VGleaks- Xbox roadmap 2013. BC, plays used games, not always online

Bu-Bu-But teh GDDR5?

On one hand, I am really happy that they are not adopting always online DRM BS, but on the other hand, it seems like they are trying to sell two machines that could easily be handled by one.  This is almost too bizzare to be true, but this is MS we're talking about after all.

 

I give this rumor a 6/10 .  It gets points for debunking the always online stuff, but the double sku thing seems almost like a sad attempt to make the overall cost of owning a 720 up a bit to cover for Kinect.  We will see.

Shewgenja

On one hand, I am really happy that they are not adopting always online DRM BS, but on the other hand, it seems like they are trying to sell two machines that could easily be handled by one.  This is almost too bizzare to be true, but this is MS we're talking about after all.

 

I give this rumor a 6/10 .  It gets points for debunking the always online stuff, but the double sku thing seems almost like a sad attempt to make the overall cost of owning a 720 up a bit to cover for Kinect.  We will see.

Shewgenja

you don't have to buy the set up box. It is basically a roku on steroids and it works hand in hand with your nextbox letiing it play 360 games. It's a great move by Microsoft. Hardcore gamers will get the Durango or even both. Casuals will get the set up box. Everyone is covered and everyone is happy.  Microsoft is trying to appeal to all gamers and even people who are just into tech. Honestly if they execute this right they could run away with next gen. 

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On one hand, I am really happy that they are not adopting always online DRM BS, but on the other hand, it seems like they are trying to sell two machines that could easily be handled by one.  This is almost too bizzare to be true, but this is MS we're talking about after all.

 

I give this rumor a 6/10 .  It gets points for debunking the always online stuff, but the double sku thing seems almost like a sad attempt to make the overall cost of owning a 720 up a bit to cover for Kinect.  We will see.

DarkLink77

Whatever it is, its going to own the Wii:U and match up to PS4 capabilities near enough.
Which is a good thing.

So from my understanding the Xbox Mini will be a low cost media machine that is able to playback Xbox On Demand Games. Once its connected to the Xbox 720, you can pop in a 360 game into the 720 and playback those games via the Xbox Mini. It's a great move by Microsoft but one again they start the gen with significant add-ons. Nonstop-Madness

Well, it beats the hell out of not having a hardware based BC solution (Sony). The streaming idea is legit, but how the f*ck will they know what games you own on disc?

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[QUOTE="super600"]

I was talking about the cows that keep on bashing the 720 because of the always online rumor. No one knows how powerful the 720 is yet.

dommeus

Eh I will be buildig a gaming rig as well so I will just pull that card if need be and I like Sony exclusives better. I don't think it will be more powerful though.

Probably a lot more worth living than yours, rat.

Not sure why if someone were given a choice between the current 360 and this new one that they'd choose the new one. Not being able to play discs on the new one would be a huge turn-off to me.

Wickerman777

It's a trap.

Hopefully these rumours prove accurate, at least MS will be in the race if the Durango plays used games and online isn't a requirement. The remaining negatives they need to address are the Kinect 2.0 and Live pricing issues. The 360-mini add-on sounds like a terrible idea though, going to create Wii U style confusion among consumers, I can see this being about as popular as the hd-dvd add-on. JamDev

What about the weak hardware? That part of the rumor is still alive and well. Heck, just looking at the hardware alone had me thinking about switching to PS4 before this stuff about always online and mandatory Kinect caught on.

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[QUOTE="godzillavskong"] "weaker hardware?" Worked out fine for the 360 against its cell powered competitor.Tessellation

There is a much larger gap between these specs and what was the case with PS3 and 360. And any advantage PS3 had was mostly wiped out by its complexity. That won't be the case this time.

Yeah, if you wanna get all word-policey about it I suppose you could say that. But if you simply change the wording to PS4 is 50% more powerful than Xbox 720 then the 50% figure is correct.

[QUOTE="JamDev"]Hopefully these rumours prove accurate, at least MS will be in the race if the Durango plays used games and online isn't a requirement. The remaining negatives they need to address are the Kinect 2.0 and Live pricing issues. The 360-mini add-on sounds like a terrible idea though, going to create Wii U style confusion among consumers, I can see this being about as popular as the hd-dvd add-on. Wickerman777

What about the weak hardware? That part of the rumor is still alive and well. Heck, just looking at the hardware alone had me thinking about switching to PS4 before this stuff about always online and mandatory Kinect caught on.

The hardware will be on par with the ps4

[QUOTE="Wickerman777"]

[QUOTE="JamDev"]Hopefully these rumours prove accurate, at least MS will be in the race if the Durango plays used games and online isn't a requirement. The remaining negatives they need to address are the Kinect 2.0 and Live pricing issues. The 360-mini add-on sounds like a terrible idea though, going to create Wii U style confusion among consumers, I can see this being about as popular as the hd-dvd add-on. NFJSupreme

What about the weak hardware? That part of the rumor is still alive and well. Heck, just looking at the hardware alone had me thinking about switching to PS4 before this stuff about always online and mandatory Kinect caught on.

The hardware will be on par with the ps4

Lol, only if something changes. As of right now it's 50% weaker than PS4, 1.2 tflops vs 1.8 tflops. If you consider that "on par" then you've got a different definition of the expression than I do.

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[QUOTE="JamDev"]Hopefully these rumours prove accurate, at least MS will be in the race if the Durango plays used games and online isn't a requirement. The remaining negatives they need to address are the Kinect 2.0 and Live pricing issues. The 360-mini add-on sounds like a terrible idea though, going to create Wii U style confusion among consumers, I can see this being about as popular as the hd-dvd add-on. NFJSupreme

What about the weak hardware? That part of the rumor is still alive and well. Heck, just looking at the hardware alone had me thinking about switching to PS4 before this stuff about always online and mandatory Kinect caught on.

The hardware will be on par with the ps4

[QUOTE="NFJSupreme"]

[QUOTE="Wickerman777"]

What about the weak hardware? That part of the rumor is still alive and well. Heck, just looking at the hardware alone had me thinking about switching to PS4 before this stuff about always online and mandatory Kinect caught on.

Wickerman777

The hardware will be on par with the ps4

Lol, only if something changes. As of right now it's 50% weaker than PS4, 1.2 tflops vs 1.8 tflops. If you consider that "on par" then you've got a different definition of the expression than I do.

[QUOTE="JamDev"]Hopefully these rumours prove accurate, at least MS will be in the race if the Durango plays used games and online isn't a requirement. The remaining negatives they need to address are the Kinect 2.0 and Live pricing issues. The 360-mini add-on sounds like a terrible idea though, going to create Wii U style confusion among consumers, I can see this being about as popular as the hd-dvd add-on. Wickerman777

What about the weak hardware? That part of the rumor is still alive and well. Heck, just looking at the hardware alone had me thinking about switching to PS4 before this stuff about always online and mandatory Kinect caught on.

this sound more likely than any other rumour out there. and this bc solution is better than sonys. 

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[QUOTE="Wickerman777"]

What about the weak hardware? That part of the rumor is still alive and well. Heck, just looking at the hardware alone had me thinking about switching to PS4 before this stuff about always online and mandatory Kinect caught on.

Wickerman777

The hardware will be on par with the ps4

Lol, only if something changes. As of right now it's 50% weaker than PS4, 1.2 tflops vs 1.8 tflops. If you consider that "on par" then you've got a different definition of the expression than I do.

1) learn to math that is not 50% weaker. 

2)if early rumors are wrong about always online and DRM why can't they be wrong about specs?

[QUOTE="Nonstop-Madness"]So from my understanding the Xbox Mini will be a low cost media machine that is able to playback Xbox On Demand Games. Once its connected to the Xbox 720, you can pop in a 360 game into the 720 and playback those games via the Xbox Mini. It's a great move by Microsoft but one again they start the gen with significant add-ons. DarkLink77

Well, it beats the hell out of not having a hardware based BC solution (Sony). The streaming idea is legit, but how the f*ck will they know what games you own on disc?

[QUOTE="Renegade_Fury"]

So we will have an option for BC then. I like this rumor... a lot. :)

StrongBlackVine

Yeah you buy another Xbox 360...nice solution there. :roll:

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The hardware will be on par with the ps4

NFJSupreme

Lol, only if something changes. As of right now it's 50% weaker than PS4, 1.2 tflops vs 1.8 tflops. If you consider that "on par" then you've got a different definition of the expression than I do.

1) learn to math that is not 50% weaker. 

2)if early rumors are wrong about always online and DRM why can't they be wrong about specs?

Umm, somebody else needs to brush up on their math skills. The difference between 12 and 18 is 50%. Think about it.

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The hardware will be on par with the ps4

NFJSupreme

Lol, only if something changes. As of right now it's 50% weaker than PS4, 1.2 tflops vs 1.8 tflops. If you consider that "on par" then you've got a different definition of the expression than I do.

1) learn to math that is not 50% weaker. 

2)if early rumors are wrong about always online and DRM why can't they be wrong about specs?

Poor lems :(kuraimen

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[QUOTE="Wickerman777"]

Lol, only if something changes. As of right now it's 50% weaker than PS4, 1.2 tflops vs 1.8 tflops. If you consider that "on par" then you've got a different definition of the expression than I do.

Wickerman777

1) learn to math that is not 50% weaker. 

2)if early rumors are wrong about always online and DRM why can't they be wrong about specs?

Umm, somebody else needs to brush up on their math skills. The difference between 12 and 18 is 50%. Think about it.

He said weaker implying that the next box is only 50% of the ps4 power. That is not true if those numbers are correct. It's actually closer to 67% of the ps4s power.  PS4 is 50% greater than the 720s power if that is true. my math was correct his wording was wrong. 

[QUOTE="I_can_haz"]I believe your math is wrong. 1.8 teraflops is indeed 50% more powerful than 1.2 teraflops.lundy86_4

50% weaker would be 800 gigaflops. Your math was off.

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[QUOTE="NFJSupreme"]

1) learn to math that is not 50% weaker. 

2)if early rumors are wrong about always online and DRM why can't they be wrong about specs?

NFJSupreme

Umm, somebody else needs to brush up on their math skills. The difference between 12 and 18 is 50%. Think about it.

He said weaker implying that the next box is only 50% of the ps4 power. That is not true if those numbers are correct. It's actually closer to 67% of the ps4s power.  PS4 is 50% greater than the 720s power if that is true. my math was correct his wording was wrong. 

Lol, you should become a politician with that spin. You know damned well I meant the difference between them is 50%. I want to stick with Xbox but not if they are going to put a generic box out there. Considering that they are loaded with cash and Sony is broke I expected the next Xbox to smoke the PS4. At this point I'll accept just equal. But it being even equal would require them changing the hardware from what is rumored.

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[QUOTE="Wickerman777"]

Umm, somebody else needs to brush up on their math skills. The difference between 12 and 18 is 50%. Think about it.

Wickerman777

He said weaker implying that the next box is only 50% of the ps4 power. That is not true if those numbers are correct. It's actually closer to 67% of the ps4s power.  PS4 is 50% greater than the 720s power if that is true. my math was correct his wording was wrong. 

Lol, you should become a politician with that spin. You know damned well I meant the difference between them is 50%. I want to stick with Xbox but not if they are going to put a generic box out there. Considering that they are loaded with cash and Sony is broke I expected the next Xbox to smoke the PS4. At this point I'll accept just equal. But it being even equal would require them changing the hardware from what is rumored.

50% of what?  The 720? yes. The ps4? No. You said 50% weaker (less than) the ps4. Not true. So yes, learn to math. 

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He said weaker implying that the next box is only 50% of the ps4 power. That is not true if those numbers are correct. It's actually closer to 67% of the ps4s power.  PS4 is 50% greater than the 720s power if that is true. my math was correct his wording was wrong. 

NFJSupreme

Lol, you should become a politician with that spin. You know damned well I meant the difference between them is 50%. I want to stick with Xbox but not if they are going to put a generic box out there. Considering that they are loaded with cash and Sony is broke I expected the next Xbox to smoke the PS4. At this point I'll accept just equal. But it being even equal would require them changing the hardware from what is rumored.

50% of what?  The 720? yes. The ps4? No. You said 50% weaker (less than) the ps4. Not true. So yes, learn to math. 

That is 50% weaker you dolt! If the PS4 were 2.4 tflops then Nextbox would be 100% weaker. You can play word games all you like but it doesn't change anything.

Apparently, I quoted I_Can_Haz by mistake, my bad. I'm pretty drunk lol. Wickerman was off. 1.2 is not half of 1.8.

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[QUOTE="Wickerman777"]

Lol, you should become a politician with that spin. You know damned well I meant the difference between them is 50%. I want to stick with Xbox but not if they are going to put a generic box out there. Considering that they are loaded with cash and Sony is broke I expected the next Xbox to smoke the PS4. At this point I'll accept just equal. But it being even equal would require them changing the hardware from what is rumored.

Wickerman777

50% of what?  The 720? yes. The ps4? No. You said 50% weaker (less than) the ps4. Not true. So yes, learn to math. 

That is 50% weaker you dolt! If the PS4 were 2.4 tflops then Nextbox would be 100% weaker. You can play word games all you like but it doesn't change anything.

ok learn to English as well as learn to math.  Clearly you have trouble communicating. 

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What schools are y'all going to? I never said it was half of PS4. If it were half then I would have said 100% weaker, not 50%. I don't like saying greater than or more powerful because imo both consoles are weak and it's misleading to call either one of them powerful. Both of them should have been 2-2.5 tflops. But whatever, if y'all want to play goofy semantics then fine, PS4 is 50% more powerful than Durango. It doesn't matter cuz you guys knew what I meant the first time and are just trying to be cute.

lundy86_4

Lol, only if something changes. As of right now it's 50% weaker than PS4, 1.2 tflops vs 1.8 tflops. If you consider that "on par" then you've got a different definition of the expression than I do.

Wickerman777

Now 1.8 tflops is 100%, so what is 50% of that number?

Dude, quit being a jerk and droning on endlessly about something meaningless. Stop pretending that you didn't know what I meant. And anyway, half of 1.8 tflops would be 900 gflops, not the 800 you said.

You want me to say greater than? Fine! The PS4 is 50% more powerful than Nextbox (I feel dirty calling a 1.8 tflops console in 2013 "more powerful." Thanks a lot). If that holds up the Nextbox is a pos.

Dude, quit being a jerk and droning on endlessly about something meaningless. Stop pretending that you didn't know what I meant. And anyway, half of 1.8 tflops would be 900 gflops, not the 800 you said.

Wickerman777

Already edited. It was a typo.

You want me to say greater than? Fine! The PS4 is 50% more powerful than Nextbox (I feel dirty calling a 1.8 tflops console in 2013 "more powerful." Thanks a lot). If that holds up the Nextbox is a pos.

Wickerman777

You were incorrect. Nothing wrong with that.

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Lol, only if something changes. As of right now it's 50% weaker than PS4, 1.2 tflops vs 1.8 tflops. If you consider that "on par" then you've got a different definition of the expression than I do.

Wickerman777

Now 1.8 tflops is 100%, so what is 50% of that number?

Dude, quit being a jerk and droning on endlessly about something meaningless. Stop pretending that you didn't know what I meant. And anyway, half of 1.8 tflops would be 900 gflops, not the 800 you said.

You want me to say greater than? Fine! The PS4 is 50% more powerful than Nextbox (I feel dirty calling a 1.8 tflops console in 2013 "more powerful." Thanks a lot). If that holds up the Nextbox is a pos.

thank you. I honestly don't care. The point is based on what we know the ps4 is stronger. But when I read your statement for a second I thought the 720 was only 50% of the ps4s power.  That was a very misleading statement and could be taken as negative spin. 

Some pretty good ideas there. Prepare your anuses if true, cows.

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[QUOTE="Wickerman777"]

What about the weak hardware? That part of the rumor is still alive and well. Heck, just looking at the hardware alone had me thinking about switching to PS4 before this stuff about always online and mandatory Kinect caught on.

Wickerman777

The hardware will be on par with the ps4

Lol, only if something changes. As of right now it's 50% weaker than PS4, 1.2 tflops vs 1.8 tflops. If you consider that "on par" then you've got a different definition of the expression than I do.

Poor lems :(kuraimen

[QUOTE="JamDev"]Hopefully these rumours prove accurate, at least MS will be in the race if the Durango plays used games and online isn't a requirement. The remaining negatives they need to address are the Kinect 2.0 and Live pricing issues. The 360-mini add-on sounds like a terrible idea though, going to create Wii U style confusion among consumers, I can see this being about as popular as the hd-dvd add-on. Wickerman777

What about the weak hardware? That part of the rumor is still alive and well. Heck, just looking at the hardware alone had me thinking about switching to PS4 before this stuff about always online and mandatory Kinect caught on.

Still a much weaker GPU and slower RAM with a smaller game footprint (as the OS and kinect take more memory than the PS4's OS) and fewer CPU cores (1 devoted purely to Kinect, so only 3 cores (6 modules) available to games.

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[QUOTE="JamDev"]Hopefully these rumours prove accurate, at least MS will be in the race if the Durango plays used games and online isn't a requirement. The remaining negatives they need to address are the Kinect 2.0 and Live pricing issues. The 360-mini add-on sounds like a terrible idea though, going to create Wii U style confusion among consumers, I can see this being about as popular as the hd-dvd add-on. godzillavskong

What about the weak hardware? That part of the rumor is still alive and well. Heck, just looking at the hardware alone had me thinking about switching to PS4 before this stuff about always online and mandatory Kinect caught on.

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The hardware will be on par with the ps4

RR360DD

Lol, only if something changes. As of right now it's 50% weaker than PS4, 1.2 tflops vs 1.8 tflops. If you consider that "on par" then you've got a different definition of the expression than I do.

[QUOTE="RR360DD"][QUOTE="Wickerman777"]

Lol, only if something changes. As of right now it's 50% weaker than PS4, 1.2 tflops vs 1.8 tflops. If you consider that "on par" then you've got a different definition of the expression than I do.

WilliamRLBaker

Still no thanks. I'd rather just buy another 360 Slim (I will eventually), and call it a day.