Vanquish's influence on the shooter genra is already becoming apparent...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bo_BDMUC8Rk

This is a very early video of Crysis 2. Notice how the slide seen in this video is merely a defensive tactic used to get behind cover. This conflicts with what we see in the brand new multiplayer trailer, which shows the slide as an obvious offensive measure.

Master_ShakeXXX

How do you know it wasn't already planned?

It's not like that video somehow proves it was impossible to use it offensively.

The sliding already being there actually makes your thesis (even) less likely.

[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bo_BDMUC8Rk

This is a very early video of Crysis 2. Notice how the slide seen in this video is merely a defensive tactic used to get behind cover. This conflicts with what we see in the brand new multiplayer trailer, which shows the slide as an obvious offensive measure.

IronBass

How do you know it wasn't already planned?

[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bo_BDMUC8Rk

This is a very early video of Crysis 2. Notice how the slide seen in this video is merely a defensive tactic used to get behind cover. This conflicts with what we see in the brand new multiplayer trailer, which shows the slide as an obvious offensive measure.

IronBass

How do you know it wasn't already planned?

Well again, I'm speculating. I never denied that. I'm just suggesting that there's definitly a possibility here that Vanquish is influencing other shooters.

Well again, I'm speculating. I never denied that. I'm just suggesting that there's definitly a possibility here that Vanquish is influencing other shooters.Master_ShakeXXX

Oh, so you are speculating again. Sorry, since I asked for some kind proof in my previous post, I didn't expect that.

Anyways, I don't really have anything left to say.

I already showed why from a development time point of view is an unlikely scenario, it has been showed that those games had sliding earlier and that other FPS's have done it before, so unless there's more than more speculation, I don't really think there's much left to discuss.

[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]Well again, I'm speculating. I never denied that. I'm just suggesting that there's definitly a possibility here that Vanquish is influencing other shooters.IronBass

Oh, so you are speculating again. Sorry, since I asked for some kind proof in my previous post, I didn't expect that.

Anyways, I don't really have anything left to say.

I already showed why from a development time point of view is an unlikely scenario, it has been showed that those games had sliding earlier and that other FPS's have done it before, so unless there's more than more speculation, I don't really think there's much left to discuss.

You're right, probably not much else to discuss. But you're a brave lad and I commend you for showing off some rather excellent debating skill. Ah, takes me back to the time when me an Arach were going back an forth about MGS4 being the greatest game ever made. Those were the days. But anyways, I'm not bored anymore and I thank you for that :D

But anyways, I'm not bored anymore and I thank you for that :DMaster_ShakeXXX

Now suddenly I feel like this guy:

>_>

Vanquish didn't influence anything. Vanquish had rocket powered slides. IDK how this fits in with everything else. And leave it to Master Shake to make another Vanquish thread :P

[QUOTE="heysharpshooter"]

I played the demo for Vanquished... kind of fun for like 10 mintues, but I would never pay 60 dollars for it...

MFDOOM1983

Vanquish didn't influence anything. Vanquish had rocket powered slides. IDK how this fits in with everything else. And leave it to Master Shake to make another Vanquish thread :P

Hatiko

Well atleast it isn't MortgageMan007 making a Black Ops one

Well atleast it isn't MortgageMan007 making a Black Ops one

OB-47

Brink had it way before vanquish.

[QUOTE="Hatiko"]

Vanquish didn't influence anything. Vanquish had rocket powered slides. IDK how this fits in with everything else. And leave it to Master Shake to make another Vanquish thread :P

Master_ShakeXXX

The way I see it, potentially every Vanquish thread that I make = 10 copies of Vanquish getting sold. It's my power of hyperbole and persuasion I tell ya :D

Seriously though, game of da year.

No, this is:

Master Shake's Vanqush fetish:P, but in all honesty I do need to play the game and the sliding idea was bloody brilliant. Most certainly one of the most innovative new features.

I just realized the MLB games are copying vanquish because you can slide into bases. :D

F.E.A.R. did it, as stated above, others are behind the curve.caughtjoo

Sliding isn't exactly a huge, innovative idea. It probably hasn't been placed in shooters that much because it's not really that necessary most of the time. It makes sense in Crysis and Vanquish because your an acrobatic, roided out, super soldier.

Sliding was in games loooong before vanquish showed up. Vanquish wasn't even that great imo. It's fast and energetic, sure, but it isn't popularizing or revolutionizing anything, and it's short as hell.

You really like this game don't you.

Vanquish was surpisngly good. The campaign was too short for my taste though.

first of all, these are all FPS.

their premise and promise of parkour-themed action was apparent long before Vanquish was ever brought to inception. especially brink and Crysis 2.

there is very little merit in this argument. vanquish was well received, that's fine. but it isn't at all revolutionary in any sense of the word.

All things considered, it really wouldn't be that surprising if Vanquish had such an influence. It's truly an extraodinary masterpiece, containing gameplay that could only be described as "legendary". It's the stuff that timeless classics are made of. Rest assured Vanquish in time will join the ranks of such highly respected shooters as Counter Strike, Halo CE, and Half-Life 2.

tc did you ever played mirror's edge, it came out before vanquish, sliding is quite commun in that game

Slide has been around since LONG before Vanquish.

Vanquis is a crappy game, btw.

All things considered, it really wouldn't be that surprising if Vanquish had such an influence. It's truly an extraodinary masterpiece, containing gameplay that could only be described as "legendary". It's the stuff that timeless classics are made of. Rest assured Vanquish in time will join the ranks of such highly respected shooters as Counter Strike, Halo CE, and Half-Life 2.

Master_ShakeXXX

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1YDkLIGtqU(skip to 1:02)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5mozt7BBDY(skip to :56)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTLHdKRX-OE(skip to :46)

Three different shooters that are so close to release, implementing sliding mechanics that are both a strategic and offensive maneuver and one that is an integral element of the gameplay? Vanquish definitly played a part in this. Looks like Vanquish, next to Gears, is one of the most revolutionary shooters of this generation. Say what you will about other games doing it first, but Vanquish is the game to both re-invent it into a crucial strategic gameplay element, and to popularise it. Discuss.

[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

All things considered, it really wouldn't be that surprising if Vanquish had such an influence. It's truly an extraodinary masterpiece, containing gameplay that could only be described as "legendary". It's the stuff that timeless classics are made of. Rest assured Vanquish in time will join the ranks of such highly respected shooters as Counter Strike, Halo CE, and Half-Life 2.

Vaasman

Three different shooters that are so close to release, implementing sliding mechanics that are both a strategic and offensive maneuver and one that is an integral element of the gameplay? Vanquish definitly played a part in this. Looks like Vanquish, next to Gears, is one of the most revolutionary shooters of this generation. Say what you will about other games doing it first, but Vanquish is the game to both re-invent it into a crucial strategic gameplay element, and to popularise it. Discuss.

Master_ShakeXXX

Influential and revolutionary are far from the same thing. Crysis 2 and to a lesser extent Bulletstorm have obviously copied the idea from Vanquish, but the slide in Brink isn't necessarily derived from that game. Let's not forget that sliding was also in previous games, though less excessive. GRAW and FEAR are 2 examples.

All things considered, it really wouldn't be that surprising if Vanquish had such an influence. It's truly an extraodinary masterpiece, containing gameplay that could only be described as "legendary". It's the stuff that timeless classics are made of. Rest assured Vanquish in time will join the ranks of such highly respected shooters as Counter Strike, Halo CE, and Half-Life 2.

Master_ShakeXXX

All things considered, it really wouldn't be that surprising if Vanquish had such an influence. It's truly an extraodinary masterpiece, containing gameplay that could only be described as "legendary". It's the stuff that timeless classics are made of. Rest assured Vanquish in time will join the ranks of such highly respected shooters as Counter Strike, Halo CE, and Half-Life 2.

Master_ShakeXXX

[QUOTE="iAtrocious"]

[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

The way I see it, potentially every Vanquish thread that I make = 10 copies of Vanquish getting sold. It's my power of hyperbole and persuasion I tell ya :D

Seriously though, game of da year.

Stringerboy

No, this is:

super meat boy felt more like an insanity test than an actual game.

You're telling this to the guy who just spent this day and the previous one doing The Kid's levels, Dark Cotton Alley and Dark The End (Beat them all, finally got 200/200 and Meat Ninja Boy =D). The game is flawless, I can't wait for the two major updates Team Meat is going to announce at GDC.

[QUOTE="Stringerboy"]

[QUOTE="iAtrocious"]

No, this is:

super meat boy felt more like an insanity test than an actual game.

You're telling this to the guy who just spent this day and the previous one doing The Kid's levels, Dark Cotton Alley and Dark The End (Beat them all, finally got 200/200 and Meat Ninja Boy =D). The game is flawless, I can't wait for the two major updates Team Meat is going to announce at GDC.

[QUOTE="iAtrocious"]

[QUOTE="Stringerboy"]

super meat boy felt more like an insanity test than an actual game.

antifanboyftw

You're telling this to the guy who just spent this day and the previous one doing The Kid's levels, Dark Cotton Alley and Dark The End (Beat them all, finally got 200/200 and Meat Ninja Boy =D). The game is flawless, I can't wait for the two major updates Team Meat is going to announce at GDC.

I love how Team Meat troll-rolled PETA for publicity. Apparently, it worked.

Edit: I tried Tofu Boy -- he can't get past the first level, lol. It's a shame Team Meat can't/won't put him on the 360 version. I'd love to get some leaderboard high scores with him.

Those games have been in development for awhile now and Vanquish just came out.

Yeah, they totally copied it. Just like how Black Ops copied Reach with a credit system amirite?

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]

[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

All things considered, it really wouldn't be that surprising if Vanquish had such an influence. It's truly an extraodinary masterpiece, containing gameplay that could only be described as "legendary". It's the stuff that timeless classics are made of. Rest assured Vanquish in time will join the ranks of such highly respected shooters as Counter Strike, Halo CE, and Half-Life 2.

heretrix

Mirrors Edge says hello :P.

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]This is bordering on Rikusaki levels of ridiculous and annoying affection for a product.

Bigboi500

You slid in Mirror's Edge.