VGleaks- Xbox roadmap 2013. BC, plays used games, not always online

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http://www.vgleaks.com/microsoft-xbox-roadmap-2013/

Microsoft is working hard in its new strategy for the next years. The company wants to expand its Xbox brand with two new Xbox. One would be next-gen, the other one would be a new redesign for Xbox 360. Take in mind the Wii Mini, MS would like to offer something similar to Nintendo. This cheap model would be focused as a set top box product, although you will be able to load games too, but the games should be load directly from the HDD. This Xbox wouldnt have disc drive.

We have received new information about the latest Xbox Roadmap. Our source unveils new details for Durango, Xbox mini and the Microsoft strategy; moreover we dont forget Kinect 2.0.

Microsoft expands its Xbox brand

Getting to the point there are going to be two console as part of the redesigned Xbox Line of products. A repackaged and reoriented Xbox 360 unit and the new Durango gaming console, both designed to compete with more than Sony in gaming, but against Apple as well.

When the Durango (game machine) launches, it will not support backwards compatibility for 360 games out of the box. Instead, this functionality will come from the other unit that will be networked with the Durango to provide this (not unlike the DVD add-on for the original Xbox).

The purpose of the smaller Xbox unit is to compete with Apple TV, but also provides XBLA and 360 game support which will give it an edge over Apple TV. The rumors of always online required comes from the smaller Xbox unit which may not have a disc drive and like Apple TV it would require a network connection and internet to provide any real functionality. It may be possible they will design both consoles to be stackable.

Durango itself will also always be online like any other device (correct with rumors), but it will not be a requirement to playlocal content and it will not prevent playing used games. Putting in an Xbox 360 disc into Durango will prompt the user to attach the supporting device that is sold separately. By separating the two devices and their functions it will ensure price competitiveness for both pieces of hardware. Microsofts delay in announcing these products from April goes more inline with not having a physical set of devices to show (among specification updates), which should be ready by May or June when this information is officially released.

The price goal of the smaller Xbox is $149 or lower and it is likely to not have a disc drive and would require a network connection. Durango will be priced competitively according to PS4s price.

Kinect 2.0 (lol 2.0)

A different department within Xbox handles Kinect hardware and software. The focus was more on developing and networking both consoles with Kinect more of an after thought at that point, considering dealing with it would be less of an issue even with hardware changes to the main console hardware. Kinect isnt the primary focus.

The development kits required several pieces of hardware as to combine all potential hardware which may or may not be required to work with each other, which also includes the potential for any or all devices to required a network connection, which is where most of the required rumors are coming from.

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 More rumours but VGleaks were spot on with what they said about PS4. Barring the amount of rams.

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#2 super600  Moderator
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So the always online is for the smaller unit if this rumor is true and won't be a huge problem on durungo.

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I'll just wait and see.

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#4 Renegade_Fury
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[QUOTE="Renegade_Fury"]

So we will have an option for BC then. I like this rumor... a lot. :)

carlisledavid79

You already have an option for BC. It's called keeping the 360.

I don't get rid of my consoles. For me, this is more about having multiple backups and saving space.

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[QUOTE="trollhunter2"]

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]I don't care about BC at all. But cows using it as some form of damage control against the next Xbox are idiots because the PS4 doesn't have it either. RR360DD

ps4 will have BC due to the gaikai partnership. Anyway the difference is, that MS charges money for the so called "bc add-on"(lol why not just keep your xbox 360:lol: )

Not only will that Gaikai BC be terrible because its streamed ( :lol: ) but Sony will charge for it too LOL. And its not a BC add on, its a set top box with the ability to play Xbox 360 games. I suggest you learn how to read.

call it what you want, but its really pointless when you still have your xbox 360. For me it seems like a complete rip off to buy a dumbed down xbox 360 set top box for $149

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That BC offering is a joke; you might as well keep your 360 (if true).
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#8 Nike_Air
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As expected.

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inb4 $ony defense force

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So we will have an option for BC then. I like this rumor... a lot. :)

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Poor lems :(
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So the BC solution is similar to the Sega 32x? It looks expensive though, might aswell get an old xbox cheaper. I'm not seeing the BC idea as a good one honestly.

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So the BC solution is similar to the Sega 32x? It looks expensive though, might aswell get an old xbox cheaper. I'm not seeing the BC idea as a good one honestly.

Razor_defiace

 

it shouldn't because otherwise it'd be pointless.

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Oooo things just got very interesting. PS4 vs Nextbox is going to be very very fun to watch.

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So we will have an option for BC then. I like this rumor... a lot. :)

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You already have an option for BC. It's called keeping the 360.
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MS saved confirmed?

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#17 StrongBlackVine
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So we will have an option for BC then. I like this rumor... a lot. :)

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Yeah you buy another Xbox 360...nice solution there. :roll:

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So the always online is for the smaller unit if this rumor is true.

super600
The smaller unit is a unit that integrates with your cable box so it will overlay Xbox options over your cable box. The main functionality of the device (the smaller unit) is to bring Netflix, Hulu, weather and Xbox arcade games to your TV. Of course, it will need to be connected to work. The main Xbox will not be required however.
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MS saved confirmed?

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The cows will be damage controlling like crazy if this is true.

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So the BC solution is similar to the Sega 32x? It looks expensive though, might aswell get an old xbox cheaper. I'm not seeing the BC idea as a good one honestly.

Razor_defiace

It's more like Power Base Converter since that allows you to play Master System games on the Genesis. It might not be good from a financial point of view for Microsoft, but as a consumer, I'd love at least an option for BC. 

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#21 StrongBlackVine
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MS saved confirmed?

trollhunter2

So basically it will be weaker version of the PS4? No true BC...buying another box for $150 is the same as keeping your original 360(of course most of those are dead).

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[QUOTE="trollhunter2"]

MS saved confirmed?

super600

The cows will be damage controlling like crazy if this is true.

Why? it's still a sucky deal. Why should we damage control for lems low standards?
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#23 StrongBlackVine
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[QUOTE="trollhunter2"]

MS saved confirmed?

super600

The cows will be damage controlling like crazy if this is true.

Hmm as an admitted cow I see nothing to damage control. Specs will still be weaker than PS4 and no true BC. Price will be in line with PS4.

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Well, MS hasn't gone Bat*bleep* insane after all, good to hear.
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[QUOTE="super600"]

[QUOTE="trollhunter2"]

MS saved confirmed?

kuraimen

The cows will be damage controlling like crazy if this is true.

Why? it's still a sucky deal. Why should we damage control for lems low standards?

Super600 likes Nintedo consoles so he has very low standards.

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[QUOTE="Renegade_Fury"]

[QUOTE="Razor_defiace"]

So the BC solution is similar to the Sega 32x? It looks expensive though, might aswell get an old xbox cheaper. I'm not seeing the BC idea as a good one honestly.

It's more like Power Base Converter since that allows you to play Master System games on the Genesis. It might not be good from a financial point of view for Microsoft, but as a consumer, I'd love at least an option for BC. 

How about I just keep my 360 and not spend any extra cash on another "less than" 360? Makes sense to me.
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[QUOTE="super600"]

[QUOTE="trollhunter2"]

MS saved confirmed?

StrongBlackVine

The cows will be damage controlling like crazy if this is true.

Hmm as an admitted cow I see nothing to damage control. Specs will still be weaker than PS4 and no true BC. Price will be in line with PS4.

I was talking about the cows that keep on bashing the 720 because of the always online rumor. No one knows how powerful the 720 is yet.

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[QUOTE="StrongBlackVine"]

[QUOTE="super600"]

The cows will be damage controlling like crazy if this is true.

super600

Hmm as an admitted cow I see nothing to damage control. Specs will still be weaker than PS4 and no true BC. Price will be in line with PS4.

I was talking about the cows that keep on bashing the 720 because of the always online rumor. No one knows how powerful the 720 is yet.

Eh I will be buildig a gaming rig as well so I will just pull that card if need be and I like Sony exclusives better. I don't think it will be more powerful though.

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#30 Lucianu
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Yeah, these rumors are like a broom cleaning the mess left by the previous rumours. This is much more realistic. 

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More rumors, yay!

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What about Live fees? Will they increase, stay the same or decrease?

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So to be able to play used games, u need to buy the mini xbox unit ($149) and have it always connected online. I can probabpy accept this if the Durango is selling at $200-$300.
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[QUOTE="super600"]

[QUOTE="trollhunter2"]

MS saved confirmed?

StrongBlackVine

The cows will be damage controlling like crazy if this is true.

Hmm as an admitted cow I see nothing to damage control. Specs will still be weaker than PS4 and no true BC. Price will be in line with PS4.

How do you know its weaker. PS4 has no BC.
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This I like.
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[QUOTE="StrongBlackVine"]

[QUOTE="super600"]

The cows will be damage controlling like crazy if this is true.

RR360DD

Hmm as an admitted cow I see nothing to damage control. Specs will still be weaker than PS4 and no true BC. Price will be in line with PS4.

How do you know its weaker. PS4 has no BC.

lol the next xbox doesnt have bc as well. Its just a trick by MS to attract consumers to buy the "xbox 360" add-on. Its really pointless, and  I believe that many people will fall for it :lol:

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[QUOTE="RR360DD"][QUOTE="StrongBlackVine"]

Hmm as an admitted cow I see nothing to damage control. Specs will still be weaker than PS4 and no true BC. Price will be in line with PS4.

trollhunter2

How do you know its weaker. PS4 has no BC.

lol the next xbox doesnt have bc as well. Its just a trick by MS to attract consumers to buy the "xbox 360" add-on. Its really pointless, and  I believe that many people will fall for it :lol:

I don't care about BC at all. But cows using it as some form of damage control against the next Xbox are idiots because the PS4 doesn't have it either.
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Rumours.
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"Durango itself will also always be online like any other device (correct with rumors), but it will not be a requirement to play local content" I'm confused
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So to be able to play used games, u need to buy the mini xbox unit ($149) and have it always connected online. I can probabpy accept this if the Durango is selling at $200-$300.Bazooka_4ME

From what I read it should play used games regardless. The "other unit" is an optional purchase for BC.

With this other Xbox unit and Sony's Gaikai both companies seem to be done with native BC.

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#41 -RocBoys9489-
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[QUOTE="RR360DD"][QUOTE="StrongBlackVine"]

Hmm as an admitted cow I see nothing to damage control. Specs will still be weaker than PS4 and no true BC. Price will be in line with PS4.

trollhunter2

How do you know its weaker. PS4 has no BC.

lol the next xbox doesnt have bc as well. Its just a trick by MS to attract consumers to buy the "xbox 360" add-on. Its really pointless, and  I believe that many people will fall for it :lol:

It sounds like a great deal for a media box for TVs in the house to me. Most people aren't smart enough to just connect their laptops or tablets to their TVs though, sadly.
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Kinect 2.0 (lol 2.0)
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[QUOTE="Bazooka_4ME"]So to be able to play used games, u need to buy the mini xbox unit ($149) and have it always connected online. I can probabpy accept this if the Durango is selling at $200-$300.Floppy_Jim

From what I read it should play used games regardless. The "other unit" is an optional purchase for BC.

With this other Xbox unit and Sony's Gaikai both companies seem to be done with native BC.

BC is so overrated, keep your old systems, jeez.
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[QUOTE="trollhunter2"]

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]How do you know its weaker. PS4 has no BC.RR360DD

lol the next xbox doesnt have bc as well. Its just a trick by MS to attract consumers to buy the "xbox 360" add-on. Its really pointless, and  I believe that many people will fall for it :lol:

I don't care about BC at all. But cows using it as some form of damage control against the next Xbox are idiots because the PS4 doesn't have it either.

ps4 will have BC due to the gaikai partnership. Anyway the difference is, that MS charges money for the so called "bc add-on"(lol why not just keep your xbox 360:lol: )

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With this other Xbox unit and Sony's Gaikai both companies seem to be done with native BC.

BC is so overrated, keep your old systems, jeez.-RocBoys9489-

Yeah I don't care for it all that much. I'll be done with the PS3 by the time I get a PS4, ditto for 720.

Kinect 2.0 (lol 2.0)Heil68

Thought you'd like that :D

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Much much better if true, but i won't hold my breath.

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#47 blackace
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So we will have an option for BC then. I like this rumor... a lot. :)

Renegade_Fury
Yeah, but why would anyone buy a $149 unit just to play Xbox 360 games on the Durango? Especially if you already own an XBox 360. I could care less about the smaller Xbox and it's cable/tv strategy. As long as I can play used games on the Durango and it doesn't have to be always online to play any game, I'm happy with that.
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#48 lhughey
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Much much better if true, but i won't hold my breath.

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Yes, smart move. Its much better to develop your expectations from the crazy land which is SW. /s
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#49 Snugenz
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[QUOTE="Snugenz"]

Much much better if true, but i won't hold my breath.

lhughey

Yes, smart move. Its much better to develop your expectations from the crazy land which is SW. /s

I don't base my expectations on SW, i'd rather wait for official word from the company that makes the product.

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#50 blackace
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[QUOTE="Razor_defiace"]

So the BC solution is similar to the Sega 32x? It looks expensive though, might aswell get an old xbox cheaper. I'm not seeing the BC idea as a good one honestly.

Renegade_Fury

It's more like Power Base Converter since that allows you to play Master System games on the Genesis. It might not be good from a financial point of view for Microsoft, but as a consumer, I'd love at least an option for BC. 

It would be better if it was like the Power Base Converter. Pay $50 for it. Connect it to a port on the Durango and bang, you can now play all your XBox 360 games on the Durango. That's what M$ should have done. I'm fine with them having their cable/tv box separately. I can't see anyone wasting their money on that though.