This.Console exclusives. And the Wii has no games argument.
Silverbond
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I've seen tons.
-"HD doesn't look that much better than SD."
-"That game that sold 3 million copies, has a 90 percent approval at metacritic, and is lots of fun, is a flop because Gamespot gave it an 8.5."
-"Who cares if that gamesnot exlusive anymore. I played in 8 months ago."
-"It's a download game so it doesn't count."
-Defending companies that charge more for something the other companies sell for less. Xbox owners shouldn't be ok paying foronline multiplayerwhen it's free for every other platform. Xbox owners shouldn't defend the hard drive or wireless adapter either.
-"Your system has no games." (ignoring multiplats)
-Sony fanboys were defending some silly stuff like the sixaxis not having rumble a few years ago.
"Oh i forgot all PS3 owners have a 6 million dollar gaming rig"
Really it doesnt take an expensive comp to run %98.
Not to mention a lot of people, like me,probably picked PS over Xbox BECAUSE they have a gaming rig.
How about comparing graphics of exclusives when there is no basis for comparison?[QUOTE="dsmccracken"][QUOTE="Zerocrossings"]
Comparing graphics between multiplats when there are minimal differences.
Zerocrossings
For example?
You need an example? Your post count tells me this is not your first rodeo, so how is it you need an example? How about "Gears 2 looks better than Uncharted."[QUOTE="RickLemieux"]
[QUOTE="Zerocrossings"]
For example?
Zerocrossings
I think he means comparing Uncharted 2 to Xbox 360 games. We don't know if it can be done on the 360, because it was never done.
Competing for console graphics king, though annoying, is a fair basis for comparison imo.
You can compare multiplats, because it's apples vs. apples. How do you compare two games that are completely different and aren't on each other's systems? Can the 360 run KZ2? WHO THE HELL KNOWS?! Does Uncharted look better than Gears 2? Yes to some, no to others... yeah, that "fair comparison" sure settles things...And most cows tend to forget that not everyone is into PC gaming and act like 360/PC games can't be played for Lems even though it's on their system without needing a gaming PC. I'm just pointing this out to cows who believe that though, not all of them."Oh i forgot all PS3 owners have a 6 million dollar gaming rig"
Really it doesnt take an expensive comp to run %98.
Not to mention a lot of people, like me,probably picked PS over Xbox BECAUSE they have a gaming rig.
brennan7777
A perfect example is my older brother, he's never played a PC game before and plays his 360.
[QUOTE="RickLemieux"]
[QUOTE="Zerocrossings"]
Competing for console graphics king, though annoying, is a fair basis for comparison imo.
Zerocrossings
I agree, but how do we really know what would have happened if "fill in the game" was released for the other system.
Well yeah i agree that that arguement is retarded. What im talking about is when they are comparing Uncharted 2 graphicsto Gears 2, which is fine imo.
But how do you compare? What top team of scientists is chosen to measure (and using what and how many measures, decided by whom) this by NASA?[QUOTE="legol1"]if a game is on pc and 360 but not on the ps3 its not a 360 exclusive BUT ITS A GAME PS3ONLY OWNER CANT PLAY .want it or not its some kind of ownage for lemmings , end of storyskektek
No sorry. You can't just redefine words to conform to your point of view.
i didnt change the word in anyway but fact are fact ps3 only owner cant play those games and this is ownage want it or not live with it.[QUOTE="legol1"]if a game is on pc and 360 but not on the ps3 its not a 360 exclusive BUT ITS A GAME PS3ONLY OWNER CANT PLAY .want it or not its some kind of ownage for lemmings , end of storyskektek
No sorry. You can't just redefine words to conform to your point of view.
Tell me, which word did he redefine and where. His "point of view" is that PS3 can't play a 360/PC game. That seems more like a fact than a "point of view." Do you dispute this? I'll be waiting.That is a fair analysis, but remember, you therefore required a minimum $500 PC and $300 PS3 to come to the place you're at in order to bypass a $250 360."Oh i forgot all PS3 owners have a 6 million dollar gaming rig"
Really it doesnt take an expensive comp to run %98.
Not to mention a lot of people, like me,probably picked PS over Xbox BECAUSE they have a gaming rig.
brennan7777
[QUOTE="Zerocrossings"][QUOTE="RickLemieux"]
I agree, but how do we really know what would have happened if "fill in the game" was released for the other system.
dsmccracken
Well yeah i agree that that arguement is retarded. What im talking about is when they are comparing Uncharted 2 graphicsto Gears 2, which is fine imo.
But how do you compare? What top team of scientists is chosen to measure (and using what and how many measures, decided by whom) this by NASA?What? You cant tell which game looks better just by looking?
[QUOTE="brennan7777"]That is a fair analysis, but remember, you therefore required a minimum $500 PC and $300 PS3 to come to the place you're at in order to bypass a $250 360. Well I bought the PC i'm using before this gen even started. Its had a few minor upgrads but nothing big. Its not like i went out and bought the two the same day. I'm just saying a PC is necessary for more things than gaming and often if your buying a PC for something else it will still be able to play majority of the games."Oh i forgot all PS3 owners have a 6 million dollar gaming rig"
Really it doesnt take an expensive comp to run %98.
Not to mention a lot of people, like me,probably picked PS over Xbox BECAUSE they have a gaming rig.
dsmccracken
But how do you compare? What top team of scientists is chosen to measure (and using what and how many measures, decided by whom) this by NASA?[QUOTE="dsmccracken"][QUOTE="Zerocrossings"]
Well yeah i agree that that arguement is retarded. What im talking about is when they are comparing Uncharted 2 graphicsto Gears 2, which is fine imo.
Zerocrossings
What? You cant tell which game looks better just by looking?
Just by looking, which completely different game looks better? If they are at all comparable.... no, I can't. Who looks better, Jessica Biel or Jessica Alba? Both hot, but different girls. How do you quantify that? I can't, I'll tell you that.That is a fair analysis, but remember, you therefore required a minimum $500 PC and $300 PS3 to come to the place you're at in order to bypass a $250 360. Well I bought the PC i'm using before this gen even started. Its had a few minor upgrads but nothing big. Its not like i went out and bought the two the same day. I'm just saying a PC is necessary for more things than gaming and often if your buying a PC for something else it will still be able to play majority of the games. It doesn't matter when you bought your PC, and it doesn't matter what else you use it for. If you paid money for it (as opposed to it appearing miraculously on your desk, say) and you use it for gaming (and more to the point, in an argument about how it negates the need for a 360), then it's cost must be indicated as necessary on top of the cost of a PS3 in order to cancel out Mass Effect. Put it this way. You bought your car to get to work, to go to the cottage on weekends, to run errands, to take the kids to ballet. You didn't buy it for any one task, but you had to pay the whole price in order to do any one task. So if you only use, say, 10% of you PC time for gaming, that doesn't mean that you didn't need to outlay 100% for that pleasure.[QUOTE="dsmccracken"][QUOTE="brennan7777"]
"Oh i forgot all PS3 owners have a 6 million dollar gaming rig"
Really it doesnt take an expensive comp to run %98.
Not to mention a lot of people, like me,probably picked PS over Xbox BECAUSE they have a gaming rig.
brennan7777
[QUOTE="Zerocrossings"][QUOTE="dsmccracken"] But how do you compare? What top team of scientists is chosen to measure (and using what and how many measures, decided by whom) this by NASA?dsmccracken
What? You cant tell which game looks better just by looking?
Just by looking, which completely different game looks better? If they are at all comparable.... no, I can't. Who looks better, Jessica Biel or Jessica Alba? Both hot, but different girls. How do you quantify that? I can't, I'll tell you that. Jessica Biel for me, oh yeah baby.:PBut in all seriousness, it's most likely subjective sadly, and even then it's hard to find a clear answer.
Just by looking, which completely different game looks better? If they are at all comparable.... no, I can't. Who looks better, Jessica Biel or Jessica Alba? Both hot, but different girls. How do you quantify that? I can't, I'll tell you that. Jessica Biel for me, oh yeah baby.:P[QUOTE="dsmccracken"][QUOTE="Zerocrossings"]
What? You cant tell which game looks better just by looking?
mitu123
But in all seriousness, it's most likely subjective sadly, and even then it's hard to find a clear answer.
Exactly, the whole point is that if they are at all even close, how can you tell which is "better?" Different art styles means preference, not superiority. My eye can like an art style better, but it can't tell which is actually better in any quantifiable and trustworthy way.[QUOTE="Zerocrossings"][QUOTE="dsmccracken"] But how do you compare? What top team of scientists is chosen to measure (and using what and how many measures, decided by whom) this by NASA?dsmccracken
What? You cant tell which game looks better just by looking?
Just by looking, which completely different game looks better? If they are at all comparable.... no, I can't. Who looks better, Jessica Biel or Jessica Alba? Both hot, but different girls. How do you quantify that? I can't, I'll tell you that.Oh i finally get what you are trying to say. So basically graphics is subjective and arguing about it is dumb? Ok. I kinda have a different view though.
[QUOTE="legol1"]if a game is on pc and 360 but not on the ps3 its not a 360 exclusive BUT ITS A GAME PS3ONLY OWNER CANT PLAY .want it or not its some kind of ownage for lemmings , end of storyMidnightshade29sorry bud, the pc is it's own platform.and it's against the rules of sw to say it isn't.you should learn to read first and reply after.
[QUOTE="Midnightshade29"][QUOTE="legol1"]if a game is on pc and 360 but not on the ps3 its not a 360 exclusive BUT ITS A GAME PS3ONLY OWNER CANT PLAY .want it or not its some kind of ownage for lemmings , end of storylegol1sorry bud, the pc is it's own platform.and it's against the rules of sw to say it isn't.you should learn to read first and reply after. True, lems win either way, cows need 2 systems to compete, he probably thought you said 360/PC games are 360 exclusives, I sure hope not.
Just by looking, which completely different game looks better? If they are at all comparable.... no, I can't. Who looks better, Jessica Biel or Jessica Alba? Both hot, but different girls. How do you quantify that? I can't, I'll tell you that.[QUOTE="dsmccracken"][QUOTE="Zerocrossings"]
What? You cant tell which game looks better just by looking?
Zerocrossings
Oh i finally get what you are trying to say. So basically graphics is subjective and arguing about it is dumb? Ok. I kinda have a different view though.
I don't think it's completely subjective, MGS4 obviously looks better than Pong, but to debate whether four pixels in Snake's codpiece looks better than the top 5 pixels in Master Chiefs left pectoral is a complete waste of time.[QUOTE="Midnightshade29"][QUOTE="legol1"]if a game is on pc and 360 but not on the ps3 its not a 360 exclusive BUT ITS A GAME PS3ONLY OWNER CANT PLAY .want it or not its some kind of ownage for lemmings , end of storylegol1sorry bud, the pc is it's own platform.and it's against the rules of sw to say it isn't.you should learn to read first and reply after. I know. At what point did he read "PC doesn't exist." All you said was that a 360/PC game isn't on the PS3... and it isn't. Seems like he's answering what he wants you to be saying, not what you're actually saying.
[QUOTE="legol1"][QUOTE="Midnightshade29"] sorry bud, the pc is it's own platform.and it's against the rules of sw to say it isn't.dsmccrackenyou should learn to read first and reply after. I know. At what point did he read "PC doesn't exist." All you said was that a 360/PC game isn't on the PS3... and it isn't. Seems like he's answering what he wants you to be saying, not what you're actually saying. Exactly, all cows do that(pretty much), they're not even thinking before posting.:lol:
Just brouse a page or 2 and look at the locked threads...Read them real good..Those are the topics that get on my nerves. I really think SW is a bad idea and its full of no win arguments that go nowhere ,get locked, and cause problems..jm2c
* ALL "graphics kings" topics
* Xbox 360 is dated and/or "maxed out"
* library comparisons that are only year-by-year
* wow, this console outsold the rest... by ONE MONTH! Victory is assured!
* is overrated, and I am so cool for knowing better than all of you
* sales = quality
* the review score was paid for
anytime the words "confirmed" or "proven" or "fail" are used here. That is NEVER the case.:P
also any time a fanboy for one system tries to say that someone elses system is not as good as his.
At least half the threads in SW sound like someone was trying to make a joke.:wink:
if a game is on pc and 360 but not on the ps3 its not a 360 exclusive BUT ITS A GAME PS3ONLY OWNER CANT PLAY .want it or not its some kind of ownage for lemmings , end of storylegol1
Lemmings did the same thing to damage control MLB09 when it got AAA, so don't act like it's just 360/PC multiplats that these arguements are used against.
You're missing the whole point of this arguement anyways. The fact of the matter is that you don't need a 360 to play those games. Plain and simple. 99% of the time they're way better on the PC anyways. You can say PS3 owners don't always own gaming ready PC's if you want, but it doesn't matter because almost everyone that can afford to buy a PS3 probably has a PC too... and if they want to play a certain game not on the PS3 enough to make some upgrades on their PC to play it, that's up to them... but when it comes down to it, they will NEVER have to buy a 360 if they want to play those games. That's why there's no ownage to be claimed.
-The reviewer is biased.
-The reviewer was payed off by *insert company here*
-______ console is maxed out. All further games will be considered inferior.
-But it scored ___ on Gamerankings.
-But it scored ___ on Metacritics.
-Sales don't matter (when something sells poorly)
-Console exclusives
-Standards change over time. An AAA game 2 years ago won't be AAA today, so therefore those games shouldn't count.
the usual questions :- Help me decide which console or handheld I should get... pppfff the sole intention for such threads is to serve as flame bait to fanboys who end up arguing which is the better system..
If millions of people bought/played/enjoyed it, then it must be good.
The following prove it wrong:
Twilight
Every god awful pop band or pop fad from the 90s
Every god awful pop band or pop fad from today (stares at Disney Channel)
Holy Books (they all sell a lot and they can't all be right)
Full House (8 seasons is nothing to sneeze at)
LOGIC!
Its official! PS3 is better then 360! (by some random troll)
or:
GT5P vs Forza 3 graphics (personaly i find this a honour, a 2 year old PS3 exclusive being compared to a brand new 360 exclusives in graphics :D)
Halo is greatest FPS evah!
Game on console X scores a 9.0 or higher - Fanboy of console Y says "The review isn't credible because Gamespot is biased / got paid off by company Y / overrated the game...etc."
Game on console Y scores a 9.0 or higher - Fanboy of console Y says "Amazing game confirmed since Gamespot scored it high!"
ts official! PS3 is better then 360! (by some random troll)chaplainDMK
or vice versa any time "official" or some variation is used and the claim one system (especially 360 vs PS3) is so called "proven" to be better than the other you know that a heap of balderdash is on the way.
The overuse of IMO. People use it as a way to say something outrageous without backing it up. I know in real life I don't follow everything with "In my opinion," I try to persuade people to my side of the argument. If it seems like we can't come to any sort of an agreement, then I might just say that we have a difference of opinions, but not without trying to convince them first.
-The reviewer is biased.
-The reviewer was payed off by *insert company here*
-______ console is maxed out. All further games will be considered inferior.
-But it scored ___ on Gamerankings.
-But it scored ___ on Metacritics.
-Sales don't matter (when something sells poorly)
-Console exclusives
-Standards change over time. An AAA game 2 years ago won't be AAA today, so therefore those games shouldn't count.SpinoRaptor24
This as well as:
[QUOTE="skektek"][QUOTE="legol1"]if a game is on pc and 360 but not on the ps3 its not a 360 exclusive BUT ITS A GAME PS3ONLY OWNER CANT PLAY .want it or not its some kind of ownage for lemmings , end of storydsmccracken
No sorry. You can't just redefine words to conform to your point of view.
Tell me, which word did he redefine and where. His "point of view" is that PS3 can't play a 360/PC game. That seems more like a fact than a "point of view." Do you dispute this? I'll be waiting.This is in regards to the discussion that a game is somehow a "console exclusive" if it is released only on the PC and 360. A nonsensical term whos meaning is deformed to confirm to the point of view that it is some kind of ownage derived from exclusivity.
While he specifically concedes that such a title is not a "360 exclusive" he is continuing in that same vain of argument: that there is some kind of 3rd kingdom of exclusivity that can be used as ownage.
Other games sales being compared to Halo, when people use the 54% failure rate figure, the old "Cows need PS3 and PC to compete against 360" chestnut, the "Year of x console (mostly PS3)" line, whenever a few crazy cows/lemmings say something stupid the entire cow/lemming group then gets accused of saying it, X console fanboys are worse than Y console fanboys, etc. These are all horribly, horribly stupid.
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