Well, that didn't take long, PC gets GDDR5 system RAM support

[QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

your self projection is too obvious

wis3boi

Im not the one making threads trying to discredit a console that will probably cost less then $500 .  You guys are so pathetic its embarrassing .

Don't you have school to go to?

I have a college degree, a job and a house. While you are limited to posting the same YouTube videos that the rest of you basement dwellers find amusing. You guys do this every generation and it really is pathetic.  When the PS3 came out it was "The cell is all hype my 2 year old CPU is better and even if it wasn't it doesn't matter because its bottle necked by the 7800gt class GPU and low ram."  And here we come again to this generation. "The RAM and GPU doesn't matter because the processor is just a gimped tablet cpu".  Yet if we look at facts it actually destroys any tablet cpu as it has double the cores and is clocked at 2GHZ compared to 1.6.  Does that mean it will outperform higher end gaming PC's? No but there is not a single game out there right now that the PS4 coudln't handle at max settings as long as it stays around 1080p and 30 to 60fps, which for a console that will most likely cost less then $500 is pretty impressive. 

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

[QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

Im not the one making threads trying to discredit a console that will probably cost less then $500 .  You guys are so pathetic its embarrassing .

AM-Gamer

Don't you have school to go to?

I have a college degree, a job and a house. While you are limited to posting the same YouTube videos that the rest of you basement dwellers find amusing. You guys do this every generation and it really is pathetic.  When the PS3 came out it was "The cell is all hype my 2 year old CPU is better and even if it wasn't it doesn't matter because its bottle necked by the 7800gt class GPU and low ram."  And here we come again to this generation. "The RAM and GPU doesn't matter because the processor is just a gimped tablet cpu".  Yet if we look at facts it actually destroys any tablet cpu as it has double the cores and is clocked at 2GHZ compared to 1.6.  Does that mean it will outperform higher end gaming PC's? No but there is not a single game out there right now that the PS4 coudln't handle at max settings as long as it stays around 1080p and 30 to 60fps, which for a console that will most likely cost less then $500 is pretty impressive. 

You guys do this every generation and it really is pathetic.  When the PS3 came out it was "The cell is all hype my 2 year old CPU is better and even if it wasn't it doesn't matter because its bottle necked by the 7800gt class GPU and low ram."  And here we come again to this generation. 

AM-Gamer

PC has different market segments. Enthusiasts will always pursue the highest possible quality.

I'm more a value oriented PC gamer. I'm arguing that $500 is a big investment, and that PC can come very close to that and offer superior value and versitility.  

1-2yrs. after their release 720 and PS4 will be entry, or integrated graphics level in gfx compared to PC equivalents. Thus, the cycle shall repeat. 

my pc from 2004 easily kept up with xbox360 still does i just needed to keep upgrading video cards.

[QUOTE="nihonking"]

[QUOTE="tormentos"] % are made to make number seem bigger than they really are. 3FPS = 15%.? That is nothing...psymon100

This is very true companys use percents to make pc players feel they need to buy new gpu's all the time.

That's completely untrue. 

So you wouldn't like to be 15% taller? for me that would make me over 2m tall, and would gain almost one foot in height. The analogy to GPUs works well. 

A discerning consumer will look at the percentages as one is able to make an accurate prediction regarding the performance of potential cards relative to their existing ones. 

It would be foolish for a person to upgrade from a 7850 to a 7870, this is true. 

However, if you were upgrading from something lower, like a 4850, it's important to assess the price/performance of potential replacements. If the performance increase were ~20% for the 7870, and the price were ~20% more, then basically it's a question of if you want to spend the extra money to go that percent faster, or not to spend. If you went for either card, neither is a waste of money. You get identical value from card to card.

However a more enthusiast level card might be 60% faster but as you suggest over 100% more money. 

Talking in absolutes like the number of frames increased can be helpful, but looking at the relative performance changes as percentages - I think that's the way to go. 

So if you care enough about this GDDR5 thing, you will be able to have it on a PC.

Long story short: when DDR4 arrives, GDDR5 will be rendered irrelevant. Quote:

"Once the DDR4 memory comes along the advantages of GDDR5 start to diminish again. DDR4 will enable higher densities at comparable speeds as well as upgradeable modules which might be more desirable for customers."

Also

GDDR6 Memory Coming in 2014

IgGy621985

http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2013/3/6/analysis-amd-kaveri-apu-and-steamroller-core-architectural-enhancements-unveiled.aspx

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

[QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

Im not the one making threads trying to discredit a console that will probably cost less then $500 . You guys are so pathetic its embarrassing .

AM-Gamer

Don't you have school to go to?

I have a college degree, a job and a house. While you are limited to posting the same YouTube videos that the rest of you basement dwellers find amusing. You guys do this every generation and it really is pathetic. When the PS3 came out it was "The cell is all hype my 2 year old CPU is better and even if it wasn't it doesn't matter because its bottle necked by the 7800gt class GPU and low ram." And here we come again to this generation. "The RAM and GPU doesn't matter because the processor is just a gimped tablet cpu". Yet if we look at facts it actually destroys any tablet cpu as it has double the cores and is clocked at 2GHZ compared to 1.6. Does that mean it will outperform higher end gaming PC's? No but there is not a single game out there right now that the PS4 coudln't handle at max settings as long as it stays around 1080p and 30 to 60fps, which for a console that will most likely cost less then $500 is pretty impressive.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=516900

The recent rumor has PS4's CPU running at 2Ghz

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

[QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

Im not the one making threads trying to discredit a console that will probably cost less then $500 .  You guys are so pathetic its embarrassing .

AM-Gamer

Don't you have school to go to?

I have a college degree, a job and a house. While you are limited to posting the same YouTube videos that the rest of you basement dwellers find amusing. You guys do this every generation and it really is pathetic.  When the PS3 came out it was "The cell is all hype my 2 year old CPU is better and even if it wasn't it doesn't matter because its bottle necked by the 7800gt class GPU and low ram."  And here we come again to this generation. "The RAM and GPU doesn't matter because the processor is just a gimped tablet cpu".  Yet if we look at facts it actually destroys any tablet cpu as it has double the cores and is clocked at 2GHZ compared to 1.6.  Does that mean it will outperform higher end gaming PC's? No but there is not a single game out there right now that the PS4 coudln't handle at max settings as long as it stays around 1080p and 30 to 60fps, which for a console that will most likely cost less then $500 is pretty impressive. 

How am I helping to create the stereotype? If anything all I'm doing is describing a method to "make an accurate prediction regarding the performance of potential cards relative to their existing ones". 

Let's play the game together now. Your 5870 is no slouch. 

[spoiler]

[/spoiler]

We can see that an upgrade from 5870 to the 7850 would not even boost performance by ~10%. From experience, I know that to go to the 7870 would only push that by another 20%. In your case it's not really worth it, these cards are at the top of their game in terms of performance per dollar - I feel we come to the same conclusion. 

Normally, when I'm helping friends or people online, I don't suggest a GPU upgrade unless they're going to get at least a 50% performance increase (I myself prefer closer to 100%, doubling or almost doubling frame rate) at a price point which the prospective purchaser finds attractive. If you like we could do this a bit longer, just for a bit of fun. You could set me a budget for you, and I'll see what could replace the 5870 and whether or not I'd consider it economically sensible, then you could critique me? A thought experiment. 

My last card was a 5770, as mentioned I'm now on the 7850. I'll admit - I didn't have to upgrade from the 5770. The 7850 was hardly expensive and every day now I get to enjoy graphics which I think are pretty excellent. Graphics aren't everything but it is an icing on the cake which I now enjoy all the time. One example of an improvement:

Unigine Heaven - 31.6 --> 54.5 fps, so about ~72% faster, I don't think that's anything to sneeze about. 

Your thoughts and comments?

psymon100

Funny how games like Crysis did not started using Rad doll physics until Killzone 2 put basically all PC games to shame animation wisetormentos

Crysis... 2007

Half Life 2... 2004

FEAR on PC... 2005

Killzone 2... 2009

lolwut?

[QUOTE="tormentos"]Funny how games like Crysis did not started using Rad doll physics until Killzone 2 put basically all PC games to shame animation wisethe_bi99man

Crysis... 2007

Half Life 2... 2004

FEAR on PC... 2005

Killzone 2... 2009

lolwut?

Funny how games like Crysis did not started using Rad doll physics until Killzone 2 put basically all PC games to shame animation wisetormentos

[QUOTE="psymon100"]

[QUOTE="nihonking"]

 

This is very true companys use percents to make pc players feel they need to buy new gpu's all the time.

tormentos

That's completely untrue. 

So you wouldn't like to be 15% taller? for me that would make me over 2m tall, and would gain almost one foot in height. The analogy to GPUs works well. 

A discerning consumer will look at the percentages as one is able to make an accurate prediction regarding the performance of potential cards relative to their existing ones. 

It would be foolish for a person to upgrade from a 7850 to a 7870, this is true. 

However, if you were upgrading from something lower, like a 4850, it's important to assess the price/performance of potential replacements. If the performance increase were ~20% for the 7870, and the price were ~20% more, then basically it's a question of if you want to spend the extra money to go that percent faster, or not to spend. If you went for either card, neither is a waste of money. You get identical value from card to card.

However a more enthusiast level card might be 60% faster but as you suggest over 100% more money. 

Talking in absolutes like the number of frames increased can be helpful, but looking at the relative performance changes as percentages - I think that's the way to go. 

[QUOTE="the_bi99man"]

[QUOTE="tormentos"]Funny how games like Crysis did not started using Rad doll physics until Killzone 2 put basically all PC games to shame animation wisetormentos

Crysis... 2007

Half Life 2... 2004

FEAR on PC... 2005

Killzone 2... 2009

lolwut?

So if you care enough about this GDDR5 thing, you will be able to have it on a PC.

Long story short: when DDR4 arrives, GDDR5 will be rendered irrelevant. Quote:

"Once the DDR4 memory comes along the advantages of GDDR5 start to diminish again. DDR4 will enable higher densities at comparable speeds as well as upgradeable modules which might be more desirable for customers."

Also

GDDR6 Memory Coming in 2014

IgGy621985

Now lets see if a single PC game will come that falls in the category "i want this game"

[QUOTE="IgGy621985"]

So if you care enough about this GDDR5 thing, you will be able to have it on a PC.

Long story short: when DDR4 arrives, GDDR5 will be rendered irrelevant. Quote:

"Once the DDR4 memory comes along the advantages of GDDR5 start to diminish again. DDR4 will enable higher densities at comparable speeds as well as upgradeable modules which might be more desirable for customers."

Also

GDDR6 Memory Coming in 2014

loosingENDS

Now lets see if a single PC game will come that falls in the category "i want this game"

[QUOTE="IgGy621985"]

So if you care enough about this GDDR5 thing, you will be able to have it on a PC.

Long story short: when DDR4 arrives, GDDR5 will be rendered irrelevant. Quote:

"Once the DDR4 memory comes along the advantages of GDDR5 start to diminish again. DDR4 will enable higher densities at comparable speeds as well as upgradeable modules which might be more desirable for customers."

Also

GDDR6 Memory Coming in 2014

loosingENDS

Now lets see if a single PC game will come that falls in the category "i want this game"

That's subjective, and not worth arguing about

[QUOTE="the_bi99man"]

[QUOTE="tormentos"]Funny how games like Crysis did not started using Rad doll physics until Killzone 2 put basically all PC games to shame animation wisetormentos

Crysis... 2007

Half Life 2... 2004

FEAR on PC... 2005

Killzone 2... 2009

lolwut?

Tormentos, are you again getting facts from your ass ?

Here is your famous rogdoll tech from Killzone 2.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESnRCmTEpLI :lol:

[QUOTE="psymon100"]How am I helping to create the stereotype? If anything all I'm doing is describing a method to "make an accurate prediction regarding the performance of potential cards relative to their existing ones". 

Let's play the game together now. Your 5870 is no slouch. 

[spoiler]

[/spoiler]

We can see that an upgrade from 5870 to the 7850 would not even boost performance by ~10%. From experience, I know that to go to the 7870 would only push that by another 20%. In your case it's not really worth it, these cards are at the top of their game in terms of performance per dollar - I feel we come to the same conclusion. 

Normally, when I'm helping friends or people online, I don't suggest a GPU upgrade unless they're going to get at least a 50% performance increase (I myself prefer closer to 100%, doubling or almost doubling frame rate) at a price point which the prospective purchaser finds attractive. If you like we could do this a bit longer, just for a bit of fun. You could set me a budget for you, and I'll see what could replace the 5870 and whether or not I'd consider it economically sensible, then you could critique me? A thought experiment. 

My last card was a 5770, as mentioned I'm now on the 7850. I'll admit - I didn't have to upgrade from the 5770. The 7850 was hardly expensive and every day now I get to enjoy graphics which I think are pretty excellent. Graphics aren't everything but it is an icing on the cake which I now enjoy all the time. One example of an improvement:

Unigine Heaven - 31.6 --> 54.5 fps, so about ~72% faster, I don't think that's anything to sneeze about. 

Your thoughts and comments?

tormentos

It´s not true. Every time ATI updates its drivers, I am getting a huge boost in fps, some 10+fps more than 7850. In the end, it all comes down to optimization, once my video card drivers gets equally optimized to take advantage of those 2.76 TFLOPS, my video card beats all other less powerful video cards. Bigger raw power is bigger raw power.

Good example is a recent Tomb Raider, with everything in ultra and with tressfx on, I am getting stable 43 fps vs 33 fps of 7850.

Tormentos, are you again getting facts from your ass ?

Here is your famous rogdoll tech from Killzone 2.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESnRCmTEpLI :lol:

jhonMalcovich

It´s not true. Every time ATI updates its drivers, I am getting a huge boost in fps, some 10+fps more than 7850. In the end, it all comes down to optimization, once my video card drivers gets equally optimized to take advantage of those 2.76 TFLOPS, my video card beats all other less powerful video cards. Bigger raw power is bigger raw power.

Good example is a recent Tomb Raider, with everything in ultra and with tressfx on, I am getting stable 43 fps vs 33 fps of 7850.

jhonMalcovich

The "new" Playstation is weaker than the PC I bought 2 years ago. No Blu-Ray Burner? No Solid State Drives? Man, this is weak. ATI/AMD parts? What the fu** no. I don't want this garbage at all. What happened to the revolutionary cell-processing technology Sony introduced? They scrap it because of all the mediocre game developers who are used to old x86 standards, using old graphics engines on a license? I'm tired of the game industry today. Major borefest games and almost zero innovation.SKaREO

[QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]It´s not true. Every time ATI updates its drivers, I am getting a huge boost in fps, some 10+fps more than 7850. In the end, it all comes down to optimization, once my video card drivers gets equally optimized to take advantage of those 2.76 TFLOPS, my video card beats all other less powerful video cards. Bigger raw power is bigger raw power.

Good example is a recent Tomb Raider, with everything in ultra and with tressfx on, I am getting stable 43 fps vs 33 fps of 7850.

tormentos

Benchmarks from a few years ago ? Drivers are updated and optimized continuously over time. So benchmarks can give different results after new drivers are released.

If we take a benchmark of GTX680 right now for Tomb Raider, it´s going to show us some 15 fps on ultra with tressfx on. So according to your logic, and to that bechmark, my 5870 overkills GTX680.

[QUOTE="SKaREO"]The "new" Playstation is weaker than the PC I bought 2 years ago. No Blu-Ray Burner? No Solid State Drives? Man, this is weak. ATI/AMD parts? What the fu** no. I don't want this garbage at all. What happened to the revolutionary cell-processing technology Sony introduced? They scrap it because of all the mediocre game developers who are used to old x86 standards, using old graphics engines on a license? I'm tired of the game industry today. Major borefest games and almost zero innovation.tormentos

So pc is finally catching up? All hail to the king Sony.kuraimen

You know what amazes me that all of you whether you are a COW or a PC lover the hardware is only as good as the developer wants to make it out to be.

[QUOTE="SKaREO"]The "new" Playstation is weaker than the PC I bought 2 years ago. No Blu-Ray Burner? No Solid State Drives? Man, this is weak. ATI/AMD parts? What the fu** no. I don't want this garbage at all. What happened to the revolutionary cell-processing technology Sony introduced? They scrap it because of all the mediocre game developers who are used to old x86 standards, using old graphics engines on a license? I'm tired of the game industry today. Major borefest games and almost zero innovation.tormentos

Lol 7970, I think not

[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="SKaREO"]The "new" Playstation is weaker than the PC I bought 2 years ago. No Blu-Ray Burner? No Solid State Drives? Man, this is weak. ATI/AMD parts? What the fu** no. I don't want this garbage at all. What happened to the revolutionary cell-processing technology Sony introduced? They scrap it because of all the mediocre game developers who are used to old x86 standards, using old graphics engines on a license? I'm tired of the game industry today. Major borefest games and almost zero innovation.lostrib

Lol 7970, I think not

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="tormentos"] If you don't have a 7970 or better your PC is probably weaker,who needs a solid stated drive.? The incredibly huge majority of PC out there don't have a solid state drive which are more expensive you know. The whole cell comment is hermit trash like always. And considering it will cost less than a 7970 and will give me like 7 years of gameplay or more,i don't find it to be bad,i don't to upgrade every 2 years,and considering Crysis 3 runs on PS3 and 360 who really care,try to run Crysis 3 on a 7800GTX.tormentos

Lol 7970, I think not

Source? Benchmarks?  The 7970 is quite a bit better than a 7850.  And by then the 8000 series and probably the Nvidia GK110 based cards will be coming out. PS4 already out of date

[QUOTE="clyde46"] An SSD will make even an old PC run like butter.tormentos

I've seen Samsung SSD 250GB for only $150. It was the regular 840, not the pro. The write speed is lower, but the read speed is the same. The read speed is all that matters for gaming, and 250GB is plenty for Windows 7 and your most often used applications and games.  SSD is definitely an affordable upgrade when compared to CPU, GPU, and motherboard.

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="tormentos"] Something very close or better,problem here stride on the fact that you people think the PS4 has stock 7850 that will perform exactly like that GPU,maybe you should read a little more about the PS4 GPU vs 7850 comparison..xboxiphoneps3

Source? Benchmarks?  The 7970 is quite a bit better than a 7850.  And by then the 8000 series and probably the Nvidia GK110 based cards will be coming out. PS4 already out of date

Hmmm those don't look like sources or benchmarks. Try again

[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="clyde46"] An SSD will make even an old PC run like butter.FashionFreak

I've seen Samsung SSD 250GB for only $150. It was the regular 840, not the pro. The write speed is lower, but the read speed is the same. The read speed is all that matters for gaming, and 250GB is plenty for Windows 7 and your most often used applications and games.  SSD is definitely an affordable upgrade when compared to CPU, GPU, and motherboard.

Also the 840 series  is the high end of SSD (especially the Pro), but a crucial M4 or even an OCZ drive would do just as well

well sure the pc will get that gddr5 but it's not the cool kind that ensures women will worship you like the ps4 is getting.... it's the crappy pc kind that you buy then use as your lifeforce slowly ebbs until you die alone in the basement.

hmmm.... ok... now do i really have to put something in that explains  to and assures people this is some kind of joke or just hit send and see if people get it....hmmmm better put something in.

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="xboxiphoneps3"] Having no PC overhead on consoles allows consoles to get 2x the same performance as a similarly specced PC. The PS4 will match PC games in graphics for a year or two then the PC will start to take off again A custom, modified HD7850 in a console >>>>>>>>>a PC hd7850xboxiphoneps3

Hmmm those don't look like sources or benchmarks. Try again

i dont need to show any sources or benchmarks, this has been the case for  many years with consoles. closed off systems> trying to develop and configure for thousands of possible PC configurations that will try and run your game. 

Even John Carmack said the same exact thing(actually where i recited that sentance from)

If it was true then we would have seen something better than Killzone on PS conference. So far Killzone looks like a PC hd7850 game, nothing else.

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="tormentos"] If you don't have a 7970 or better your PC is probably weaker,who needs a solid stated drive.? The incredibly huge majority of PC out there don't have a solid state drive which are more expensive you know. The whole cell comment is hermit trash like always. And considering it will cost less than a 7970 and will give me like 7 years of gameplay or more,i don't find it to be bad,i don't to upgrade every 2 years,and considering Crysis 3 runs on PS3 and 360 who really care,try to run Crysis 3 on a 7800GTX.tormentos

Lol 7970, I think not

My GPU is almost a year old already and better than what emostation 4 will offer.

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="xboxiphoneps3"] Having no PC overhead on consoles allows consoles to get 2x the same performance as a similarly specced PC. The PS4 will match PC games in graphics for a year or two then the PC will start to take off again A custom, modified HD7850 in a console >>>>>>>>>a PC hd7850xboxiphoneps3

Hmmm those don't look like sources or benchmarks. Try again

i dont need to show any sources or benchmarks, this has been the case for  many years with consoles. closed off systems> trying to develop and configure for thousands of possible PC configurations that will try and run your game. 

Even John Carmack said the same exact thing(actually where i recited that sentance from)

Um yes you do need sources and benchmarks if you are going to make claims that consoles have 2x the performance, or that the PSU GPU is better than a 7850 or comparable to a 7970.

So Benchmarks and sources please. Try again

well sure the pc will get that gddr5 but it's not the cool kind that ensures women will worship you like the ps4 is getting.... it's the crappy pc kind that you buy then use as your lifeforce slowly ebbs until you die alone in the basement.

 

hmmm.... ok... now do i really have to put something in that explains  to and assures people this is some kind of joke or just hit send and see if people get it....hmmmm better put something in.

Riverwolf007

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

[QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

Im not the one making threads trying to discredit a console that will probably cost less then $500 .  You guys are so pathetic its embarrassing .

AM-Gamer

Don't you have school to go to?

I have a college degree, a job and a house. While you are limited to posting the same YouTube videos that the rest of you basement dwellers find amusing. You guys do this every generation and it really is pathetic.  When the PS3 came out it was "The cell is all hype my 2 year old CPU is better and even if it wasn't it doesn't matter because its bottle necked by the 7800gt class GPU and low ram."  And here we come again to this generation. "The RAM and GPU doesn't matter because the processor is just a gimped tablet cpu".  Yet if we look at facts it actually destroys any tablet cpu as it has double the cores and is clocked at 2GHZ compared to 1.6.  Does that mean it will outperform higher end gaming PC's? No but there is not a single game out there right now that the PS4 coudln't handle at max settings as long as it stays around 1080p and 30 to 60fps, which for a console that will most likely cost less then $500 is pretty impressive. 

Meanwhile I make PCs and servers for a living.  Get a life and stop getting teary eyed over a post pointing our your pathetic rants