What a lot of PC gamers do not understand

[QUOTE="IgGy621985"]

[QUOTE="Rocker6"]

I honestly can't think of any developers who abandoned the PC

Jankarcop

Really?

Epic? Ensemble? Lionhead?

Epic didn't make a single PC title since their collaboration with Microsoft, except UT3 and Gears 1 port.

Fortnite, you idiot.

You can barely think of any devs, and the one that anyone cares about you did post was wrong.

Don't try to hate on pc, you end up owned.

PC Gaming sucks since all the devs abandoned it PC exclusive wise in terms of big budget/relevant games that make one want to actually spend money on a rig for a game like Crysis.

Yeah deal with it, bro.

[QUOTE="Jankarcop"]

[QUOTE="IgGy621985"]

Really?

Epic? Ensemble? Lionhead?

Epic didn't make a single PC title since their collaboration with Microsoft, except UT3 and Gears 1 port.

 

Quad4Life

Fortnite, you idiot.

You can barely think of any devs, and the one that anyone cares about you did post was wrong.

Don't try to hate on pc, you end up owned.

PC Gaming sucks since all the devs abandoned it PC exclusive wise in terms of big budget/relevant games that make one want to actually spend money on a rig for a game like Crysis.

Yeah deal with it, bro.

You mean games like Star Citizen,Arma 3,Rome 2 Total War,among so many others? You know,all pretty relevant,high end graphics and high quality games/series,all exclusive,and those are just a small example.

Yeah.

[QUOTE="MrYaotubo"]

[QUOTE="Quad4Life"]

PC Gaming sucks since all the devs abandoned it PC exclusive wise in terms of big budget/relevant games that make one want to actually spend money on a rig for a game like Crysis.

Yeah deal with it, bro.

Quad4Life

You mean games like Star Citizen,Arma 3,Rome 2 Total War,among so many others? You know,all pretty relevant,high end graphics and high quality games/series,all exclusive,and those are just a small example.

Yeah.

Your opinions on the subject are irrelevant,it is what it is,not what you want it to be.

And those were just a small example,there´s dozens more.

[QUOTE="outworld222"]

Fascinating, especially considering the fact that PC is the forefather of gaming going all the way back.

Jag85

And for the record, the Arcade was the forefather of gaming.

[QUOTE="outworld222"]

Fascinating, especially considering the fact that PC is the forefather of gaming going all the way back.

Jag85

And for the record, the Arcade was the forefather of gaming.

Sorry to burst your bubble

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_video_game#History

Why Everyone should ditch consoles all together and ALL games be on one type of system. 

• everyone would have a chance play every game without owning every system 
• cheaper games on PC
• devs wouldn't have to make 3-4 ports and just focus on one and make it much better
• devs/publishers wouldn't have to give part of their money console makers for doing NOTHING!
• not restricted what you can or can't do on console
• mods
• no waiting 2 weeks for a update by the devs to get uploaded on the console
• no dev paying $10,000 to freaking update their game to make it better for the consumer 
• no restrictions on devs how they build their games to meet guidelines 
• everyone pretty much owns a computer that cost $350-500 My well toss the $400ish you would spent on console into the PC to get better experience 

k2theswiss

It's actually $40,000. I would also add that anyone who spouts the "gameplay over graphics" line (as if anyone was ever suggesting otherwise) should prefer PC, as PC allows you to play games at 60fps, which is a huge improvement to the overall gameplay regardless of what the game is. Every game has better gameplay at 60fps. 

[QUOTE="Jag85"]

[QUOTE="outworld222"]

Fascinating, especially considering the fact that PC is the forefather of gaming going all the way back.

MrYaotubo

And for the record, the Arcade was the forefather of gaming.

The first version of Spacewar outside of mainframes was the arcade title Galaxy Game, which also happens to be the first arcade video game, in 1971. The first console released in 1972. The first microcomputer, i.e. the first true personal computer, released in 1974, though personal computers didn't start playing video games until the late 70s. And finally, the IBM PC, i.e. what we call the PC today, released in 1981.

But if you want to go all the way back, then the forefather of electronic gaming were electro-mechanical arcade games going as far back as the 1930s, pre-dating the first actual video games.

Wana first get this out of the way, this is not to attack PC gamers in anyway as i do appreciate seeing high end visuals and the forward leap PC gaming has, also its a very good alternative to consoles. However something i have noticed on system wars is a pile of some PC gamers act as if everyone should become PC gamers or they should go to hell or something, it is almost worrysome that some PC want consoles to die off and everyone should start gaming on PC or something.

To the main point, if you observe the trend of the gaming industry since the 1980s, you would observe a system in the gaming industry where core game design has shifted from PC to consoles, even till date the trend is continued to an extent where developers that are considered strictly PC centric are now joining the consoles development stream. So if PC gaming was so great, why are developers defecting. The first major thing is the userbase of consoles still outweigh PC gamer userbase and consoles provide a more lucrative business model for publishers.

In summary, no matter how much high end visual gizmo you purchase, if developers dont consider your hardware the average or common denominator, the investment is just for a little extra shinny bits and at the moment developers are more focused on consoles than PCs. The core base of most games has been and still is designed with consoles first in mind, then PC second with the little extra shinnies, so before you call me a troll or go all immature about this, think for second, am i trolling or just saying the cold truth. As far as developers still see consoles as the first customers to serve, your hardware upgrades would remain under utilized so if anything at all, be pleased with next gen consoles cause thats actually when developers would wana upgrade core game designs because the common denominator has moved a step up.

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megaspiderweb09

PC is simply another platform to enjoy games on. The absurd rationalizations for why one may use x over y is mind-boggling. PCs and consoles benefit each other. That the gaming community has willingly drawn some intangible line between the two is incredibly immature. Anyone on the outside looking to verify that games are nothing more than mindless entertainment for nerds and kids will surely find it here. Of course it is system wars and all (though it's observable throughout all of the Internet).

Spoken like a true console pleb.

Don't worry, we'll kepp pushing the industry forward, and you guys can keep playing catch-up.

#GloriousPCGamingMasterRace

#SuperiorSystemForSuperiorGamers

Wana first get this out of the way, this is not to attack PC gamers in anyway as i do appreciate seeing high end visuals and the forward leap PC gaming has, also its a very good alternative to consoles. However something i have noticed on system wars is a pile of some PC gamers act as if everyone should become PC gamers or they should go to hell or something, it is almost worrysome that some PC want consoles to die off and everyone should start gaming on PC or something.

To the main point, if you observe the trend of the gaming industry since the 1980s, you would observe a system in the gaming industry where core game design has shifted from PC to consoles, even till date the trend is continued to an extent where developers that are considered strictly PC centric are now joining the consoles development stream. So if PC gaming was so great, why are developers defecting. The first major thing is the userbase of consoles still outweigh PC gamer userbase and consoles provide a more lucrative business model for publishers.

In summary, no matter how much high end visual gizmo you purchase, if developers dont consider your hardware the average or common denominator, the investment is just for a little extra shinny bits and at the moment developers are more focused on consoles than PCs. The core base of most games has been and still is designed with consoles first in mind, then PC second with the little extra shinnies, so before you call me a troll or go all immature about this, think for second, am i trolling or just saying the cold truth. As far as developers still see consoles as the first customers to serve, your hardware upgrades would remain under utilized so if anything at all, be pleased with next gen consoles cause thats actually when developers would wana upgrade core game designs because the common denominator has moved a step up.

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megaspiderweb09

That 'trend' is not PC games going to consoles but it is all games becoming multiplat to reel in more money.
The PC market has grown too.
As consoles become more PC-like, any rational reason to purchase a console over a PC dwindles. This generation with 720/ps4/wiiu it would be even crazier than last generation to buy a console before a PC.

[QUOTE="Quad4Life"]

[QUOTE="Jankarcop"]

 

Fortnite, you idiot.

 

You can barely think of any devs, and the one that anyone cares about you did post was wrong.

 

Don't try to hate on pc, you end up owned.

MrYaotubo

PC Gaming sucks since all the devs abandoned it PC exclusive wise in terms of big budget/relevant games that make one want to actually spend money on a rig for a game like Crysis.

Yeah deal with it, bro.

You mean games like Star Citizen,Arma 3,Rome 2 Total War,among so many others? You know,all pretty relevant,high end graphics and high quality games/series,all exclusive,and those are just a small example.

Yeah.

[QUOTE="MrYaotubo"]

[QUOTE="Quad4Life"]

PC Gaming sucks since all the devs abandoned it PC exclusive wise in terms of big budget/relevant games that make one want to actually spend money on a rig for a game like Crysis.

Yeah deal with it, bro.

Quad4Life

You mean games like Star Citizen,Arma 3,Rome 2 Total War,among so many others? You know,all pretty relevant,high end graphics and high quality games/series,all exclusive,and those are just a small example.

Yeah.

Yeah, personal preference argument!

However something i have noticed on system wars is a pile of some PC gamers act as if everyone should become PC gamers or they should go to hell or something,

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megaspiderweb09

I'm primarily a PC gamer by far, but I agree that this happens too much.

PC gaming isn't the end all be all, some people don't like what PC gaming has to offer and that's fine, that's purely subjective.

There is no way to objectively say "Oh since I like these games more so should you."

[QUOTE="megaspiderweb09"]

However something i have noticed on system wars is a pile of some PC gamers act as if everyone should become PC gamers or they should go to hell or something,

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tagyhag

I'm primarily a PC gamer by far, but I agree that this happens too much.

PC gaming isn't the end all be all, some people don't like what PC gaming has to offer and that's fine, that's purely subjective.

There is no way to objectively say "Oh since I like these games more so should you."

What if PC didn't have DOTA 2? =O

[QUOTE="tagyhag"]

[QUOTE="megaspiderweb09"]

However something i have noticed on system wars is a pile of some PC gamers act as if everyone should become PC gamers or they should go to hell or something,

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whiskeystrike

I'm primarily a PC gamer by far, but I agree that this happens too much.

PC gaming isn't the end all be all, some people don't like what PC gaming has to offer and that's fine, that's purely subjective.

There is no way to objectively say "Oh since I like these games more so should you."

What if PC didn't have DOTA 2? =O

[QUOTE="whiskeystrike"]

[QUOTE="tagyhag"]

I'm primarily a PC gamer by far, but I agree that this happens too much.

PC gaming isn't the end all be all, some people don't like what PC gaming has to offer and that's fine, that's purely subjective.

There is no way to objectively say "Oh since I like these games more so should you."

tagyhag

What if PC didn't have DOTA 2? =O

I understand. League meta is incredibly complex and varied.

[QUOTE="Quad4Life"][QUOTE="MrYaotubo"]

You mean games like Star Citizen,Arma 3,Rome 2 Total War,among so many others? You know,all pretty relevant,high end graphics and high quality games/series,all exclusive,and those are just a small example.

Yeah.

MrYaotubo

Your opinions on the subject are irrelevant,it is what it is,not what you want it to be.

And those were just a small example,there´s dozens more.

[QUOTE="MrYaotubo"]

[QUOTE="Quad4Life"] Lets see, Arma 3 isn't even game its a simulator that isn't fun to play and is universally agreed on being terrible. Rome: Total War - Yaaawn, another RTS on FPS. Star Citizen - Has potential, 1 game justifies PC gaming? InterestingQuad4Life

Your opinions on the subject are irrelevant,it is what it is,not what you want it to be.

And those were just a small example,there´s dozens more.

excuses, excuses

The majority of PC gamers are idiots.

We all can identify and acknowledge how and why gaming as whole relates to computers (the same?)

But this is where their stupidity really "shines": We have long since lost count of those who have ranted and "declared" that PC's are "the way" and everything and everyone else should vamoose. Now let us take into consideration cold hard facts:

Fact is that gaming came from computers and it's foolish to argue that. But isn't it also foolish to argue hard numbers, numbers which have shown that consoles have dominated gaming for decades? And still do? The userbase comparison head on doesn't even come close. It's not even the same solar system!

So back to this "vamoose" thing, let's consider that wish were granted.

Gaming would essentially be on its death bed in less than a year.Thousands (maybe millions?) would lose their jobs not just for being fired, but people would not be gaming because the entry price for a bs gaming pc (bs as in "performs poorly" by the standards of PC lovers) is ridiculous. The fact that they will even use terminology such as "you can get a low end gaming pc for ONLY about $600 is laughable! So if you pulled the plug on consoles today, do you honestly in good faith believe everyone would switch to PC? The answer is a vehement NO!

Whereas if you did the opposite and pulled the plug on the PC sector of the gaming industry, the industry as a whole would still thrive. (I personally would argue that hardly anyone would notice because the gap in userbase is that wide)

Of course this hard fact (truth) will rub a bunch of people the wrong way, but the truth tends to have that effect.

Fact is that gaming came from computers and it's foolish to argue that. But isn't it also foolish to argue hard numbers, numbers which have shown that consoles have dominated gaming for decades? And still do? The userbase comparison head on doesn't even come close. It's not even the same solar system!

Of course this hard fact (truth) will rub a bunch of people the wrong way, but the truth tends to have that effect.

Benny_Blakk

Hard numbers? In 2009 all the versions of Perfect World had 50 million registered users. That's one MMORPG. There are hundreads of MMOs out there.

The whole of PC gaming, bias and bullsh*t aside (like 'lol MMOs' or 'casuals don't count') dwarfs console gaming tenfold. 

Wana first get this out of the way, this is not to attack PC gamers in anyway as i do appreciate seeing high end visuals and the forward leap PC gaming has, also its a very good alternative to consoles. However something i have noticed on system wars is a pile of some PC gamers act as if everyone should become PC gamers or they should go to hell or something, it is almost worrysome that some PC want consoles to die off and everyone should start gaming on PC or something.

To the main point, if you observe the trend of the gaming industry since the 1980s, you would observe a system in the gaming industry where core game design has shifted from PC to consoles, even till date the trend is continued to an extent where developers that are considered strictly PC centric are now joining the consoles development stream. So if PC gaming was so great, why are developers defecting. The first major thing is the userbase of consoles still outweigh PC gamer userbase and consoles provide a more lucrative business model for publishers.

In summary, no matter how much high end visual gizmo you purchase, if developers dont consider your hardware the average or common denominator, the investment is just for a little extra shinny bits and at the moment developers are more focused on consoles than PCs. The core base of most games has been and still is designed with consoles first in mind, then PC second with the little extra shinnies, so before you call me a troll or go all immature about this, think for second, am i trolling or just saying the cold truth. As far as developers still see consoles as the first customers to serve, your hardware upgrades would remain under utilized so if anything at all, be pleased with next gen consoles cause thats actually when developers would wana upgrade core game designs because the common denominator has moved a step up.

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megaspiderweb09

[QUOTE="MrYaotubo"]

[QUOTE="Quad4Life"] Lets see, Arma 3 isn't even game its a simulator that isn't fun to play and is universally agreed on being terrible. Rome: Total War - Yaaawn, another RTS on FPS. Star Citizen - Has potential, 1 game justifies PC gaming? InterestingQuad4Life

Your opinions on the subject are irrelevant,it is what it is,not what you want it to be.

And those were just a small example,there´s dozens more.

try harder

I actually believe dude made a good point, and you guys don't have to be such arses and shod him off to blog it.

But everyone knows that because everyone does the same thing. I mean, look what Cows did when they got teh GDDR5.

IgGy621985

Not really. It's not like devs are making games run on all 3 platforms and have only 1 standard setting, Just look at Crysis 3. It runs on consoles, but the PC version is a technical achievement. So the lowest common denominator argument isn't actually valid.

[QUOTE="MrYaotubo"]

[QUOTE="Benny_Blakk"]

Now name an iconic PC figure. Just one.......

Benny_Blakk

Here´s one like you asked,beating every other iconic gaming hero in a contest with thousands of voters.

Not to mention that there´s quite a few others in there that originated from the PC.

Fail........

Dozens more of indie titles nobody really cares about. YeahQuad4Life

What does that have to do with anything? Whether they're indie or not, whether they're obscure or not, why would it matter? If the game is good, then that's all that matters. 

Or is gaming a popularity contest for you?  

Wana first get this out of the way, this is not to attack PC gamers in anyway 

megaspiderweb09

[QUOTE="Benny_Blakk"]

Fact is that gaming came from computers and it's foolish to argue that. But isn't it also foolish to argue hard numbers, numbers which have shown that consoles have dominated gaming for decades? And still do? The userbase comparison head on doesn't even come close. It's not even the same solar system!

Of course this hard fact (truth) will rub a bunch of people the wrong way, but the truth tends to have that effect.

Lucianu

Hard numbers? In 2009 all the versions of Perfect World had 50 million registered users. That's one MMORPG. There are hundreads of MMOs out there.

The whole of PC gaming, bias and bullsh*t aside (like 'lol MMOs' or 'casuals don't count') dwarfs console gaming tenfold. 

[QUOTE="Nanomage"]

[QUOTE="Benny_Blakk"]Are you saying that Mario sold millions of PC software titles and NOT for a Nintendo console? (Their handheld releases are even more killer). Super Mario is a Nintendo icon, synonymous with the companies name itself.

Fail........

Benny_Blakk

Icon in the context I've mentioned numerous times (pop culture, TV, movies, music, etc) doesn't include ANYONE from PC. Never did. That is fact.

Mario, Link, Sonic....

and....

GORDON FREEMAN????

WHO???

Weirdos......

smh

And sonic was know many years ago,barely anyone without any affiliation to gaming has heard of it in the last few years,Mario is know but that´s pretty much the only one.

Not even worth keeping this conversation going,you´re clearly butthurt by the ownage and are getting a but agressive,take some pills sunshine and deep breaths.

[QUOTE="Benny_Blakk"]

Fact is that gaming came from computers and it's foolish to argue that. But isn't it also foolish to argue hard numbers, numbers which have shown that consoles have dominated gaming for decades? And still do? The userbase comparison head on doesn't even come close. It's not even the same solar system!

Of course this hard fact (truth) will rub a bunch of people the wrong way, but the truth tends to have that effect.

Lucianu

Hard numbers? In 2009 all the versions of Perfect World had 50 million registered users. That's one MMORPG. There are hundreads of MMOs out there.

The whole of PC gaming, bias and bullsh*t aside (like 'lol MMOs' or 'casuals don't count') dwarfs console gaming tenfold.

AND PC is more subject to piracy than console, remember?

2009 is one year. PC was (still is) a shadow in the background for decades! FACT!

Now ask yourself how many times you've heard someone say "I need that new Alienware to play the new Farmville".

:-)

The majority of PC gamers are idiots.

We all can identify and acknowledge how and why gaming as whole relates to computers (the same?)

But this is where their stupidity really "shines": We have long since lost count of those who have ranted and "declared" that PC's are "the way" and everything and everyone else should vamoose. Now let us take into consideration cold hard facts:

Fact is that gaming came from computers and it's foolish to argue that. But isn't it also foolish to argue hard numbers, numbers which have shown that consoles have dominated gaming for decades? And still do? The userbase comparison head on doesn't even come close. It's not even the same solar system!

So back to this "vamoose" thing, let's consider that wish were granted.

Gaming would essentially be on its death bed in less than a year.Thousands (maybe millions?) would lose their jobs not just for being fired, but people would not be gaming because the entry price for a bs gaming pc (bs as in "performs poorly" by the standards of PC lovers) is ridiculous. The fact that they will even use terminology such as "you can get a low end gaming pc for ONLY about $600 is laughable! So if you pulled the plug on consoles today, do you honestly in good faith believe everyone would switch to PC? The answer is a vehement NO!

Whereas if you did the opposite and pulled the plug on the PC sector of the gaming industry, the industry as a whole would still thrive. (I personally would argue that hardly anyone would notice because the gap in userbase is that wide)

Of course this hard fact (truth) will rub a bunch of people the wrong way, but the truth tends to have that effect.

Benny_Blakk

[QUOTE="Benny_Blakk"]

The majority of PC gamers are idiots.

We all can identify and acknowledge how and why gaming as whole relates to computers (the same?)

But this is where their stupidity really "shines": We have long since lost count of those who have ranted and "declared" that PC's are "the way" and everything and everyone else should vamoose. Now let us take into consideration cold hard facts:

Fact is that gaming came from computers and it's foolish to argue that. But isn't it also foolish to argue hard numbers, numbers which have shown that consoles have dominated gaming for decades? And still do? The userbase comparison head on doesn't even come close. It's not even the same solar system!

So back to this "vamoose" thing, let's consider that wish were granted.

Gaming would essentially be on its death bed in less than a year.Thousands (maybe millions?) would lose their jobs not just for being fired, but people would not be gaming because the entry price for a bs gaming pc (bs as in "performs poorly" by the standards of PC lovers) is ridiculous. The fact that they will even use terminology such as "you can get a low end gaming pc for ONLY about $600 is laughable! So if you pulled the plug on consoles today, do you honestly in good faith believe everyone would switch to PC? The answer is a vehement NO!

Whereas if you did the opposite and pulled the plug on the PC sector of the gaming industry, the industry as a whole would still thrive. (I personally would argue that hardly anyone would notice because the gap in userbase is that wide)

Of course this hard fact (truth) will rub a bunch of people the wrong way, but the truth tends to have that effect.

MrYaotubo

Have you forgotten that PC is the basis for play for free? How many of those 50 million PURCHASED the software?

AND PC is more subject to piracy than console, remember?

2009 is one year. PC was (still is) a shadow in the background for decades! FACT!

Now ask yourself how many times you've heard someone say "I need that new Alienware to play the new Farmville".

:-)

Benny_Blakk

It doesn't matter to the argument at hand, f2p gaming exists and is relevant. Fact is that PC gaming, bias aside, is unfathomably large. It is impossible to form conclusive statistical data, because the platform is completely open, and ridiculously varied. For a non-fanboy mind that doesn't view gaming as a popularity contest, PC gaming is literally a treasure trove of hidden gems.

 

Benny_Blakk

Yes, making and or made. Games are still increasing in popularity, hence making. I'm not neglecting consoles, just like I'm not neglecting arcades - I'm stating that all these platforms have served a valuable purpose in expanding what games are, and to a wider audience - in a huge variety of ways. What's your point?

I can attribute the PC for what it has done for gaming in the last thirty years - the home computer has been around for a long longer then you're imagining. Again serving it's own purpose, and the games and legacy is all there to see - games didn't exist only in the console sphere; during Atari's heyday or today, that goes without saying. Either way this is me repeating my last point.

Excuses about what? Marketing = media exposure? That's a fact, I'm just pointing out that marketing exposure doesn't mean 'cultural relevance' which is fairly stupid thing to argue on your behalf. Hence why I pointed out 'angry birds is one of the most popular IPs at he moment but I doubt we would call it 'culturally relevant'. It's a silly thing for you to argue, common sense.

Sure, however you're missing the point that profit margins are entirely relative, and sales models aren't universal. Which is why you can have three very successful popular games e.g. Call of Duty, League of Legends or Angry Birds, and each have very different business models, yet have run at major profits. Nor am I talking about what's 'great' or not, I'm looking at what is actually going on in all these spaces.

And that's a pretty bad analogy? If any company closed the gap in the market would be filled like another. That's how the free market works.

Seriously, I'm baffled at what your point actually is and what you're trying to argue. That PC gaming isn't.... something? You want to dispute history? Okay you can if you want I don't really mind what's going inside of that head of yours, it isn't going to change anything.

I'm trying not to be rude, but having this discussion always results in digression of the extreme types to disuade from an already made (and very clear to anyone but those who don't want to accept it) point. Computers are important in the development of cars and airplanes, but we're not attributing their sales to Apple, are we? NO!

I've already pointed the importance of PC gaming, but for a PC pundit to acknowledge the impact and importance of Consoles is far too taxing. Sad......

Benny_Blakk

I'm saying 'relevance is entirely relative' and 'the games industry is a cosmopolitan one'. That's a pretty obvious fact.

[QUOTE="Benny_Blakk"]

Have you forgotten that PC is the basis for play for free? How many of those 50 million PURCHASED the software?

AND PC is more subject to piracy than console, remember?

2009 is one year. PC was (still is) a shadow in the background for decades! FACT!

Now ask yourself how many times you've heard someone say "I need that new Alienware to play the new Farmville".

:-)

Lucianu

It doesn't matter to the argument at hand, f2p gaming exists and is relevant. Fact is that PC gaming, bias aside, is unfathomably large. It is impossible to form conclusive statistical data, because the platform is completely open, and ridiculously varied. For a non-fanboy mind that doesn't view gaming as a popularity contest, PC gaming is literally a treasure trove of hidden gems.

The argument that I've bought up (my apologies to the TC) is the perception of PC gamers have of PC gaming as it relates to the industry as a whole.

I must disagree about the "relevance" of FTP because the most relevant factor is sales. The intent behind my bringing up a comparison between making either sector "disappear" is to show it's true impact. Fact is that SONY alone has sold over a quarter billion Playstations! (1-3). Fact is that CONSOLES made gaming popular, not PC's! There have been movies, TV shows, constant music and cultural references center around console IP's, not PC. Fact is that Consoles are the basis of the gaming industry. 300,000,000 is a hell of a lot, don't you think?

[QUOTE="Lucianu"]

[QUOTE="Benny_Blakk"]

Fact is that gaming came from computers and it's foolish to argue that. But isn't it also foolish to argue hard numbers, numbers which have shown that consoles have dominated gaming for decades? And still do? The userbase comparison head on doesn't even come close. It's not even the same solar system!

Of course this hard fact (truth) will rub a bunch of people the wrong way, but the truth tends to have that effect.

KungfuKitten

Hard numbers? In 2009 all the versions of Perfect World had 50 million registered users. That's one MMORPG. There are hundreads of MMOs out there.

The whole of PC gaming, bias and bullsh*t aside (like 'lol MMOs' or 'casuals don't count') dwarfs console gaming tenfold.

#1- "Better library" is all opinion. I am discussing numbers and facts. Discern the difference.

#2- PC gaming is NOT more expensive than console? Exactly what is the entry price for a "starter" gaming PC? Also, the entire "PC games cost less" argument is not applicable to every title so harboring on that is basically lying.

#3- The fact that you try to make having a larger userbase a negative (which should be your objective because it increases sales potential) speaks volumes.

Fact is that CONSOLES made gaming popular, not PC's! There have been movies, TV shows, constant music and cultural references center around console IP's, not PC. Fact is that Consoles are the basis of the gaming industry. 300,000,000 is a hell of a lot, don't you think?

Benny_Blakk

Do you pay attention to console fanboys? Idiots everywhere. The 'core base' of most games is a really dumb statement to make honestly, it can be argued the PC is that considering most games are developed for the platform; they might not be triple A titles, but that's where the vast majority of games end up, and of course, then there's the case of smartphones and tablets these days.skrat_01

You can not argue in anyway that a PC is the core. First off, since when did we begin calling devkits Personal Computers? Second, this is the gaming INDUSTRY, as in SALES, (it is a BUSINESS, REMEMBER????) The sale of these projects is attributed to what userbase?

Now name an iconic PC figure. Just one.......

I completely agree that PC has it's "greatness" for lack of a better term. For example, I'm not into shooters and call me "simple", but I still get a kick out of some classic RTS and PC has always delivered it the best. But that is off topic.

The argument that I've bought up (my apologies to the TC) is the perception of PC gamers have of PC gaming as it relates to the industry as a whole.

I must disagree about the "relevance" of FTP because the most relevant factor is sales. The intent behind my bringing up a comparison between making either sector "disappear" is to show it's true impact. Fact is that SONY alone has sold over a quarter billion Playstations! (1-3). Fact is that CONSOLES made gaming popular, not PC's! There have been movies, TV shows, constant music and cultural references center around console IP's, not PC. Fact is that Consoles are the basis of the gaming industry. 300,000,000 is a hell of a lot, don't you think?

Benny_Blakk

But your argument is centered around retail/digital sales, if i'm understanding this right, and it's ignoring the FTP market, man. That market is gigantic and is a huge chunk of PC gaming. Hundreads upon hundreads of MMOs with thousands, millions of registered users on each one. The number of total users is simply impossible to comprehend, not to mention that new F2P games keeps poping up. 

Though i can't disagree with your logic because it's a tricky subject, as far as how much of a greater impact would either the PC gaming or Console market have if one would cease to exist. 

Now name an iconic PC figure. Just one.......

Benny_Blakk

Here´s one like you asked,beating every other iconic gaming hero in a contest with thousands of voters.

Not to mention that there´s quite a few others in there that originated from the PC.

[QUOTE="skrat_01"]Do you pay attention to console fanboys? Idiots everywhere. The 'core base' of most games is a really dumb statement to make honestly, it can be argued the PC is that considering most games are developed for the platform; they might not be triple A titles, but that's where the vast majority of games end up, and of course, then there's the case of smartphones and tablets these days.Benny_Blakk

You can not argue in anyway that a PC is the core. First off, since when did we begin calling devkits Personal Computers? Second, this is the gaming INDUSTRY, as in SALES, (it is a BUSINESS, REMEMBER????) The sale of these projects is attributed to what userbase?

Now name an iconic PC figure. Just one.......

[QUOTE="Benny_Blakk"]

Fact is that CONSOLES made gaming popular, not PC's! There have been movies, TV shows, constant music and cultural references center around console IP's, not PC. Fact is that Consoles are the basis of the gaming industry. 300,000,000 is a hell of a lot, don't you think?

skrat_01

#1- "Making" games popular? You're a little late to the party, pal. SONY, Nintendo, SEGA, etc already sold hundreds of millions of consoles and games before the very first smarthphone or tablet even came into existence. Super Mario had comic books, a cartoon, and a movie before Yahoo! was even established!

#2- How can you even try to attribute/credit PC for the popularity of gaming and video games as an industry when PC's didn't even become commonplace till late 90's, early 00's when the consoles were already in the 6th generation?

#3- "Console IPs get more media exposure? Well when you've got companies riding the success of these games to push units, naturally that's always the case" Which would be more appropriate, folks? "Excuses, excuses", or "Cry Me A River"?

#4- You're hanging a LOT on Angry Birds (ANGRY BIRDS!!!), and THAT speaks VOLUMES!!!

#5- The basis for any industry is sales. What is the most cost effective means of delivering your product, widening your market, and reap a profit. That is why Arcades went the way of the dinosaur and why PC (for all its "greatness") is still an "alternative", and never was the go to in the gaming industry.

Let me make this more simple for you and anyone who follows:

Let us equate the gaming industry to the automotive industry. PC is like Mercedes. Luxurious, good quality, and sets standards at times.

Console is like Toyota. Good bang for your buck, gets the job done, etc.

If Mercedes disappeared tomorrow, that would totally suck..... BUT we'd hardly miss a step.

If Toyota disappeared tomorrow........ We'd have a catastrophe on our hands!

See the difference?

 So if PC gaming was so great, why are developers defecting.

 

megaspiderweb09

Actually it's the opposite.

there seems to be more of a trend where console only games are quickly becoming PC titles too.

No one Suspected Brutal Legend to come to PC.

No one Suspected Resident Evil Revelations to come to PC.

I wouldn't be surprised if Red Dead Redemption comes to PC.

[QUOTE="Benny_Blakk"]

[QUOTE="skrat_01"]Do you pay attention to console fanboys? Idiots everywhere. The 'core base' of most games is a really dumb statement to make honestly, it can be argued the PC is that considering most games are developed for the platform; they might not be triple A titles, but that's where the vast majority of games end up, and of course, then there's the case of smartphones and tablets these days.skrat_01

You can not argue in anyway that a PC is the core. First off, since when did we begin calling devkits Personal Computers? Second, this is the gaming INDUSTRY, as in SALES, (it is a BUSINESS, REMEMBER????) The sale of these projects is attributed to what userbase?

Now name an iconic PC figure. Just one.......

I'm trying not to be rude, but having this discussion always results in digression of the extreme types to disuade from an already made (and very clear to anyone but those who don't want to accept it) point. Computers are important in the development of cars and airplanes, but we're not attributing their sales to Apple, are we? NO!

I've already pointed the importance of PC gaming, but for a PC pundit to acknowledge the impact and importance of Consoles is far too taxing. Sad......