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#151 edo-tensei
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[QUOTE="edo-tensei"][QUOTE="timmy00"]

So much complaining. :|

People need to stop clinging to the past.

Chris_Williams

Yeah, comming from a guy who doesn't even care about the franchise to begin with, lol bioware sure hit their target this time. I fully blame bioware for the situation, they simply sold out for the money and yet another rpg maker dies in the process.

hahaha, are you serious, i love the series, bought most of the dlc and played through it many many times, i tried the dragon age 2 demo and i'm really feeling it, i had fun with it which is why i'm figuring people forgot what games were made for.. for fuuuuun, if i wanted complexity i would do some homework. Not saying dragon age 2 doesn't have depth and all that because its just a demo, u honestly can't judge it from the demo, they just wanted to show off the combat system which i liked. sorry if you think they sold out because you know they are a company who want everyone to play and buy their games so they make them accessible to everybody.

Keep your mindset if you like, I could care less if ALL games have to be accesible to everyone, let's all just forget about challange and gameplay depth. See, fun is very subjective because we don't game for the same reasons. Streamlining franchaises is not "fun," it's dealing in absolute.

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#152 GeneralShowzer
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[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"][QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"] you look at the root and the PC gamers didn't buy the game in high enough quantities *and pirated it more* Maybe if they had developers would cater to them more...Chris_Williams

Proof? Do you have piracy figures and sales figures on PC?

i have figures that state dragon age sold more on the 360 and ps3 then the pc.. then again does it honestly matter, it all goes to bioware so they can give us some great games so myah

No it all goes to EA. And where are those figures?
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#153 Captain__Tripps
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[QUOTE="110million"][QUOTE="Captain__Tripps"] It is ultimately the developers fault, but they are doing it for a more simplistic audience on the consoles.WilliamRLBaker
Wouldn't have changed if it wasn't for console gamers complaining, so it literally is their fault. You can look at the surface of the problem, or you can look at the root, and console gamers who need more simplistic combat are to blame.

you look at the root and the PC gamers didn't buy the game in high enough quantities *and pirated it more* Maybe if they had developers would cater to them more...

Really? How many copies were sold on the PS3, 360, and PC?
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#154 devious742
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[QUOTE="timmy00"]^this.

Dynasty Warriors is a hack and slash. DA2 isn't.

Ravensmash

You forgot PC gamers don't know what a hack and slash game is cause theres been none for the PC.

Ah fair comment, too busy crafting or reading their monitors in-game :P [spoiler] See, we can do it too hermits :P I kid I kid... [/spoiler] @Devious - that just proves my point that it was always going to be released on consoles.

E3 2008: Dragon Age: Origins First Look

"That was a brief look at Dragon Age, but the good news is that since the game has been in development for so long, it's very far in development. There's still work that has to be done, but BioWare plans on shipping it for the PC early next year. Meanwhile, Zeschuk said that BioWare was developing the game on the PC, playing the game on the PC, and designing the game for the PC, though the company does plan on delivering Dragon Age to consoles sometime the road. Further details about the game itself will be released over the coming months."

"However, it is unclear is this is a port of the PC title or a different game set in the same universe"


Dragon Age: Origins Set for 2nd Half of 2009

The PC version of BioWare's anticipated role-playing game Dragon Age: Origins has been delayed. Previously it was thought the game would ship toward the end of March of this year, with the console versions scheduled for later on in 2009. Now the PC version is being readied to be shipped in the last half of 2009 to "coincide with the release of the console versions."

The game was delayed in order to make the console versions.. it was going to launch on PC march but since they announce the console versions it was delayed..its in plain english

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#156 cain006
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[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="Ravensmash"]Has anyone who calls it a hack and slash here, actually played a hack and slash? Just curious..... :lol:Chris_Williams
Plenty, I think TCs comparison made the point pretty well, this is going the hack and slash way, Bioware games used to be about great complex ambiguos dialogs that shaped the story mixed with highly strategic combat. What we see there is dumbed down dialogs, the choices are even marked with a good-neutral-evil face making personality development basically for dummies and now instead of strategic combat you just go A A A A, potion, A A A A, repeat until enemies are dead.

..whoa, isn't the dragon age 2 dialogue just like mass effect? you basically had good, bad or neutral, i didn't see anyone complaining about that.

Because they're different series. They were obviously geared towards a different crowd. Let's face it, Dragon age has much more rpg stuff than mass effect. I mean I liked both, but they're very different.

I also like how you were saying that the console and pc version of dragon age's difficulty were the same, and then when proved wrong you didn't bring it up anymore.

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[QUOTE="Chris_Williams"][QUOTE="edo-tensei"] Yeah, comming from a guy who doesn't even care about the franchise to begin with, lol bioware sure hit their target this time. I fully blame bioware for the situation, they simply sold out for the money and yet another rpg maker dies in the process.edo-tensei

hahaha, are you serious, i love the series, bought most of the dlc and played through it many many times, i tried the dragon age 2 demo and i'm really feeling it, i had fun with it which is why i'm figuring people forgot what games were made for.. for fuuuuun, if i wanted complexity i would do some homework. Not saying dragon age 2 doesn't have depth and all that because its just a demo, u honestly can't judge it from the demo, they just wanted to show off the combat system which i liked. sorry if you think they sold out because you know they are a company who want everyone to play and buy their games so they make them accessible to everybody.

Keep your mindset if you like, I could care less if ALL games have to be accesible to everyone, let's all just forget about challange and gameplay depth. See, fun is very subjective because we don't game for the same reasons. Streamlining franchaises is not "fun," it's dealing in absolute.

Implying games can't be accessible and have challenge/gameplay depth.

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#158 Ravensmash
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@Edo.... He said he's buying it because he enjoyed the demo - of course he cares for the franchise :P
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#159 Chris_Williams
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[QUOTE="Chris_Williams"][QUOTE="edo-tensei"] Yeah, comming from a guy who doesn't even care about the franchise to begin with, lol bioware sure hit their target this time. I fully blame bioware for the situation, they simply sold out for the money and yet another rpg maker dies in the process.edo-tensei

hahaha, are you serious, i love the series, bought most of the dlc and played through it many many times, i tried the dragon age 2 demo and i'm really feeling it, i had fun with it which is why i'm figuring people forgot what games were made for.. for fuuuuun, if i wanted complexity i would do some homework. Not saying dragon age 2 doesn't have depth and all that because its just a demo, u honestly can't judge it from the demo, they just wanted to show off the combat system which i liked. sorry if you think they sold out because you know they are a company who want everyone to play and buy their games so they make them accessible to everybody.

Keep your mindset if you like, I could care less if ALL games have to be accesible to everyone, let's all just forget about challange and gameplay depth. See, fun is very subjective because we don't game for the same reasons. Streamlining franchaises is not "fun," it's dealing in absolute.

oooh so your a hipster gamer, okay.. got it buddy
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#161 timmy00
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[QUOTE="timmy00"]

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"] Yeah, comming from a guy who doesn't even care about the franchise to begin with, lol bioware sure hit their target this time. I fully blame bioware for the situation, they simply sold out for the money and yet another rpg maker dies in the process.edo-tensei

Nice try being smart. DA2 isn't out yet. Wait for the game to come out and judge. I could care less if you think the Bioware is killing DA2. I enjoyed it. I will buy it. I could care less if it's consolized. Go cry somewhere else. :]

then fight your own battles somewhere else **** you don't even care for this franchise, you cr me a river.

lolz. I played the first one. It was ok except for the combat. I just don't like how slow it was. DA2 somewhat fixed this. I(Well my sis) will buy DA2 and enjoy it. :]

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[QUOTE="Chris_Williams"][QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="Ravensmash"]Has anyone who calls it a hack and slash here, actually played a hack and slash? Just curious..... :lol:

Plenty, I think TCs comparison made the point pretty well, this is going the hack and slash way, Bioware games used to be about great complex ambiguos dialogs that shaped the story mixed with highly strategic combat. What we see there is dumbed down dialogs, the choices are even marked with a good-neutral-evil face making personality development basically for dummies and now instead of strategic combat you just go A A A A, potion, A A A A, repeat until enemies are dead.

..whoa, isn't the dragon age 2 dialogue just like mass effect? you basically had good, bad or neutral, i didn't see anyone complaining about that.

I complained about that I still call ME2 a shooter more than a real wrpg. I'm talking about the Baldur Gate days although many here probably don't know about it they were some of the most complex and customizable games ever and you actually had to know how to read, now you don't even need to read just look at the little face before the text. Next game you will just get the face.
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#163 timmy00
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[QUOTE="timmy00"]

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"] Keep your mindset if you like, I could care less if ALL games have to be accesible to everyone, let's all just forget about challange and gameplay depth. See, fun is very subjective because we don't game for the same reasons. Streamlining franchaises is not "fun," it's dealing in absolute.

edo-tensei

Implying games can't be accessible and have challenge/gameplay depth.

Timmy you're not very smart, that's not what I meant.

Fine then. Yes fun is subjective. Streamlining franchise can make a game fun for some people. My sister hated playing Fallout 1/2. She loves Fallout 3. I don't get what you're pointing out. Be a bit more specific.

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#164 edo-tensei
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[QUOTE="timmy00"]

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"]

[QUOTE="timmy00"] Nice try being smart. DA2 isn't out yet. Wait for the game to come out and judge. I could care less if you think the Bioware is killing DA2. I enjoyed it. I will buy it. I could care less if it's consolized. Go cry somewhere else. :]

then fight your own battles somewhere else **** you don't even care for this franchise, you cr me a river.

lolz. I played the first one. It was ok except for the combat. I just don't like how slow it was. DA2 somewhat fixed this. I(Well my sis) will buy DA2 and enjoy it. :]

Then that type of rpg is not for you, so yes, I blame bioware for selling out.
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#165 Chris_Williams
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[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="Chris_Williams"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] Plenty, I think TCs comparison made the point pretty well, this is going the hack and slash way, Bioware games used to be about great complex ambiguos dialogs that shaped the story mixed with highly strategic combat. What we see there is dumbed down dialogs, the choices are even marked with a good-neutral-evil face making personality development basically for dummies and now instead of strategic combat you just go A A A A, potion, A A A A, repeat until enemies are dead.

..whoa, isn't the dragon age 2 dialogue just like mass effect? you basically had good, bad or neutral, i didn't see anyone complaining about that.

I complained about that I still call ME2 a shooter more than a real wrpg. I'm talking about the Baldur Gate days although many here probably don't know about it they were some of the most complex and customizable games ever and you actually had to know how to read, now you don't even need to read just look at the little face before the text. Next game you will just get the face.

... look, i loved baldurs gate and baldurs gate 2 and so forth, i love western rpg's because you get so many options to plan out how the game will turn out for you, i honestly don't see why all you guys are tripping on dragon age 2. its a video game not a novel, i loved dragon age and like dragon age 2, you know i think i'm taking this better because i'm a console gamer mainly, its the pc gamers who feel like bioware betrayed them, why? i don't know?
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#166 GeneralShowzer
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[QUOTE="Chris_Williams"][QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="Chris_Williams"] ..whoa, isn't the dragon age 2 dialogue just like mass effect? you basically had good, bad or neutral, i didn't see anyone complaining about that.

I complained about that I still call ME2 a shooter more than a real wrpg. I'm talking about the Baldur Gate days although many here probably don't know about it they were some of the most complex and customizable games ever and you actually had to know how to read, now you don't even need to read just look at the little face before the text. Next game you will just get the face.

... look, i loved baldurs gate and baldurs gate 2 and so forth, i love western rpg's because you get so many options to plan out how the game will turn out for you, i honestly don't see why all you guys are tripping on dragon age 2. its a video game not a novel, i loved dragon age and like dragon age 2, you know i think i'm taking this better because i'm a console gamer mainly, its the pc gamers who feel like bioware betrayed them, why? i don't know?

Because DA II is not a PC oriented project anymore? Because it lacks the isometric camera and mod tools? Seems like a reason enough.
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#167 timmy00
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[QUOTE="timmy00"]

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"] then fight your own battles somewhere else **** you don't even care for this franchise, you cr me a river.

edo-tensei

lolz. I played the first one. It was ok except for the combat. I just don't like how slow it was. DA2 somewhat fixed this. I(Well my sis) will buy DA2 and enjoy it. :]

Then that type of rpg is not for you, so yes, I blame bioware for selling out.

Weird I loved their other RPGs.(*hearts KOTOR*) Making a game more accessible isn't selling out. People need to calm down and just enjoy the damn game.

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[QUOTE="edo-tensei"][QUOTE="timmy00"]

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"] then fight your own battles somewhere else **** you don't even care for this franchise, you cr me a river.

lolz. I played the first one. It was ok except for the combat. I just don't like how slow it was. DA2 somewhat fixed this. I(Well my sis) will buy DA2 and enjoy it. :]

Then that type of rpg is not for you, so yes, I blame bioware for selling out.

DA2 is pretty much the same game as DA:O.....
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#169 Ravensmash
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[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"][QUOTE="Chris_Williams"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] I complained about that I still call ME2 a shooter more than a real wrpg. I'm talking about the Baldur Gate days although many here probably don't know about it they were some of the most complex and customizable games ever and you actually had to know how to read, now you don't even need to read just look at the little face before the text. Next game you will just get the face.

... look, i loved baldurs gate and baldurs gate 2 and so forth, i love western rpg's because you get so many options to plan out how the game will turn out for you, i honestly don't see why all you guys are tripping on dragon age 2. its a video game not a novel, i loved dragon age and like dragon age 2, you know i think i'm taking this better because i'm a console gamer mainly, its the pc gamers who feel like bioware betrayed them, why? i don't know?

Because DA II is not a PC oriented project anymore? Because it lacks the isometric camera and mod tools? Seems like a reason enough.

Then that's an issue with Bioware, not with consoles. Nothing to stop them putting two platform specific perspectives in the game like in DA:O.
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#170 edo-tensei
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[QUOTE="timmy00"]

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"][QUOTE="timmy00"]Implying games can't be accessible and have challenge/gameplay depth.

Timmy you're not very smart, that's not what I meant.

Fine then. Yes fun is subjective. Streamlining franchise can make a game fun for some people. My sister hated playing Fallout 1/2. See loves Fallout 3. I don't get what you're pointing out. Be a bit more specific.

Lol, fallout 3 is a whole other monster to deal with. It's a whole different concept altogether, fallout 3 is not fallout, it's really just oblivon with guns using the fallout name. I also liked fallout 3 because I knew the team that made the original fallout games was long gone, and it was an rpg through and through(just a different one).
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#171 GeneralShowzer
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[QUOTE="edo-tensei"][QUOTE="timmy00"]lolz. I played the first one. It was ok except for the combat. I just don't like how slow it was. DA2 somewhat fixed this. I(Well my sis) will buy DA2 and enjoy it. :]

Ravensmash

Then that type of rpg is not for you, so yes, I blame bioware for selling out.

DA2 is pretty much the same game as DA:O.....

Highly disagree...Have you even played Origins?

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[QUOTE="Ravensmash"][QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"][QUOTE="Chris_Williams"] ... look, i loved baldurs gate and baldurs gate 2 and so forth, i love western rpg's because you get so many options to plan out how the game will turn out for you, i honestly don't see why all you guys are tripping on dragon age 2. its a video game not a novel, i loved dragon age and like dragon age 2, you know i think i'm taking this better because i'm a console gamer mainly, its the pc gamers who feel like bioware betrayed them, why? i don't know?

Because DA II is not a PC oriented project anymore? Because it lacks the isometric camera and mod tools? Seems like a reason enough.

Then that's an issue with Bioware, not with consoles. Nothing to stop them putting two platform specific perspectives in the game like in DA:O.

Well...yes.
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[QUOTE="Ravensmash"][QUOTE="edo-tensei"] Then that type of rpg is not for you, so yes, I blame bioware for selling out.GeneralShowzer

DA2 is pretty much the same game as DA:O.....

Highly disagree...Have you even played Origins?

Couldn't you just look at my sig? What is so radically different in terms of the core gameplay?
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[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"]

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"] DA2 is pretty much the same game as DA:O.....Ravensmash

Highly disagree...Have you even played Origins?

Couldn't you just look at my sig? What is so radically different in terms of the core gameplay?

one can be played like a button masher and another one can't
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#175 lx_theo
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I'm not mad, I'm surprised how ill informed you are.

There's a an option to set auto-attack, so that the fighting will be almost EXACTLY the same as the original. The only difference is that its faster faced animations with an epicness.

And you can hardly blame Bioware for trying to push their dialogue wheel beyond just Mass Effect. I mean, look at that PC only MMO, The Old Republic. Guess what it has?

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[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="Chris_Williams"] ..whoa, isn't the dragon age 2 dialogue just like mass effect? you basically had good, bad or neutral, i didn't see anyone complaining about that. Chris_Williams
I complained about that I still call ME2 a shooter more than a real wrpg. I'm talking about the Baldur Gate days although many here probably don't know about it they were some of the most complex and customizable games ever and you actually had to know how to read, now you don't even need to read just look at the little face before the text. Next game you will just get the face.

... look, i loved baldurs gate and baldurs gate 2 and so forth, i love western rpg's because you get so many options to plan out how the game will turn out for you, i honestly don't see why all you guys are tripping on dragon age 2. its a video game not a novel, i loved dragon age and like dragon age 2, you know i think i'm taking this better because i'm a console gamer mainly, its the pc gamers who feel like bioware betrayed them, why? i don't know?

Well that's simply because you don't love the franchise like some of us, that why you're being so cynical about it. Let's say your favorite franchise does a 360 you, I'm sure you wouldn't complain :roll:
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I'm not mad, I'm surprised how ill informed you are.

There's a an option to set auto-attack, so that the fighting will be almost EXACTLY the same as the original. The only difference is that its faster faced animations with an epicness.

And you can hardly blame Bioware for trying to push their dialogue wheel beyond just Mass Effect. I mean, look at that PC only MMO, The Old Republic. Guess what it has?

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Now even PC exclusives are being consolised :O :P
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Demo was horrible... I hope the full game is different
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#179 kuraimen
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[QUOTE="Chris_Williams"][QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="Chris_Williams"] ..whoa, isn't the dragon age 2 dialogue just like mass effect? you basically had good, bad or neutral, i didn't see anyone complaining about that.

I complained about that I still call ME2 a shooter more than a real wrpg. I'm talking about the Baldur Gate days although many here probably don't know about it they were some of the most complex and customizable games ever and you actually had to know how to read, now you don't even need to read just look at the little face before the text. Next game you will just get the face.

... look, i loved baldurs gate and baldurs gate 2 and so forth, i love western rpg's because you get so many options to plan out how the game will turn out for you, i honestly don't see why all you guys are tripping on dragon age 2. its a video game not a novel, i loved dragon age and like dragon age 2, you know i think i'm taking this better because i'm a console gamer mainly, its the pc gamers who feel like bioware betrayed them, why? i don't know?

I'm also mainly a console gamer although a game like DA:O I bought it for PC because the gameplay is definitely thought out for PC. What I don't like is big games from several genres suddenly converging into a single genre with shallow modifications. I like variety I don't want a shooter-based industry or a hack and slash-based industry, I will like proper shooters, proper hack and slashes, proper wrpgs, proper jrpgs, etc and maybe games that mix genres but not when a genre dissapears just so they can be more like another and be more popular.
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#180 lx_theo
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[QUOTE="Ravensmash"][QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"] Highly disagree...Have you even played Origins?

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Couldn't you just look at my sig? What is so radically different in terms of the core gameplay?

one can be played like a button masher and another one can't

DA2 can be played as either. It has a toggle for auto-attack so you don't have to button mash so you choose.

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#181 GeneralShowzer
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[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"]

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"] DA2 is pretty much the same game as DA:O.....Ravensmash

Highly disagree...Have you even played Origins?

Couldn't you just look at my sig? What is so radically different in terms of the core gameplay?

Well, i played Origins, and the DA II demo a few times...It's just ...completely different. On PC. No camera detracts from the experience. The combat animations are all wrong. I really don't know how to explain it. It's just akward with auto-attack. The visual style doesn't resemble Origins one bit. It seems to have taken massive hit in depth. Combat is too easy. All spells feel the same. It's too damn fast, and enemies die too fast. I have other reasons too. I really couldn't guess that this is the sequel do DA:O
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#182 Luxen90
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I really wouldn't even care if they added the button masher part in DA2 if it didn't feel like it was half-assed to me.
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#183 Ravensmash
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[QUOTE="lawlessx"][QUOTE="Ravensmash"] Couldn't you just look at my sig? What is so radically different in terms of the core gameplay?lx_theo

one can be played like a button masher and another one can't

DA2 can be played as either. It has a toggle for auto-attack so you don't have to button mash so you choose.

Beat me to it :P
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#184 timmy00
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[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"]

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"] DA2 is pretty much the same game as DA:O.....Ravensmash

Highly disagree...Have you even played Origins?

Couldn't you just look at my sig? What is so radically different in terms of the core gameplay?

Nothing. All you do is press the A button more. You still have skills which you can use, you still manage a party, ect.

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#185 rolo107
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Dragon Age 2 is almost exactly the same as Dragon Age: Origins... I don't see the humor, it's just perpetuated by the false perception people had before and are unwilling to let go of now. The dialogue being more simple is a bad thing? That Baldur's Gate stuff is no better than the stuff below, and it's false depth anyway when you talk about practicality.
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#186 Ragnarok1051
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[QUOTE="Chris_Williams"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] I complained about that I still call ME2 a shooter more than a real wrpg. I'm talking about the Baldur Gate days although many here probably don't know about it they were some of the most complex and customizable games ever and you actually had to know how to read, now you don't even need to read just look at the little face before the text. Next game you will just get the face.edo-tensei
... look, i loved baldurs gate and baldurs gate 2 and so forth, i love western rpg's because you get so many options to plan out how the game will turn out for you, i honestly don't see why all you guys are tripping on dragon age 2. its a video game not a novel, i loved dragon age and like dragon age 2, you know i think i'm taking this better because i'm a console gamer mainly, its the pc gamers who feel like bioware betrayed them, why? i don't know?

Well that's simply because you don't love the franchise like some of us, that why you're being so cynical about it. Let's say your favorite franchise does a 360 you, I'm sure you wouldn't complain :roll:

Why complain if a game does a 360 on you? It would just be the same game then.
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#187 edo-tensei
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[QUOTE="edo-tensei"][QUOTE="Chris_Williams"] ... look, i loved baldurs gate and baldurs gate 2 and so forth, i love western rpg's because you get so many options to plan out how the game will turn out for you, i honestly don't see why all you guys are tripping on dragon age 2. its a video game not a novel, i loved dragon age and like dragon age 2, you know i think i'm taking this better because i'm a console gamer mainly, its the pc gamers who feel like bioware betrayed them, why? i don't know? Ragnarok1051
Well that's simply because you don't love the franchise like some of us, that why you're being so cynical about it. Let's say your favorite franchise does a 360 you, I'm sure you wouldn't complain :roll:

Why complain if a game does a 360 on you? It would just be the same game then.

lol that's funny...didn't notice that.
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#188 Chris_Williams
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Dragon Age 2 is almost exactly the same as Dragon Age: Origins... I don't see the humor, it's just perpetuated by the false perception people had before and are unwilling to let go of now. The dialogue being more simple is a bad thing? That Baldur's Gate stuff is no better than the stuff below, and it's false depth anyway when you talk about practicality. rolo107
i know man, i'm trying to remember was dragon age combat as deep and complex pc gamers are making it out to be? i mean i could have sworn your just clicking really fast and there was strategy involve when it came to bosses or alot of enemies surrounding you but it was still a mouse masher/button masher. oh well, dragon age 2 is coming out and i shall buy it.
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#189 205212669269561485377169522720
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[QUOTE="edo-tensei"] Well that's simply because you don't love the franchise like some of us, that why you're being so cynical about it. Let's say your favorite franchise does a 360 you, I'm sure you wouldn't complain :roll:Ragnarok1051
Why complain if a game does a 360 on you? It would just be the same game then.

:lol::lol:

Ahh that's brilliant.:P

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#190 edo-tensei
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[QUOTE="rolo107"]Dragon Age 2 is almost exactly the same as Dragon Age: Origins... I don't see the humor, it's just perpetuated by the false perception people had before and are unwilling to let go of now. The dialogue being more simple is a bad thing? That Baldur's Gate stuff is no better than the stuff below, and it's false depth anyway when you talk about practicality. Chris_Williams
i know man, i'm trying to remember was dragon age combat as deep and complex pc gamers are making it out to be? i mean i could have sworn your just clicking really fast and there was strategy involve when it came to bosses or alot of enemies surrounding you but it was still a mouse masher/button masher. oh well, dragon age 2 is coming out and i shall buy it.

I'm just wondering wether you even finished this game?
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#191 topsemag55
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I'm talking about the Baldur Gate days .kuraimen

Want an even better example of reading in a RPG? Go and purchase Zork 1, it's all text, but a very smart parser.:lol:

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#192 110million
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i mean i could have sworn your just clicking really fast and there was strategy involve when it came to bosses or alot of enemies surrounding you but it was still a mouse masher/button masher. Chris_Williams
Wat, clicking really fast would be pointless, you click to target an enemy, and hit hotkeys as you need them, then typically click to change targets or they change them on their own. Setting up tactics helps all this too. There was no mashing or mass clicking in DA: O, it makes no sense. There is nothing you can do in that game in a spammy way.
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#193 timmy00
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[QUOTE="edo-tensei"][QUOTE="Chris_Williams"] ... look, i loved baldurs gate and baldurs gate 2 and so forth, i love western rpg's because you get so many options to plan out how the game will turn out for you, i honestly don't see why all you guys are tripping on dragon age 2. its a video game not a novel, i loved dragon age and like dragon age 2, you know i think i'm taking this better because i'm a console gamer mainly, its the pc gamers who feel like bioware betrayed them, why? i don't know? Ragnarok1051
Well that's simply because you don't love the franchise like some of us, that why you're being so cynical about it. Let's say your favorite franchise does a 360 you, I'm sure you wouldn't complain :roll:

Why complain if a game does a 360 on you? It would just be the same game then.

:lol:

Nice catch dude. :P

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#194 lundy86_4
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I think simplifications made from limited hardware could be blamed upon consoles (should it be justified), but simplifications made in things like dialogue etc seems a bit of a stretch to blame on consoles. That's more the fault of a dev appealing to a wider audience, rather than the fault of a set standard of hardware.

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#195 edidili
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[QUOTE="Chris_Williams"]i mean i could have sworn your just clicking really fast and there was strategy involve when it came to bosses or alot of enemies surrounding you but it was still a mouse masher/button masher. 110million
Wat, clicking really fast would be pointless, you click to target an enemy, and hit hotkeys as you need them, then typically click to change targets or they change them on their own. Setting up tactics helps all this too. There was no mashing or mass clicking in DA: O, it makes no sense. There is nothing you can do in that game in a spammy way.

Wouldn't blame him. He didn't play it on pc.

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#196 Jankarcop
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[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"][QUOTE="edo-tensei"] Well that's simply because you don't love the franchise like some of us, that why you're being so cynical about it. Let's say your favorite franchise does a 360 you, I'm sure you wouldn't complain :roll:timmy00

Why complain if a game does a 360 on you? It would just be the same game then.

:lol:

Nice catch dude. :P

Unless by "360 on you" he meant xbox360 :D , people on other sites do use the term "XBOX'D" whenever a game gets simplified or dumbed down.

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#197 Chris_Williams
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[QUOTE="110million"][QUOTE="Chris_Williams"]i mean i could have sworn your just clicking really fast and there was strategy involve when it came to bosses or alot of enemies surrounding you but it was still a mouse masher/button masher. edidili

Wat, clicking really fast would be pointless, you click to target an enemy, and hit hotkeys as you need them, then typically click to change targets or they change them on their own. Setting up tactics helps all this too. There was no mashing or mass clicking in DA: O, it makes no sense. There is nothing you can do in that game in a spammy way.

Wouldn't blame him. He didn't play it on pc.

wow, didn't anyone read what i wrote, i said of course their is strategy involve and as a matter of fact i have played the pc version. u know what, i'm done arguing with pc fanboys. dragon age 2 is coming whether you like it or not, don't buy it if you thinks its consolized, i'm sure this same thread is going to be made when the witcher 2 comes out. "if it goes to consoles". peace

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#198 Rockman999
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yak yak yak, it never ends with these people. I loved DA: O and I really enjoyed the DA2 demo, if you don't like how DA2 is going to end up then go play that witcher game you PC guys are always yammerin' on about instead.

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#199 Ragnarok1051
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yak yak yak, it never ends with these people. I loved DA: O and I really enjoyed the DA2 demo, if you don't like how DA2 is going to end up then go play that witcher game you PC guys are always yammerin' on about instead.

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#200 oldkingallant
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I love DA2 combat. The original was just so boring!

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:lol: Timmy you crazy console gamer. That dialogue tree saddens me. Everything else in the game is fine but I need more options.