What's so good about Zelda?

Nostalgia mostly. I think the series is starting to show its age, but nintendo diehards will still defend it to the end. I think skywardsword got the score it deserves.

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"] Yes I've played it, and beaten it. The game design is the same as any other zelda game out there. It needs a change; the ending was more than expected.Eponique

Well the game design is the same for me. It's been the same ever sense a link to the past when I was younger. When I replay these games more than once it all becomes more apparent. MM was the only game in the series that truely tried something different with the gameplay mechanics and it's theleast talked about zelda game.

edo-tensei

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"]

Well the game design is the same for me. It's been the same ever sense a link to the past when I was younger. When I replay these games more than once it all becomes more apparent. MM was the only game in the series that truely tried something different with the gameplay mechanics and it's theleast talked about zelda game.

Eponique

That's what I'm wondering. The way people speak it sounds like people want Nintendo to make Zelda into something it is not.

I'm fine with the way Nintendo has handled Zelda thus far. While the core gameplay between each game is similar, Nintendo makes other changes between each game to help make each game feel different.

Well the game design is the same for me. It's been the same ever sense a link to the past when I was younger. When I replay these games more than once it all becomes more apparent. MM was the only game in the series that truely tried something different with the gameplay mechanics and it's theleast talked about zelda game.

[QUOTE="Eponique"][QUOTE="edo-tensei"]

Well the game design is the same for me. It's been the same ever sense a link to the past when I was younger. When I replay these games more than once it all becomes more apparent. MM was the only game in the series that truely tried something different with the gameplay mechanics and it's theleast talked about zelda game.

edo-tensei

I'm curious, how do you think Zelda should change then?

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"][QUOTE="Eponique"] LttP and the 3D Zeldas are about as similar as 2D and 3D Marios :? MM is a huge departure from the traditional style, but you can't expect that to be standard. Why is that Zelda has to be the franchise that has to be a different genre with every new release? Why do games like Uncharted or Assassins' Creed get a pass for having the exact same gameplay? Zelda, except maybe TP, makes considerable gameplay changes for each new release yet people still complain either that it's too different, or they're surprised the game doesn't play like Zelda Kart. And Zelda takes plenty of Majora's Mask-like departures: Phantom Hourglass was very fun. They tried to be different with Spirit Tracks even though it failed.DJ-Lafleur

I'm curious, how do you think Zelda should change then?

Okay, then why are Halo and Killzone still shooters? CoD is from last generation too, and it's still a shooter. I'm surprised they didn't transform to SHMUPs by now. GTA and MGS still play the same, yet they're the best games ever. Did I forget Gran Turismo? The only reason Zelda is expected to change completely, is because Nintendo actually bothers making considerable changes. People end up liking these changes and thus they want even more. If all the games played the exact same way, and we never got anything like Majora's Mask, Wind Waker, Skyward Sword or any of the handheld games, I have a feeling people would be complaining a lot less.Eponique

I just don't know what kind of changes people expect from Zelda. It's like they want Nintendo to just drop Zelda's identity completely and for the game to be absolutely nothing like what makes Zelda, Zelda.

I'd say that people want Nintendo to change Zelda's genre completely, but Metroid Other M practically did the same thing by making M:oM an actiom game instead of an adventure game and then people criticized that game for being too different from past Metroids, amongst other things, so who knows.

Okay, then why are Halo and Killzone still shooters? CoD is from last generation too, and it's still a shooter. I'm surprised they didn't transform to SHMUPs by now. GTA and MGS still play the same, yet they're the best games ever. Did I forget Gran Turismo? The only reason Zelda is expected to change completely, is because Nintendo actually bothers making considerable changes. People end up liking these changes and thus they want even more. If all the games played the exact same way, and we never got anything like Majora's Mask, Wind Waker, Skyward Sword or any of the handheld games, I have a feeling people would be complaining a lot less.Eponique

GTA and MGS4 have both made COSIDERABLE changes to their franchise a lot more than what SS has done for the zelda name. And you know what, all the gta and mgs fans have been dissapointed by the changes. But I'm glad those franchises are taking steps in a different direction as opposed to sticking with conventions already stablished. The major change in SS has been a control schemechange, because the formula is still the same.

GTA4 definitely still plays the same GTA3, or the "same formula" as you like to say it. Some changes here and there, but those changes are comparable to Zelda's changes. The formula's (or "genre") still the same, but the way the game is played is different. The atmosphere is different. There's a new story. There are new puzzles and dungeouns (the bread and butter of Zelda). Even the damn art style and branding changes. Those are considerable changes. Not many franchises can claim to make the same level of changes.Eponique

[QUOTE="Eponique"]Okay, then why are Halo and Killzone still shooters? CoD is from last generation too, and it's still a shooter. I'm surprised they didn't transform to SHMUPs by now. GTA and MGS still play the same, yet they're the best games ever. Did I forget Gran Turismo? The only reason Zelda is expected to change completely, is because Nintendo actually bothers making considerable changes. People end up liking these changes and thus they want even more. If all the games played the exact same way, and we never got anything like Majora's Mask, Wind Waker, Skyward Sword or any of the handheld games, I have a feeling people would be complaining a lot less.DJ-Lafleur

I just don't know what kind of changes people expect from Zelda. It's like they want Nintendo to just drop Zelda's identity completely and for the game to be absolutely nothing like what makes Zelda, Zelda.

I'd say that people want Nintendo to change Zelda's genre completely, but Metroid Other M practically did the same thing by making M:oM an actiom game instead of an adventure game and then people criticized that game for being too different from past Metroids, amongst other things, so who knows.

The atmosphere. The puzzles. The music. The adventure of it all and exploring the world. the characters and their distinct sty1es. Everything. For what Zelda lacks in exploration to some, it more than makes up for in unique and interesting characters, a well done world, and loads of puzzles. I highly reccomend you start with Ocarina of Time or Majora's Mask though.

Twilight Princess has a slow start, be patient with it.bobcheeseball

This. So does Skyward Sword. Wind Waker does a bit, but its not bad. Ocarina of Time and Majora's mask get you right into the game, which I love. The beginning is there, but it doesn't last for hours.

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"] I'm just goingto disagree here and take my leave, and by the way, is overclocked worth a purchase if you have the original?Eponique

[QUOTE="Eponique"][QUOTE="edo-tensei"] I'm just goingto disagree here and take my leave, and by the way, is overclocked worth a purchase if you have the original?edo-tensei

[QUOTE="mems_1224"]you picked an awful zelda game to play as your first. you should play ocarina of time, link to the past or link's awakening firstx-2tha-z

[QUOTE="x-2tha-z"][QUOTE="mems_1224"]you picked an awful zelda game to play as your first. you should play ocarina of time, link to the past or link's awakening firstmems_1224

ALTTP is definitely a good place to start if you are going 2D.

[QUOTE="starjet905"][QUOTE="mmmwksil"]And nostalgia. Lots of it.mmmwksil

This is one series I'm not scared to say owes more than its fair share of success to the stuff. :P

[QUOTE="mmmwksil"]

[QUOTE="starjet905"]Ah, I thought this might be it. :?hensothor

This is one series I'm not scared to say owes more than its fair share of success to the stuff. :P

[QUOTE="x-2tha-z"][QUOTE="mems_1224"]you picked an awful zelda game to play as your first. you should play ocarina of time, link to the past or link's awakening firstmems_1224

I could understand how one could think TP is the worst 3D Zelda, but worst in the series? lol no.

I'd play TP over Zelda II, Phantom Hourglass, Spirit Tracks, or Minish Cap in a heartbeat.

What I would like someone to explain to me is this: if Zelda is in such desperate need of change and is outdated, why has no other company or series been able to replicate the same formula with anywhere the same amount of success? I enjoy Zelda so much because how well the dungeons are designed, and the balance of exploration, combat and puzzle solving it strikes throughout the entirety of the game. Very few other series even attempted to design levels (or games in general) in the same way at all. The closest we've seen is Okami, and while that has an identity of its own the level design and combat doesn't really compare.

If you're not in to this kind of game design that's fine, but the way people talk about the series it's almost as if there's plenty of other series out there that have the Zelda franchise beat 10 times over at it's own game; but I can't think of a single example?

What I would like someone to explain to me is this: if Zelda is in such desperate need of change and is outdated, why has no other company or series been able to replicate the same formula with anywhere the same amount of success? I enjoy Zelda so much because how well the dungeons are designed, and the balance of exploration, combat and puzzle solving it strikes throughout the entirety of the game. Very few other series even attempted to design levels (or games in general) in the same way at all. The closest we've seen is Okami, and while that has an identity of its own the level design and combat doesn't really compare.

If you're not in to this kind of game design that's fine, but the way people talk about the series it's almost as if there's plenty of other series out there that have the Zelda franchise beat 10 times over at it's own game; but I can't think of a single example?

_BlueDuck_

Anything that doesn't have voice acting, gore, boobs, online modes and story twists is automatically outdated.

[QUOTE="hensothor"][QUOTE="mmmwksil"]

This is one series I'm not scared to say owes more than its fair share of success to the stuff. :P

chilly-chill

As much cash as they made off of Zelda, one would think they would have been able to afford to hire a voiceover actor for Link.:lol:topsemag55

Or maybe its a creative decision? Zelda games don't need voice acting.

The series is pretty much in it's own genre, and to say it's outdated doesn't really make sense. Every game is unique in it's own way, and Skyward Sword did some great, unique things. I don't expect the next Zelda game to be much like it either.

What I would like someone to explain to me is this: if Zelda is in such desperate need of change and is outdated, why has no other company or series been able to replicate the same formula with anywhere the same amount of success? I enjoy Zelda so much because how well the dungeons are designed, and the balance of exploration, combat and puzzle solving it strikes throughout the entirety of the game. Very few other series even attempted to design levels (or games in general) in the same way at all. The closest we've seen is Okami, and while that has an identity of its own the level design and combat doesn't really compare.

If you're not in to this kind of game design that's fine, but the way people talk about the series it's almost as if there's plenty of other series out there that have the Zelda franchise beat 10 times over at it's own game; but I can't think of a single example?

_BlueDuck_

The series is pretty much in it's own genre

princemarth23

And it didn't use to be that way. Before Okami, there were quite a few adventure games on the Sega Genesis and other 16 and 8 bit platforms. Hell, you could say that Sould Reaver and Blood Omen: Legacy of Kain were competing with Zelda. Sadly, teens have this tendency to cry out for homogenization while thinking that they are being so rebellious. If anything differs from what they think is, like, "totally epic, bro" they say it's outdated, teh kiddie and teh sux0rz.

... And then they want video games to be recognized as a form of art. Yes, because that "IF I WANTED TO READ ID READ A BOOK AND I DONT READ BOOKS LOLOL" attitude is totally gonna get them there.

[QUOTE="_BlueDuck_"]

What I would like someone to explain to me is this: if Zelda is in such desperate need of change and is outdated, why has no other company or series been able to replicate the same formula with anywhere the same amount of success? I enjoy Zelda so much because how well the dungeons are designed, and the balance of exploration, combat and puzzle solving it strikes throughout the entirety of the game. Very few other series even attempted to design levels (or games in general) in the same way at all. The closest we've seen is Okami, and while that has an identity of its own the level design and combat doesn't really compare.

If you're not in to this kind of game design that's fine, but the way people talk about the series it's almost as if there's plenty of other series out there that have the Zelda franchise beat 10 times over at it's own game; but I can't think of a single example?

meetroid8

They are puzzle games that are extremely well designed. You get items which allow you to solve puzzles to open up new paths basically. They also offer a huge interlocking and believable world to escape to and in the case of Wind Waker one of the greatest stories in video game history.

[QUOTE="_BlueDuck_"]

What I would like someone to explain to me is this: if Zelda is in such desperate need of change and is outdated, why has no other company or series been able to replicate the same formula with anywhere the same amount of success? I enjoy Zelda so much because how well the dungeons are designed, and the balance of exploration, combat and puzzle solving it strikes throughout the entirety of the game. Very few other series even attempted to design levels (or games in general) in the same way at all. The closest we've seen is Okami, and while that has an identity of its own the level design and combat doesn't really compare.

If you're not in to this kind of game design that's fine, but the way people talk about the series it's almost as if there's plenty of other series out there that have the Zelda franchise beat 10 times over at it's own game; but I can't think of a single example?

meetroid8

I'm fine with ranking Okami up there with Zelda, and Okami did quite a few really good things and actually made its own identity instead of being a straight up Zelda clone like Darksiders.

But from what I remember there was very little that Okami did in terms of design that wasn't already accomplished with Zelda since it went 3D on the N64.

Regardless though, does this mean Okami is also horribly outdated?

Things I love about Zelda:

Story

Theme (guy with sword and shield saves world)

DUNGEONS

Music

Design

[QUOTE="Tikeio"]

I have no clue.

I've tried every main Zelda game, and dropped them all except Wind Waker.

I might finish Twilight Princess, Skyward Sword and OOT at one point, but it won't be anytime soon.

Johnny_Rock

You just mentioned the best game of all time (OOT). Go play it through. You will NOT be disappointed.

[QUOTE="Johnny_Rock"]

[QUOTE="Tikeio"]

I have no clue.

I've tried every main Zelda game, and dropped them all except Wind Waker.

I might finish Twilight Princess, Skyward Sword and OOT at one point, but it won't be anytime soon.

Mozelleple112

You just mentioned the best game of all time (OOT). Go play it through. You will NOT be disappointed.

Things I love about Zelda:

Story

Theme (guy with sword and shield saves world)

DUNGEONS

Music

Design

J-man45

Pretty much this for me as well.

Well, you haven't reached the first dungeon yet... if you're new to zelda and really want to get hooked. TP is definitely the game to go with.

[QUOTE="topsemag55"]As much cash as they made off of Zelda, one would think they would have been able to afford to hire a voiceover actor for Link.:lol:princemarth23

Or maybe its a creative decision? Zelda games don't need voice acting.

The series is pretty much in it's own genre, and to say it's outdated doesn't really make sense. Every game is unique in it's own way, and Skyward Sword did some great, unique things. I don't expect the next Zelda game to be much like it either.

[QUOTE="meetroid8"][QUOTE="_BlueDuck_"]

What I would like someone to explain to me is this: if Zelda is in such desperate need of change and is outdated, why has no other company or series been able to replicate the same formula with anywhere the same amount of success? I enjoy Zelda so much because how well the dungeons are designed, and the balance of exploration, combat and puzzle solving it strikes throughout the entirety of the game. Very few other series even attempted to design levels (or games in general) in the same way at all. The closest we've seen is Okami, and while that has an identity of its own the level design and combat doesn't really compare.

If you're not in to this kind of game design that's fine, but the way people talk about the series it's almost as if there's plenty of other series out there that have the Zelda franchise beat 10 times over at it's own game; but I can't think of a single example?

_BlueDuck_

I'm fine with ranking Okami up there with Zelda, and Okami did quite a few really good things and actually made its own identity instead of being a straight up Zelda clone like Darksiders.

But from what I remember there was very little that Okami did in terms of design that wasn't already accomplished with Zelda since it went 3D on the N64.

Regardless though, does this mean Okami is also horribly outdated?

Okami is way too easy and the puzzles aren't nearly as clever as Zelda. With that said, it's a really cool game and I love the art style and charm . It's pretty fun too, just not on the same level as Zelda.

[QUOTE="princemarth23"]

[QUOTE="topsemag55"]As much cash as they made off of Zelda, one would think they would have been able to afford to hire a voiceover actor for Link.:lol:WarTornRuston

Or maybe its a creative decision? Zelda games don't need voice acting.

The series is pretty much in it's own genre, and to say it's outdated doesn't really make sense. Every game is unique in it's own way, and Skyward Sword did some great, unique things. I don't expect the next Zelda game to be much like it either.

You can't compare the two games. Plenty of games have no voice acting and are fine without it. Some games are better with it, and others just don't need it.