What can Sony do not to be percieved as a complete FAILURE this gen?
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How can you go from selling 120 million PS2's and having a commanding lead in marketshare to .... the PS3, and not be percieved as a complete failure?gomanthethird
ask nintendo, they failed for 10 years
they didnt fail. it will be around longer then the 360 and the wii. plus its won the format war for sony and the partners so its already a success.prodiqy32That's nothing more than a prediction. And the format war and console ware are two completley different things. Anything less than a dominant victory for Sony in the console war, given the preformance of the PS2, will be percieved by the masses as a failure.
another day of this, huh?
How many more of these threads can we expect?
The PS3 is competing with the 360 and hasn't released ANY of its big games yet.
[QUOTE="gomanthethird"]How can you go from selling 120 million PS2's and having a commanding lead in marketshare to .... the PS3, and not be percieved as a complete failure?warmaster670
ask nintendo, they failed for 10 years
I like how you edited your post from,"they've been failing for 10 years now",
to "they failed for 10 years""
:lol:
they didnt fail. it will be around longer then the 360 and the wii. plus its won the format war for sony and the partners so its already a success.prodiqy32
I like the PS3, but this is a pretty weak argument. No one knows how long each console will last and the format war has nothing to do with the system war. The spaciousness of Blu-ray is a plus, but what format movie studios are backing should hold little sway in determining the better game console. Anyways....
I don't think Sony is a failure, but one way they can really impress me is by making LittleBigPlanet as awesome as it looks.
[QUOTE="warmaster670"][QUOTE="gomanthethird"]How can you go from selling 120 million PS2's and having a commanding lead in marketshare to .... the PS3, and not be percieved as a complete failure?gomanthethird
ask nintendo, they failed for 10 years
I like how you edited your post from,"they've been failing for 10 years now",
to "they failed for 10 years""
:lol:
ya so? was more th point i was trying to make, them failing now is my opinion, where them failing before is pretty much fact.
How is being neck and neck with the 360 not a failure when last gen they sold 6x more than the Xbox?i don't think PS 3 is a complete failure as it goes neck to neck with the 360 in its first year sales. i mean it should be doing better compared to the 360, since 360 had a headstart with no next gen competition to begin with.
Gam3smar7
[QUOTE="Gam3smar7"]How is being neck and neck with the 360 not a failure when last gen they sold 6x more than the Xbox?i don't think PS 3 is a complete failure as it goes neck to neck with the 360 in its first year sales. i mean it should be doing better compared to the 360, since 360 had a headstart with no next gen competition to begin with.
gomanthethird
how does an a new product thats been out for a little over a year not selling as much as a product thats been out for 7 years make it a failure?
not to mention, even if it didnt sell as much as the ps2, still doesnt make it a failure
[QUOTE="prodiqy32"]they didnt fail. it will be around longer then the 360 and the wii. plus its won the format war for sony and the partners so its already a success.gomanthethirdThat's nothing more than a prediction. And the format war and console ware are two completley different things. Anything less than a dominant victory for Sony in the console war, given the preformance of the PS2, will be percieved by the masses as a failure.
This is what you don't get.
The PS3 and the 360 are a completely different product than the Wii.
Why?
Because of the features.
Do you honestly expect a 600 dollar multimedia device to sell 100 million units? Did you think Sony expected it would?
No.
Why?
Because the videogame market is dominated by casuals. The vast majority of casuals aren't going to dump that much money into a videogame console.
The PS3/360 is aimed at consumers who are into new technology and do it all media products. They want/care about HD, next gen sound, Blu ray, HD/DVD, online interactivity, etc.
The Wii gets back to gaming's roots. Its simple, its accessible, anyone can play it, and the games encourage multiple players that are actually in the same room with you.
[QUOTE="gomanthethird"]How can you go from selling 120 million PS2's and having a commanding lead in marketshare to .... the PS3, and not be percieved as a complete failure?warmaster670
ask nintendo, they failed for 10 years
Sorry, they were actually profitable, so asking them is asking how to fail at failing.
[QUOTE="warmaster670"][QUOTE="gomanthethird"]How can you go from selling 120 million PS2's and having a commanding lead in marketshare to .... the PS3, and not be percieved as a complete failure?Tnasty11
ask nintendo, they failed for 10 years
/ THREAD
How does Nintendo's abysmal, yet profitable (the same cant be said for the PS3) performance with the N64 and GC do anything to take away from my point that the PS3 is a complete failure in its own right? Living in the past will do little to change Sony's fortunes this gen.That's nothing more than a prediction. And the format war and console ware are two completley different things. Anything less than a dominant victory for Sony in the console war, given the preformance of the PS2, will be percieved by the masses as a failure.[QUOTE="gomanthethird"][QUOTE="prodiqy32"]they didnt fail. it will be around longer then the 360 and the wii. plus its won the format war for sony and the partners so its already a success.NavigatorsGhost
This is what you don't get.
The PS3 and the 360 are a completely different product than the Wii.
Why?
Because of the features.
Do you honestly expect a 600 dollar multimedia device to sell 100 million units? Did you think Sony expected it would?
No.
Why?
Because the videogame market is dominated by casuals. The vast majority of casuals aren't going to dump that much money into a videogame console.
The PS3/360 is aimed at consumers who are into new technology and do it all media products. They want/care about HD, next gen sound, Blu ray, HD/DVD, online interactivity, etc.
The Wii gets back to gaming's roots. Its simple, its accessible, anyone can play it, and the games encourage multiple players that are actually in the same room with you.
You're still going to use the excuse that the PS3 cost 600 bucks? :lol:Hasnt it dropped in value faster than any other console in history?
The PS2 was considered a high end multimedia device when it launched and did exceedingly well.
I dont see where you're going with this.
[QUOTE="gomanthethird"][QUOTE="warmaster670"][QUOTE="gomanthethird"]How can you go from selling 120 million PS2's and having a commanding lead in marketshare to .... the PS3, and not be percieved as a complete failure?warmaster670
ask nintendo, they failed for 10 years
I like how you edited your post from,"they've been failing for 10 years now",
to "they failed for 10 years""
:lol:
ya so? was more th point i was trying to make, them failing now is my opinion, where them failing before is pretty much fact.
It's your opinion that Nintendo is still failing????? ......... wait.......... :lol:[QUOTE="Tnasty11"][QUOTE="warmaster670"][QUOTE="gomanthethird"]How can you go from selling 120 million PS2's and having a commanding lead in marketshare to .... the PS3, and not be percieved as a complete failure?gomanthethird
ask nintendo, they failed for 10 years
/ THREAD
How does Nintendo's abysmal, yet profitable (the same cant be said for the PS3) performance with the N64 and GC do anything to take away from my point that the PS3 is a complete failure in its own right? Living in the past will do little to change Sony's fortunes this gen.why did the N64 fail to the PS1 despite they won with the SNES ?
why did the GC sold less than the N64 despite it came in second place?
I like how you edited your post from,
"they've been failing for 10 years now",
to "they failed for 10 years""
:lol:
gomanthethird
still doesnt change the fact they were failures fanboy
[QUOTE="gomanthethird"][QUOTE="Tnasty11"][QUOTE="warmaster670"][QUOTE="gomanthethird"]How can you go from selling 120 million PS2's and having a commanding lead in marketshare to .... the PS3, and not be percieved as a complete failure?Tnasty11
ask nintendo, they failed for 10 years
/ THREAD
How does Nintendo's abysmal, yet profitable (the same cant be said for the PS3) performance with the N64 and GC do anything to take away from my point that the PS3 is a complete failure in its own right? Living in the past will do little to change Sony's fortunes this gen.why did the N64 fail to the PS1 despite they won with the SNES ?
why did the GC sold less than the N64 despite it came in second place?
What does these historical events have to do with the PS3?You know your consoles is a failure when you have to bring up failed consoles from history to try to make it look better lol
How can you go from selling 120 million PS2's and having a commanding lead in marketshare to .... the PS3, and not be percieved as a complete failure?gomanthethird
You can't. It is a failure, the only question is how big of a failure? The only perspective that matters is the business perspective because it is the only one that will influence the shape of things to come. Fanboy thoughts mean nothing. And the business perspective is an astonishing collapse of a dominat market position in record time. Free fall. That means more resources directed by industry players to the other systems. That doesn't mean literal failure...as in PS3 will stop being made. And Sony might even make it to #2 by the end. However, regardless of the final numbers the fall has already been great and this will be written up for years to come as a horrible product launch.
[QUOTE="NavigatorsGhost"]That's nothing more than a prediction. And the format war and console ware are two completley different things. Anything less than a dominant victory for Sony in the console war, given the preformance of the PS2, will be percieved by the masses as a failure.[QUOTE="gomanthethird"][QUOTE="prodiqy32"]they didnt fail. it will be around longer then the 360 and the wii. plus its won the format war for sony and the partners so its already a success.gomanthethird
This is what you don't get.
The PS3 and the 360 are a completely different product than the Wii.
Why?
Because of the features.
Do you honestly expect a 600 dollar multimedia device to sell 100 million units? Did you think Sony expected it would?
No.
Why?
Because the videogame market is dominated by casuals. The vast majority of casuals aren't going to dump that much money into a videogame console.
The PS3/360 is aimed at consumers who are into new technology and do it all media products. They want/care about HD, next gen sound, Blu ray, HD/DVD, online interactivity, etc.
The Wii gets back to gaming's roots. Its simple, its accessible, anyone can play it, and the games encourage multiple players that are actually in the same room with you.
You're still going to use the excuse that the PS3 cost 600 bucks? :lol:Hasnt it dropped in value faster than any other console in history?
The PS2 was considered a high end multimedia device when it launched and did exceedingly well.
I dont see where you're going with this.
Why is this hard to understand?
The PS2 was always comparatively priced with its competitors. And the features in that console generation did not differ that much from console to console. It all came down to games, as pretty much every console generation has so far.
Sony put out a product in the PS3 which was unlike anything ever attempted in console gaming before. They didn't know how it would go over and its price was dictated by its production cost.
No way in hell they were expecting the same immediate results that the PS2 delivered.
When the PS3 was released, it had to go head to head with the Wii.
A 500-600 dollar console going against a 250 dollar console.
Who do you think is going to win that battle when it comes to the casuals?
You've got the Wii, which is far less cheaper, has identifiable characters (because its nintendo and they've been using the same ones over and over again) that casuals recognize, and a new device in the "wiimote", which looks like a fun little piece of technology that non-gamers could even find entertaining.
On the other side you've got a 500-600 dollar piece of high end technology. Its got features that casuals don't even understand, let alone need and/or want in a gaming console. Its launch titles mean nothing to casuals, because it has no reconizable characters or series.
Do you see the difference?
[QUOTE="gomanthethird"]How can you go from selling 120 million PS2's and having a commanding lead in marketshare to .... the PS3, and not be percieved as a complete failure?SUD123456
You can't. It is a failure, the only question is how big of a failure? The only perspective that matters is the business perspective because it is the only one that will influence the shape of things to come. Fanboy thoughts mean nothing. And the business perspective is an astonishing collapse of a dominat market position in record time. Free fall. That means more resources directed by industry players to the other systems. That doesn't mean literal failure...as in PS3 will stop being made. And Sony might even make it to #2 by the end. However, regardless of the final numbers the fall has already been great and this will be written up for years to come as a horrible product launch.
Best reply of the thread awarded.[QUOTE="gomanthethird"][QUOTE="NavigatorsGhost"]That's nothing more than a prediction. And the format war and console ware are two completley different things. Anything less than a dominant victory for Sony in the console war, given the preformance of the PS2, will be percieved by the masses as a failure.[QUOTE="gomanthethird"][QUOTE="prodiqy32"]they didnt fail. it will be around longer then the 360 and the wii. plus its won the format war for sony and the partners so its already a success.NavigatorsGhost
This is what you don't get.
The PS3 and the 360 are a completely different product than the Wii.
Why?
Because of the features.
Do you honestly expect a 600 dollar multimedia device to sell 100 million units? Did you think Sony expected it would?
No.
Why?
Because the videogame market is dominated by casuals. The vast majority of casuals aren't going to dump that much money into a videogame console.
The PS3/360 is aimed at consumers who are into new technology and do it all media products. They want/care about HD, next gen sound, Blu ray, HD/DVD, online interactivity, etc.
The Wii gets back to gaming's roots. Its simple, its accessible, anyone can play it, and the games encourage multiple players that are actually in the same room with you.
You're still going to use the excuse that the PS3 cost 600 bucks? :lol:Hasnt it dropped in value faster than any other console in history?
The PS2 was considered a high end multimedia device when it launched and did exceedingly well.
I dont see where you're going with this.
Why is this hard to understand?
The PS2 was always comparatively priced with its competitors. And the features in that console generation did not differ that much from console to console. It all came down to games, as pretty much every console generation has so far.
Sony put out a product in the PS3 which was unlike anything ever attempted in console gaming before. They didn't know how it would go over and its price was dictated by its production cost.
No way in hell they were expecting the same immediate results that the PS2 delivered.
When the PS3 was released, it had to go head to head with the Wii.
A 500-600 dollar console going against a 250 dollar console.
Who do you think is going to win that battle when it comes to the casuals?
You've got the Wii, which is far less cheaper, has identifiable characters (because its nintendo and they've been using the same ones over and over again) that casuals recognize, and a new device in the "wiimote", which looks like a fun little piece of technology that non-gamers could even find entertaining.
On the other side you've got a 500-600 dollar piece of high end technology. Its got features that casuals don't even understand, let alone need and/or want in a gaming console. Its launch titles mean nothing to casuals, because it has no reconizable characters or series.
Do you see the difference?
Please stop trying to make it sound like the Wii was expected to win.... It's quite embarassing.Sony themselves stated they could sell 50 million PS3's without even releasing any games :lol:
I guess they over-estimated their brandname and underestimated peoples intelligence.
How can you go from selling 120 million PS2's and having a commanding lead in marketshare to .... the PS3, and not be percieved as a complete failure?gomanthethirdNothing. The only ones considering them a failure are dorky internet fanboys. In the REAL world, it isn't a failure.
[QUOTE="NavigatorsGhost"][QUOTE="gomanthethird"][QUOTE="NavigatorsGhost"]That's nothing more than a prediction. And the format war and console ware are two completley different things. Anything less than a dominant victory for Sony in the console war, given the preformance of the PS2, will be percieved by the masses as a failure.[QUOTE="gomanthethird"][QUOTE="prodiqy32"]they didnt fail. it will be around longer then the 360 and the wii. plus its won the format war for sony and the partners so its already a success.gomanthethird
This is what you don't get.
The PS3 and the 360 are a completely different product than the Wii.
Why?
Because of the features.
Do you honestly expect a 600 dollar multimedia device to sell 100 million units? Did you think Sony expected it would?
No.
Why?
Because the videogame market is dominated by casuals. The vast majority of casuals aren't going to dump that much money into a videogame console.
The PS3/360 is aimed at consumers who are into new technology and do it all media products. They want/care about HD, next gen sound, Blu ray, HD/DVD, online interactivity, etc.
The Wii gets back to gaming's roots. Its simple, its accessible, anyone can play it, and the games encourage multiple players that are actually in the same room with you.
You're still going to use the excuse that the PS3 cost 600 bucks? :lol:Hasnt it dropped in value faster than any other console in history?
The PS2 was considered a high end multimedia device when it launched and did exceedingly well.
I dont see where you're going with this.
Why is this hard to understand?
The PS2 was always comparatively priced with its competitors. And the features in that console generation did not differ that much from console to console. It all came down to games, as pretty much every console generation has so far.
Sony put out a product in the PS3 which was unlike anything ever attempted in console gaming before. They didn't know how it would go over and its price was dictated by its production cost.
No way in hell they were expecting the same immediate results that the PS2 delivered.
When the PS3 was released, it had to go head to head with the Wii.
A 500-600 dollar console going against a 250 dollar console.
Who do you think is going to win that battle when it comes to the casuals?
You've got the Wii, which is far less cheaper, has identifiable characters (because its nintendo and they've been using the same ones over and over again) that casuals recognize, and a new device in the "wiimote", which looks like a fun little piece of technology that non-gamers could even find entertaining.
On the other side you've got a 500-600 dollar piece of high end technology. Its got features that casuals don't even understand, let alone need and/or want in a gaming console. Its launch titles mean nothing to casuals, because it has no reconizable characters or series.
Do you see the difference?
Please stop trying to make it sound like the Wii was expected to win.... It's quite embarassing.Sony themselves stated they could sell 50 million PS3's without even releasing any games :lol:
I guess they over-estimated their brandname and underestimated peoples intelligence.
they said 5 million not 50 million :|
[QUOTE="gomanthethird"][QUOTE="NavigatorsGhost"][QUOTE="gomanthethird"][QUOTE="NavigatorsGhost"]That's nothing more than a prediction. And the format war and console ware are two completley different things. Anything less than a dominant victory for Sony in the console war, given the preformance of the PS2, will be percieved by the masses as a failure.[QUOTE="gomanthethird"][QUOTE="prodiqy32"]they didnt fail. it will be around longer then the 360 and the wii. plus its won the format war for sony and the partners so its already a success.Tnasty11
This is what you don't get.
The PS3 and the 360 are a completely different product than the Wii.
Why?
Because of the features.
Do you honestly expect a 600 dollar multimedia device to sell 100 million units? Did you think Sony expected it would?
No.
Why?
Because the videogame market is dominated by casuals. The vast majority of casuals aren't going to dump that much money into a videogame console.
The PS3/360 is aimed at consumers who are into new technology and do it all media products. They want/care about HD, next gen sound, Blu ray, HD/DVD, online interactivity, etc.
The Wii gets back to gaming's roots. Its simple, its accessible, anyone can play it, and the games encourage multiple players that are actually in the same room with you.
You're still going to use the excuse that the PS3 cost 600 bucks? :lol:Hasnt it dropped in value faster than any other console in history?
The PS2 was considered a high end multimedia device when it launched and did exceedingly well.
I dont see where you're going with this.
Why is this hard to understand?
The PS2 was always comparatively priced with its competitors. And the features in that console generation did not differ that much from console to console. It all came down to games, as pretty much every console generation has so far.
Sony put out a product in the PS3 which was unlike anything ever attempted in console gaming before. They didn't know how it would go over and its price was dictated by its production cost.
No way in hell they were expecting the same immediate results that the PS2 delivered.
When the PS3 was released, it had to go head to head with the Wii.
A 500-600 dollar console going against a 250 dollar console.
Who do you think is going to win that battle when it comes to the casuals?
You've got the Wii, which is far less cheaper, has identifiable characters (because its nintendo and they've been using the same ones over and over again) that casuals recognize, and a new device in the "wiimote", which looks like a fun little piece of technology that non-gamers could even find entertaining.
On the other side you've got a 500-600 dollar piece of high end technology. Its got features that casuals don't even understand, let alone need and/or want in a gaming console. Its launch titles mean nothing to casuals, because it has no reconizable characters or series.
Do you see the difference?
Please stop trying to make it sound like the Wii was expected to win.... It's quite embarassing.Sony themselves stated they could sell 50 million PS3's without even releasing any games :lol:
I guess they over-estimated their brandname and underestimated peoples intelligence.
they said 5 million not 50 million :|
ahh, facts will only make it angry, step back and watch the fanboys ina ction, dont touch them or feed them
[QUOTE="NavigatorsGhost"]Please stop trying to make it sound like the Wii was expected to win.... It's quite embarassing.Why is this hard to understand?
The PS2 was always comparatively priced with its competitors. And the features in that console generation did not differ that much from console to console. It all came down to games, as pretty much every console generation has so far.
Sony put out a product in the PS3 which was unlike anything ever attempted in console gaming before. They didn't know how it would go over and its price was dictated by its production cost.
No way in hell they were expecting the same immediate results that the PS2 delivered.
When the PS3 was released, it had to go head to head with the Wii.
A 500-600 dollar console going against a 250 dollar console.
Who do you think is going to win that battle when it comes to the casuals?
You've got the Wii, which is far less cheaper, has identifiable characters (because its nintendo and they've been using the same ones over and over again) that casuals recognize, and a new device in the "wiimote", which looks like a fun little piece of technology that non-gamers could even find entertaining.
On the other side you've got a 500-600 dollar piece of high end technology. Its got features that casuals don't even understand, let alone need and/or want in a gaming console. Its launch titles mean nothing to casuals, because it has no reconizable characters or series.
Do you see the difference?
gomanthethird
Sony themselves stated they could sell 50 million PS3's without even releasing any games :lol:
I guess they over-estimated their brandname and underestimated peoples intelligence.
Link to that statement?
I never said the Wii was expected to win. But you see the barriers for casuals choosing the PS3 over the Wii?
Its funny because I bring up logical points and make a worthwhile argument.
You respond with one liners and little smiley face icons.
[QUOTE="warmaster670"][QUOTE="gomanthethird"]How can you go from selling 120 million PS2's and having a commanding lead in marketshare to .... the PS3, and not be percieved as a complete failure?Vanadium2k8
ask nintendo, they failed for 10 years
Sorry, they were actually profitable, so asking them is asking how to fail at failing.
Profitable or not, they still failed for 10 years. Deal with it and move on.[QUOTE="NavigatorsGhost"]That's nothing more than a prediction. And the format war and console ware are two completley different things. Anything less than a dominant victory for Sony in the console war, given the preformance of the PS2, will be percieved by the masses as a failure.[QUOTE="gomanthethird"][QUOTE="prodiqy32"]they didnt fail. it will be around longer then the 360 and the wii. plus its won the format war for sony and the partners so its already a success.gomanthethird
This is what you don't get.
The PS3 and the 360 are a completely different product than the Wii.
Why?
Because of the features.
Do you honestly expect a 600 dollar multimedia device to sell 100 million units? Did you think Sony expected it would?
No.
Why?
Because the videogame market is dominated by casuals. The vast majority of casuals aren't going to dump that much money into a videogame console.
The PS3/360 is aimed at consumers who are into new technology and do it all media products. They want/care about HD, next gen sound, Blu ray, HD/DVD, online interactivity, etc.
The Wii gets back to gaming's roots. Its simple, its accessible, anyone can play it, and the games encourage multiple players that are actually in the same room with you.
You're still going to use the excuse that the PS3 cost 600 bucks? :lol:Hasnt it dropped in value faster than any other console in history?
The PS2 was considered a high end multimedia device when it launched and did exceedingly well.
I dont see where you're going with this.
No it hasn't dropped in value, just price. I always considered it to be worth about $400 to buy and I still do.[QUOTE="gomanthethird"] What can Sony do not to be percieved as a complete FAILURE this gen?l-_-lNothing. The only ones considering them a failure are dorky internet fanboys. In the REAL world, it isn't a failure.
In the REAL world (lol), PS3 is more of a failure than it is here. It's unprofitable and flopped miserably.
Nothing. The only ones considering them a failure are dorky internet fanboys. In the REAL world, it isn't a failure.[QUOTE="l-_-l"][QUOTE="gomanthethird"] What can Sony do not to be percieved as a complete FAILURE this gen?Vanadium2k8
In the REAL world (lol), PS3 is more of a failure than it is here. It's unprofitable and flopped miserably.
ya, i mean, its sold about half the amoutnthe 360 has, in half the time,l with actual competition, what a failure!
How can you go from selling 120 million PS2's and having a commanding lead in marketshare to .... the PS3, and not be percieved as a complete failure?gomanthethirdSimple, because the PS2 didn't sell 120 million in one year, it took 7. The PS3 has only been out a little over a year. When it has been out 7 years, THEN you can compare it to the PS2's 7 years, until then, you look silly and bad are comparisons.
[QUOTE="gomanthethird"][QUOTE="NavigatorsGhost"]Please stop trying to make it sound like the Wii was expected to win.... It's quite embarassing.Why is this hard to understand?
The PS2 was always comparatively priced with its competitors. And the features in that console generation did not differ that much from console to console. It all came down to games, as pretty much every console generation has so far.
Sony put out a product in the PS3 which was unlike anything ever attempted in console gaming before. They didn't know how it would go over and its price was dictated by its production cost.
No way in hell they were expecting the same immediate results that the PS2 delivered.
When the PS3 was released, it had to go head to head with the Wii.
A 500-600 dollar console going against a 250 dollar console.
Who do you think is going to win that battle when it comes to the casuals?
You've got the Wii, which is far less cheaper, has identifiable characters (because its nintendo and they've been using the same ones over and over again) that casuals recognize, and a new device in the "wiimote", which looks like a fun little piece of technology that non-gamers could even find entertaining.
On the other side you've got a 500-600 dollar piece of high end technology. Its got features that casuals don't even understand, let alone need and/or want in a gaming console. Its launch titles mean nothing to casuals, because it has no reconizable characters or series.
Do you see the difference?
NavigatorsGhost
Sony themselves stated they could sell 50 million PS3's without even releasing any games :lol:
I guess they over-estimated their brandname and underestimated peoples intelligence.
Link to that statement?
I never said the Wii was expected to win. But you see the barriers for casuals choosing the PS3 over the Wii?
Its funny because I bring up logical points and make a worthwhile argument.
You respond with one liners and little smiley face icons.
You can argue all you want, but it only really ammounts to spin when your arguing on behalf of Sony's non-existant success this gen. A console manufacturer doesnt go from being a dominant number 1, to number 3 without a measure of failure being attached to it.[QUOTE="Vanadium2k8"]Nothing. The only ones considering them a failure are dorky internet fanboys. In the REAL world, it isn't a failure.[QUOTE="l-_-l"][QUOTE="gomanthethird"] What can Sony do not to be percieved as a complete FAILURE this gen?warmaster670
In the REAL world (lol), PS3 is more of a failure than it is here. It's unprofitable and flopped miserably.
ya, i mean, its sold about half the amoutnthe 360 has, in half the time,l with actual competition, what a failure!
Yeah, and the N64 is a huge success because it outsold the Saturn :|
Ps3 is outselling the 360 on a daily sales basis,
therefore, I wouldn't call it a "failure".
Simple, because the PS2 didn't sell 120 million in one year, it took 7. The PS3 has only been out a little over a year. When it has been out 7 years, THEN you can compare it to the PS2's 7 years, until then, you look silly and bad are comparisons.I dont need to wait 7 years to know that the Sony wont come anywhere close to selling 120 million PS3's. It's called logic.[QUOTE="gomanthethird"]How can you go from selling 120 million PS2's and having a commanding lead in marketshare to .... the PS3, and not be percieved as a complete failure?l-_-l
Nothing. The only ones considering them a failure are dorky internet fanboys. In the REAL world, it isn't a failure.[QUOTE="l-_-l"][QUOTE="gomanthethird"] What can Sony do not to be percieved as a complete FAILURE this gen?Vanadium2k8
In the REAL world (lol), PS3 is more of a failure than it is here. It's unprofitable and flopped miserably.
:lol: this clearly coming from a blind fanboy. Thanks, but no thanks. Your opinion as a fanboy is worthless to me. Fanboyism is like a disease and I want no part of it. Go watch 28 days later. I am one of the survivors running for my life and the rage is the fanboys.[QUOTE="Vanadium2k8"]Nothing. The only ones considering them a failure are dorky internet fanboys. In the REAL world, it isn't a failure.[QUOTE="l-_-l"][QUOTE="gomanthethird"] What can Sony do not to be percieved as a complete FAILURE this gen?l-_-l
In the REAL world (lol), PS3 is more of a failure than it is here. It's unprofitable and flopped miserably.
:lol: this clearly coming from a blind fanboy. Thanks, but no thanks. Your opinion as a fanboy is worthless to me. Fanboyism is like a disease and I want no part of it. Go watch 28 days later. I am one of the survivors running for my life and the rage is the fanboys.Actually everything he said was factual. PS3 is unprofitable and it has been considered a flop by the press.[QUOTE="l-_-l"]Simple, because the PS2 didn't sell 120 million in one year, it took 7. The PS3 has only been out a little over a year. When it has been out 7 years, THEN you can compare it to the PS2's 7 years, until then, you look silly and bad are comparisons.I dont need to wait 7 years to know that the Sony wont come anywhere close to selling 120 million PS3's. It's called logic.We are talking failure. It doesn't have to meet the sales of the PS2 to be a success. And we do need 7 years because your can't read the future, so your "logic" fails..................NEXT!!!!!!!!![QUOTE="gomanthethird"]How can you go from selling 120 million PS2's and having a commanding lead in marketshare to .... the PS3, and not be percieved as a complete failure?gomanthethird
[QUOTE="Vanadium2k8"] [QUOTE="warmaster670"][QUOTE="gomanthethird"]How can you go from selling 120 million PS2's and having a commanding lead in marketshare to .... the PS3, and not be percieved as a complete failure?l-_-l
ask nintendo, they failed for 10 years
Sorry, they were actually profitable, so asking them is asking how to fail at failing.
Profitable or not, they still failed for 10 years. Deal with it and move on.Uhh. No. :|
PS3 is a failure, because it lost Sony billions. N64 and Gamecube are successes because it made Nintendo, billions. Simple, no?
[QUOTE="gomanthethird"][QUOTE="l-_-l"]Simple, because the PS2 didn't sell 120 million in one year, it took 7. The PS3 has only been out a little over a year. When it has been out 7 years, THEN you can compare it to the PS2's 7 years, until then, you look silly and bad are comparisons.I dont need to wait 7 years to know that the Sony wont come anywhere close to selling 120 million PS3's. It's called logic.We are talking failure. It doesn't have to meet the sales of the PS2 to be a success. And we do need 7 years because your can't read the future, so your "logic" fails..................NEXT!!!!!!!!!The success or failure of any competing product is measured in comparison to its predesessor, and by it's relative profits ... and such is the way with the business world. Deal with it.[QUOTE="gomanthethird"]How can you go from selling 120 million PS2's and having a commanding lead in marketshare to .... the PS3, and not be percieved as a complete failure?l-_-l
:lol: this clearly coming from a blind fanboy. Thanks, but no thanks. Your opinion as a fanboy is worthless to me. Fanboyism is like a disease and I want no part of it. Go watch 28 days later. I am one of the survivors running for my life and the rage is the fanboys.l-_-l
Okay, so how is this considered a decent rebuttal? Another thread, another poor attempt at cows to debate. TCHBO.
[QUOTE="NavigatorsGhost"][QUOTE="gomanthethird"][QUOTE="NavigatorsGhost"]Please stop trying to make it sound like the Wii was expected to win.... It's quite embarassing.Why is this hard to understand?
The PS2 was always comparatively priced with its competitors. And the features in that console generation did not differ that much from console to console. It all came down to games, as pretty much every console generation has so far.
Sony put out a product in the PS3 which was unlike anything ever attempted in console gaming before. They didn't know how it would go over and its price was dictated by its production cost.
No way in hell they were expecting the same immediate results that the PS2 delivered.
When the PS3 was released, it had to go head to head with the Wii.
A 500-600 dollar console going against a 250 dollar console.
Who do you think is going to win that battle when it comes to the casuals?
You've got the Wii, which is far less cheaper, has identifiable characters (because its nintendo and they've been using the same ones over and over again) that casuals recognize, and a new device in the "wiimote", which looks like a fun little piece of technology that non-gamers could even find entertaining.
On the other side you've got a 500-600 dollar piece of high end technology. Its got features that casuals don't even understand, let alone need and/or want in a gaming console. Its launch titles mean nothing to casuals, because it has no reconizable characters or series.
Do you see the difference?
gomanthethird
Sony themselves stated they could sell 50 million PS3's without even releasing any games :lol:
I guess they over-estimated their brandname and underestimated peoples intelligence.
Link to that statement?
I never said the Wii was expected to win. But you see the barriers for casuals choosing the PS3 over the Wii?
Its funny because I bring up logical points and make a worthwhile argument.
You respond with one liners and little smiley face icons.
You can argue all you want, but it only really ammounts to spin when your arguing on behalf of Sony's non-existant success this gen. A console manufacturer doesnt go from being a dominant number 1, to number 3 without a measure of failure being attached to it.Again, continue to ignore what I said. I understand you have no way of refuting what I've posted. Thats okay.
Last gen's success of a product has nothing to do with this gen's success of entirely new product.
PS3 is competing for marketshare with the 360 because they appeal to the exact same demographic. The PS3 is competing heavily with the 360. When you take into account that the 360 was on the market for a year longer, that disparity in the two consoles overall sales isn't that great.
The Wii won the casuals this gen. Thats great. Its a platform with limiting hardware that will not and can not handle even half of the games in development. The Wii will never get the next FF, the next Halo, the next Half Life, the next GT, the next God of War, the next GTA, etc.
Its ironic that Nintendo has been struggling to get 3rd party support for generations because of poor sales. And now that Nintendo has the sales, its still going to struggle to get 3rd party support because of its second rate hardware. Well, the support might be there, but the effort and the games sure aren't going to be.
So with that, enjoy WII FIT! BEST GAME EVER. CAN'T WAIT FOR THE SEQUELS TO SEE HOW THE STORY ENDS!
[QUOTE="l-_-l"][QUOTE="Vanadium2k8"] [QUOTE="warmaster670"][QUOTE="gomanthethird"]How can you go from selling 120 million PS2's and having a commanding lead in marketshare to .... the PS3, and not be percieved as a complete failure?Vanadium2k8
ask nintendo, they failed for 10 years
Sorry, they were actually profitable, so asking them is asking how to fail at failing.
Profitable or not, they still failed for 10 years. Deal with it and move on.Uhh. No. :|
PS3 is a failure, because it lost Sony billions. N64 and Gamecube are successes because it made Nintendo, billions. Simple, no?
business lose and gain money all the time. Look at M$.
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