Whats the better deal? A PS3 and 360 for 600, or a 600 Gaming PC?

ok, but then he could add all the ps1, ps2 and xbox games onto his list..... Still may not be completely even. Also, going back 15 years and digging up old games may cause a problem with compatibility issues. Just sayin.

h575309

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]

I'm at my 19"monitor right now. A 1440x900 shot isn't that much higher from 1280x720 anyway. Standby.....

i5750at4Ghz

Not much, but it'll still look great. You know, because apparently playing at that rez on a PC monitor would look awful :roll:

:lol:

It depends on the monitor yes, but it'll still look great.

[QUOTE="h575309"]

ok, but then he could add all the ps1, ps2 and xbox games onto his list..... Still may not be completely even. Also, going back 15 years and digging up old games may cause a problem with compatibility issues. Just sayin.

foxhound_fox

Meh, if thats how you want to play it. Simply if you had bought a 360 and ps3 at launch you would be able to play a ton of ps1, ps2 and xbox games. Thats going back nearly 15 years, and theres a ton of quality games there too. Not to mention if you had bought a $1000 PC at the beginning of this gen, it would be struggling at the moment to play current games well.

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]

I'm probably one of the few PC gamers here who play on both a lowly 19" monitor (1440x900 res) and an even more lowly(?) 32" 720p HDTV (1280x768 res). Crysis plays and looks fine on both with the 5770.

jun_aka_pekto

If possible you should post a screenie at that rez. Maybe it'll stop TC from flapping his gums.

I'm at my 19"monitor right now. A 1440x900 shot isn't that much higher from 1280x720 anyway. Standby.....

1280x720 windowed. Right Click, View for full size.

Some more coming.

That looks awful, please add some 4xAA at least.

Not too bad, actually. I have such a machine and it can still play ME2 on full settings. Not Crysis, of course, but we are comparing to consoles, so it's not like the bar is set super-high.

[QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

That looks awful, please add some 4xAA at least.

GioVela2010

Looks great to me, and probably everyone else on this board. Oh but wait, it flies in the face of your theory.

:lol:

This one:

[QUOTE="NVIDIATI"]

So I guess NO PC aside from ones with a 5970 can max Crysis because we have to run it at 2560x1600 8xAA :roll: Maxing Crysis at the 1280x720 to1440x900 is what the 5770 can do silky smooth.

GioVela2010

Crysis is unplayable at those resolutions when sitting 2 feet away from a 17" screen.

lets define "maxing out crysis".

1920x1080/1920x1200
4xAA
very high (every setting)
60 FPS. or at least never going below 30 NO MATTER WHAT. no stuttering whatsoever (which happens to me constantly).

I would wager that that $600 pc cannot do that.

here is crysis warhead on high, not even very high. with more ram and a better CPU than this $600 one.

lespaul1919

On top of that, you are using both consoles against one. Not really surprising they won.

lundy86_4

Look at the thread title, what should he use? He isn't the TC either.

Here's a couple at 1440x900, vanilla Crysis:

One's Very High, the other's at High. Right Click, View for full size:

[QUOTE="lespaul1919"]

lets define "maxing out crysis".

1920x1080/1920x1200
4xAA
very high (every setting)
60 FPS. or at least never going below 30 NO MATTER WHAT. no stuttering whatsoever (which happens to me constantly).

I would wager that that $600 pc cannot do that.

here is crysis warhead on high, not even very high. with more ram and a better CPU than this $600 one.

Silenthps

Also, one other point. I think a more fair comparison would be to start from the beginning of this console gen (Nov 2005), and use those console prices to determine the PC price.

So the

360 - $399

PS3 - $599

is $1000 dollars. Now how would a $1000 PC from 2005 fare now?

h575309

not so hot, on one now actually haha. well, it was $1500 and 2006 I think. C2D E6300 @ 2.8, 7900GTO, and 2GB ram. pretty much struggles with anything anymore. I spent more on that graphics card than I did my 360. I must say the 360 has held up better.

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

On top of that, you are using both consoles against one. Not really surprising they won.

Hahadouken

Look at the thread title, what should he use? He isn't the TC either.

Never said he was the TC. Never said he should use anything else.

Just said he is using 2 consoles against one, and it's not a surprise that the PC lost.

[QUOTE="GioVela2010"]PC:

1. Crysis 9.5
2. World in Conlflict 9.5
3. World of Warcraft Burning Crusaid 9.2 (expansion needs standalone game)
4. Galactic Civilization II: Dark Avatar 9.1 (Expansion needs standalone)
5. The Sims 3 9
6. World of Warcraft: Wrath of Lich King 9 (expansion needs standalone)
7. Crysis Warhead 9
8. Galacgic Civilization II: Twilight of the Arnor 9 (expansion needs standalone)
9. Sins of a Solar Empire 9
10. GTR2 9
11. Company of Heroes 9
12. Galacgic Civilizations II: Dream Lords

foxhound_fox

yeah alot of my favorite games only scored AA here on GS doesn't stop me fromm enjoying them at the end of the day a score is just a number and won't effect how much i enjoy a game.

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"][QUOTE="MangaJ"]

You're being funny, right?

GioVela2010

opinions, everybody has some

[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"][QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

Not much, but it'll still look great. You know, because apparently playing at that rez on a PC monitor would look awful :roll:

:lol:

lundy86_4

It depends on the monitor yes, but it'll still look great.

It looks great on the 32" 720p TV. Of course, that may just be me overwhelmed by the size of the picture. Either way, I'm satisfied with the performance of the 5770 especially for most other games.

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"] Depends completely on the monitor.jun_aka_pekto

It depends on the monitor yes, but it'll still look great.

It looks great on the 32" 720p TV. Of course, that may just be me overwhelmed by the size of the picture. Either way, I'm satisfied with the performance of the 5770 especially for most other games.

Quite a few posters use their TV's as well as monitors on this forum. My brother runs Crysis using a 720p TV and it looks great.

The 5770 is a great card.

[QUOTE="Silenthps"]

[QUOTE="lespaul1919"] [QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"]

[QUOTE="Silenthps"]

[QUOTE="lespaul1919"]

lets define "maxing out crysis".

1920x1080/1920x1200
4xAA
very high (every setting)
60 FPS. or at least never going below 30 NO MATTER WHAT. no stuttering whatsoever (which happens to me constantly).

I would wager that that $600 pc cannot do that.

here is crysis warhead on high, not even very high. with more ram and a better CPU than this $600 one.

i5750at4Ghz

[QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

It depends on the monitor yes, but it'll still look great.

lundy86_4

It looks great on the 32" 720p TV. Of course, that may just be me overwhelmed by the size of the picture. Either way, I'm satisfied with the performance of the 5770 especially for most other games.

Quite a few posters use their TV's as well as monitors on this forum. My brother runs Crysis using a 720p TV and it looks great.

The 5770 is a great card.

[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"]

[QUOTE="Silenthps"] actually shaders at very high + everything else high... is pretty much the same as very high. If everything else was cranked to vhigh, there would be like a 2-5fps difference. Also, the Ice levels in Crysis gives you much lower framerates than the jungle portions. And 1200p @ 4xAA is unreasonably high.

Silenthps

why not just buy one console and use the other half for games and not another console?!...70% of the good games that r out u can get for both systems. check out which system appeals to u more...then check out the ps3's and 360's library...c wut u like better exclusive wise.

that sounds like a better invesment to me

why not just buy one console and use the other half for games and not another console?!...70% of the good games that r out u can get for both systems. check out which system appeals to u more...then check out the ps3's and 360's library...c wut u like better exclusive wise.

that sounds like a better invesment to me

hyper_trunkx

That would turn this thread into a cow/lemming thread and squeeze the hermits out of the discussion since the PC is common to both. :D

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]

It looks great on the 32" 720p TV. Of course, that may just be me overwhelmed by the size of the picture. Either way, I'm satisfied with the performance of the 5770 especially for most other games.

i5750at4Ghz

Quite a few posters use their TV's as well as monitors on this forum. My brother runs Crysis using a 720p TV and it looks great.

The 5770 is a great card.

5770 is a gimmick card. For the same price you can get a 4890 and play games much better. Not like the 5770 can play dx11 games worth a crap anyway.i5750at4Ghz

I thought the HD 4890 is still at least US $200 with some up to US $250.

if you are going to get a 5xxx series card, might as well go for the 5850 if not the 5870.

5770 is a gimmick card. For the same price you can get a 4890 and play games much better. Not like the 5770 can play dx11 games worth a crap anyway.i5750at4Ghz

The 5770 is actually cheaper in Canada and performs very well in game benchmarks. What may be a gimmick to you is a solid card to other people.

if you are going to get a 5xxx series card, might as well go for the 5850 if not the 5870.

lespaul1919

Performance wise yes, but the 5770 is a great budget card no matter how you look at it. 5850 runs for over $300 in Canada, and you can get a 5770 for $150.

it really depends on what card you have before. take me for example.....4850, there is NO reason for me to even look at a 5770 because it is hardly better than what I have now. but honestly, I don't see any dx11 cards that make me want to upgrade just yet. maybe if they do a 5890 at a reasonable price.

I'm happy with my PC, my 360 and now my PS3 :D shame the ps3 is broken though :(

it really depends on what card you have before. take me for example.....4850, there is NO reason for me to even look at a 5770 because it is hardly better than what I have now. but honestly, I don't see any dx11 cards that make me want to upgrade just yet. maybe if they do a 5890 at a reasonable price.

lespaul1919

Very true. I will be upgrading from the 4870 to the GTX 480 more than likely, as it offers enough performance for me to warrant doing so.

However, it's doubtful people with a sufficient gaming rig would build a budget gaming rig, unless their current one has decreased in performance so bad that the budget would outperform.

If you're building a computer now, might as well get a 5830 at the least.

My choice would be the 5830 PCS+ from PowerColor, it's slightly overclocked and has great cooling.

Runs 22c degrees cooler than a 5770, and is obviously more powerful too.

$219 after rebate, no taxes and free shipping.

www.zipzoomfly.com

I don't get the obsession with the 5770

I don't get the obsession with the 5770

GioVela2010

It's designed and aimed at people building on a limited budget and/or for companies looking at putting a cheap, but reasonably powerful card into their systems.

I don't get the obsession with the 5770

GioVela2010

I get the obsession with the 5970.

[QUOTE="GioVela2010"]

I don't get the obsession with the 5770

lundy86_4

It's designed and aimed at people building on a limited budget and/or for companies looking at putting a cheap, but reasonably powerful card into their systems.

Ok, but people here are pretend building a $500 dollar PC that includes the 5770, might as well spend the extra $70 and get the 5830 and still be under the $600 dollar budget.

As for me, noise is a huge concern, as is temperatures. That's why I'd never build a Gaming PC with cheap and loud fans, and poor cooling.

http://www.comet.co.uk/shopcomet/product.do?sku=623423

without a pc console gamers shop in stores.... $76 for a game....OMG WHAT AN INSANE DEAL!!!!! Consoles ARE SOOO CHEAP!!!! (or you can legally steal from the devs by buying used games) ;)

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="GioVela2010"]

I don't get the obsession with the 5770

GioVela2010

It's designed and aimed at people building on a limited budget and/or for companies looking at putting a cheap, but reasonably powerful card into their systems.

Ok, but people here are pretend building a $500 dollar PC that includes the 5770, might as well spend the extra $70 and get the 5830 and still be under the $600 dollar budget.

As for me, noise is a huge concern, as is temperatures. That's why I'd never build a Gaming PC with cheap and loud fans, and poor cooling.

Idle temperatures in the 40s? With my Antec 900 the temperatures are 34 degrees C idle. The 5770 is a good card for the price - if you want to pay more for a 58xx, you can. But the 5770 has a good mix of performance, price and power consumption.

Plus, just to distract from my part in this blatant thread hijack, gaming PC :P.

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="GioVela2010"]

I don't get the obsession with the 5770

GioVela2010

It's designed and aimed at people building on a limited budget and/or for companies looking at putting a cheap, but reasonably powerful card into their systems.

Ok, but people here are pretend building a $500 dollar PC that includes the 5770, might as well spend the extra $70 and get the 5830 and still be under the $600 dollar budget.

As for me, noise is a huge concern, as is temperatures. That's why I'd never build a Gaming PC with cheap and loud fans, and poor cooling.

5770 is a gimmick card. For the same price you can get a 4890 and play games much better. Not like the 5770 can play dx11 games worth a crap anyway.i5750at4Ghz

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aFjePq9vks

A PS3 with $300 worth of games and pre-orders (Red Dead Redemption, Gran Turismo 5) the pc is just plain boring and crappy, 360 is just plain dissapointing

Jus wondering why the idle temp of the Sapphire 5770 on the graph is 47C while mine right here is at 41C as of now. When I played and benchmarked Crysis using the MadBoris front end, the load temp was 62C. Everything is set at auto. I keep things as low-maintenance as possible.

Anyway, using Dirt2's Demo's benchmarking tool

1440x900, 2xMSAA

Avg FPS Ultra: 42

Avg FPS High (default): 54 (60 if I set the Catalyst CC to Optimal Performance)

I haven't tested it at 720p.

also, I forgot to mention, 5770's play Dx11 games just fine...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aFjePq9vks

Silenthps

forgot how demanding RACING games are :lol:

[QUOTE="Silenthps"]

also, I forgot to mention, 5770's play Dx11 games just fine...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aFjePq9vks

lespaul1919

forgot how demanding RACING games are :lol:

Jus wondering why the idle temp of the Sapphire 5770 on the graph is 47C while mine right here is at 41C as of now. When I played and benchmarked Crysis using the MadBoris front end, the load temp was 62C. Everything is set at auto. I keep things as low-maintenance as possible.

Anyway, using Dirt2's Demo's benchmarking tool

1440x900, 2xMSAA

Avg FPS Ultra: 42

Avg FPS High (default): 54 (60 if I set the Catalyst CC to Optimal Performance)

I haven't tested it at 720p.

jun_aka_pekto

"To measure core GPU temperature, we used the hardware monitoring program in RivaTuner 2.24. The idle temperature was taken after leaving nothing running, on Vista's desktop, for a minute. The load temperature was taken after a few hours of rurnning OCCT.

I was very pleased with how cool the PowerColor HD 5830 PCS+ ran. That cooler must have been extremely powerful, because even after a few hours of OCCT the card stayed at or below 55C. Not too shabby!

[QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]

Jus wondering why the idle temp of the Sapphire 5770 on the graph is 47C while mine right here is at 41C as of now. When I played and benchmarked Crysis using the MadBoris front end, the load temp was 62C. Everything is set at auto. I keep things as low-maintenance as possible.

Anyway, using Dirt2's Demo's benchmarking tool

1440x900, 2xMSAA

Avg FPS Ultra: 42

Avg FPS High (default): 54 (60 if I set the Catalyst CC to Optimal Performance)

I haven't tested it at 720p.

GioVela2010

"To measure core GPU temperature, we used the hardware monitoring program in RivaTuner 2.24. The idle temperature was taken after leaving nothing running, on Vista's desktop, for a minute. The load temperature was taken after a few hours of rurnning OCCT.

I was very pleased with how cool the PowerColor HD 5830 PCS+ ran. That cooler must have been extremely powerful, because even after a few hours of OCCT the card stayed at or below 55C. Not too shabby!

"To measure core GPU temperature, we used the hardware monitoring program in RivaTuner 2.24. The idle temperature was taken after leaving nothing running, on Vista's desktop, for a minute. The load temperature was taken after a few hours of rurnning OCCT.

I was very pleased with how cool the PowerColor HD 5830 PCS+ ran. That cooler must have been extremely powerful, because even after a few hours of OCCT the card stayed at or below 55C. Not too shabby!

GioVela2010

Ah, Ok. That's why...