Valve....Stupidity or laziness?

With no ps3 port of the game it leaves me to one of question is valve stupid or just plain lazy?  You got millions of ps3 owners willing to easily give you $60 for a decent port of the game.  Is it that hard to make the game for ps3?  Is it not a wise move to make the game for ps3 to make millions more?

I don't think MS is paying to have the game be exclusive for 360 but I'm pretty sure Valve just doesn't like ps3.  This is pretty much the only game that I want that ps3 doesn't have.

I'm pretty sure Valve just doesn't like ps3.

odin2019

Nothing personal, Odin, but where have you been. Valve has come right out and said they don't like the PS3, and added that they couldn't figure out why anyone would invest in it. They struggled with the Cel when they released The Orange Box.

Valve openly admitted to not liking the PS3 ages ago due to its overly complicated architecture. They can achieve the same and more with far less work on the Xbox 360 and the PC.Hexagon_777

You might be able to achieve the same and more with just making the game but you won't when it comes to sales.

Hermits, rip this heretic to shreds!

He just questioned your favourite developer!

I'm sure if they were really guaranteed "millions" of sales they would be more keen on porting it.

Companies like Valve don't make decisions based on which console they like better, or what they feel like doing. They do it based on whether they think they will make or lose money.Teufelhuhn

They pretty much are guaranteed millions....what are you talking about?  As long as ps3 gets a decent port your going to sell a lot copies of the game for ps3.  Everyone knows about left 4 dead including ps3 owners.

I think the real question here is this: 

Is Sony stupid or just lazy.

for the first gen ever Sony decided to make a console without meeting with developers first. this is something they always did in the past, got feedback to see what was wanted in the next console from developers. they skipped that this time because they had their own business interests ranked above developers in terms of importance. it's a shame, could have been an awesome gen for all gamers had Sony not been so arrogant.  

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]I'm sure if they were really guaranteed "millions" of sales they would be more keen on porting it.

Companies like Valve don't make decisions based on which console they like better, or what they feel like doing. They do it based on whether they think they will make or lose money.odin2019

They pretty much are guaranteed millions....what are you talking about?  As long as ps3 gets a decent port your going to sell a lot copies of the game for ps3.  Everyone knows about left 4 dead including ps3 owners.

What kind of self-respecting gamer doesn't have a gaming PC ?anshul89

I got a pc and I play games on it but the requirements for todays games are too much and my laptop is only a year old.  You tell me?  I don't wanna pay for a new graphics card along with a new processor just to play left 4 dead on pc when I feel like my laptop outta be able to handle the game seeing as its only a little over one year old.

[QUOTE="odin2019"]

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]I'm sure if they were really guaranteed "millions" of sales they would be more keen on porting it.

Companies like Valve don't make decisions based on which console they like better, or what they feel like doing. They do it based on whether they think they will make or lose money.Teufelhuhn

They pretty much are guaranteed millions....what are you talking about?  As long as ps3 gets a decent port your going to sell a lot copies of the game for ps3.  Everyone knows about left 4 dead including ps3 owners.

Oblivion

I think the real question here is this: 

Is Sony stupid or just lazy.

 

for the first gen ever Sony decided to make a console without meeting with developers first. this is something they always did in the past, got feedback to see what was wanted in the next console from developers. they skipped that this time because they had their own business interests ranked above developers in terms of importance. it's a shame, could have been an awesome gen for all gamers had Sony not been so arrogant.  

3picuri3

[QUOTE="odin2019"]

I'm pretty sure Valve just doesn't like ps3.

standarddamage

Nothing personal, Odin, but where have you been. Valve has come right out and said they don't like the PS3, and added that they couldn't figure out why anyone would invest in it. They struggled with the Cel when they released The Orange Box.

EA ported The Orange Box to the PlayStation 3, not Valve. 

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]

What other recent PS3 ports have sold "millions"?odin2019

Oblivion

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"][QUOTE="odin2019"]

They pretty much are guaranteed millions....what are you talking about? As long as ps3 gets a decent port your going to sell a lot copies of the game for ps3. Everyone knows about left 4 dead including ps3 owners.

odin2019

Oblivion

nope, sorry. hasnt broke a million. Vgchartz pegs it around 700k.

Even so, there arent any other examples.

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"][QUOTE="odin2019"]

They pretty much are guaranteed millions....what are you talking about? As long as ps3 gets a decent port your going to sell a lot copies of the game for ps3. Everyone knows about left 4 dead including ps3 owners.

odin2019

Oblivion

nope, sorry. hasnt broke a million. Vgchartz pegs it around 700k.

Even so, there arent any other examples.

[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]

Valve openly admitted to not liking the PS3 ages ago due to its overly complicated architecture. They can achieve the same and more with far less work on the Xbox 360 and the PC.

odin2019

You might be able to achieve the same and more with just making the game but you won't when it comes to sales.

The PlayStation 3 has the smallest userbase out of all the platforms. Valve seemingly didn't deem it as feasible to develop for.

[QUOTE="3picuri3"]

I think the real question here is this: 

Is Sony stupid or just lazy.

 

for the first gen ever Sony decided to make a console without meeting with developers first. this is something they always did in the past, got feedback to see what was wanted in the next console from developers. they skipped that this time because they had their own business interests ranked above developers in terms of importance. it's a shame, could have been an awesome gen for all gamers had Sony not been so arrogant.  

Teufelhuhn

what the hell does that have to do with anything? the fact is Sony used to meet with developers to ask them what they wanted, they got what they wanted in terms of hardware for the PS2 - the architecture, or the way in which one codes and interacts is a different thing altogether. 

i don't recall reading articles of developers saying they were offended by Sony's lack of interest in consulting them during PS2 development (because they did) but i've read a hell of a lot this gen from developers (particularly japanese devs) that they were offended at Sony's arrogance with the PS3 development. not a single roundtable discussion was held with developers which was a tradition for the PS1/PS2 generations.

it's the principle, the idea, that offended and put off developers. whether or not the PS2 was easy to work with is a moot point. it's not about that in the least. people were more willing to work with Sony with the PS2 because they had a better attitude that gen and reached out to developers while the console was being created. didn't happen this gen. not even a group email. nada.  

and tell me, did the architecture for the PS2 put off developers? was the PS2 one of the most prolific consoles ever in terms of the scope of it's library? compare that to this gen and try to tell me Sony's relationship with 3rd party developers didn't suffer due to their approach this gen.  

[QUOTE="odin2019"][QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]

What other recent PS3 ports have sold "millions"?Teufelhuhn

Oblivion

Probably more but when you have a game that is top notch like left 4 dead there is no reason to not be able to sell millions of it on another console just as long as it is a decent port.  For all that matters if Vavle doesn't have the qualifications within the company to produce a decent ps3 port by all means why not hire some people to just come in for a little while and help with that?  In my opinion they are missing out on millions by not selling to ps3.

[QUOTE="odin2019"][QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]

Valve openly admitted to not liking the PS3 ages ago due to its overly complicated architecture. They can achieve the same and more with far less work on the Xbox 360 and the PC.

Hexagon_777

You might be able to achieve the same and more with just making the game but you won't when it comes to sales.

The PlayStation 3 has the smallest userbase out of all the platforms. Valve seemingly didn't deem it as feasible to develop for.

yeah and the wii has the largest user base but I don't see the game going there.

[QUOTE="anshul89"]What kind of self-respecting gamer doesn't have a gaming PC ?odin2019

I got a pc and I play games on it but the requirements for todays games are too much and my laptop is only a year old. You tell me? I don't wanna pay for a new graphics card along with a new processor just to play left 4 dead on pc when I feel like my laptop outta be able to handle the game seeing as its only a little over one year old.

Pretty much what Teuf said.

Valve probably figured the costs in extra development time or development resources for the PS3 version would probably be more than the amount of money they earned from sales. Or atleast, too little profit to be worth it.

I think if Valve decied to port it anyways, even at a loss, then i think that would probably be stupid.

[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"][QUOTE="odin2019"]

You might be able to achieve the same and more with just making the game but you won't when it comes to sales.

odin2019

The PlayStation 3 has the smallest userbase out of all the platforms. Valve seemingly didn't deem it as feasible to develop for.

yeah and the wii has the largest user base but I don't see the game going there.

There are always exceptions to the rule. Valve did convey interest in the Wii, however. Moreso than they did in the PlayStation 3. 

[QUOTE="odin2019"]

[QUOTE="anshul89"]What kind of self-respecting gamer doesn't have a gaming PC ?jg4xchamp

I got a pc and I play games on it but the requirements for todays games are too much and my laptop is only a year old. You tell me? I don't wanna pay for a new graphics card along with a new processor just to play left 4 dead on pc when I feel like my laptop outta be able to handle the game seeing as its only a little over one year old.

It doesn't really matter what it is its the fact that my laptop is just a little over one year old and I can't play the game due to my laptop not having this or that.

[QUOTE="odin2019"]

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]I'm sure if they were really guaranteed "millions" of sales they would be more keen on porting it.

Companies like Valve don't make decisions based on which console they like better, or what they feel like doing. They do it based on whether they think they will make or lose money.Teufelhuhn

They pretty much are guaranteed millions....what are you talking about? As long as ps3 gets a decent port your going to sell a lot copies of the game for ps3. Everyone knows about left 4 dead including ps3 owners.

yeah and how many of those ports were released in an early time period as the original release. Just look at bioshock, they released that game a full year after being release on the 360 and pc and expected to do well? People will lose interest or move on to other games as the hype dies down. And yes m$ makes deals with companies fr the exclusivity which is avery smart move if you ask me

It doesn't really matter what it is its the fact that my laptop is just a little over one year old and I can't play the game due to my laptop not having this or that.

odin2019

No, your laptop isn't that old, so yes, you can play it.

cows dont buy software. multiplatform games are difficult to make on the PS3 and overly expensive

I dont see the problm here

Kojima and Konami.....Stupidity or laziness?

EA ported The Orange Box to the PlayStation 3, not Valve. Hexagon_777

Valve was very involved in the process, Hex, and they hated every second of it. Why do you think they had such wonderful things to say about the PS3?

Not stupidity or laziness.

Just not wanting-ness.

[QUOTE="anshul89"]What kind of self-respecting gamer doesn't have a gaming PC ?odin2019

I got a pc and I play games on it but the requirements for todays games are too much and my laptop is only a year old.  You tell me?  I don't wanna pay for a new graphics card along with a new processor just to play left 4 dead on pc when I feel like my laptop outta be able to handle the game seeing as its only a little over one year old.

Pretty much what Teuf said.

Valve probably figured the costs in extra development time or development resources for the PS3 version would probably be more than the amount of money they earned from sales. Or atleast, too little profit to be worth it.

I think if Valve decied to port it anyways, even at a loss, then i think that would probably be stupid.

XaosII

it has nothing to do with this. from what i understand it's Gabe's decision. orange box only made it to PS3 under immense pressure from outside sources - it had nothing to do with the costs of extra development. especially when you consider these costs are never a burden on Valve, the titles (like orange box) are sourced out to external development teams with contracts that usually include revenue sharing in exchange for covering the overhead of porting the title.

that might be the case with smaller developers where they decide to just make it for one console, but with EA backing Valve for ports the cost is never placed on Valve. if it was then Gabe would never do it.  

[QUOTE="odin2019"]

It doesn't really matter what it is its the fact that my laptop is just a little over one year old and I can't play the game due to my laptop not having this or that.

FrozenLiquid

No, your laptop isn't that old, so yes, you can play it.

How can I play it without having to spend more money on my pc?

[QUOTE="odin2019"][QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]

What other recent PS3 ports have sold "millions"?-General_Ram-

Oblivion

nope, sorry. hasnt broke a million. Vgchartz pegs it around 700k.

Even so, there arent any other examples.

lol yeah cuz vg charts is soo reliabl

Kojima and Konami.....Stupidity or laziness?

 

ReverseCycology

There is a difference between those and loyalty.

Not stupidity or laziness.

Just not wanting-ness.

[QUOTE="odin2019"]

[QUOTE="anshul89"]What kind of self-respecting gamer doesn't have a gaming PC ?EuroMafia

I got a pc and I play games on it but the requirements for todays games are too much and my laptop is only a year old.  You tell me?  I don't wanna pay for a new graphics card along with a new processor just to play left 4 dead on pc when I feel like my laptop outta be able to handle the game seeing as its only a little over one year old.

I knew mine was not made for gaming but GD I outta at least be able to play some of todays games.  Maybe not crysis but at least a couple of games.

[QUOTE="ReverseCycology"]

Kojima and Konami.....Stupidity or laziness? 

odin2019

There is a difference between those and loyalty.

ugh. i hate it when people talk loyalty with business. it should be a different word.

true loyalty doesn't exist in any arrangement where X pays Y crazy amounts of money to do Z. that's not loyalty. that's kissing the hand that feeds.  

[QUOTE="ReverseCycology"]

Kojima and Konami.....Stupidity or laziness?

odin2019

There is a difference between those and loyalty.

...and given the Blu-Ray joke that he makes in the game, I don't think Hideo likes the other platforms very much.

[QUOTE="ReverseCycology"]

Kojima and Konami.....Stupidity or laziness?

 

odin2019

There is a difference between those and loyalty.

If you want to pick up and play Left 4 Dead on November 18, you need an Xbox 360 or a gaming PC.  Simple as that.

what the hell does that have to do with anything? the fact is Sony used to meet with developers to ask them what they wanted, they got what they wanted in terms of hardware for the PS2 - the architecture, or the way in which one codes and interacts is a different thing altogether.

3picuri3

i don't recall reading articles of developers saying they were offended by Sony's lack of interest in consulting them during PS2 development (because they did) but i've read a hell of a lot this gen from developers (particularly japanese devs) that they were offended at Sony's arrogance with the PS3 development. not a single roundtable discussion was held with developers which was a tradition for the PS1/PS2 generations.

it's the principle, the idea, that offended and put off developers. whether or not the PS2 was easy to work with is a moot point. it's not about that in the least. people were more willing to work with Sony with the PS2 because they had a better attitude that gen and reached out to developers while the console was being created. didn't happen this gen. not even a group email. nada.  

and tell me, did the architecture for the PS2 put off developers? was the PS2 one of the most prolific consoles ever in terms of the scope of it's library? compare that to this gen and try to tell me Sony's relationship with 3rd party developers didn't suffer due to their approach this gen.  

3picuri3

[QUOTE="EuroMafia"]

Not stupidity or laziness.

Just not wanting-ness.

[QUOTE="odin2019"]

 

I got a pc and I play games on it but the requirements for todays games are too much and my laptop is only a year old.  You tell me?  I don't wanna pay for a new graphics card along with a new processor just to play left 4 dead on pc when I feel like my laptop outta be able to handle the game seeing as its only a little over one year old.

odin2019

I knew mine was not made for gaming but GD I outta at least be able to play some of todays games.  Maybe not crysis but at least a couple of games.

[QUOTE="odin2019"][QUOTE="ReverseCycology"]

Kojima and Konami.....Stupidity or laziness?

 

standarddamage

There is a difference between those and loyalty.

...and given the Blu-Ray joke that he makes in the game, I don't think Hideo likes the other platforms very much.

Maybe its not loyalty but the MS games have always been exclusive to the ps3 brand for quite some time before jumping ship.  As far as a dev being loyal they don't give a **** because it doesn't apply to them other than when they work on the game for a console.  As far as playing the game money is no object so they don't apply to the general public opinion.