Vanquish's influence on the shooter genra is already becoming apparent...

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[QUOTE="soapandbubbles"] yeah but which popularised it? when you think of sliding cover..what game comes to mind...yeah vanqiush! soapandbubbles

It would have to be popular in the first place to actually popularise something...

Vanquish was ok but it's not the gaming milestone you're making it out to be.

Hey MSXXX,I think you´re cool and all but this just made me facepalm. :?

Slididng has been in alot of games TC. Sorry.

Wouldnt Vanquish have to be popular to populize something? I mean Gear made cover mechanics popular as it sold so much. Vanquish sold like ... 3 1/2 copies?

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brink was showing off its sliding mechanic a year ago.

brink was showing off its sliding mechanic a year ago.

Mordred19

Another group of games that has been influenced by the epic masterpiece that is Vanquish, eh Shake?:P

vanquish was one of the most innovative and fun games of 2010. its such a shame that it didnt get GOTY on any site. not even a nomination as far as I have heard.

Vanquish was an awesome game and all, but after I beat it (twice), I moved on to other games. Its about time you did the same TC.

Probably said before but mirror's edge did it before, and I'm sure a game did it before that.

why are there so many vanquish fanboys in sw?

The worst part about a shooter is the damn walking. Its so friggin boring! Vanquish made it fast, which was effective, and therefor awesome. People say the FPS can't really innovate, lets see some different ways of moving other than an analogue stick!

But the vids don't really prove your point Snake, those games all had those mechanics before Vanquish released. You could say the sliding mechanic was taken more from Mirror's Edge since, as far as I'm aware, that was the first game to do the slide in first person.

But let me say, Vanquish was the perfect shooter. The way that the game let you play it fast where it would be boring or slow when it was difficult was brilliant. Then you could finely adjust your aim in slow-mo, which I now want in every other game I've played since. If it wasn't for challenges 4 and 6 I'd have my plat. Design wise, the game is perfect. However, after my first play through, I skip the cutscenes and can blast through it in 2 hours. Its a short game. But outside of that fact its flawless. I DEMAND a sequel!!!!!!!

Games were all announced with their feature sets out planned out way before Vanquish made a public debut, let alone before someone would have had a proper hands on with it. Beyond that Vanquish did not do well in sales and was not rated amazingly across the board.

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So to sum up, no on all parts. Vanquish to this sliding mechanic isnt even Kill.switch to the cover mechanic.alextherussian

Sales wise I can't vouch for but critically the only reason it was rated down was for crap replay value. It was short with no MP. Like a CoD with no MP of any kind. It was AMAZING!!! I won't deny it. But I sold it because after I beat it 5 times over the course of 2 weeks I knew I was pretty much done. Its design is flawless. The game just needed more in it than a 4 hour SP and challenge rooms on the side.

why are there so many vanquish fanboys in sw?

FatCatPatRat

I agree Vanquish is the best game ever made.

I guess I was one of the only ones that didn't like or care for it :(stereointegrity

or maybe they just caught you off guard in a TRAP! He warned you too late. Gte it? "It's a trap" in your avatar... um... guys? Get it... *crickets*

mirrors edge?

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why are there so many vanquish fanboys in sw?

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why are there so many vanquish fanboys in sw?

FatCatPatRat

"vanquish invented the sliding mechanic" ahahahahahaaha no SAGE_OF_FIRE

I thought that game WET started the whole knee sliding slow motion shooting in TPS.

yo, im pretty sure both brink and crysis 2 were in development way before vanquish came out and that they would have had to impliment the slide mechanics early on. anyway, farcry 2 had a slide mechanic before any of those games, vanquish wasnt the first to do it.

Far Cry 2 and Wet had sliding before Vanguish this gen. I can't remember if anyone did it before current gen.

[QUOTE="SAGE_OF_FIRE"]"vanquish invented the sliding mechanic" ahahahahahaaha no foxhound_fox

[QUOTE="the_mitch28"]

I don't think it's having much of an influence on the genre, it's just another game in a long list of others to use a sliding mechanic.

soapandbubbles

The slide thing is actually funny. Last year in may when I was at EA's London conference I found it hilarious that over half of games on display had FPP sliding... Bulletstorm, Medal of Honor and Crysis 2.

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

[QUOTE="SAGE_OF_FIRE"]"vanquish invented the sliding mechanic" ahahahahahaaha no soapandbubbles

I hate the debate from the western media that declares Japan falling behind in game development yet western games constantly rip off ideas and techniques from there Japanese counterparts.headninjadog

Like how the Japanese invented the whole RPG genre.

[QUOTE="headninjadog"]I hate the debate from the western media that declares Japan falling behind in game development yet western games constantly rip off ideas and techniques from there Japanese counterparts.-Snooze-

Like how the Japanese invented the whole RPG genre.

I agree Vanquish is the best game ever made.

SpinoRaptor24

I agree Vanquish is the best game ever made.

SpinoRaptor24

I have to disagree with this statement, but it comes close :D

[QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

[QUOTE="headninjadog"]I hate the debate from the western media that declares Japan falling behind in game development yet western games constantly rip off ideas and techniques from there Japanese counterparts.AdrianWerner

Like how the Japanese invented the whole RPG genre.

Maybe they're just joking, and not trying to be taken seriously. Hasn't that like, ever occured to you, man? :)

Rest assured Vanquish in time will join the ranks of such highly respected shooters as Counter Strike, Halo CE, and Half-Life 2.Master_ShakeXXX

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1YDkLIGtqU(skip to 1:02)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5mozt7BBDY(skip to :56)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTLHdKRX-OE(skip to :46)

Three different shooters that are so close to release, implementing sliding mechanics that are both a strategic and offensive maneuver and one that is an integral element of the gameplay? Vanquish definitly played a part in this. Looks like Vanquish, next to Gears, is one of the most revolutionary shooters of this generation. Say what you will about other games doing it first, but Vanquish is the game to both re-invent it into a crucial strategic gameplay element, and to popularise it. Discuss.

Master_ShakeXXX

Seriously dude, do you work for Platinum Games or Sega?? Because you're starting to sound like Rikusaki when he rants about how great onlive is (that's not a good thing, by the way).

Mirrors Edge says hi

I hate the debate from the western media that declares Japan falling behind in game development yet western games constantly rip off ideas and techniques from there Japanese counterparts.headninjadog

I agree, there definitly seems to be a double standard going on here. For example, while Gears didn't invent the cover mechanic, it certainly revolutionised it, and many people are willing to accept this notion rather easily. However when someone like me comes along and suggests the notion that a Japanese game (in this case Vanquish) revolutionised a certain gameplay mechanic, everyone gets all up in arms and says "NOOO, that's just not possible". There's definitly a double standard going on there.

Vanquish didn't invent the sliding mechanic, but it re-invented it and turned it into a crucial and unique gameplay device. And the way how Crysis 2 uses it seems eerily similiar to Vanquish. It's possible that this is simply coincidence, but it's kind of rediculous to just outright 100% dismiss the possibility that Vanquish MAY have played a part in it. Of course we will never know unless the devs tell us how this came about.

[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"] Rest assured Vanquish in time will join the ranks of such highly respected shooters as Counter Strike, Halo CE, and Half-Life 2.Some-Mist

[QUOTE="headninjadog"]I hate the debate from the western media that declares Japan falling behind in game development yet western games constantly rip off ideas and techniques from there Japanese counterparts.Master_ShakeXXX

I agree, there definitly seems to be a double standard going on here. For example, while Gears didn't invent the cover mechanic, it certainly revolutionised it, and many people are willing to accept this notion rather easily. However when someone like me comes along and suggests the notion that a Japanese game (in this case Vanquish) revolutionised a certain gameplay mechanic, everyone gets all up in arms and says "NOOO, that's just not possible". There's definitly a double standard going on there.

Vanquish didn't invent the sliding mechanic, but it re-invented it and turned it into a crucial and unique gameplay device. And the way how Crysis 2uses it seems eerily familiar to Vanquish. It's possible that this is simply coincidence, but it's kind of rediculous to just outright 100% dismiss the possibility that Vanquish MAY have played a part in it. Of course we will never know unless the devs outright tell us how this came about.

The piece of excrement know as Far Cry 2 had it too.

[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

[QUOTE="headninjadog"]I hate the debate from the western media that declares Japan falling behind in game development yet western games constantly rip off ideas and techniques from there Japanese counterparts.Luxen90

I agree, there definitly seems to be a double standard going on here. For example, while Gears didn't invent the cover mechanic, it certainly revolutionised it, and many people are willing to accept this notion rather easily. However when someone like me comes along and suggests the notion that a Japanese game (in this case Vanquish) revolutionised a certain gameplay mechanic, everyone gets all up in arms and says "NOOO, that's just not possible". There's definitly a double standard going on there.

Vanquish didn't invent the sliding mechanic, but it re-invented it and turned it into a crucial and unique gameplay device. And the way how Crysis 2uses it seems eerily familiar to Vanquish. It's possible that this is simply coincidence, but it's kind of rediculous to just outright 100% dismiss the possibility that Vanquish MAY have played a part in it. Of course we will never know unless the devs outright tell us how this came about.

No it didn't, it was just some kind development fad probably taking as basis older games like Mirrors Edege or even FEAR. Last year there were like four games in development that had that gameplay mechanic. Vanquish was simply the first one of those to be released but the mechanic was already used in other games like the two I mentioned.

No it didn't, it was just some kind development fad probably taking as basis older games like Mirrors Edege or even FEAR. Last year there were like four games in development that had that gameplay mechanic. Vanquish was simply the first one of those to be released but the mechanic was already used in other games like the two I mentioned.

glez13

[QUOTE="Luxen90"]

[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

I agree, there definitly seems to be a double standard going on here. For example, while Gears didn't invent the cover mechanic, it certainly revolutionised it, and many people are willing to accept this notion rather easily. However when someone like me comes along and suggests the notion that a Japanese game (in this case Vanquish) revolutionised a certain gameplay mechanic, everyone gets all up in arms and says "NOOO, that's just not possible". There's definitly a double standard going on there.

Vanquish didn't invent the sliding mechanic, but it re-invented it and turned it into a crucial and unique gameplay device. And the way how Crysis 2uses it seems eerily familiar to Vanquish. It's possible that this is simply coincidence, but it's kind of rediculous to just outright 100% dismiss the possibility that Vanquish MAY have played a part in it. Of course we will never know unless the devs outright tell us how this came about.

soapandbubbles

[QUOTE="glez13"]

No it didn't, it was just some kind development fad probably taking as basis older games like Mirrors Edege or even FEAR. Last year there were like four games in development that had that gameplay mechanic. Vanquish was simply the first one of those to be released but the mechanic was already used in other games like the two I mentioned.

soapandbubbles

Okay, and that translates into being the influence of the three FPS that where in development last year also and that had that mechanic already?