What is so special graphically about Crysis 2 (On consoles) and Rage?

Crymod Crysis 2 Marine Salvage Trailer

"Marine Salvage - Central Station
A group of Marines are bravely defending evacuating civilians against a brutal alien attack. The odds are overwhelming and the situation looks grim. Only you can defeat them, using the unique powers of the Nanosuit. The video can be watched on Youtube by following this link. Please consider that this is not actual PC-spec footage, it is XBOX 360 footage."

Above screenshot was taken from the Marine Salvage trailer. :roll:

Crymod Crysis 2 Marine Salvage Trailer

"Marine Salvage - Central Station
A group of Marines are bravely defending evacuating civilians against a brutal alien attack. The odds are overwhelming and the situation looks grim. Only you can defeat them, using the unique powers of the Nanosuit. The video can be watched on Youtube by following this link. Please consider that this is not actual PC-spec footage, it is XBOX 360 footage."

Above screenshot was taken from the Marine Salvage trailer. :roll:

WhenCicadasCry

:lol:.It doesnt matterif it was the 360 version. All i know is is that the weapon model looks mediocre graphically, and the textures are poorly detailed

it is XBOX 360 footage

Above screenshot was taken from the Marine Salvage trailer. :roll:

WhenCicadasCry

Better be. If that was legitimate PC footage, the gamer inside me would die a little. :P

[QUOTE="WhenCicadasCry"]

it is XBOX 360 footage

Above screenshot was taken from the Marine Salvage trailer. :roll:

psn8214

Better be. If that was legitimate PC footage, the gamer inside me would die a little. :P

Especially if you just purchased a GTX480. :o :P

All footages of Crysis 2 to this date where shown on 360 or 360 settings.What does that mean?If you look at the video where Crysis 2 crashed you will see icon named X360 neighborhood which is actually SDK.Anyhow,their developer has stated that it was either 360 or PC with 360 settings through CE3,here is also quote from the guy that wrote IGNs preview.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=22080801&postcount=68

"I wrote IGN's first E3 Crysis 2 preview, which was the 360 version of the game in 3d. I know it was 360, because they booted it from devkit to game in front of me. It works and it looks quite sharp and effective, though it made a few editors from other outlets feel motion-sick."

"The difference between the stuff I saw in other games and what I was in Crysis 2 had more to do with subtlety than anything else; the z-plane stuff varied from undetectable to very apparent, but it was the most impressive in terms of verticality; things high up seemed REALLY high up. Dizzyingly so. None of the other 3D titles felt as open as Crysis did, so it's hard to make that comparison."

[QUOTE="hamzah1235"] Well, you said AW looked better than U2, KZ2, and GOW3. Then you said Gears 2 and Alan Wake (Titles that i played on a few minutes ago) look almost on-par, which is far, far from it...Look, you can try to argue that C2 will be somewhat near the graphical fidelity of KZ2/3, U2, or GOW3 (Even though it isnt), but Gears 2 and AW? Come on...:/. Even lemmings could have to disagree with that...KZ2/3, U2, and GOW3 all look much, much better graphically from a technical stand-point than any toher 360 exclusive...Honestly, C2 is you lemmings only hope of dreaming to obtain a console graphics king, since lemmings havent had one since Uncharted Drakes fortune and Heavenly Sword released, Obviously in your opinion your going to say C2 looks better because, well, youre biased for 360. I dont bash 360, nor its games, though I only argue about graphical debates anyways. I dont dislike the 360, but you obviously have to admit when something looks much, much better graphically in the case of KZ2, U2, and GOW3 when compared to any other 360 exclusive.delta3074

gears 2 does look almost on par with U2 and Kz 2,IMO, and no lemmings would not disagree, stop pulling things out of your backside dude, GOW3,UC2 and KZ2 do not look 'much,much' better than gears 2, you are deluded if you think that, the Ps3 has a slight edge in graphics, that is all, and i don't even accept the statement 'console graphics king' so i don't care about all that, i just called it the way I see it, and as far as i see it, crysis 2 looks better, opinions cannot be wrong, so stop telling me that mine is, you are one of those people 'if you don't agree with my opnion you are wrong'and if i was so biased towards the 360, why did i state that Kz3 looks btter than gears 3 and that UC2 is the best looking game on consoles? and don't lie, you are ALWAYS bashing the 360 and it's games, saying that PS3 exclusives are 'much,much' better looking is a classic example of that, don't try to take me for a fool, i have been gaming for nearly 25 years mate.

Agreed. Uncharted 2 and Killzone 2 look better, but it's not like a PS2 vs Xbox difference.

Crysis 2 has the best fire i have ever seen in video games :)

ive seen this mlaa on a pentium 4 mention multiple times in this thread,

people need drop this talk unless they can provide evidence of the framerate the game was running at and what resolution it was applied at, all in realtime on that p4

so whos got the realtime info? otherwise you might as well say that any previous processor could run it and they just happened to pick the p4

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="hamzah1235"] Im saying because of the applied blur on the back of the weapon models, which makes it difficult to notice the details of the incredible weapon models in KZ2 by an internet image

Ive been proven wrong? :lol:. Espicially coming from the guy who said AW will be the new console graphics king :lol:. KZ3 does use global illumination, i never said it ray traces every particle effect dynamically, though you do realize the Cell is extremely, extremely good at ray tracing. I never said that MLAA was never done before, though the PS3's MLAA technique is different than the Pentium 4's MLAA technique, in which it yields higher results more efficiently. AAA on the 360 only yields MSAAx8 as far as we can see. KZ3 looks much better graphically than C2 in every regard except lighting, "Lose my attitude that Ps3 exclusives look leaps and bounds better then 360 exclusives or multiplats"...:?. Its not an attitude, its a fact that they look much betetr graphically. What articles are you talking about?

[QUOTE="hamzah1235"] Well, you said AW looked better than U2, KZ2, and GOW3. Then you said Gears 2 and Alan Wake (Titles that i played on a few minutes ago) look almost on-par, which is far, far from it...Look, you can try to argue that C2 will be somewhat near the graphical fidelity of KZ2/3, U2, or GOW3 (Even though it isnt), but Gears 2 and AW? Come on...:/. Even lemmings could have to disagree with that...KZ2/3, U2, and GOW3 all look much, much better graphically from a technical stand-point than any toher 360 exclusive...Honestly, C2 is you lemmings only hope of dreaming to obtain a console graphics king, since lemmings havent had one since Uncharted Drakes fortune and Heavenly Sword released, Obviously in your opinion your going to say C2 looks better because, well, youre biased for 360. I dont bash 360, nor its games, though I only argue about graphical debates anyways. I dont dislike the 360, but you obviously have to admit when something looks much, much better graphically in the case of KZ2, U2, and GOW3 when compared to any other 360 exclusive.delta3074

ive seen this mlaa on a pentium 4 mention multiple times in this thread,

people need drop this talk unless they can provide evidence of the framerate the game was running at and what resolution it was applied at, all in realtime on that p4

so whos got the realtime info? otherwise you might as well say that any previous processor could run it and they just happened to pick the p4

i_am_interested

MLAA can be also done now on GPU.One study researched it and they made it...its still early but it will most probably work very good.Fact is,MLAA on GOW III was EXTREMELY slow and inefficient at first but they managed to get it to work after couple of months of researching.I think devs will now start to use other techniques,especially first party since 3rd does not have required time.

[QUOTE="WhenCicadasCry"]

Crymod Crysis 2 Marine Salvage Trailer

"Marine Salvage - Central Station
A group of Marines are bravely defending evacuating civilians against a brutal alien attack. The odds are overwhelming and the situation looks grim. Only you can defeat them, using the unique powers of the Nanosuit. The video can be watched on Youtube by following this link. Please consider that this is not actual PC-spec footage, it is XBOX 360 footage."

Above screenshot was taken from the Marine Salvage trailer. :roll:

hamzah1235

:lol:.It doesnt matterif it was the 360 version. All i know is is that the weapon model looks mediocre graphically, and the textures are poorly detailed

Textures are poorly detailed?

Looks pretty awesome to me. :|

it is XBOX 360 footage

Above screenshot was taken from the Marine Salvage trailer. :roll:

WhenCicadasCry

I'm guessing Crysis 2 weapon view doesn't use MLAA (I think)...

w/ MLAA...

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Seriesly though, it's arguable Killzone 3 has better weapon and character design.

720p @ 60fps and looks smooth and just better than anything out there. What's so especial about PS3 exclusives graphics? themyth01

cows hype them up because they're exclusives. that's about all there is to it.

[QUOTE="themyth01"] 720p @ 60fps and looks smooth and just better than anything out there. What's so especial about PS3 exclusives graphics? KarateeeChop

cows hype them up because they're exclusives. that's about all there is to it.

[QUOTE="Pug-Nasty"]

[QUOTE="delta3074"]can killzone 3 do all these things Integrated Vegetation & Terrain Cover Generation System Real Time Soft Particle System Real-time Dynamic Global Illumination Volumetric, Layer & View Distance Fogging Normal Maps & Parallax Occlusion Maps Uber Shader Technology Eye Adaptation & High Dynamic Range (HDR) Lighting Parametric Skeletal Animation Procedural Motion Warping & High-End IK Solutions Subsurface Scattering CGI Quality Time of Day System Dynamic Volumetric Light Beams & Light Shaft Effects Advanced Rope Physics (this is very important,lol) Dynamic Volumetric Light Beams & Light Shaft Effects these are all standard features of the cryengine 3 on PC AND consoles http://www.gamersdigest.net/2483/cryengine-3-features-in-detail/mayceV

That's a list of crap that doesn't mean anything. The only thing that does matter is what the games look like on an HDTV (or 3dTV I guess) when being played.

I don't see why people concentrate on all these things when they are just tech terms to describe a way of doing something that all games do, even if they use different techniques.

For instance, with all those really nifty terms, KZ3 is looking better than Crysis 2 so far based on what I've seen. It really doesn't matter what they do, but how well they do it.

If Reach looks best to you then that's all that matters. If that is so, would knowing it doesn't have this or that change anything?

I mean GTA IV is very impressive technically, but looks and plays like boo to me.

[QUOTE="mayceV"][QUOTE="Pug-Nasty"]

That's a list of crap that doesn't mean anything. The only thing that does matter is what the games look like on an HDTV (or 3dTV I guess) when being played.

I don't see why people concentrate on all these things when they are just tech terms to describe a way of doing something that all games do, even if they use different techniques.

For instance, with all those really nifty terms, KZ3 is looking better than Crysis 2 so far based on what I've seen. It really doesn't matter what they do, but how well they do it.

If Reach looks best to you then that's all that matters. If that is so, would knowing it doesn't have this or that change anything?

I mean GTA IV is very impressive technically, but looks and plays like boo to me.

[QUOTE="Pug-Nasty"]

[QUOTE="mayceV"] if we don't show that the tech is better and there is more strain on the system, and instead of listing factual stuff and go by what we see on the screen then I could say that I like how halo reach looks better than any game ever and that it beats everything else out there. now..... could you imagine the number of lemming cows and sheep attacking crysis 1 because of what they like to see? that's why we go by tech.mayceV

If Reach looks best to you then that's all that matters. If that is so, would knowing it doesn't have this or that change anything?

I mean GTA IV is very impressive technically, but looks and plays like boo to me.

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"][QUOTE="killzowned24"] it was pc bottom line. also, the game must have sucked pretty bad to have no demo stations lol!!

killzowned24

They actually did demo the Xbox 360 build as well.... Arthur Gies(aegies) who works at IGN said they booted an Xbox 360 dev kit and showed him the game running in both 2D and 3D.

:lol:.It doesnt matterif it was the 360 version. All i know is is that the weapon model looks mediocre graphically, and the textures are poorly detailed

hamzah1235

I love how your only tactic is to go back to arguments that got crushed10 pages ago. And then when we debunk it again, you move to your next argument. And it goes in a circle... Quit coming back to arguments that have failed.

You have failed.

Crysis 2 is roughly equal to KZ3 which is roughly equal to RAGE. I think the spread of "Best Graphics" awards across the internet, and the general statements of people who have seen the games PROVE THIS. You are just making a fanboyish and unsupportable argument. You have no evidence for anything you say and the fact that opinion on the games is pretty evenly split should suggest that the games are ultimately pretty even.

End of Story.

This thread needs to be closed.

I reckon it wont look the best on consoles... but my guess is that it will however play better than most at a high visual standard, which virtually no games have done recently.

[QUOTE="killzowned24"][QUOTE="Ravensmash"] It was a 360 build. BusABus should come in and explain it better, but the way CE3 works - it's easy to grasp. Why would they show Crysis 2 on the PC at evidently medium settings? Unless it was the 360's optimised version as they've said.KingsMessenger

They actually did demo the Xbox 360 build as well.... Arthur Gies(aegies) who works at IGN said they booted an Xbox 360 dev kit and showed him the game running in both 2D and 3D.

[QUOTE="KingsMessenger"]

They actually did demo the Xbox 360 build as well.... Arthur Gies(aegies) who works at IGN said they booted an Xbox 360 dev kit and showed him the game running in both 2D and 3D.

Chutebox

Yes.

I wrote IGN's first E3 Crysis 2 preview, which was the 360 version of the game in 3d. I know it was 360, because they booted it from devkit to game in front of me. It works and it looks quite sharp and effective, though it made a few editors from other outlets feel motion-sick.

aegies

[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="KingsMessenger"]

They actually did demo the Xbox 360 build as well.... Arthur Gies(aegies) who works at IGN said they booted an Xbox 360 dev kit and showed him the game running in both 2D and 3D.

KingsMessenger

Yes.

They haven't announced a 360 3D version, why would they demo it like that?

"You will laugh now," CEO and founder Cevat Yerli told VideoGamer.com. "Our impact is 1.5 per cent. You play 2D or 3D, you have no difference. It's pretty much for free. People, when they ask how, I say it's our little magic.

"That's why we also can do it on 360. That's the ironic part of it. In a funny way, people banked their investment on PS3 or on other 3D solutions, thinking the 360 can not do it. I'm saying, well, we've proven it. Whenever we show 3D, we show it intentionally on 360 to make the point. It works. It works flawless on PS3, 360 and PC as well. It just works; and one-and-a-half per cent impact only. Out of 30 frames it's 0.4 frames. So you don't notice it. That's what I want to say."

Crytek am win.

"You will laugh now," CEO and founder Cevat Yerli told VideoGamer.com. "Our impact is 1.5 per cent. You play 2D or 3D, you have no difference. It's pretty much for free. People, when they ask how, I say it's our little magic.

"That's why we also can do it on 360. That's the ironic part of it. In a funny way, people banked their investment on PS3 or on other 3D solutions, thinking the 360 can not do it. I'm saying, well, we've proven it. Whenever we show 3D, we show it intentionally on 360 to make the point. It works. It works flawless on PS3, 360 and PC as well. It just works; and one-and-a-half per cent impact only. Out of 30 frames it's 0.4 frames. So you don't notice it. That's what I want to say."

Crytek am win.

windsquid9000

Hamzah,just for you my mate.3D and 2D Killzone 3 REAL shots,no bullshots,straight from capture card.Again,what so special about textures?:rolls:

And now Crysis 2...

One thing is obvious,they are not far apart like you want to make people believe ;)

Bus-A-Bus

[QUOTE="windsquid9000"]

"You will laugh now," CEO and founder Cevat Yerli told VideoGamer.com. "Our impact is 1.5 per cent. You play 2D or 3D, you have no difference. It's pretty much for free. People, when they ask how, I say it's our little magic.

"That's why we also can do it on 360. That's the ironic part of it. In a funny way, people banked their investment on PS3 or on other 3D solutions, thinking the 360 can not do it. I'm saying, well, we've proven it. Whenever we show 3D, we show it intentionally on 360 to make the point. It works. It works flawless on PS3, 360 and PC as well. It just works; and one-and-a-half per cent impact only. Out of 30 frames it's 0.4 frames. So you don't notice it. That's what I want to say."

Crytek am win.

Chutebox

Seems to be almost entirely based on opinions. There were a number of people who prefered the 3D that Crysis 2 had to offer... Gamespy(and the Gamespy Debriefing podcast crew) for example said that it was a lot better than KZ3 and was actually the best 3D presentation at E3. Aegies seemed to like it and had positive things to say on the Rebel.fm podcast...

The thing with Crysis 2 is the verticality plays really well with the 3D because it is just has so much depth to it. You really get the feeling of being really high up. Meanwhile, in closer combat situation, it tones things down a bit, making it more subtle than anything else, giving a slight sense of depth, but not overwhelming the player...

It is just going to come down to a matter of opinion...

[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"]

[QUOTE="hamzah1235"] KZ3 has much higher graphical fidelity in everyhting (Weapon models [By far], character models, animations, particle effects, textures, polygonal detail in the character models/environment, physics, etc.) KZ3 looks much better graphically in every aspect except C2's ;ighting, which is on par with KZ2 and im not sure about 3, and C2 has a larger scale. Thats it. Rage is lacking to much to be considered console graphics kinghamzah1235

lol, its not a matter of who is right or wrong, it is that you are comparing a rendering engine to, well, hdr, two completely different things that do not compete at all. Come back when you understand what hdr is and what deffered rendering actually competes with.

And i cant remember the exact words but you said something along the lines of kz2 and uc2 do more physics calculations and that it was a fact that they had better physics than crysis.

[QUOTE="killzowned24"][QUOTE="Ravensmash"] It was a 360 build. BusABus should come in and explain it better, but the way CE3 works - it's easy to grasp. Why would they show Crysis 2 on the PC at evidently medium settings? Unless it was the 360's optimised version as they've said.KingsMessenger

They actually did demo the Xbox 360 build as well.... Arthur Gies(aegies) who works at IGN said they booted an Xbox 360 dev kit and showed him the game running in both 2D and 3D.

[QUOTE="KingsMessenger"]

[QUOTE="killzowned24"] because it clearly runs like crap or people could have demoed it like KZ3.killzowned24

They actually did demo the Xbox 360 build as well.... Arthur Gies(aegies) who works at IGN said they booted an Xbox 360 dev kit and showed him the game running in both 2D and 3D.

And? The Xbox 360 version was there. And it was EXACTLY the same as the other build being shown on the floor. Only difference is that showing it on the PC is vastly easier for them to demo...

ive seen this mlaa on a pentium 4 mention multiple times in this thread,

people need drop this talk unless they can provide evidence of the framerate the game was running at and what resolution it was applied at, all in realtime on that p4

so whos got the realtime info? otherwise you might as well say that any previous processor could run it and they just happened to pick the p4

i_am_interested

http://www.realtimerendering.com/blog/morphological-antialiasing/

http://visual-computing.intel-research.net/publications/mlaa.pdf

Fairy Forest model: morphological antialiasing improves the quality of the rendered image without having a noticeable impact on performance.

...

We did not try to implement other MLAA steps using SSE® instructions
(though it might be possible to do it using SSE4
operations), opting instead for preserving the universal nature of
the algorithm. The upcoming Larrabee chip [Seiler et al. 2008], as
well as modern GPU cards, are capable of handling 8-bit data
extremely efficiently, so our algorithm will benefit from porting to
these architectures.

[QUOTE="KingsMessenger"]

[QUOTE="killzowned24"] because it clearly runs like crap or people could have demoed it like KZ3.killzowned24

They actually did demo the Xbox 360 build as well.... Arthur Gies(aegies) who works at IGN said they booted an Xbox 360 dev kit and showed him the game running in both 2D and 3D.

[QUOTE="i_am_interested"]

ive seen this mlaa on a pentium 4 mention multiple times in this thread,

people need drop this talk unless they can provide evidence of the framerate the game was running at and what resolution it was applied at, all in realtime on that p4

so whos got the realtime info? otherwise you might as well say that any previous processor could run it and they just happened to pick the p4

ronvalencia

http://www.realtimerendering.com/blog/morphological-antialiasing/

http://visual-computing.intel-research.net/publications/mlaa.pdf

Fairy Forest model: morphological antialiasing improves the quality of the rendered image without having a noticeable impact on performance.

...

We did not try to implement other MLAA steps using SSE® instructions
(though it might be possible to do it using SSE4
operations), opting instead for preserving the universal nature of
the algorithm. The upcoming Larrabee chip [Seiler et al. 2008], as
well as modern GPU cards, are capable of handling 8-bit data
extremely efficiently, so our algorithm will benefit from porting to
these architectures.

you know you didnt even answer my question right? all im asking for is realtime framerate performance on an actual rendered scene in motion and the resolution that scene was rendered at

you know you didnt even answer my question right? all im asking for is realtime framerate performance on an actual rendered scene in motion and the resolution that scene was rendered at

i_am_interested

20 Million Pixels per second. Which ends up being like 21FPS @720p. That is roughly 50ms latency. By comparison, the first iterations of MLAA on the Cell were running at 120 ms latency(8.3 FPS). Optimized code could easily reach the level of being less than 30ms latency, which would be good enough for 30FPS. At that is on a Pentium 4. It is a highly parallel system which could theoretically do a lot if they were to scale onto things like a Core i7.

[QUOTE="killzowned24"][QUOTE="KingsMessenger"]

They actually did demo the Xbox 360 build as well.... Arthur Gies(aegies) who works at IGN said they booted an Xbox 360 dev kit and showed him the game running in both 2D and 3D.

lawlessx

[QUOTE="lawlessx"][QUOTE="killzowned24"] so what. there still was no demo with 360s for the crowd to play like most every other game.killzowned24

Not according to the press that saw the Xbox 360 demo. Framerate wasn't perfectly stable, but the game IS in ALPHA still.

[QUOTE="killzowned24"][QUOTE="KingsMessenger"]

They actually did demo the Xbox 360 build as well.... Arthur Gies(aegies) who works at IGN said they booted an Xbox 360 dev kit and showed him the game running in both 2D and 3D.

lawlessx

It matters because unless and until they show the game playing on actual 360 console, there is no guarantee the game will look as good. Any game dev can rez up the graphics that look amazing but requires super computer to run. id software on other hand demonstrated their Rage game running on 60FPS that looks better than Crysis 2 and Killzone 3.

[QUOTE="lawlessx"][QUOTE="killzowned24"] so what. there still was no demo with 360s for the crowd to play like most every other game.fun-da-mental

It matters because unless and until they show the game playing on actual 360 console, there is no guarantee the game will look as good. Any game dev can rez up the graphics that look amazing but requires super computer to run. id software on other hand demonstrated their Rage game running on 60FPS that looks better than Crysis 2 and Killzone 3

They showed the game to the gaming press, running on the Xbox 360. Arthur Gies said the versions they showed were pretty much identical.

[QUOTE="windsquid9000"]

"You will laugh now," CEO and founder Cevat Yerli told VideoGamer.com. "Our impact is 1.5 per cent. You play 2D or 3D, you have no difference. It's pretty much for free. People, when they ask how, I say it's our little magic.

"That's why we also can do it on 360. That's the ironic part of it. In a funny way, people banked their investment on PS3 or on other 3D solutions, thinking the 360 can not do it. I'm saying, well, we've proven it. Whenever we show 3D, we show it intentionally on 360 to make the point. It works. It works flawless on PS3, 360 and PC as well. It just works; and one-and-a-half per cent impact only. Out of 30 frames it's 0.4 frames. So you don't notice it. That's what I want to say."

Crytek am win.

Chutebox

[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="windsquid9000"]

"You will laugh now," CEO and founder Cevat Yerli told VideoGamer.com. "Our impact is 1.5 per cent. You play 2D or 3D, you have no difference. It's pretty much for free. People, when they ask how, I say it's our little magic.

"That's why we also can do it on 360. That's the ironic part of it. In a funny way, people banked their investment on PS3 or on other 3D solutions, thinking the 360 can not do it. I'm saying, well, we've proven it. Whenever we show 3D, we show it intentionally on 360 to make the point. It works. It works flawless on PS3, 360 and PC as well. It just works; and one-and-a-half per cent impact only. Out of 30 frames it's 0.4 frames. So you don't notice it. That's what I want to say."

Crytek am win.

heybooboo19

Their statements have suggested that they are actually doing more than that with their 3D. It doesn't seem to be just a depth buffer...

also, it is a question of cost/value... They don't spend any resources on it meaning they can maintain image quality. KZ3 cuts its rendering resolution in half and has some pretty mediocre image quality as a result. MLAA helps to mask the aliasing that covers it, but they aren't going to be able to mask the muddiness of the overall image...

I think it's hilarious that people are screaming that the screenshots are PC, not 360. Really shows that you're starting to crack.

[QUOTE="heybooboo19"][QUOTE="Chutebox"] I forgot where, but it was said that Crysis 2 3d wasn't as good as KZ3's. Not that it matters for me though, not gonna be playing it like that.KingsMessenger

Their statements have suggested that they are actually doing more than that with their 3D. It doesn't seem to be just a depth buffer...

also, it is a question of cost/value... They don't spend any resources on it meaning they can maintain image quality. KZ3 cuts its rendering resolution in half and has some pretty mediocre image quality as a result. MLAA helps to mask the aliasing that covers it, but they aren't going to be able to mask the muddiness of the overall image...

[QUOTE="i_am_interested"]

you know you didnt even answer my question right? all im asking for is realtime framerate performance on an actual rendered scene in motion and the resolution that scene was rendered at

KingsMessenger

20 Million Pixels per second. Which ends up being like 21FPS @720p. That is roughly 50ms latency. By comparison, the first iterations of MLAA on the Cell were running at 120 ms latency(8.3 FPS). Optimized code could easily reach the level of being less than 30ms latency, which would be good enough for 30FPS. At that is on a Pentium 4. It is a highly parallel system which could theoretically do a lot if they were to scale onto things like a Core i7.

it doesnt work like that, your numbers for 50ms at 21fps and 30ms at about 30fps assume that the image is generated INSTANTLY in the gpu which then instantly sends it to a p4 who can spend all of 30ms (of 33 total) on it and then send it back to the gpu instantly who can get it ready to send it out instantly for a 30fps game, that reads something like"

gpu generates image = 1ms, gpu sends to cpu = 1ms, cpu performs mlaa = 30ms, cpu sends to gpu = 1 ms, gpu finishes and sends out = 1ms

my whole point is that people keep downplaying what santa monica was able to do by bringing up how mlaa was done on a p4 yet NO ONE can provide any evidence of it being performed on a realtime scene on a p4, REAL TIME