What is so special graphically about Crysis 2 (On consoles) and Rage?

[QUOTE="hamzah1235"][QUOTE="monkeysmoke"]What's so special about killzone 3?Apart from the shiny gun model nothing is realy prety in the game the enviroment are so dull even the e3 gameplay demo was so linear & corridor confined while crysis 2 had better lighting,destructible enviroment & better particle effects all in a large scale open world enviroment. Rage also is very unique with it great textures,draw distance in a large open world enviroment & increadibly running at 60fps. Crysis 2> Rage >>>> killzone 3.ferret-gamer

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[QUOTE="hamzah1235"] KZ3 has much higher graphical fidelity in everyhting (Weapon models [By far], character models, animations, particle effects, textures, polygonal detail in the character models/environment, physics, etc.) KZ3 looks much better graphically in every aspect except C2's ;ighting, which is on par with KZ2 and im not sure about 3, and C2 has a larger scale. Thats it. Rage is lacking to much to be considered console graphics kinghamzah1235

Hate to break it to you, but there's no such thing as a HDR light source :S

can killzone 3 do all these things Integrated Vegetation & Terrain Cover Generation System Real Time Soft Particle System Real-time Dynamic Global Illumination Volumetric, Layer & View Distance Fogging Normal Maps & Parallax Occlusion Maps Uber Shader Technology Eye Adaptation & High Dynamic Range (HDR) Lighting Parametric Skeletal Animation Procedural Motion Warping & High-End IK Solutions Subsurface Scattering CGI Quality Time of Day System Dynamic Volumetric Light Beams & Light Shaft Effects Advanced Rope Physics (this is very important,lol) Dynamic Volumetric Light Beams & Light Shaft Effects these are all standard features of the cryengine 3 on PC AND consoles .

delta3074

Yes.KZ3 does have real-time soft particle system, Global illumination, layer and view distance fogging maps, Parallax occlusion maps, fantastic shader technology, very advanced animation technology, ray-traced particle effects, volumetrric light beams and light shaft ends, extremely advanced physics that is going to allow it to have much more impressive full environmental destruction than BFBC2's, etc.

The question is, does Crysis 2 have very detailed environmental textures? No. Does it have incredibly detailed weapon models? No. Does it have fantastic Character models? (other than yourself) No. Does it have amaznig ragdoll physics that dynamically react with the environment? No. Does it have the best animation in the video game industry? No. Does it have High dynamic range audio? No. Does it have the name Crysis 2. Yes. :o, there you go :P

[QUOTE="hamzah1235"][QUOTE="ferret-gamer"] yes because you are such an expert in this area :roll:just like your argument that deffered rendering is better than hdr :lol: . and you tellling me that kz2 has more mathematical calculations than crysis, then saying that you couldnt find any GIFS to prove it.

Esnedon

Hate to break it to you, but there's no such thing as a HDR light source :S

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[QUOTE="hamzah1235"] ....I think 350+ Dynamic light sources that can be mapped extremely well compared to 10-25 high dynamic range light sources. I never said KZ2 does more mathematical equations...:? hamzah1235

Hate to break it to you, but there's no such thing as a HDR light source :S

HDR is a technique, not a light type. You can have both deferred lighting and HDR ;)

[QUOTE="hamzah1235"][QUOTE="Esnedon"]

Hate to break it to you, but there's no such thing as a HDR light source :S

Esnedon

HDR is a technique, not a light type. You can have both deferred lighting and HDR ;)

[QUOTE="Esnedon"]

....:?? Yes there is...Halo 3/Reach is a prime example of this...hamzah1235

HDR is a technique, not a light type. You can have both deferred lighting and HDR ;)

ray-traced particle effectshamzah1235

[QUOTE="delta3074"]can killzone 3 do all these things Integrated Vegetation & Terrain Cover Generation System Real Time Soft Particle System Real-time Dynamic Global Illumination Volumetric, Layer & View Distance Fogging Normal Maps & Parallax Occlusion Maps Uber Shader Technology Eye Adaptation & High Dynamic Range (HDR) Lighting Parametric Skeletal Animation Procedural Motion Warping & High-End IK Solutions Subsurface Scattering CGI Quality Time of Day System Dynamic Volumetric Light Beams & Light Shaft Effects Advanced Rope Physics (this is very important,lol) Dynamic Volumetric Light Beams & Light Shaft Effects these are all standard features of the cryengine 3 on PC AND consoles .

hamzah1235

Yes.KZ3 does have real-time soft particle system, Global illumination, layer and view distance fogging maps, Parallax occlusion maps, fantastic shader technology, very advanced animation technology, ray-traced particle effects, volumetrric light beams and light shaft ends, extremely advanced physics that is going to allow it to have much more impressive full environmental destruction than BFBC2's, etc.

The question is, does Crysis 2 have very detailed environmental textures? No. Does it have incredibly detailed weapon models? No. Does it have fantastic Character models? (other than yourself) No. Does it have amaznig ragdoll physics that dynamically react with the environment? No. Does it have the best animation in the video game industry? No. Does it have High dynamic range audio? No. Does it have the name Crysis 2. Yes. :o, there you go :P

Killzone 3 does not have global illumination. It only uses POM for bulletholes. It does not ray-trace anything. It only has pre-rendered volumetric light shafts.

And Crysis 2 has a fantastic gun model.

http://www6.incrysis.com/screenshots/c2e3screen4.jpg

Zoom in close and look closely at that gun model. Extremely well textures and beautiful gun model. There is no way you can possible say there is any really weak part of the gun.

It has really high resolution textures, which I PROVED earlier. So please don't try that again...

Regarding death animations and ragdoll, Crytek can't legally do the same things that Guerrilla can because Crytek happens to be based in Germany.... One of the BIGGEST things is the limitations on death animations. They can only use ragdoll for a few seconds after a kill, and then LEGALLY they have to lock the body into a rigid form. They are not allowed to do outright death animations, so nothing is possible there... They are not allowed to let dead bodies react to ANY physics once they have come to a stop after their initial death. Germany has some absurd laws about this stuff, but Crytek has to deal with those laws and it DOES hold back what they are allowed to do...

Hamzah,what is so special about KZ3 textures? :rolls: Halo Reach textures>>>KZ3 textures.

Beside main gun KZ3 guns look okeish,KZ2s looked below average.

Hamzah,what is so special about KZ3 textures? :rolls: Halo Reach textures>>>KZ3 textures.

Bus-A-Bus

No joke. The textures in that E3 presentation were downright awful. Many were clearly placeholders(much like a lot of Crysis 2 assets were placeholders), but they were awful.

Hamzah,what is so special about KZ3 textures? :rolls: Halo Reach textures>>>KZ3 textures.

Bus-A-Bus

[QUOTE="delta3074"]can killzone 3 do all these things Integrated Vegetation & Terrain Cover Generation System Real Time Soft Particle System Real-time Dynamic Global Illumination Volumetric, Layer & View Distance Fogging Normal Maps & Parallax Occlusion Maps Uber Shader Technology Eye Adaptation & High Dynamic Range (HDR) Lighting Parametric Skeletal Animation Procedural Motion Warping & High-End IK Solutions Subsurface Scattering CGI Quality Time of Day System Dynamic Volumetric Light Beams & Light Shaft Effects Advanced Rope Physics (this is very important,lol) Dynamic Volumetric Light Beams & Light Shaft Effects these are all standard features of the cryengine 3 on PC AND consoles .

hamzah1235

Yes.KZ3 does have real-time soft particle system, Global illumination, layer and view distance fogging maps, Parallax occlusion maps, fantastic shader technology, very advanced animation technology, ray-traced particle effects, volumetrric light beams and light shaft ends, extremely advanced physics that is going to allow it to have much more impressive full environmental destruction than BFBC2's, etc.

The question is, does Crysis 2 have very detailed environmental textures? No. Does it have incredibly detailed weapon models? No. Does it have fantastic Character models? (other than yourself) No. Does it have amaznig ragdoll physics that dynamically react with the environment? No. Does it have the best animation in the video game industry? No. Does it have High dynamic range audio? No. Does it have the name Crysis 2. Yes. :o, there you go :P

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Hamzah,what is so special about KZ3 textures? :rolls: Halo Reach textures>>>KZ3 textures.

KingsMessenger

No joke. The textures in that E3 presentation were downright awful. Many were clearly placeholders(much like a lot of Crysis 2 assets were placeholders), but they were awful.

Yea i know...i mean in terms of textures KZ3 is nothing special really.If he said more linear games like UC2 or even RE5 ok but KZ3 does NOT have great textures and whole level seems very bland.360 would handle that no doubt all those pipelines that are not doing any special vertices work would go on pixel side and voila ;)

Hamzah: Does KZ3 have dynamic GI?NO.Does it have some special gun models beside the main one?NO.Is it something special in terms of poly pushing?NO.Does it have HDR lighting?NO.Does it have as big scale?NO.Does it have some special texture quality?Hell NO.Dude,its so obvious what GG is gunning for with KZ3.They chosen some amazing animations,particle effects and post processing.Everything else is nothing that other games dont do but its more polished.Crysis 2 has considarably better lighting,its much more chaotic,with bigger scale and destructible environments and much more polygons in environment which probably resulted in bit lower detailed marines.

[QUOTE="monkeysmoke"]What's so special about killzone 3?Apart from the shiny gun model nothing is realy prety in the game the enviroment are so dull even the e3 gameplay demo was so linear & corridor confined while crysis 2 had better lighting,destructible enviroment & better particle effects all in a large scale open world enviroment. Rage also is very unique with it great textures,draw distance in a large open world enviroment & increadibly running at 60fps. Crysis 2> Rage >>>> killzone 3.hamzah1235

The only thing Crysis 2 has over killzone 3 is lighting, admitedly the SSGI looks fantastic with HDR light shaft. This is a feature even Crysis 1 and Warhead lacks so full props to Crytek. Now speaking strictly about the console version, the rest just doesn't impress me as much as Killzone 3. From the outrageous amount of particle "all physics based", the colliding sparks, MLAA, per object motion blur, to the photorealistic 3d waves and sublime hit response animation, killzone 3 does edge out crysis 2 IMO. The Intruder and oil rig flying sequence is one of the most epic realtime experience I had since the first40min of GOW3. And yet it's only in pre alpha stage, if the transition of pre alpha kz2 vs final kz2 is any indication, the final kz3 would most definitely step up to its own league. As for Rage, it's clearly not in the same competing level, I mean the game looks seriously outdated with its 100% prebaked lighting, non existent physics and Doom 3 level polycount characters. 60fps is cool though but I prefer a 30fps visual showcase.

gpuking

MLAA(image based AA) was originally done on Pentium IV.

Crysis applies image based AA on vegetation. Refer tohttp://http.developer.nvidia.com/GPUGems3/gpugems3_ch16.html

[QUOTE="hamzah1235"][QUOTE="monkeysmoke"]What's so special about killzone 3?Apart from the shiny gun model nothing is realy prety in the game the enviroment are so dull even the e3 gameplay demo was so linear & corridor confined while crysis 2 had better lighting,destructible enviroment & better particle effects all in a large scale open world enviroment. Rage also is very unique with it great textures,draw distance in a large open world enviroment & increadibly running at 60fps. Crysis 2> Rage >>>> killzone 3.ronvalencia

Yes there is,but other way around.People just have to use their eyes.KZ3 features one oil rafinery building and everything around is snow while Crysis 2 has clearly more "things" on screen that need more polygons.Obviously Crysis 2 has more and all that in bigger scale...

Honestly guys, they aren't going to admit that they are wrong ever. Even in the face of insurmountable evidence to the contrary, they are going to hold on to their plebeian and ignorant beliefs about the games... They cannot bear to admit that Crysis 2 looks as good or better than the best PS3 exclusives. It pains them to think that Crysis 2 will be equal to or better than KZ3 graphically, and they are going to do ANYTHING to try to "prove" that wrong, even if that means making **** up.

KZ3 levels look bland...i forgot to mention that,i would love to see 360 handling that game with quite low poly count,it would be piece of cake(expect for MLAA).

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"][QUOTE="hamzah1235"] KZ3 has much higher graphical fidelity in everyhting (Weapon models [By far], character models, animations, particle effects, textures, polygonal detail in the character models/environment, physics, etc.) KZ3 looks much better graphically in every aspect except C2's ;ighting, which is on par with KZ2 and im not sure about 3, and C2 has a larger scale. Thats it. Rage is lacking to much to be considered console graphics king Bus-A-Bus

Yes there is,but other way around.People just have to use their eyes.KZ3 features one oil rafinery building and everything around is snow while Crysis 2 has clearly more "things" on screen that need more polygons.Obviously Crysis 2 has more and all that in bigger scale...

[QUOTE="Bus-A-Bus"]

Hamzah,what is so special about KZ3 textures? :rolls: Halo Reach textures>>>KZ3 textures.

No joke. The textures in that E3 presentation were downright awful. Many were clearly placeholders(much like a lot of Crysis 2 assets were placeholders), but they were awful.

[QUOTE="hamzah1235"] ray-traced particle effectsTessellation

[QUOTE="hamzah1235"] ray-traced particle effectsTessellation

Raytracing in real time on the GPU

http://vimeo.com/2239168

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExbRDw52OzU&feature=related

Real Time V-Ray and accelerated by CUDA GPU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kXDiB1cdDg&feature=related

V-Ray features http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V-Ray

True raytraced reflections and refractions.

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[QUOTE="Bus-A-Bus"]

Hamzah,what is so special about KZ3 textures? :rolls: Halo Reach textures>>>KZ3 textures.

hamzah1235

No joke. The textures in that E3 presentation were downright awful. Many were clearly placeholders(much like a lot of Crysis 2 assets were placeholders), but they were awful.

There are 2D screenshots. Textures still look pretty weak. As I said, they are placeholders, but they still look bad.

[QUOTE="Tessellation"][QUOTE="hamzah1235"] ray-traced particle effectshamzah1235

The issue is it doesn't ray trace ANY particle effects.

Beside main gun KZ3 guns look okeish,KZ2s looked below average.

Bus-A-Bus

:lol:...What? If the KZ2 weapon models are below average, then every other weapon model in every game is complete garbage, espicially C2 and RAGE....KZ2/3 use a specific blur applied to the back of the weapon model to make a cinematic blur effect. Anyways, All of the weapon models in KZ2 are beyond phenominal in detail, and i have zoomed in very close and tried to scrutinize every part of the weapon model, but it all looks phenominal. Have you ever seen any footage of KZ2? Because if you have, you wouldnt have made a statement so incredibly fanboyish

[QUOTE="Bus-A-Bus"]

Hamzah,what is so special about KZ3 textures? :rolls: Halo Reach textures>>>KZ3 textures.

No joke. The textures in that E3 presentation were downright awful. Many were clearly placeholders(much like a lot of Crysis 2 assets were placeholders), but they were awful.

This is reminding me of a thread a long time ago about Crysis 1 vs Killzone 2. One guy, just like hamzah is sprouting all he can about 350+ dynamic light sources and how mighty Killzone 2 is. Oh yeah and no matter how many dynamic lights there are in Killzone 3, if you can call those crappy lights dynamic lights, Crysis 2 has global illumination.

EDIT: this thread

http://au.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=26970208

[QUOTE="hamzah1235"][QUOTE="KingsMessenger"]

No joke. The textures in that E3 presentation were downright awful. Many were clearly placeholders(much like a lot of Crysis 2 assets were placeholders), but they were awful.

KingsMessenger

There are 2D screenshots. Textures still look pretty weak. As I said, they are placeholders, but they still look bad.

....:lol:. As you were saying

KZ3 levels look bland...i forgot to mention that,i would love to see 360 handling that game with quite low poly count,it would be piece of cake(expect for MLAA).

Bus-A-Bus

[QUOTE="Bus-A-Bus"]

Beside main gun KZ3 guns look okeish,KZ2s looked below average.

hamzah1235

;lol:...What? If the KZ2 weapon models are below average, then every other weapon model in every game is complete garbage, espicially C2 and RAGE....KZ2/3 use a specific blur appliedto the back of the weapon model to make a cinematic blur effect. Anyways, All of the weapon models in KZ2 are beyond phenominal in detail, and i have zoomed in very close and tried to scrutinize every part of the weapon model, but it all looks phenominal. Have you ever seen any footage of KZ2? Because if you have, you wouldnt have made a statement so incredibly fanboyish

Yes i have seen,you seem to be the one who never seen anything else than KZ2/3 and UC2 and GOW III.Beside the main gun from KZ2/3,which IMO is best looking gun in FPS,console or PCs,everything other is average.

[QUOTE="KingsMessenger"]

....:roll:. The E3 footage was 3D, so unless you had your 3D glasses on, then it would appear extremely blurry...hamzah1235

There are 2D screenshots. Textures still look pretty weak. As I said, they are placeholders, but they still look bad.

....:lol:. As you were saying

[QUOTE="KingsMessenger"]

[QUOTE="hamzah1235"] ....:roll:. The E3 footage was 3D, so unless you had your 3D glasses on, then it would appear extremely blurry...hamzah1235

There are 2D screenshots. Textures still look pretty weak. As I said, they are placeholders, but they still look bad.

....:lol:. As you were saying

[QUOTE="hamzah1235"]

[QUOTE="KingsMessenger"]

There are 2D screenshots. Textures still look pretty weak. As I said, they are placeholders, but they still look bad.

....:lol:. As you were saying

[QUOTE="hamzah1235"][QUOTE="KingsMessenger"]

No joke. The textures in that E3 presentation were downright awful. Many were clearly placeholders(much like a lot of Crysis 2 assets were placeholders), but they were awful.

mayceV

[QUOTE="hamzah1235"]

[QUOTE="Bus-A-Bus"]

Beside main gun KZ3 guns look okeish,KZ2s looked below average.

Bus-A-Bus

;lol:...What? If the KZ2 weapon models are below average, then every other weapon model in every game is complete garbage, espicially C2 and RAGE....KZ2/3 use a specific blur appliedto the back of the weapon model to make a cinematic blur effect. Anyways, All of the weapon models in KZ2 are beyond phenominal in detail, and i have zoomed in very close and tried to scrutinize every part of the weapon model, but it all looks phenominal. Have you ever seen any footage of KZ2? Because if you have, you wouldnt have made a statement so incredibly fanboyish

Yes i have seen,you seem to be the one who never seen anything else than KZ2/3 and UC2 and GOW III.Beside the main gun from KZ2/3,which IMO is best looking gun in FPS,console or PCs,everything other is average.

Hamzah,just for you my mate.3D and 2D Killzone 3 REAL shots,no bullshots,straight from capture card.Again,what so special about textures?:rolls:

And now Crysis 2...

One thing is obvious,they are not far apart like you want to make people believe ;)

[QUOTE="hamzah1235"]

;lol:...What? If the KZ2 weapon models are below average, then every other weapon model in every game is complete garbage, espicially C2 and RAGE....KZ2/3 use a specific blur appliedto the back of the weapon model to make a cinematic blur effect. Anyways, All of the weapon models in KZ2 are beyond phenominal in detail, and i have zoomed in very close and tried to scrutinize every part of the weapon model, but it all looks phenominal. Have you ever seen any footage of KZ2? Because if you have, you wouldnt have made a statement so incredibly fanboyish

Yes i have seen,you seem to be the one who never seen anything else than KZ2/3 and UC2 and GOW III.Beside the main gun from KZ2/3,which IMO is best looking gun in FPS,console or PCs,everything other is average.

[QUOTE="hamzah1235"][QUOTE="Bus-A-Bus"]

Yes i have seen,you seem to be the one who never seen anything else than KZ2/3 and UC2 and GOW III.Beside the main gun from KZ2/3,which IMO is best looking gun in FPS,console or PCs,everything other is average.

Ravensmash

[QUOTE="Bus-A-Bus"]

WTF?KZ3 is basically one oil refinery with snow all around you,without that much post processing as KZ2 and without HDR.It has great animations but it does nothing much better than Crysis 2 and RAGE.The proof is that according to SW Crysis 2 and RAGE >=KZ3,and that is also opinion of press who were at E3,more were blown away by C2 and RAGE.Crysis 2 has better lightning than both of them,its much more chaotic,it has alot more polys pushed onto screen in comparison with KZ3 and still manages to look more impressive to general public,you failed ;)

hard_body79

But, that's a lie!!!

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Killzone 3 And Crysis 2 Head To Head

"If I had to decide which game looked better graphically now I would have to say Killzone 3...If Killzone 2 or 3 wasn't included in the discussion then it would be pretty safe to assume that Crysis 2 would be the best looking game on consoles."

http://www.ironstarmovement.com/profiles/blogs/pree3-2010-killzone-3-and?xg_source=activity

also.......................................

"Right off the bat you will notice that Killzone 3 is the graphics king once again."

http://www.gamesonsmash.com/2010/06/19/killzone-3-e3-2010-impressions/

@ 1:45 sec referring to killzone 3 "the most impressive game at the show involved in the next demention..." isn't Crysis 2 also using 3D tech? Yeah..

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/best-graphics-best-of-e3/701096

I'msure you can find opinon of C2 being better as well but making a bold point blank stantment like you have here is just FALSE. BTW GT5 won best graphics E3 2010 here at Gamespot.

Crysis 2 will be the best looking game ever made.

This is Crysis 2.

Everyone else is a 3rd grader in comparison.

Rage looked realy meh. The graphics were nice but evreything felt stiff as hell...

Crysis 2 looked good tho, can't wait to see it on a PC maxed out haha :D

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"][QUOTE="hamzah1235"] There are other weapon models in KZ2 that look better than the main assult rifle....All of the weapon models in KZ2 look phenominal...Whats their to argue when i have both a PS3 and a 360, while you have a 360 and a gaming rig, and would therefore not know accurately how incredibly detailed the KZ3 weapon models are with the purpose blur applied to ithamzah1235

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[QUOTE="Bus-A-Bus"]

WTF?KZ3 is basically one oil refinery with snow all around you,without that much post processing as KZ2 and without HDR.It has great animations but it does nothing much better than Crysis 2 and RAGE.The proof is that according to SW Crysis 2 and RAGE >=KZ3,and that is also opinion of press who were at E3,more were blown away by C2 and RAGE.Crysis 2 has better lightning than both of them,its much more chaotic,it has alot more polys pushed onto screen in comparison with KZ3 and still manages to look more impressive to general public,you failed ;)

TehNubTuber

But, that's a lie!!!

link........................................

Killzone 3 And Crysis 2 Head To Head

"If I had to decide which game looked better graphically now I would have to say Killzone 3...If Killzone 2 or 3 wasn't included in the discussion then it would be pretty safe to assume that Crysis 2 would be the best looking game on consoles."

http://www.ironstarmovement.com/profiles/blogs/pree3-2010-killzone-3-and?xg_source=activity

also.......................................

"Right off the bat you will notice that Killzone 3 is the graphics king once again."

http://www.gamesonsmash.com/2010/06/19/killzone-3-e3-2010-impressions/

@ 1:45 sec referring to killzone 3 "the most impressive game at the show involved in the next demention..." isn't Crysis 2 also using 3D tech? Yeah..

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/best-graphics-best-of-e3/701096

I'msure you can find opinon of C2 being better as well but making a bold point blank stantment like you have here is just FALSE. BTW GT5 won best graphics E3 2010 here at Gamespot.

^^ Yes I did, none of them said as explicitly as these quotes that it was graphics king, they just said the game looked great, or at best that it was the best looking game on the 360. None of them said it was graphics king or the best looking game on consoles. Ownage denied :P The large majority of gaming press agrees now and will agree whrn the games are released, KZ3 is by far the most impressive title, even if it ends up not being the best game.TehNubTuber

One of them said it looked like a game from next gen (as in the gen after this one). :P

[QUOTE="TehNubTuber"]^^ Yes I did, none of them said as explicitly as these quotes that it was graphics king, they just said the game looked great, or at best that it was the best looking game on the 360. None of them said it was graphics king or the best looking game on consoles. Ownage denied :P The large majority of gaming press agrees now and will agree whrn the games are released, KZ3 is by far the most impressive title, even if it ends up not being the best game.Snugenz

One of them said it looked like a game from next gen (as in the gen after this one). :P