Do you think every person who plays CS is a god at gaming?

[QUOTE="dkdk999"] [QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Sony and MS would never allow that.

KC_Hokie

FFXI was an exception. Maybe the only exception we'll ever see.

Console players should be hoping this doesn't happen.

Doolz2024

Even if it does happen not like their going to do it madatory for everyone, if it does then you'll see it optional, if you die too much go and play with the conosle server and so on. the more options the better and besides this could change big games like CoD and BF to have cross platform features also

If a PS3 has a mouse and keyboard, the PC user and PS3 user is on even ground.

M/KB vs controller? Not a chance in hell.

AndersK

it is not only

-M/KB vs controller

but also

-60fps vs 30fps

-large FOV vs small FOV

I don't play CS anymore, but I want this to happen. It will epically lulzworthy.

[QUOTE="AndersK"]

If a PS3 has a mouse and keyboard, the PC user and PS3 user is on even ground.

M/KB vs controller? Not a chance in hell.

MK-Professor

it is not only

-M/KB vs controller

but also

-60fps vs 30fps

-large FOV vs small FOV

Casual players and dare i say it, newbies, which most of the players will be, wont care, or know about the different between 30, 60 and 101 fps and hertz.

If you dont know anything about it, you dont need it. Same goes for removing mouse acceleration.

Lol, it would be a slaughterhouse.

Now they're just milking.

[QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

[QUOTE="AndersK"]

If a PS3 has a mouse and keyboard, the PC user and PS3 user is on even ground.

M/KB vs controller? Not a chance in hell.

AndersK

it is not only

-M/KB vs controller

but also

-60fps vs 30fps

-large FOV vs small FOV

Casual players and dare i say it, newbies, which most of the players will be, wont care, or know about the different between 30, 60 and 101 fps and hertz.

If you dont know anything about it, you dont need it. Same goes for removing mouse acceleration.

It doesn't matter what the casual players care or not about the fps, fov, etc. The thing is that console gamers will be in disadvantage because of this reasons "M/KB vs controller", "60fps vs 30fps", "large FOV vs small FOV".

the only way to get around this problems is to give console gamers auto aim and more fire power to their weapons(but again this maybe bring disadvantage to pc gamers)

Haha. this'll be fun.

It's not like i can't connect k&m to the ps3...

They might try to put aim assist for console players but that doesn't sound like a solid plan, i don't know... it's nice they wanna merge but i can only judge after seeing what their solution is to make it even.

Cross-game play is awsome, moar games with it please!

Only way i could see this working was if you had to use controllers to play with people on console.

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

Isn't the new CS console only?

Either way, having console players play PC players would be like having Stephen Hawking wrestle a bear: Horrifying, but I'd be unable to look away.

Steameffekt

The question now is, will it be again between the PS3 community and the PC community? or will the X360 finally be able to catch up and join in?

Do you think a console gamer can win versus a PC owner?

finalstar2007

It was the PS3 doing the catching up. Xbox had cross platform gaming (PC vs XBOX) Since near the start of the gen.

[QUOTE="finalstar2007"]

The question now is, will it be again between the PS3 community and the PC community? or will the X360 finally be able to catch up and join in?

Do you think a console gamer can win versus a PC owner?

-Snooze-

It was the PS3 doing the catching up. Xbox had cross platform gaming (PC vs XBOX) Since near the start of the gen.

But now the 360 is lagging behind. PS3 has steamworks and that is a huge plus right now.

[QUOTE="finalstar2007"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

Isn't the new CS console only?

Either way, having console players play PC players would be like having Stephen Hawking wrestle a bear: Horrifying, but I'd be unable to look away.

DarkLink77

Its for everything ( PC,MAC, PS3, Xbox)

This is a fight PC gamers never can win..

If PC gamers beat the console players no1 cares it was expected, nothing gained for PC gamers.

...and if PC gamers get owned it is a big win for console-boys

[QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

[QUOTE="finalstar2007"]

The question now is, will it be again between the PS3 community and the PC community? or will the X360 finally be able to catch up and join in?

Do you think a console gamer can win versus a PC owner?

15strong

It was the PS3 doing the catching up. Xbox had cross platform gaming (PC vs XBOX) Since near the start of the gen.

But now the 360 is lagging behind. PS3 has steamworks and that is a huge plus right now.

It's really only one game, and as of yet has come to very little.

It should give it the advantage in CS. Unless MS decided that CS is a popular enough game for them to make an exception.

This ought to be good. I recently played some CS: S on Steam those people eat, sleep and die CS. Cross platform play will be war.

I think I know how Valve plans this. There will be dedicated PC only servers and dedicated PS3 servers. Then you will also have servers that have both availible. So if you pick quick play and ignore the server browser, you will have 2 choices, if on PC you can choose to pick either PC only or mixed servers, and the PS3 will have the option of PS3 or Mixed servers.

Very simple yet effective.

If a PS3 has a mouse and keyboard, the PC user and PS3 user is on even ground.

M/KB vs controller? Not a chance in hell.

AndersK

Not really since a PC user can upgrade their rig offering far better resolutions, far better frames persecond and one of those low latency ethernet cards built for online gaming.

and lets not even get on the gamer keyboard and mice that come with up to date drivers for all their functions and extreme dpi on the mice something the ps3 doesn't support but only supports them in a generic fashion with generic drivers.

Why can't a dev add KB&M support for an Xbox title. without MS' say so? The Xbox supports Keyboard and mouse, like most devices.

Great.

Every kind of gamer in the same room.That'll be an enlightening experience.

Why can't a dev add KB&M support for an Xbox title. without MS' say so? The Xbox supports Keyboard and mouse, like most devices.

-Snooze-

If a PS3 has a mouse and keyboard, the PC user and PS3 user is on even ground.

M/KB vs controller? Not a chance in hell.

AndersK

[QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

Why can't a dev add KB&M support for an Xbox title. without MS' say so? The Xbox supports Keyboard and mouse, like most devices.

WilliamRLBaker

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

[QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

Why can't a dev add KB&M support for an Xbox title. without MS' say so? The Xbox supports Keyboard and mouse, like most devices.

silversix_

[QUOTE="EdenProxy"]

PC elitist make me rage. I hope this occurs (with steamplay for ps3 again)

ChubbyGuy40

Truth hurts doesn't it?

The Master Race will be whipping them filthy peseants back into place.

[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

[QUOTE="EdenProxy"]

PC elitist make me rage. I hope this occurs (with steamplay for ps3 again)

NoodleFighter

Truth hurts doesn't it?

The Master Race will be whipping them filthy peseants back into place.

hahah putting any console CS player vs a PC CS player won't be pretty.

Not really since a PC user can upgrade their rig offering far better resolutions, far better frames persecond and one of those low latency ethernet cards built for online gaming.

and lets not even get on the gamer keyboard and mice that come with up to date drivers for all their functions and extreme dpi on the mice something the ps3 doesn't support but only supports them in a generic fashion with generic drivers.

WilliamRLBaker

Latency depends on the provider, not on the NIC. The latency difference between a good NIC and a low end NIC is something in the order of half a millisecond.

Frames per second are irrelevant, Valve isn't going to release a game that runs on consoles at 15 FPS. Besides hardware could run the game better than consoles just like it could run the game worse.

Controllers are supposedly designed specifically for gaming, KB/M are designed for everyday use. Hypocrisy much? There is virtually no difference between an average keyboard and a high end keyboard, unless it's mechanic but those are extremely rare to find even among gamers. The only difference between an average mouse and a gaming mouse is that the gaming mouse doesn't hurt your tendrils as much.

All of these differences are negligible in the big picture...sounds to me like you're just trying to damage control the gloomy ownage.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Unless the PS3 people are using a mouse and a keyboard, they will be destroyed.

That said, I want to see Xbox 360 vs. PS3. That would be awesome.

i5750at4Ghz

Ouch, iv been PC gaming most of my life and even i get slaughtered on Counterstrike. If this new one is anything like the old one, then I can see a lot of consolites not liking the multiplayer on this game because they think PC gamers are cheating when they get owned by them.

I don't see how this is going to be balanced. Most new CS players go through weeks of getting demolished before they get used to game and that is on PC. I can't imagine what it would be like to play against veteran CS players while using a controller.

Cross platform DOTA 2 sounds more interesting.

Cross platform DOTA 2 sounds more interesting.

KungfuKitten

Not at all, that would even be worse on console players.

I doubt it will happen because of the different online services of the consoles (PSN and Live). I can't see either company wanting to be compatible with the other in that regard. If it does happen it will be one system or the other most likely not both (probably PS3 since they did it with Portal 2). As for the other questions, yes it's possible for a console gamer to beat a PC gamer. I look at our control choice as a different fighting style, I will beat an opponent on a 360 controller, DS3, or a kb/m if I am skilled enough to beat them. So if it does happen and 360 gets in on it, be prepared to be scraping up you're brain matter PS3 and PC gamers.FPSDad1161

Way to read the OP. Gabe is talking about cross-platform play between the PS3 and PC using Steamworks, not 360 and PS3.

[QUOTE="KungfuKitten"]

Cross platform DOTA 2 sounds more interesting.

GD1551

Not at all, that would even be worse on console players.