What is the reason console users don't game on their PC?

If I can'y play the game the way its meant to be played, and be comfortable, then its a flaw.tehsystemwarior

[QUOTE="lowe0"][My couch doesn't have an arm. (No, I'm not making these up as convenient hypotheticals; I'm actually sitting in the living room I'm describing.)Vandalvideo

He doesn't have an "under" to his couch is my guess....

It's too expensive for me :( All the games and consoles I got were at cheap prices

I have a couple laptops and desktops. But my 360 is in the living room and stays hooked up and allows me to buy movies, music and games with just a few taps of the controller. It takes more steps with the pc and you also have to mess with drivers, program installation and Windows. There is also the problem of pc exclusives being designed around mouse and keyboard play and using a controller hack provides a subpar experience. Then on top of it the pc gets skipped on some major exclusives like Red Dead so I would have to keep a console next to the pc anyways.dc337

Localized multiplayer isn't dying out at all, there is in fact a long list of coop games on XBLA I haven't even tried. Gears of War is one of the best coop games I have ever played and though the first is on the pc it is limited and the second is non-existent. I just beat Scott Pilgrim with a friend the other day and I don't see any recent pc games that would provide an equivalent experience. Tomb Raider Guardian of Light is one of the best Tomb Raider games in years and it is designed around coop. You're completely wrong about coop games dying out. If anything there is a resurgence thanks to all the recent 2D platformers on the Wii.

its very expensive for 500 dollars i could buy all three consoles at a used price 100 for 360 100 for wii and 200 for ps3 then the chargers and maybe a warranty for the ps3/360 would come up to 500 dollars. also i'm not a fan of digital distribution and having to have your computer online to play single player games. i know not all games do it but i remember ea used to use that a lot

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="lowe0"][My couch doesn't have an arm. (No, I'm not making these up as convenient hypotheticals; I'm actually sitting in the living room I'm describing.)Hakkai007

He doesn't have an "under" to his couch is my guess....

I see threads all of the time about wanting ME1 on PS3, or The Witcher on consoles.

Both games are easily played on PCs that were made five years ago - this goes all the way back to Windows XP, and when PC GPUs were at 256 MB.

Are console users all using entry-level PCs with integrated graphics, is that why they can't game on a PC?

Is it a fear of having to install before you can play?

I'd really like to know what the reason is.

topsemag55

its very expensive for 500 dollars i could buy all three consoles at a used price 100 for 360 100 for wii and 200 for ps3 then the chargers and maybe a warranty for the ps3/360 would come up to 500 dollars. also i'm not a fan of digital distribution and having to have your computer online to play single player games. i know not all games do it but i remember ea used to use that a lot

ps2snesgod

Please, lets not get into a price statement. There are alot of fallacies put against the Pc on it as with consoles. Cost is purely subjective to the person buying said piece of hardware.

[QUOTE="tehsystemwarior"]If I can'y play the game the way its meant to be played, and be comfortable, then its a flaw.Vandalvideo

its very expensive for 500 dollars i could buy all three consoles at a used price 100 for 360 100 for wii and 200 for ps3 then the chargers and maybe a warranty for the ps3/360 would come up to 500 dollars. also i'm not a fan of digital distribution and having to have your computer online to play single player games. i know not all games do it but i remember ea used to use that a lot

ps2snesgod

You could build a PC for around 350USD that is around 3 times the power of a 360 or PS3.

Also a PC does much more than games.

I use mine for work, video editing and much more.

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its very expensive for 500 dollars i could buy all three consoles at a used price 100 for 360 100 for wii and 200 for ps3 then the chargers and maybe a warranty for the ps3/360 would come up to 500 dollars. also i'm not a fan of digital distribution and having to have your computer online to play single player games. i know not all games do it but i remember ea used to use that a lot

Hakkai007

You could build a PC for around 350USD that is around 3 times the power of a 360 or PS3.

Also a PC does much more than games.

I use mine for work, video editing and much more.

Can i see the build then please?tehsystemwarior

You can pick up Windows 7 for 30USD if you are a college student or know one.

Or you can use the Windows OS you have on your hard drive right now.

This is an older build I made so the prices may have changed.

I could make a build with current prices but this is just an example.

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its very expensive for 500 dollars i could buy all three consoles at a used price 100 for 360 100 for wii and 200 for ps3 then the chargers and maybe a warranty for the ps3/360 would come up to 500 dollars. also i'm not a fan of digital distribution and having to have your computer online to play single player games. i know not all games do it but i remember ea used to use that a lot

You could build a PC for around 350USD that is around 3 times the power of a 360 or PS3.

Also a PC does much more than games.

I use mine for work, video editing and much more.

M.P.R

Money, Power, Respect

Yeah, I don't know of any PC that only cost 350, and is better than the 360/PS3 at that price?Maybe 500, but not 350. I may be wrong, because I don't shop around for a gaming PC, but from the PC's I've seen for that price have mainly been dual core processor, 2-3gb ram, and usually a intergrated graphics card. I'm with tehsystemwarior, I'd like to see the build. If it is possible then I may be in for a gaming rig. godzillavskong

This is about as low as I would go including a OS(which could be flipped from your old harddrive your own now). This is also a 5 minute search. If you don't consider Os we talking 350 dollars.

[QUOTE="godzillavskong"] Yeah, I don't know of any PC that only cost 350, and is better than the 360/PS3 at that price?Maybe 500, but not 350. I may be wrong, because I don't shop around for a gaming PC, but from the PC's I've seen for that price have mainly been dual core processor, 2-3gb ram, and usually a intergrated graphics card. I'm with tehsystemwarior, I'd like to see the build. If it is possible then I may be in for a gaming rig. jedikevin2

This is about as low as I would go including a OS(which could be flipped from your old harddrive your own now). This is also a 5 minute search.

[QUOTE="godzillavskong"] Yeah, I don't know of any PC that only cost 350, and is better than the 360/PS3 at that price?Maybe 500, but not 350. I may be wrong, because I don't shop around for a gaming PC, but from the PC's I've seen for that price have mainly been dual core processor, 2-3gb ram, and usually a intergrated graphics card. I'm with tehsystemwarior, I'd like to see the build. If it is possible then I may be in for a gaming rig. jedikevin2

This is about as low as I would go including a OS(which could be flipped from your old harddrive your own now). This is also a 5 minute search. If you don't consider Os we talking 350 dollars.

Yah I am guessing the prices have gotten cheaper over time than the old build I posted.

Sounds interesting. How much does all that run?Is that Zotac video card any good?godzillavskong

It will play just about any game at 1680x1050 at max or near max settings.

Some games will play fine at 1920x1080 especially multiplat games.

I know this because it is a little bit stronger than my 2007 PC video card and my 2007 PC build can run just about any game at near max or max settings at 1680x1050.

[QUOTE="tehsystemwarior"]Can i see the build then please?Hakkai007

You can pick up Windows 7 for 30USD if you are a college student or know one.

Or you can use the Windows OS you have on your hard drive right now.

This is an older build I made so the prices may have changed.

I could make a build with current prices but this is just an example.

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Since when do you have to deal with "drivers and installations" when dealing with netflix on teh computer? They have something called "on demand" or "watch now". No extra programs required. Also, false on the controller hack providing a subpar experience. Joy to key is a wonderful program that makes a seamless experience and it feels exactly like it would regularly.Vandalvideo

Compared to the sheer amount of old split screen games that consoles used to have, yes it is dieing out. You have to rely on indie games on live which fewer people generally have. Not only that, but the fact of the matter is that every game can be played in splitscreen on the PC. Vandalvideo

BTW Guardian of Light isn't an indie game nor are the Konami XBLA coop games. Scott Pilgrim is made by Ubisoft. The major game companies have learned the coop games are hot sellers on XBLA and PSN. This gen will end with more coop games than the last.

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[QUOTE="tehsystemwarior"]Can i see the build then please?tehsystemwarior

You can pick up Windows 7 for 30USD if you are a college student or know one.

Or you can use the Windows OS you have on your hard drive right now.

This is an older build I made so the prices may have changed.

I could make a build with current prices but this is just an example.

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The re-certified was just an example you can find similar new video cards for around that price.

And they are 3 times or more the power of a console. They will play games at much better settings than current gen consoles ever will.

Also a dual core still works fine.

I have one in my 2007 PC build and it plays just about any game at near max or max settings at 1680x1050.

Also 2 gigs is enough and was used in my 2007 PC build.

The only games I have run into the require more than 2 gigs were very high textures mods for Stalker, And Half Life 2 cinematic 10.

Regular games ill not require more than 2 gigs. Multiplats barely use anything RAM too let alone PC exclusives.

[QUOTE="godzillavskong"]Sounds interesting. How much does all that run?Is that Zotac video card any good?Hakkai007

It will play just about any game at 1680x1050 at max or near max settings.

Some games will play fine at 1920x1080 especially multiplat games.

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[QUOTE="tehsystemwarior"]Can i see the build then please?tehsystemwarior

You can pick up Windows 7 for 30USD if you are a college student or know one.

Or you can use the Windows OS you have on your hard drive right now.

This is an older build I made so the prices may have changed.

I could make a build with current prices but this is just an example.

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Yet it is easily more powerful than a console and undoubtedly run games at high visual fidelity.

I may be sold then. I may look into it for my son, but I want to make sure I do my research first. I think that is another reason for a lot of people who only game on consoles, since they have to know a little bit about them to know how to piece them together. If they don't, they may be taken advantage of, or tricked into having to spend over 800 for one that is already pieced together.If you aren't up to speed enough, I'm sure someone in let's say Best Buy, will probably try to sell you the higher end PC that is already built for gaming.godzillavskong

The only thing I am a bit skeptical on in the build he posted is the phenom quad.

The first gen phenom x4 did not perform that well.

Although the Phenom II x4 are really good.

Yet it is easily more powerful than a console and undoubtedly run games at high visual fidelity.

ferret-gamer

I don't know why I bother posting builds for console gamers to make ignorant posts as if they know anything about computers.

1 pc power

2 they dont like gaming with a keyboard and mouse

3 they need a pc for work music and internet

4 you can find thousands more games on a console

5 Used games

6 cheaper to afford

7 the consoles you wont need to upgrade the hardware

8 we dont pay as much to play online(XBL)free(everything else) and its for 2000+ games not just one

9 easier to pick up and play

10 console start up times between 1 to 10 seconds on all consoles but pc takes upwards of 30 seconds

11 game start up times between .5 to 3 seconds rather than pc at upwards of 20 seconds

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Yet it is easily more powerful than a console and undoubtedly run games at high visual fidelity.

Hakkai007

I don't know why I bother posting builds for console gamers to make ignorant posts as if they know anything about computers.

1 pc power What do you mean?

2 they dont like gaming with a keyboard and mouse You can use a Xbox 360 or PS3 controller on the PC.

3 they need a pc for work music and internet Ok.....

4 you can find thousands more games on a console There are many many many many many many many times more PC games. Especially with a backlog of 30 years including the ability to play console games on the PC

5 Used games True in some sense, but devs are starting to make it so you have to pay extra to activate multiplayer online and extra content from used games.

6 cheaper to afford Nope it dpeends on how much you want to spend on a PC. Games are cheaper on PC and you can build your own PC for very cheap. A 350 USD PC can be more than 3 times the power of a console

7 the consoles you wont need to upgrade the hardware You don't need to upgrade a computer either. If the hardare is better than the console it will always play the games with better visuals and at higher frame rate.

8 we dont pay as much to play online(XBL)free(everything else) and its for 2000+ games not just one Wait what? XBL cost money......

9 easier to pick up True to an extent

10 console start up times between 1 to 10 seconds on all consoles but pc takes upwards of 30 seconds My PC takes around 10 seconds to start and I can put it to sleep mode which will start up in 3 seconds.

11 game start up times between .5 to 3 seconds rather than pc at upwards of 20 seconds My PC games start up instantly and the load times are much faster

bigM10231

I have a PC that can game, but If i know one thing about PC gaming, it's that you don't want to buy POS hardware(re-certified), and you want one that will work for years to come. If I went into the PC hardware discussion thread, and asked about that build, they will all tell me it's not worth it.tehsystemwarior

And yet you say 2 gigs and a dual core is not enough, which is completely false.

I used recertified as an example but you can purchase a card of the same or more powerful performance for around the same price.

So your point is moot.

I have shown that you were wrong and you don't want to believe it.

[QUOTE="tehsystemwarior"]I have a PC that can game, but If i know one thing about PC gaming, it's that you don't want to buy POS hardware(re-certified), and you want one that will work for years to come. If I went into the PC hardware discussion thread, and asked about that build, they will all tell me it's not worth it.Hakkai007

And yet you say 2 gigs and a dual core is not enough, which is completely false.

I used recertified as an example but you can purchase a card of the same or more powerful performance for around the same price.

So your point is moot.

I have shown that you were wrong and you don't want to believe it.

Would it also depend on the operating system, seeing as how some like Vista use up more memory? Just asking, please don't slam me for my lack of PC knowledge.godzillavskong

I won't slam someone if they ask questions rather than make accusations or false claims.

You are asking questions and quite politely.

To answer your question yes Vista did use more RAM (memory).

But a computer OS can be customized to use a lot less memory.

In the background there are a lot of computer processes that may be running that are not needed.

You can easily change that by setting most of those processes to manual to that they only start up if they are needed or if you start it yourself.

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1 pc power What do you mean?

2 they dont like gaming with a keyboard and mouse You can use a Xbox 360 or PS3 controller on the PC.

3 they need a pc for work music and internet Ok.....

4 you can find thousands more games on a console There are many many many many many many many times more PC games. Especially with a backlog of 30 years including the ability to play console games on the PC

5 Used games True in some sense, but devs are starting to make it so you have to pay extra to activate multiplayer online and extra content from used games.

6 cheaper to afford Nope it dpeends on how much you want to spend on a PC. Games are cheaper on PC and you can build your own PC for very cheap. A 350 USD PC can be more than 3 times the power of a console

7 the consoles you wont need to upgrade the hardware You don't need to upgrade a computer either. If the hardare is better than the console it will always play the games with better visuals and at higher frame rate.

8 we dont pay as much to play online(XBL)free(everything else) and its for 2000+ games not just one Wait what? XBL cost money......

9 easier to pick up True to an extent

10 console start up times between 1 to 10 seconds on all consoles but pc takes upwards of 30 seconds My PC takes 10-15 to start and I can put it to sleep mode which will start up in 3 seconds.

11 game start up times between .5 to 3 seconds rather than pc at upwards of 20 seconds My PC games start up instantly and the load times are much faster

Hakkai007

you obviously read the price of online wrong.

it says we dont pay AS MUCH

well like 70% of pc users thats not the case for load times

and PC power most dont have a 3.0GHz CPU or a high power GPU

the finding games? where are they? i cant find pc titles where i live and its a very populus place you obviously read the price of online wrong. it says we dont pay AS MUCH well like 70% of pc users thats not the case for load timesbigM10231

Nope the prices are cheaper. When games are released the PC version is almost always 10 USD cheaper and sometimes more.

Also Steam has great deals.

http://store.steampowered.com/

And you just pull that percentage out of your "you know what".

the finding games? where are they?

bigM10231

Online (Steam, D2D, GoG, Impulse, etc) and in stores.

Just look at the spreadsheet for an idea of just how many games there are.

[QUOTE="tehsystemwarior"]I have a PC that can game, but If i know one thing about PC gaming, it's that you don't want to buy POS hardware(re-certified), and you want one that will work for years to come. If I went into the PC hardware discussion thread, and asked about that build, they will all tell me it's not worth it.Hakkai007

And yet you say 2 gigs and a dual core is not enough, which is completely false.

I used recertified as an example but you can purchase a card of the same or more powerful performance for around the same price.

So your point is moot.

I have shown that you were wrong and you don't want to believe it.

2 gigs and a dual core are all right for now, but very soon will be obsolete. I'm not saying its a awful build, but a game like Civ 5 would not run well on that at all. The 9800 is still a decent card, but going cheaper is not a great idea, which you would have to if you don't want re-certified. Case inst even for sale on newegg anymore, and I can imagine the cooling of a 17 dollar case would be trash. the mobo seems to be alright, but you really want a reliable one, and idk about that one. for a new GPU at about 60-70 puts you at 220 area. I have a 220, and its alright, but newer games like Arma laugh at it. The build might be good for a year, but your gonna need to upgrade that.tehsystemwarior

Did no one look at the build I proposed? Hakkai did demonstrate that his picture was pretty old. The build I prposed has great upgradability and scaling so even if the person wanted to upgrade it would be a very simple and easy upgrade (new cpu or more ram etc etc etc)

[QUOTE="bigM10231"]the finding games? where are they? i cant find pc titles where i live and its a very populus place you obviously read the price of online wrong. it says we dont pay AS MUCH well like 70% of pc users thats not the case for load timesHakkai007

Nope the prices are cheaper. When games are released the PC version is almost always 10 USD cheaper and sometimes more.

Also Steam has great deals.

http://store.steampowered.com/

And you just pull that percentage out of your "you know what".

2 gigs and a dual core are all right for now, but very soon will be obsolete. I'm not saying its a awful build, but a game like Civ 5 would not run well on that at all. The 9800 is still a decent card, but going cheaper is not a great idea, which you would have to if you don't want re-certified. Case inst even for sale on newegg anymore, and I can imagine the cooling of a 17 dollar case would be trash. the mobo seems to be alright, but you really want a reliable one, and idk about that one. for a new GPU at about 60-70 puts you at 220 area. I have a 220, and its alright, but newer games like Arma laugh at it. The build might be good for a year, but your gonna need to upgrade that.tehsystemwarior

The build will always run console multiplats better than consoles.

And Civ 5 works fine on a dual core. I know because I ran it smoothly.

For 70-80 you can get something around the performance of a 9800gt which is much better than a 220.

The guy who posted the other build was a pretty cheap card that was a gts 250 and that is better than the 9800gt.

i was talking about online price. wow users pay 15$ a month but XBL users only pay 5$ a month for 2000+ gamesbigM10231

What?... Where did Wow comes from?...

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[QUOTE="bigM10231"]the finding games? where are they? i cant find pc titles where i live and its a very populus place you obviously read the price of online wrong. it says we dont pay AS MUCH well like 70% of pc users thats not the case for load timesbigM10231

Nope the prices are cheaper. When games are released the PC version is almost always 10 USD cheaper and sometimes more.

Also Steam has great deals.

http://store.steampowered.com/

And you just pull that percentage out of your "you know what".

[QUOTE="tehsystemwarior"]2 gigs and a dual core are all right for now, but very soon will be obsolete. I'm not saying its a awful build, but a game like Civ 5 would not run well on that at all. The 9800 is still a decent card, but going cheaper is not a great idea, which you would have to if you don't want re-certified. Case inst even for sale on newegg anymore, and I can imagine the cooling of a 17 dollar case would be trash. the mobo seems to be alright, but you really want a reliable one, and idk about that one. for a new GPU at about 60-70 puts you at 220 area. I have a 220, and its alright, but newer games like Arma laugh at it. The build might be good for a year, but your gonna need to upgrade that.Hakkai007

The build will always run console multiplats better than consoles.

And Civ 5 works fine on a dual core. I know because I ran it smoothly.

For 70-80 you can get something around the performance of a 9800gt which is much better than a 220.

The guy who posted the other build was a pretty cheap card that was a gts 250 and that is better than the 9800gt.

i was talking about online price. wow users pay 15$ a month but XBL users only pay 5$ a month for 2000+ gamesbigM10231

While you are correct that is a very small portion.

WoW constantly has new content released.

Although I hate wow I admit it is good for an mmorpg.

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Nope the prices are cheaper. When games are released the PC version is almost always 10 USD cheaper and sometimes more.

Also Steam has great deals.

http://store.steampowered.com/

And you just pull that percentage out of your "you know what".

tehsystemwarior

The quality of what you're buying is still low though. I'd day $500 for an entry level build would be much better. My build Althon 630x4, 4 gigs DDr3 and GT 220 cost me about 500-550 and gives the CPU and RAM to last a while.tehsystemwarior

The Gt 220 is too low for gaming at higher settings and resolution.

The good thing about PC is you make your own build.

I proved my point when providing a build that is 3 times or more the power of a console for around 350USD.

Everyone has their own PC preference.

[QUOTE="tehsystemwarior"][QUOTE="bigM10231"]i was talking about online price. wow users pay 15$ a month but XBL users only pay 5$ a month for 2000+ gamesbigM10231

[QUOTE="tehsystemwarior"]The quality of what you're buying is still low though. I'd day $500 for an entry level build would be much better. My build Althon 630x4, 4 gigs DDr3 and GT 220 cost me about 500-550 and gives the CPU and RAM to last a while.Hakkai007

The Gt 220 is too low for gaming at higher settings and resolution.

The good thing about PC is you make your own build.

I proved my point when providing a build that is 3 times or more the power of a console for around 350USD.

Everyone has their own PC preference.

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[QUOTE="tehsystemwarior"] You have to buy all those games for xbox too. And believe it or not, there are other PC games, and very few of them require monthly payments. And WoW users get constant updates. On xbox you don't get jack****. Besides servers closed down.tehsystemwarior

what is the reason why pc gamers give a **** what console gamers do? yeah, that's the better question TC...