i cant see the WSJ having any bias. the article probably was aimed at stockholders and the like, not gamers(unless you have stock in Sony). tikki25xit's just perspective from the pure business side of things. considering how much marketshare the PS3 has cost Sony and slightly depressed sales during the holiday season, relative to the competition, I can understand their concerns.
Wall Street Journal: 'Hope Fades for PS3 as a Comeback Player'
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[QUOTE="tikki25x"]i cant see the WSJ having any bias. the article probably was aimed at stockholders and the like, not gamers(unless you have stock in Sony). Dreams-Visionsit's just perspective from the pure business side of things. considering how much marketshare the PS3 has cost Sony and slightly depressed sales during the holiday season, relative to the competition, I can understand their concerns. EXACTLY!!! I know I shouldn't even care but I'm finishing my MBA and some of these comments just blew my minds. *Must keep telling myself I am older than most of the posters in SW*
congrats Deerhunter on getting your MBA. im 31 myself and these forums make me feel like im 60 sometimes. damn kids. loltikki25xThanks. And I'm 30 if it makes you feel better! :P
I didn't read this whole monstrous thread so if I'm repeating this forgive me.
With that being said, did you even look at the graph? Every year since 2006 the PS3 has lost less money and this year it will start making money. How is that a bad thing? Of COURSE it doesn't sell as much as the 360 or Wii. The 360 has been out a year longer and his cheaper while the Wii is a freak of nature casual market money making machine.
I know the execs at PS3 would be happier making more money but the simple fact that they improved drastically in their monetary outlay from 2006 to 2007 to 2008 shows great promise for 2009 if trends continue (and they should with the huge games coming out next year as well as a probable mid to late year price cut).
Sony knows they can't win this generation. They allowed the 360 to get a year head start and the Wii is a freak of nature. However, I'm sure the execs know if trends continue as they have for the last three years they will make a fine profit on the PS3 and its games over the next 5 years.
Also, the article is hogwash. I'm shocked, literally SHOCKED they would say developers will stop making games for the PS3. It's nonsense. Sure, third party developers will make almost no more exclusives for the PS3 but they will continue to make cross platforms because 17 millilon PS3s can't be ignored. PS3 will also continue to have 1st and 2nd party developers. Period.
The simple fact is this. It has been stated repeatedly that sony will finally break even this year with the consoles and actually start to make money. They're not going to give up on the console when just now it's starting to make money. Anything else the article is trying to intimate is nonsense, plain and simple. I would literally bet my home on that one. The PS3 is going nowhere. It will end up in 2nd or 3rd place at the end of this generation and have made a nice profit (though nowhere close to the Wii).
I didn't read this whole monstrous thread so if I'm repeating this forgive me.
With that being said, did you even look at the graph? Every year since 2006 the PS3 has lost less money and this year it will start making money. How is that a bad thing? Of COURSE it doesn't sell as much as the 360 or Wii. The 360 has been out a year longer and his cheaper while the Wii is a freak of nature casual market money making machine.
I know the execs at PS3 would be happier making more money but the simple fact that they improved drastically in their monetary outlay from 2006 to 2007 to 2008 shows great promise for 2009 if trends continue (and they should with the huge games coming out next year as well as a probable mid to late year price cut).
Sony knows they can't win this generation. They allowed the 360 to get a year head start and the Wii is a freak of nature. However, I'm sure the execs know if trends continue as they have for the last three years they will make a fine profit on the PS3 and its games over the next 5 years.
Also, the article is hogwash. I'm shocked, literally SHOCKED they would say developers will stop making games for the PS3. It's nonsense. Sure, third party developers will make almost no more exclusives for the PS3 but they will continue to make cross platforms because 17 millilon PS3s can't be ignored. PS3 will also continue to have 1st and 2nd party developers. Period.
The simple fact is this. It has been stated repeatedly that sony will finally break even this year with the consoles and actually start to make money. They're not going to give up on the console when just now it's starting to make money. Anything else the article is trying to intimate is nonsense, plain and simple. I would literally bet my home on that one. The PS3 is going nowhere. It will end up in 2nd or 3rd place at the end of this generation and have made a nice profit (though nowhere close to the Wii).
Xalaten
Sony will make no money off of the PS3 in all likelyhood. They lost more money with the PS3 then all the money they made with the PS2. That's two years in destroying all of what the PS2 accomplished. Now unless the PS3 is more of a financial success then the PS2 then they cannot make profit at all with the PS3 and I don't see the PS3 hitting 100million or anything near that. The PS3 is a financial disaster.
These dumb journalists hacks who aren't even real gamers will be eating crow next year when amazing games like Killzone 2 help ps3 surge to first place. runbleduck
And these so called Journalist hacks will still be accurate and right on there statements in whatever they report. What you think they are lying about the PS3 doing bad financially or something?
These guys don't care about the games. They do the reports on the number crunching man get with it already. This isn't about the games this is about *shudders*
Business and *omg* economics. The two new taboo on SW.
The PS3 is never going to make a profit. And the PS3 has lost more money than the PS2 ever made. If you'd like links, I can supply. But I recommend a simple google.I didn't read this whole monstrous thread so if I'm repeating this forgive me.
With that being said, did you even look at the graph? Every year since 2006 the PS3 has lost less money and this year it will start making money. How is that a bad thing? Of COURSE it doesn't sell as much as the 360 or Wii. The 360 has been out a year longer and his cheaper while the Wii is a freak of nature casual market money making machine.
I know the execs at PS3 would be happier making more money but the simple fact that they improved drastically in their monetary outlay from 2006 to 2007 to 2008 shows great promise for 2009 if trends continue (and they should with the huge games coming out next year as well as a probable mid to late year price cut).
Sony knows they can't win this generation. They allowed the 360 to get a year head start and the Wii is a freak of nature. However, I'm sure the execs know if trends continue as they have for the last three years they will make a fine profit on the PS3 and its games over the next 5 years.
Also, the article is hogwash. I'm shocked, literally SHOCKED they would say developers will stop making games for the PS3. It's nonsense. Sure, third party developers will make almost no more exclusives for the PS3 but they will continue to make cross platforms because 17 millilon PS3s can't be ignored. PS3 will also continue to have 1st and 2nd party developers. Period.
The simple fact is this. It has been stated repeatedly that sony will finally break even this year with the consoles and actually start to make money. They're not going to give up on the console when just now it's starting to make money. Anything else the article is trying to intimate is nonsense, plain and simple. I would literally bet my home on that one. The PS3 is going nowhere. It will end up in 2nd or 3rd place at the end of this generation and have made a nice profit (though nowhere close to the Wii).
Xalaten
If all is doom and gloom why doesint Sony cut its lossess and stop production on the PS3? Pack it up and go home?
The PS3 is the funnest financial disaster I have ever played :P.
In all seriousness I was not joking with the first question. For those who are better at economics and all that junk can you explain why if Sony is headed for financial ruin with the PS3, they continue to spend money making them and developing for it?
[QUOTE="Xalaten"]I didn't read this whole monstrous thread so if I'm repeating this forgive me.
With that being said, did you even look at the graph? Every year since 2006 the PS3 has lost less money and this year it will start making money. How is that a bad thing? Of COURSE it doesn't sell as much as the 360 or Wii. The 360 has been out a year longer and his cheaper while the Wii is a freak of nature casual market money making machine.
I know the execs at PS3 would be happier making more money but the simple fact that they improved drastically in their monetary outlay from 2006 to 2007 to 2008 shows great promise for 2009 if trends continue (and they should with the huge games coming out next year as well as a probable mid to late year price cut).
Sony knows they can't win this generation. They allowed the 360 to get a year head start and the Wii is a freak of nature. However, I'm sure the execs know if trends continue as they have for the last three years they will make a fine profit on the PS3 and its games over the next 5 years.
Also, the article is hogwash. I'm shocked, literally SHOCKED they would say developers will stop making games for the PS3. It's nonsense. Sure, third party developers will make almost no more exclusives for the PS3 but they will continue to make cross platforms because 17 millilon PS3s can't be ignored. PS3 will also continue to have 1st and 2nd party developers. Period.
The simple fact is this. It has been stated repeatedly that sony will finally break even this year with the consoles and actually start to make money. They're not going to give up on the console when just now it's starting to make money. Anything else the article is trying to intimate is nonsense, plain and simple. I would literally bet my home on that one. The PS3 is going nowhere. It will end up in 2nd or 3rd place at the end of this generation and have made a nice profit (though nowhere close to the Wii).
Blackbond
Sony will make no money off of the PS3 in all likelyhood. They lost more money with the PS3 then all the money they made with the PS2. That's two years in destroying all of what the PS2 accomplished. Now unless the PS3 is more of a financial success then the PS2 then they cannot make profit at all with the PS3 and I don't see the PS3 hitting 100million or anything near that. The PS3 is a financial disaster.
yeah the PS3 as a gaiming machine it's a financial disaster...but lets not forget the took a risk, a big one, with blu ray... The fisrt battlee against HD-DVD is over, now we should wait and see if it succeeds to penetrate more homes and fully establish as the new video format But we won't see a clear picture of that right now, only time will tell... I think that the risk is worth (for Sony as a company)...
These dumb journalists hacks who aren't even real gamers will be eating crow next year when amazing games like Killzone 2 help ps3 surge to first place. runbleduckThe Wall Street Journal is a business paper. They're quite good at what they. Furthermore, this article is about the business side of gaming - profit and marketshare. Discounting this article because the WSJ isn't composed of gamers is ridiculous.
[QUOTE="Xalaten"]I didn't read this whole monstrous thread so if I'm repeating this forgive me.
With that being said, did you even look at the graph? Every year since 2006 the PS3 has lost less money and this year it will start making money. How is that a bad thing? Of COURSE it doesn't sell as much as the 360 or Wii. The 360 has been out a year longer and his cheaper while the Wii is a freak of nature casual market money making machine.
I know the execs at PS3 would be happier making more money but the simple fact that they improved drastically in their monetary outlay from 2006 to 2007 to 2008 shows great promise for 2009 if trends continue (and they should with the huge games coming out next year as well as a probable mid to late year price cut).
Sony knows they can't win this generation. They allowed the 360 to get a year head start and the Wii is a freak of nature. However, I'm sure the execs know if trends continue as they have for the last three years they will make a fine profit on the PS3 and its games over the next 5 years.
Also, the article is hogwash. I'm shocked, literally SHOCKED they would say developers will stop making games for the PS3. It's nonsense. Sure, third party developers will make almost no more exclusives for the PS3 but they will continue to make cross platforms because 17 millilon PS3s can't be ignored. PS3 will also continue to have 1st and 2nd party developers. Period.
The simple fact is this. It has been stated repeatedly that sony will finally break even this year with the consoles and actually start to make money. They're not going to give up on the console when just now it's starting to make money. Anything else the article is trying to intimate is nonsense, plain and simple. I would literally bet my home on that one. The PS3 is going nowhere. It will end up in 2nd or 3rd place at the end of this generation and have made a nice profit (though nowhere close to the Wii).
Blackbond
Sony will make no money off of the PS3 in all likelyhood. They lost more money with the PS3 then all the money they made with the PS2. That's two years in destroying all of what the PS2 accomplished. Now unless the PS3 is more of a financial success then the PS2 then they cannot make profit at all with the PS3 and I don't see the PS3 hitting 100million or anything near that. The PS3 is a financial disaster.
That wasn't my point though. The article made it sound like the PS3 was done and was simply going to give up. That's nonsense.
Sure, they may not make all the money they have lost back. That is very possible. However, they're not going to "go under" now, of all times, because this year they will finally start to make a profit. Thus, they can make back some of that money that they lost and begin filling their coffers for 2012 or so when they begin thinking about a PS4.
You're right, they've lost a ton of money, but they can and will make a lot of it back through the next three or four years as they finally start making profits and get out of the red from year to year during the remainder of the system's lifetime. If they simply gave up now, all that monetary loss would be for nothing. At least now that they will finally start making money off this thing they can recoup some of their losses and make some of their money back.
[QUOTE="Xalaten"]The PS3 is never going to make a profit. And the PS3 has lost more money than the PS2 ever made. If you'd like links, I can supply. But I recommend a simple google.I didn't read this whole monstrous thread so if I'm repeating this forgive me.
With that being said, did you even look at the graph? Every year since 2006 the PS3 has lost less money and this year it will start making money. How is that a bad thing? Of COURSE it doesn't sell as much as the 360 or Wii. The 360 has been out a year longer and his cheaper while the Wii is a freak of nature casual market money making machine.
I know the execs at PS3 would be happier making more money but the simple fact that they improved drastically in their monetary outlay from 2006 to 2007 to 2008 shows great promise for 2009 if trends continue (and they should with the huge games coming out next year as well as a probable mid to late year price cut).
Sony knows they can't win this generation. They allowed the 360 to get a year head start and the Wii is a freak of nature. However, I'm sure the execs know if trends continue as they have for the last three years they will make a fine profit on the PS3 and its games over the next 5 years.
Also, the article is hogwash. I'm shocked, literally SHOCKED they would say developers will stop making games for the PS3. It's nonsense. Sure, third party developers will make almost no more exclusives for the PS3 but they will continue to make cross platforms because 17 millilon PS3s can't be ignored. PS3 will also continue to have 1st and 2nd party developers. Period.
The simple fact is this. It has been stated repeatedly that sony will finally break even this year with the consoles and actually start to make money. They're not going to give up on the console when just now it's starting to make money. Anything else the article is trying to intimate is nonsense, plain and simple. I would literally bet my home on that one. The PS3 is going nowhere. It will end up in 2nd or 3rd place at the end of this generation and have made a nice profit (though nowhere close to the Wii).
Dreams-Visions
Let me be very clear with you about something. While the PS3 may never make back the money it has lost, it WILL make a yaer to year profit. Period. I'll bet my house on that. What that means is, for the following years, it will be out of the red (it has been in the red the last three years). They have already stated in article after article starting this year they will break even on each PS3 and finally start making a profit. Yes, they have dug a hole but now they will start to fill that hole in. Whether they fill it completely NO ONE knows, not you, not me, not Blackbond or Wall Street. They may not. That's entirely possible and more than likely probable. However, by the end of this console's life cycle they will not have lost as much as they have now and that's what currently matters to them, the bottom line.
Giving up now is accepting the billions they have lost and no company will do that when there is finally sun on the horizon.
[QUOTE="Theverydeepend"]Only way to turn the PS3 around is either having 2009 truely be an amazing gaming year or well... PS3 Lite Starting at 300 Dollars.Dreams-Visionsbut that's my thing: the PS3 had a truly amazing gaming year this year. when you really look back at it...it had games that should have sold a metric ton. and some did...but the buzz for LBP never got to where it should have...and people didn't buy R2 with at the velocity expected. I'm not sure if either were in the top 5 on NPD. Seriously...there wasn't much GAMERS could ask for in terms of a broad assortment of excellent games. yet...the energy isn't there. the sales pale in comparison to 360 sales of the same/similar games. Left 4 Dead (little known, little marketing money, little budget) smacked down Resistance 2 in sales. I just...I feel like Sony needs to conduct some focus group's of their apathetic PS3 owners and figure out what they need to make them buy games. Microsoft figured out the magic trick. Nintendo did as well.
Sony got everything they wanted with the PS3, to win the high definition format war. Now they can deal with it.
[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"] Alright boys, it seems like the PS3 can't get up from underneath a steady stream of bad decisions, bad breaks and bad PR. In order to turn this arms race around, I think Sony is going to have to go ahead anddo what they didn't want to do and cut the price of the console. Yes, they'll lose money in the short term. maybe a lot of money. but at this pace, they're going to further deepen their 3rd place hole, Ninja-HippoI dont think so. 3rd place is bad in system wars, but it doesnt mean much (If anything) in the real world. Sure the 360 sells more systems, and the wii sells many more systems, but that doesnt mean the PS3 is a dismal failure. Heck, they've only sold five million fewer than the 360 - very few publishers are goin to ignore the system and develop exclusively on the 360 because of a user base difference of just five million.
You're right that marketshare can certainly be overstated as a measure of success. I mean, the PSP is way behind the DS, but I'd say it's a pretty successful platform, all things considered.
But when you take into account that the Playstation 2 was the clear market leader last generation, and that the PS3 is losing billions for Sony, it's hard to paint such a rosy picture for the platform, at least from a business standpoint.
If all is doom and gloom why doesint Sony cut its lossess and stop production on the PS3? Pack it up and go home?
The PS3 is the funnest financial disaster I have ever played :P.
In all seriousness I was not joking with the first question. For those who are better at economics and all that junk can you explain why if Sony is headed for financial ruin with the PS3, they continue to spend money making them and developing for it?
The PS3 needs to continue to be around to promote Blu-Ray and help Sony maintain a presence in the console marketplace for the PS4. Even if the PS3 was never going to turn a profit, they would likely still want it around for these functions.I dont think so. 3rd place is bad in system wars, but it doesnt mean much (If anything) in the real world. Sure the 360 sells more systems, and the wii sells many more systems, but that doesnt mean the PS3 is a dismal failure. Heck, they've only sold five million fewer than the 360 - very few publishers are goin to ignore the system and develop exclusively on the 360 because of a user base difference of just five million.[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"] Alright boys, it seems like the PS3 can't get up from underneath a steady stream of bad decisions, bad breaks and bad PR. In order to turn this arms race around, I think Sony is going to have to go ahead anddo what they didn't want to do and cut the price of the console. Yes, they'll lose money in the short term. maybe a lot of money. but at this pace, they're going to further deepen their 3rd place hole, sonicmj1
You're right that marketshare can certainly be overstated as a measure of success. I mean, the PSP is way behind the DS, but I'd say it's a pretty successful platform, all things considered.
But when you take into account that the Playstation 2 was the clear market leader last generation, and that the PS3 is losing billions for Sony, it's hard to paint such a rosy picture for the platform, at least from a business standpoint.
This I can agree with.[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="Xalaten"]The PS3 is never going to make a profit. And the PS3 has lost more money than the PS2 ever made. If you'd like links, I can supply. But I recommend a simple google.I didn't read this whole monstrous thread so if I'm repeating this forgive me.
With that being said, did you even look at the graph? Every year since 2006 the PS3 has lost less money and this year it will start making money. How is that a bad thing? Of COURSE it doesn't sell as much as the 360 or Wii. The 360 has been out a year longer and his cheaper while the Wii is a freak of nature casual market money making machine.
I know the execs at PS3 would be happier making more money but the simple fact that they improved drastically in their monetary outlay from 2006 to 2007 to 2008 shows great promise for 2009 if trends continue (and they should with the huge games coming out next year as well as a probable mid to late year price cut).
Sony knows they can't win this generation. They allowed the 360 to get a year head start and the Wii is a freak of nature. However, I'm sure the execs know if trends continue as they have for the last three years they will make a fine profit on the PS3 and its games over the next 5 years.
Also, the article is hogwash. I'm shocked, literally SHOCKED they would say developers will stop making games for the PS3. It's nonsense. Sure, third party developers will make almost no more exclusives for the PS3 but they will continue to make cross platforms because 17 millilon PS3s can't be ignored. PS3 will also continue to have 1st and 2nd party developers. Period.
The simple fact is this. It has been stated repeatedly that sony will finally break even this year with the consoles and actually start to make money. They're not going to give up on the console when just now it's starting to make money. Anything else the article is trying to intimate is nonsense, plain and simple. I would literally bet my home on that one. The PS3 is going nowhere. It will end up in 2nd or 3rd place at the end of this generation and have made a nice profit (though nowhere close to the Wii).
Xalaten
Let me be very clear with you about something. While the PS3 may never make back the money it has lost, it WILL make a yaer to year profit. Period. I'll bet my house on that. What that means is, for the following years, it will be out of the red (it has been in the red the last three years). They have already stated in article after article starting this year they will break even on each PS3 and finally start making a profit. Yes, they have dug a hole but now they will start to fill that hole in. Whether they fill it completely NO ONE knows, not you, not me, not Blackbond or Wall Street. They may not. That's entirely possible and more than likely probable. However, by the end of this console's life cycle they will not have lost as much as they have now and that's what currently matters to them, the bottom line.
Giving up now is accepting the billions they have lost and no company will do that when there is finally sun on the horizon.
they may make a year-to-year profit one day, but it won't be next year. and regardless, it's crazy to think that with all the millions of PS2's sold, the money made from that time could be wiped away in 2 short years by the PS3.[QUOTE="Xalaten"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"] The PS3 is never going to make a profit. And the PS3 has lost more money than the PS2 ever made. If you'd like links, I can supply. But I recommend a simple google.Dreams-Visions
Let me be very clear with you about something. While the PS3 may never make back the money it has lost, it WILL make a yaer to year profit. Period. I'll bet my house on that. What that means is, for the following years, it will be out of the red (it has been in the red the last three years). They have already stated in article after article starting this year they will break even on each PS3 and finally start making a profit. Yes, they have dug a hole but now they will start to fill that hole in. Whether they fill it completely NO ONE knows, not you, not me, not Blackbond or Wall Street. They may not. That's entirely possible and more than likely probable. However, by the end of this console's life cycle they will not have lost as much as they have now and that's what currently matters to them, the bottom line.
Giving up now is accepting the billions they have lost and no company will do that when there is finally sun on the horizon.
they may make a year-to-year profit one day, but it won't be next year. and regardless, it's crazy to think that with all the millions of PS2's sold, the money made from that time could be wiped away in 2 short years by the PS3. Why do people keep ignoring this point!?! Not only are they losing money with the PS3 but they spent ALL OF THE MONEY they made from the PS1 and PS2. So as a lifetime whole - sony's gaming division has lost money!! And that is after several hundred million console sales and winning the last 2 generations. That just blows me away!!!![QUOTE="tek91"][QUOTE="Gh0st_Of_0nyx"]I think the nail in the ps3's coffin came when they lost FF13. If sony can no longer keep one of its flagship franchises exclusive anymore that gives you a good idea of how far of a hole they have dug themselves with the ps3. These "Must have" exclusives are coming and going cow's and I still dont see the huge sales that were supposed to come with them. KZ2 and GT5 wont save the ps3 nothing will. Its coming in last this generation cow's and I think its about time you accepted that.Gh0st_Of_0nyx
I don't think so the nail is the cost sony has alot of exclusives that people want like MGS 4 and Little big Planet and killzone and they have alot of 360 games like Ninja Gaiden "which btw I always wanted to be on PS 3" and Bioshock and Saints Row it's not about the games the PS 3 has a way better library than 360 I mean they have games coming out in 09 360 doesnt have anything its the cost alone thats doing them harm.
So basically what your saying is It dosent matter that sony loses exclusive titles left and right because we have KZ2 and MGS4 :?No it doesn't it would matter if Sony lost the exclusivity but sony will still have those games and like I said many of the 360 came to the PS 3.
Didn't you learn that by how the PS 3 was beating the 360 when it lowered it's price ?
I don't care if Sony makes a dollar off the PS3, I own no stock in Sony. They were more concerned about winning the HD format war and using the PS3 name to put Blu-Ray players in peoples living rooms. Just like Nintendo decided to appeal to casuals with their gimmick system, and Microsoft in a effort to take down Sony pushed a faulty system on to the market. All three have their own agenda and the real losers have been us the gamer. Wether you a sony fan waiting for a year for a decent game, or a Nintendo fan waiting for them to throw you a Mario, Zelda, or Metrioid bone, or XBOX fan sending your third system in for repair.
As long as good games keep coming to the PS3 I will be happy.
I don't care if Sony makes a dollar off the PS3, I own no stock in Sony. They were more concerned about winning the HD format war and using the PS3 name to put Blu-Ray players in peoples living rooms. Just like Nintendo decided to appeal to casuals with their gimmick system, and Microsoft in a effort to take down Sony pushed a faulty system on to the market. All three have their own agenda and the real losers have been us the gamer. Wether you a sony fan waiting for a year for a decent game, or a Nintendo fan waiting for them to throw you a Mario, Zelda, or Metrioid bone, or XBOX fan sending your third system in for repair. y
As long as good games keep coming to the PS3 I will be happy.
MrHenadonia
bravo this is the best post I seen so far in this thread seriously bravo
[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="Xalaten"]they may make a year-to-year profit one day, but it won't be next year. and regardless, it's crazy to think that with all the millions of PS2's sold, the money made from that time could be wiped away in 2 short years by the PS3. Why do people keep ignoring this point!?! Not only are they losing money with the PS3 but they spent ALL OF THE MONEY they made from the PS1 and PS2. So as a lifetime whole - sony's gaming division has lost money!! And that is after several hundred million console sales and winning the last 2 generations. That just blows me away!!!! it's hard to even fathom. how they could squander away that kind of money so rapidly. Unthinkable. Really, it is. the profits made off of 300,000,000 sold consoles. gone in 2 years (+ R&D time)Let me be very clear with you about something. While the PS3 may never make back the money it has lost, it WILL make a yaer to year profit. Period. I'll bet my house on that. What that means is, for the following years, it will be out of the red (it has been in the red the last three years). They have already stated in article after article starting this year they will break even on each PS3 and finally start making a profit. Yes, they have dug a hole but now they will start to fill that hole in. Whether they fill it completely NO ONE knows, not you, not me, not Blackbond or Wall Street. They may not. That's entirely possible and more than likely probable. However, by the end of this console's life cycle they will not have lost as much as they have now and that's what currently matters to them, the bottom line.
Giving up now is accepting the billions they have lost and no company will do that when there is finally sun on the horizon.
DeerhunterIA
The PS3 is doing fine it has sold more than the 360 given the time frame and at nearly double the price at that micky4889Do not disgrace yourself why would you force yourself to believe a lie like that.Its painfully and plainly obvious that SONY is not in good shape right now,what you should say is you HOPE that they have a strong stratergy going into next year if your a SONY fan
[QUOTE="Gh0st_Of_0nyx"][QUOTE="tek91"]So basically what your saying is It dosent matter that sony loses exclusive titles left and right because we have KZ2 and MGS4 :?I don't think so the nail is the cost sony has alot of exclusives that people want like MGS 4 and Little big Planet and killzone and they have alot of 360 games like Ninja Gaiden "which btw I always wanted to be on PS 3" and Bioshock and Saints Row it's not about the games the PS 3 has a way better library than 360 I mean they have games coming out in 09 360 doesnt have anything its the cost alone thats doing them harm.
tek91
No it doesn't it would matter if Sony lost the exclusivity but sony will still have those games and like I said many of the 360 came to the PS 3.
Didn't you learn that by how the PS 3 was beating the 360 when it lowered it's price ?
You mean the multiplat games that no one cared about came to the ps3 right :lol: Bioshock is nowere near the level of a FF game going to the 360. The ps3 isnt beating the 360 in sales now or will it ever, why cant you cow's except that and move on or better yet "Jump in"[QUOTE="tek91"][QUOTE="Gh0st_Of_0nyx"] So basically what your saying is It dosent matter that sony loses exclusive titles left and right because we have KZ2 and MGS4 :?Gh0st_Of_0nyx
No it doesn't it would matter if Sony lost the exclusivity but sony will still have those games and like I said many of the 360 came to the PS 3.
Didn't you learn that by how the PS 3 was beating the 360 when it lowered it's price ?
You mean the multiplat games that no one cared about came to the ps3 right :lol: Bioshock is nowere near the level of a FF game going to the 360. The ps3 isnt beating the 360 in sales now or will it ever, why cant you cow's except that and move on or better yet "Jump in"How do you feel about FF versus?
The PS3 is doing fine it has sold more than the 360 given the time frame and at nearly double the price at that micky4889
keep telling yourself that
ps3 is getting a price drop next year so be prepared for a boost in the charts. PrinceofSarcasm
wishful thinking
[QUOTE="McdonaIdsGuy"][QUOTE="jakarai"]If Sony can get a $299 PS3 on the market next year PS3 will be fine. PS3 has an awesome lineup of games coming Sony is going to own next year. I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft announces the new Xbox next year because of all the domination they will be getting from PS3!jakaraiHahaha sony fanboys are so funny haven't this being said since 2005? In 2005 we didn't have a $300 PS3 on the market with MGS 4, GT 5, Infamous, Killzone 2, White Knight Chronicles, M.A.G.Final Fantasy XIII, Heavy Rain, trophy support in all games, and the full verison of Home. Hopefully next year all that will change. :D
no, back then you were all hyping lair, haze...
[QUOTE="PrinceofSarcasm"]ps3 is getting a price drop next year so be prepared for a boost in the charts. CheckingAvailab
wishful thinking
why is that wishful thinking all machines eventually lower it's prices,especially with sony now making profit so what is gonna be 360s comeback the 360 for $40 which makes a good price for a system so broken.
rrod cheap equipment and cheap price deserve each other
You all keep forgetting the PS 3 was outselling the 360 when it lowered it's price last time and Sony remembers that.
Oh and as a total sidenote, The PS3 did indeed lose more money on the PS3 than was made during the entire PS2 lifespan. that's a damn shame.Dreams-Visions
bu but ps3 is doing good!! :cry:
Hope is fading for 360 owners, your 2009 lineup is miserable and you system keeps breaking down. If sales makes you happy, then by all means take solace in that, because that's about all you have to look forward to, lol.
p2250
you sony fanboys say that every single year, but it turns out that it's the ps3 that's almost dead :lol:
I think it all comes down to BC. They walked away from it. I bought my PS3 during the $100 gift card promotion from Wal-mart. Got it home, opened it up and realized it was no longer BC. I had to bring it back and get a 60GB off of ebay. The biggest point these systms had was the BC. You never had that during the cartridge days. People are just not happy throwing away all those ps2 games. Besides, sony is still supporting the ps2 with new games. As painful as it is, everyone else (x-box and gamecube) stopped supporting their older consoles. Sony just can't seem to figure it out. They also lost out to Microsoft on some DLC.
btw. I do like by ps3!
[QUOTE="CheckingAvailab"][QUOTE="PrinceofSarcasm"]ps3 is getting a price drop next year so be prepared for a boost in the charts. tek91
wishful thinking
why is that wishful thinking all machines eventually lower it's prices,especially with sony now making profit so what is gonna be 360s comeback the 360 for $40 which makes a good price for a system so broken.
rrod cheap equipment and cheap price deserve each other
You all keep forgetting the PS 3 was outselling the 360 when it lowered it's price last time and Sony remembers that.
keep spinning, it won't change the fact that ps3 is getting outsold by its competitions, sony lost more on ps3 than it made on ps2, and it had to fire 8000 workers to survive
keep spinning, it won't change the fact that ps3 is getting outsold by its competitions, sony lost more on ps3 than it made on ps2, and it had to fire 8000 workers to survive
CheckingAvailab
Sony did not "fire" 8,000 employees. They were laid-off. There is a difference from being laid-off than being fired. These employees were did not lose their jobs because of incompetency, but due to cost-cutting.
keep spinning, it won't change the fact that ps3 is getting outsold by its competitions, sony lost more on ps3 than it made on ps2, and it had to fire 8000 workers to survive
The point is it outsells the 360 with every price drop and that's the truth, whether you like it or not so that's the only thing they have to focus on.
the PS 2 and PS 1 money lost is ancient history that has not made them poor they still have billions do you know that Sony is also an electronic king and blue ray is doing good all they need is a price cut and they are back to the beginning of 2008 with PS 3 outselling 360 and you know when the killer exclusives come and a price drop all this gloom and doom talk I guarantee u guys will be quiet.
I know what you are gonna say (its gonna happen) blah blah blah, but it dont take an einstein to figure out that the lineup for 08 and 09 is way better on the PS 3 and that Sony with a reasonable price can make alot of money for them and outsell 360.
forget wii I think noone can compete with wii though lol but pS 3 and 360 are close
[QUOTE="Gh0st_Of_0nyx"][QUOTE="tek91"]You mean the multiplat games that no one cared about came to the ps3 right :lol: Bioshock is nowere near the level of a FF game going to the 360. The ps3 isnt beating the 360 in sales now or will it ever, why cant you cow's except that and move on or better yet "Jump in"No it doesn't it would matter if Sony lost the exclusivity but sony will still have those games and like I said many of the 360 came to the PS 3.
Didn't you learn that by how the PS 3 was beating the 360 when it lowered it's price ?
Lewisite
How do you feel about FF versus?
And how would a spinoff to FF13 save the ps3 ?:roll: I could care less about FF13 or Versus honestly Im just using them as examples of the ps3 downfal
[QUOTE="AgentA-Mi6"]We reached a point where no matter how good are the games released for the system, people still wont buy it because its more expensive than the other twono_handlebarsYou know why they call it the PS3? Because you got to take 3 jobs to pay for one. *RIMSHOT* :lol: That's a good one. :lol:
[QUOTE="Blackbond"]The bolded line is just so amazing. Also it is not even just like 2 gens of profits wiped out but 2 gens that destroyed every other console are wiped out. We are talking about 260 million consoles compined that in two years the PS3 wiped out.Realisitically going by that article dreams posted there is no way in hell the PS3 can become profitable this gen. It just can't happen. Erasing almost two decades of profit from the PS1 and PS2. There is no way in hell they can profit. As far as financial disasters if that article is accurate the PS3 is a bigger blunder then the xbox.
I mean two generations of profits wiped out in 2 years? Omg.....
rybe1025
"ps3 is doing fine" :lol:
LOL, the PS3=EPIC fail
[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]I want the Disappointment Timeline brought back.sonicmj1
You mean, this disappointment timeline?
Google is very kind.
holy crap!!! :shock: what a sight
in that thread i even see sony fanboys going "wait till 07" LOL.
[QUOTE="sonicmj1"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]I want the Disappointment Timeline brought back.CheckingAvailab
You mean, this disappointment timeline?
Google is very kind.
holy crap!!! :shock: what a sight
in that thread i even see sony fanboys going "wait till 07" LOL.
keep spinning, it won't change the fact that ps3 is getting outsold by its competitions, sony lost more on ps3 than it made on ps2, and it had to fire 8000 workers to survive
The point is it outsells the 360 with every price drop and that's the truth, whether you like it or not so that's the only thing they have to focus on.
tek91
and the 360 outsells ps3 even more when it has a price drop, so ps3 isn't getting anywhere. What's sad is that sony can't even afford a price drop for ps3 right now. just wait right?
and the 360 outsells ps3 even more when it has a price drop, so ps3 isn't getting anywhere. What's sad is that sony can't even afford a price drop for ps3 right now. just wait right?
the difference is when the PS 3 had it's price drop it was still higher than the 360 yet still outsold it, when the 360 gets a price drop it goes from cheap to cheaper.
the only way the 360 will compete when PS 3 has it's next price drop is give out it's system for free.
btw that's the only way ill get a 360
and the 360 outsells ps3 even more when it has a price drop, so ps3 isn't getting anywhere. What's sad is that sony can't even afford a price drop for ps3 right now. just wait right?
the difference is when the PS 3 had it's price drop it was still higher than the 360 yet still outsold it, when the 360 gets a price drop it goes from cheap to cheaper.
the only way the 360 will compete when PS 3 has it's next price drop is give out it's system for free.
btw that's the only way ill get a 360
tek91
it's always assumptions, predictions, and "just wait" with you ps3 fanboys :lol:
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