Well, that didn't take long, PC gets GDDR5 system RAM support

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[QUOTE="MstaPrimeMnista"] there are plenty of people here who were in the thread who will back me so.......MstaPrimeMnista

This guy is just awesome :lol:

Yeah, you win dude. Game over man, game over.

[QUOTE="Inconsistancy"][QUOTE="MstaPrimeMnista"] Because its the most powerful GPU on the market. Which is why everyone is saying PS4 > PC from now on.MstaPrimeMnista

Heres one of the links: It is by far the most powerful APU we have built to date, it leverages [intellectual property] that you will find in our A-series APUs later this year, our new generation of APUs but none that will quite be to that level of sheer number of cores, sheer number of teraflops." http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/amd-says-ps4-s-apu-is-by-far-the-most-powerful-it-has-ever-built/0111609MstaPrimeMnista

Heres one of the links: It is by far the most powerful APU we have built to date, it leverages [intellectual property] that you will find in our A-series APUs later this year, our new generation of APUs but none that will quite be to that level of sheer number of cores, sheer number of teraflops." http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/amd-says-ps4-s-apu-is-by-far-the-most-powerful-it-has-ever-built/0111609MstaPrimeMnista

[QUOTE="MstaPrimeMnista"][QUOTE="Inconsistancy"] Most powerful APU, and it's not on the market (yet). The most powerful GPU's are the 7970/Titan.MstaPrimeMnista

Why are you responding to your own post? And wat? 7970 = 4.1-4.3tflops, PS4 = 1.84tflops, now... I may be no mathematician, but I think I can guess which is more powerful.

"Don't try to pull a lemming"? I don't even own an Xbox (not even the original (anymore)).

Not to mention the new 4k TVs sony is bringing out soon ;).MstaPrimeMnista

Heres one of the links: It is by far the most powerful APU we have built to date, it leverages [intellectual property] that you will find in our A-series APUs later this year, our new generation of APUs but none that will quite be to that level of sheer number of cores, sheer number of teraflops." http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/amd-says-ps4-s-apu-is-by-far-the-most-powerful-it-has-ever-built/0111609MstaPrimeMnista

Too bad APUs to date don't perform anywhere near as well as dedicated CPU and GPU, No one in pc games cares about APUs

Not to mention the new 4k TVs sony is bringing out soon ;).MstaPrimeMnista

[QUOTE="MstaPrimeMnista"]Heres one of the links: It is by far the most powerful APU we have built to date, it leverages [intellectual property] that you will find in our A-series APUs later this year, our new generation of APUs but none that will quite be to that level of sheer number of cores, sheer number of teraflops." http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/amd-says-ps4-s-apu-is-by-far-the-most-powerful-it-has-ever-built/0111609toast_burner

Heres one of the links: It is by far the most powerful APU we have built to date, it leverages [intellectual property] that you will find in our A-series APUs later this year, our new generation of APUs but none that will quite be to that level of sheer number of cores, sheer number of teraflops." http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/amd-says-ps4-s-apu-is-by-far-the-most-powerful-it-has-ever-built/0111609MstaPrimeMnista

And that confirmes what? That AMD has built the most powerful APU in AMD's history?

HOLY CRAP!

Anyway, you do know the difference between APU and GPU, right?

[QUOTE="MstaPrimeMnista"]Heres one of the links: It is by far the most powerful APU we have built to date, it leverages [intellectual property] that you will find in our A-series APUs later this year, our new generation of APUs but none that will quite be to that level of sheer number of cores, sheer number of teraflops." http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/amd-says-ps4-s-apu-is-by-far-the-most-powerful-it-has-ever-built/0111609_Matt_

Too bad APUs to date don't perform anywhere near as well as dedicated CPU and GPU, No one in pc games cares about APUs

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[QUOTE="MstaPrimeMnista"]Heres one of the links: It is by far the most powerful APU we have built to date, it leverages [intellectual property] that you will find in our A-series APUs later this year, our new generation of APUs but none that will quite be to that level of sheer number of cores, sheer number of teraflops." http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/amd-says-ps4-s-apu-is-by-far-the-most-powerful-it-has-ever-built/0111609MstaPrimeMnista

If it's only 1.84TFlops then it isn't the best. Case solved.

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="MstaPrimeMnista"]Heres one of the links: It is by far the most powerful APU we have built to date, it leverages [intellectual property] that you will find in our A-series APUs later this year, our new generation of APUs but none that will quite be to that level of sheer number of cores, sheer number of teraflops." http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/amd-says-ps4-s-apu-is-by-far-the-most-powerful-it-has-ever-built/0111609MstaPrimeMnista

If it's only 1.84TFlops then it isn't the best. Case solved.

[QUOTE="MstaPrimeMnista"]Heres one of the links: It is by far the most powerful APU we have built to date, it leverages [intellectual property] that you will find in our A-series APUs later this year, our new generation of APUs but none that will quite be to that level of sheer number of cores, sheer number of teraflops." http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/amd-says-ps4-s-apu-is-by-far-the-most-powerful-it-has-ever-built/0111609IgGy621985

And that confirmes what? That AMD has built the most powerful APU in AMD's history?

HOLY CRAP!

Anyway, you do know the difference between APU and GPU, right?

[QUOTE="MstaPrimeMnista"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]No but why would you want to?Inconsistancy

[QUOTE="IgGy621985"]

[QUOTE="MstaPrimeMnista"]Heres one of the links: It is by far the most powerful APU we have built to date, it leverages [intellectual property] that you will find in our A-series APUs later this year, our new generation of APUs but none that will quite be to that level of sheer number of cores, sheer number of teraflops." http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/amd-says-ps4-s-apu-is-by-far-the-most-powerful-it-has-ever-built/0111609MstaPrimeMnista

And that confirmes what? That AMD has built the most powerful APU in AMD's history?

HOLY CRAP!

Anyway, you do know the difference between APU and GPU, right?

Basically, you don't know. Thanks for answering.

[QUOTE="_Matt_"]

[QUOTE="MstaPrimeMnista"]Heres one of the links: It is by far the most powerful APU we have built to date, it leverages [intellectual property] that you will find in our A-series APUs later this year, our new generation of APUs but none that will quite be to that level of sheer number of cores, sheer number of teraflops." http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/amd-says-ps4-s-apu-is-by-far-the-most-powerful-it-has-ever-built/0111609MstaPrimeMnista

Too bad APUs to date don't perform anywhere near as well as dedicated CPU and GPU, No one in pc games cares about APUs

No, an APU is still an APU, it's a combined CPU and GPU setup. A dedicated CPU and GPU will outperform. It's essentially the equivilent of an integrated graphics card in laptops! 

You're pulling a load of nonsense out of your behind. The specs also speak for themselves, at the end of it, the PS4 has a mid range 8 core CPU running at max 2GHz, and a GPU pushing out 1.84TFPs, which is about the same as a standard 120 quid graphics card, nothing special.

[QUOTE="Inconsistancy"][QUOTE="MstaPrimeMnista"] Because its the most powerful GPU on the market. Which is why everyone is saying PS4 > PC from now on.faizan_faizan

And the top two, single gpu's, are the Titan/7970~=680

The 690 is two 680 gpu's slapped onto the same PCB.

[QUOTE="MstaPrimeMnista"][QUOTE="IgGy621985"]

And that confirmes what? That AMD has built the most powerful APU in AMD's history?

HOLY CRAP!

Anyway, you do know the difference between APU and GPU, right?

Basically, you don't know. Thanks for answering.

[QUOTE="MstaPrimeMnista"][QUOTE="_Matt_"]

Too bad APUs to date don't perform anywhere near as well as dedicated CPU and GPU, No one in pc games cares about APUs

No, an APU is still an APU, it's a combined CPU and GPU setup. A dedicated CPU and GPU will outperform. It's essentially the equivilent of an integrated graphics card in laptops! 

You're pulling a load of nonsense out of your behind. The specs also speak for themselves, at the end of it, the PS4 has a mid range 8 core CPU running at max 2GHz, and a GPU pushing out 1.84TFPs, which is about the same as a standard 120 quid graphics card, nothing special.

[QUOTE="IgGy621985"]

[QUOTE="MstaPrimeMnista"] Everyone knows Radeon GPUS are the best, and in case you dont know the difference between APU and GPU its explained in one of the links for you as well.MstaPrimeMnista

Basically, you don't know. Thanks for answering.

Dude, let me put it in this way. You post crap you're not informed about or you just don't know what you're talking about and we answer to you with concrete, legit and sane numbers, quotes, links, comparisons, whatever. You were owned multiple times.

The bottom line is: if you're just a troll - you're doing it wrong. If you're actually trying to defend your statements, then you're doing a terrible job and just making a fool of yourself.

[QUOTE="_Matt_"]

[QUOTE="MstaPrimeMnista"] First of all, no one in PC has access to this level of APU, second of all, the PS4 still has its own dedicated CPU, as well as 8gb GDDR5 RAM aside from the GPU memory controller which also uses GDDR5 tech. The GPU being complimented with extra processing power which includes 8 CPU cores is not a bad thing, and dont make it sound like one. PC gamers wish they could get there hands on this, but like its been stated, it wont happen not even for the upcoming new releases.MstaPrimeMnista

No, an APU is still an APU, it's a combined CPU and GPU setup. A dedicated CPU and GPU will outperform. It's essentially the equivilent of an integrated graphics card in laptops! 

You're pulling a load of nonsense out of your behind. The specs also speak for themselves, at the end of it, the PS4 has a mid range 8 core CPU running at max 2GHz, and a GPU pushing out 1.84TFPs, which is about the same as a standard 120 quid graphics card, nothing special.

You seem pretty bad at this 'reading and comprehension' thing. 

wow your trying so hard it's embarrassing :lol:

who would have thought that the lems and herms would be so butthurt and jelly over the PS4's 8GB of unified GDDR5 ram.    :lol:

So if you care enough about this GDDR5 thing, you will be able to have it on a PC.

Long story short: when DDR4 arrives, GDDR5 will be rendered irrelevant. Quote:

"Once the DDR4 memory comes along the advantages of GDDR5 start to diminish again. DDR4 will enable higher densities at comparable speeds as well as upgradeable modules which might be more desirable for customers."

Also

GDDR6 Memory Coming in 2014

IgGy621985

Titan/7970 are both almost 3 times faster than the PS4, hell the Titan has nearly the same amount of Ram built into the card as the PS4 has in it's system.

 

No, an APU is still an APU, it's a combined CPU and GPU setup. A dedicated CPU and GPU will outperform. It's essentially the equivilent of an integrated graphics card in laptops! 

You're pulling a load of nonsense out of your behind. The specs also speak for themselves, at the end of it, the PS4 has a mid range 8 core CPU running at max 2GHz, and a GPU pushing out 1.84TFPs, which is about the same as a standard 120 quid graphics card, nothing special.

_Matt_

Why would you even want GDDR5 ram apart from on a graphic card in a PC anyway?

Newhopes

Intel Xeon Phi says Hi i.e. "many core" X86 based processors with GDDR5 memory.

Note that my AMD APU based tablet has soldered memory. AMD Kaveri APU with soldered memory would be suitable for ultra-thin laptops i.e. Apple already surface mount thier memory chips for thier ultra books. http://appleinsider.com/articles/12/06/13/teardown_of_retina_display_macbook_pro_finds_soldered_ram_propreitary_ssd

I don't mind buying a quad-core AMD Streamroller** with Radeon HD 7750 level GPU and GGDR5 shared memory in a ultra-thin laptop.

**Intel Core i5 Sandybridge Quad-Core/4 threads level i.e. 16 instruction issue (retire) per cycle instead of Quad Core Piledriver's 8 instruction issue (retire) per cycle.

[QUOTE="_Matt_"]

 

No, an APU is still an APU, it's a combined CPU and GPU setup. A dedicated CPU and GPU will outperform. It's essentially the equivilent of an integrated graphics card in laptops! 

You're pulling a load of nonsense out of your behind. The specs also speak for themselves, at the end of it, the PS4 has a mid range 8 core CPU running at max 2GHz, and a GPU pushing out 1.84TFPs, which is about the same as a standard 120 quid graphics card, nothing special.

tormentos

So if you care enough about this GDDR5 thing, you will be able to have it on a PC.

Long story short: when DDR4 arrives, GDDR5 will be rendered irrelevant. Quote:

"Once the DDR4 memory comes along the advantages of GDDR5 start to diminish again. DDR4 will enable higher densities at comparable speeds as well as upgradeable modules which might be more desirable for customers."

Also

GDDR6 Memory Coming in 2014

IgGy621985

Did you even read the article you linked to? The PCs will use DDR5 with only a 128-bit interface, so that would give them a memory bandwidth of 56GB/s.

The PS4 uses a 256-bit interface and has a memory bandwidth of 176GB/s. That is 3X as fast. 

Further, the max amount of memory that these DDR5 PCs will be capable of is 4GBs.

By comparison the PS4 will have 8 GB of DDR5. 

There is no comparison but I guess you may have fooled those who didn't bother to read the article. 

Titan/7970 are both almost 3 times faster than the PS4, hell the Titan has nearly the same amount of Ram built into the card as the PS4 has in it's system.

Newhopes

Thats nice, you still cant get the custom made GPU that comes with the PS4, which includes 8CPU cores.MstaPrimeMnista

8 core AMD Jags only has 16 X86 instruction issue per cycle @ 1.6 to 2.0Ghz.

Quad core AMD Streamroller also has 16 X86 instruction issue per cycle @ ~1.6 to ~4.0Ghz.

AMD Streamroller would be AMD's first Intel Core iX class CPU design i.e. quad instruction issue (retire) per cycle per core. Current AMD Jag and AMD Piledriver has dual instruction issue (retire) per cycle per core.

Quad core AMD Streamroller @2.2Ghz would be faster than 8 core AMD Jags @2.0Ghz.

AMD Streamroller Quad-core/4 threads would be similar to Intel Core i5 Sandybridge Quad-core/4 threads.

PS; retire = completion rates.

Don't piss in the cows cornflakes.

 

The peasants don't often get moments to stand tall.

tenaka2

[QUOTE="_Matt_"]

 

No, an APU is still an APU, it's a combined CPU and GPU setup. A dedicated CPU and GPU will outperform. It's essentially the equivilent of an integrated graphics card in laptops! 

You're pulling a load of nonsense out of your behind. The specs also speak for themselves, at the end of it, the PS4 has a mid range 8 core CPU running at max 2GHz, and a GPU pushing out 1.84TFPs, which is about the same as a standard 120 quid graphics card, nothing special.

tormentos

Oh dear, good luck getting a GTX690 and I7 into an APU... IT CANNOT YET BE DONE!!! The reason APUs can be done, is because they use less powerful and demanding specs, that generate less heat and can thus be combined together to form a symbiotic relationship between the 2, sharing resources. If you put a GTX690 and a a high end i7 on a single chip it would cause major problems! Yes, when combined into an APU, they work together really well, but that still doesn't change the fact that you jhave to sacrifice specs in the first place to put into an APU.

This is why having separate parts will always kick APUs butt, because you CAN have a GTX690 and i7 in this instance.

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

Don't piss in the cows cornflakes.

 

The peasants don't often get moments to stand tall.

Blaz3_fox

with a console only marginally stronger than the Wii U.Blaz3_fox

 

Oh dear, good luck getting a GTX690 and I7 into an APU... IT CANNOT YET BE DONE!!! The reason APUs can be done, is because they use less powerful and demanding specs, that generate less heat and can thus be combined together to form a symbiotic relationship between the 2, sharing resources. If you put a GTX690 and a a high end i7 on a single chip it would cause major problems! Yes, when combined into an APU, they work together really well, but that still doesn't change the fact that you jhave to sacrifice specs in the first place to put into an APU.

 

This is why having separate parts will always kick APUs butt, because you CAN have a GTX690 and i7 in this instance.

_Matt_

I see the regular trolls running their mouths.clyde46

[QUOTE="_Matt_"]

 

Oh dear, good luck getting a GTX690 and I7 into an APU... IT CANNOT YET BE DONE!!! The reason APUs can be done, is because they use less powerful and demanding specs, that generate less heat and can thus be combined together to form a symbiotic relationship between the 2, sharing resources. If you put a GTX690 and a a high end i7 on a single chip it would cause major problems! Yes, when combined into an APU, they work together really well, but that still doesn't change the fact that you jhave to sacrifice specs in the first place to put into an APU.

 

This is why having separate parts will always kick APUs butt, because you CAN have a GTX690 and i7 in this instance.

tormentos

I think we are both missing each other's points here. Yes, they would perform better on an APU compared to a standard setup I agree, it makes the best out of those specs, with shared memory, and fast bandwidth - as I said: a symbiotic relationship. 

But you missed my point that to form an APU (as of present day), only energy efficient parts can be used, there can be no equivilent of the high end hardware used, which immediately puts the PS4 at disadvantage. Don't get me wrong, I am excited for the PS4, and for consoles, it's architecture seems very very logical to me; but comparing it to pc and saying that just because the PS4 has an APU makes it superior to PCs....... Just not even worth comparing.

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"] Note that MS Windows also gains AMD's HSA stack and it has MS's support.tormentos

And I posted HSA benchmark from AMD that listed AMD Trinity APU running HSA software stack.

http://developer.amd.com/resources/heterogeneous-computing/what-is-heterogeneous-system-architecture-hsa/

The HSA team at AMD analyzed the performance of Haar Face Detect, a commonly used multi-stage video analysis algorithm used to identify faces in a video stream. The team compared a CPU/GPU implementation in OpenCL against an HSA implementation. The HSA version seamlessly shares data between CPU and GPU, without memory copies or cache flushes because it assigns each part of the workload to the most appropriate processor with minimal dispatch overhead. The net result was a 2.3x relative performance gain at a 2.4x reduced power level*. This level of performance is not possible using only multicore CPU, only GPU, or even combined CPU and GPU with todays driver model. Just as important, it is done using simple extensions to C++, not a totally different programming model.

HW Configuration

• 4GB RAM; Windows 7 (64-bit); OpenCL 1.1
• APU: AMD A10 4600M with Radeon HD Graphics
• CPU: 4 cores @ 2.3 MHz (turbo 3.2 GHz)
• GPU: AMD Radeon HD 7660G, 6 compute units, 685MHz

AMD Trinity's IGP is AMD Cayman type GPU i.e. VLIW design with 64 ALU per CU while AMD GCN has SIMD based 64 ALU per CU.

AMD Cayman falls between AMD Cypress (VLIW5, 80 ALU per CU) and AMD GCN.

AMD plans to support existing AMD users with back ported HSA driver i.e. for AMD Trinity/Richland APU.

And that confirmes what? That AMD has built the most powerful APU in AMD's history?

HOLY CRAP!

Anyway, you do know the difference between APU and GPU, right?

 

IgGy621985