What kind of graphics do you expect next generation?

For a console, I just want full 1080p rendering with enough power to spare to NOT have dips in FPS with no subHD games. I alwo want full effects without having to compromise, such as DX11 effects, and better AI and physics integrations/power. That'd be enough for me really.

[QUOTE="Arach666"]For the next gen of consoles not much tbh,I expect the next gen to be the one with the smallest visual leap ever.nameless12345

How so? Even the Wii-U is going to be noticably better than the HD twins. I don't think MS and Sony will go *that* cheap on their next machines. I do expect them to be better than the Wii-U. Perhaps even considerably better.

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[QUOTE="Arach666"]For the next gen of consoles not much tbh,I expect the next gen to be the one with the smallest visual leap ever.theuncharted34

How so? Even the Wii-U is going to be noticably better than the HD twins. I don't think MS and Sony will go *that* cheap on their next machines. I do expect them to be better than the Wii-U. Perhaps even considerably better.

The Wii U isn't going to be THAT much more powerful. If anything it's going to be akin to the Ps2 > Gc = Xbox gap.

Sony will probably make a powerful console, Microsoft most likely won't though, Because they just don't need to.

We can look what AMD Radeon HD 4670 (RV730, VLIW5, DX10.1, 320 stream processors)'s or Radeon HD 5550 (Redwood, VLIW5, DX11, 320 stream processors) results.

Radeon HD 4670 1GB GDDR3 running Street Fighter IV PC at 1680x1050p

Xbox 360 and PS3 can only run Street Fighter IV at around 1280x720p.

There's a faster Radeon HD 4670 variant with GDDR4 memory.

Crysis with mods, Crysis 2 with mods, GTA4 with mods. You know what I mean.

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[QUOTE="Supabul"]

It's all ready been confirmed that the next Xbox will have graphic's on par with the movie Avatar

starjet905

360 already has almost-avatar like graphics though.

No, seriously.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1uKlUdQUJ0

[QUOTE="starjet905"][QUOTE="firefluff3"]

360 already has almost-avatar like graphics though.

firefluff3

No, seriously.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1uKlUdQUJ0

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It's not about "making it faster", it's about accomplishing the same results but doing it in a faster way. It's called "optimizing". No offense, but if you're not aware of how that works then you don't know very much about programming.

No Im talking about just because of coding you cant make a peice of hardware operate faster then what its designed to do.. Like making the 360 gpu going from 240 GFLOPS performance to 480 GFLOPS, you must have miss understand what I was refferinga bout.

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there are plenty of examples of PC games pushing gpu's to nearly 100% usage showing that the game/software is efficient.
Teufelhuhn

Now your over analyzing what I referring too when a game uses gpu's to their full potentialno matter the gpu8800GT to even a GTX 560tiis that not being efficient?

Ya devs do tweak the games to get it to work correctly why do you think many games run below HD resolutions have items or detail in sections tone down or cut to make it run well. All they do do is compromise when the hardware it already at its limits....

04dcarraher

When an engine is already been optminized and they keep on trying to add to it putting more into something else in a resource limited environment they have compromise somthing else. Of course they spend time on the coding to make things faster, but what happens when they already hit a wall ? being in resource limited environment you always have yo make discisiions in what they can cut, tone down or what section they want to focus on becuase the hardware wont allow it.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

To be honest I'm not expecting that large of a change. Maybe more ram and 1080p standard, maybe, I still doubt that though. The next gen consoles aren't going to focus on graphics, they'll focus on other features.

Ly_the_Fairy

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[QUOTE="starjet905"]Funny joke. :lol: Well, I'm hoping for 1080p with at least something like FXAA. We shouldn't hope for too much. :Pstarjet905

No, seriously.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1uKlUdQUJ0

It was a joke :P

No Im talking about just because of coding you cant make a peice of hardware operate faster then what its designed to do.. Like making the 360 gpu going from 240 GFLOPS performance to 480 GFLOPS, you must have miss understand what I was refferinga bout.

04dcarraher

Now your over analyzing what I referring too when a game uses gpu's to their full potentialno matter the gpu8800GT to even a GTX 560tiis that not being efficient?

04dcarraher

When an engine is already been optminized and they keep on trying to add to it putting more into something else in a resource limited environment they have compromise somthing else. Of course they spend time on the coding to make things faster, but what happens when they already hit a wall ? being in resource limited environment you always have yo make discisiions in what they can cut, tone down or what section they want to focus on becuase the hardware wont allow it.

04dcarraher

I'm really not interested in graphical improvements, I'm instead hoping for story and length improvements. It is my opinion that the current generation of games are either to shallow or are to short.

I'm surprised so many people are willing to write off graphical improvements on the next gen consoles as such a trivial change. The difference in top end PC tech and current consoles is VERY NOTICABLE. It makes it hard to go back to that 360 and look at something that was impressive 5 years ago. As far as everyone worried about the story/gameplay. Obviously that is what makes a game but that is the responsibility of the developer. Im not convinced that, just because these devs have to create games at a high visual level, they will skimp on the gameplay. It will be the same as it has always been. Good devs will release good games with good stories/gameplay. And then there will be a plethora of mediocre titles.

By the time console actually games @ 1080p, most displays will be rocking 4k resolution.:o Thus begins the another round of upscaling-gaming.

Honestly I don't mind if graphics don't improve next gen.mrmusicman247

[QUOTE="mrmusicman247"]Honestly I don't mind if graphics don't improve next gen.cainetao11

[QUOTE="cainetao11"][QUOTE="mrmusicman247"]Honestly I don't mind if graphics don't improve next gen.silversix_

Some people still play PS1 games and those were 240p (most of the time) and had no AA and AF (or texture smoothing even) whatsoever ;)