Whats the better deal? A PS3 and 360 for 600, or a 600 Gaming PC?

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#551 Arach666
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[QUOTE="True_Gamer_"]

[QUOTE="theseekar"]

But with consoles you can play all major PC games, while with a PC you can play almost none of console major exlusives

And you definatly miss on the below !!!!

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theseekar

You can play PC exclusives on consoles?

All major ones, even those that were the last stand like Witcher are coming

Crysis 2

Witcher 2

Risen

Gothic 4

Venetica

Two Worlds 2

Divinity 2

Metro

etc etc

The major ones?

So,how can you play these on the consoles?

Crysis

Crysis Warhead

World in Conflict

Company of Heroes

Empire Total War

Civilization 4

Napoleon Total War

ARMA 2

World of Warcraft

Sins of a Solar Empire

Dawn of War 2

Galactic Civilizations 2

The Sims 3

The Witcher

Comand & Conquer 4

Fligth Simulator X

GTR-2

STALKER SoC

STALKER CS

STALKER CoP

Cryostasis

Supreme Commander

Hearts of Iron 3

Anno 1404

Demigod

Spore

Machinarium

Torchligth

Aion

FM 2010

Spellforce 2

Heroes of Migth and magic V

Neverwinter Nigths 2

Titan Quest

Europa Universalis 3

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...and guess what,this is current gen ONLY,and I´m missing quite a few...

And the upcoming Civilization V,Starcraft 2,Diablo 3,ARMA 2: Operation Arrowhead,Star Wars: The Old Republic,etc...

Damn,and I´ve only mentioned the major ones...

So,I guess all of those are coming to the consoles as well?

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#552 MFDOOM1983
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^^ Pc gaming is in a sadder state then i originally thought.:?

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#553 lundy86_4
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^^ Pc gaming is in a sadder state then i originally thought.:?

MFDOOM1983

Based on your taste in games?

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#554 MFDOOM1983
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[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"]

^^ Pc gaming is in a sadder state then i originally thought.:?

lundy86_4

Based on your taste in games?

Almost 5 years into current gen consoles and only managing 30 or so "worthwhile" exclusives padded with terrible rts's and niche sims.:?

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[QUOTE="GioVela2010"][QUOTE="Guppy507"] I find this funny as hell considering how much crap you give people on OT about proving that they own the car they post. :lol:GeneralShowzer
Are u still bitter that I drive a $50k dollar car?

Can you give proof that you own a gaming PC? I mean real proof. Something like writing your user-name on a piece of paper and taking a picture of the paper next to your PC. Because I've seen no proof. You just say you own a gaming PC. And i doubt anyone who drives a 50k car would spend most of their time on SW.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R13wSALw1Qg

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#556 MFDOOM1983
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Obviously at his friends house.:roll:

Carlos silencing the haters itt.

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#557 lundy86_4
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[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"]

^^ Pc gaming is in a sadder state then i originally thought.:?

MFDOOM1983

Based on your taste in games?

Almost 5 years into current gen consoles and only managing 30 or so "worthwhile" exclusives padded with terrible rts's and niche sims.:?

"Terrible rts's" is your taste. It's subjective. The PC has more exclusives than both the HD consoles combined.

I was right in my assumption that you were basing it on your taste in games.

Furhtermore, there's nothing wrong with niche titles. Just look at the PS3 with games like Valkyria Chronicles, Demon's Souls, and the Wii with games like Monster Hunter Tri.

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#558 MFDOOM1983
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[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"]

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

Based on your taste in games?

lundy86_4

Almost 5 years into current gen consoles and only managing 30 or so "worthwhile" exclusives padded with terrible rts's and niche sims.:?

"Terrible rts's" is your taste. It's subjective. The PC has more exclusives than both the HD consoles combined.

I was right in my assumption that you were basing it on your taste in games.

Captian obvious much? What else would i be basing that list of games on? CNC4 is a terrible rts btw;)

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#559 lundy86_4
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[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"] Almost 5 years into current gen consoles and only managing 30 or so "worthwhile" exclusives padded with terrible rts's and niche sims.:?

MFDOOM1983

"Terrible rts's" is your taste. It's subjective. The PC has more exclusives than both the HD consoles combined.

I was right in my assumption that you were basing it on your taste in games.

Captian obvious much? What else would i be basing that list of games on? CNC4 is a terrible rts btw;)

Well you made a general statement, that PC gaming was sadder than you originally thought, and based it solely on subjective criticism. Millions of people will more than likely disagree with your sentiments, and actually find PC gaming to be very worthwhile. Myself included.

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#560 Arach666
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[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"]

^^ Pc gaming is in a sadder state then i originally thought.:?

MFDOOM1983

Based on your taste in games?

Almost 5 years into current gen consoles and only managing 30 or so "worthwhile" exclusives padded with terrible rts's and niche sims.:?

Terrible RTS´s?

Then I guess World in Conflict 9.5 = terrible?

Company of Heroes 9.0 = terrible?

Galactic Civilizations 2 9.0 = terrible?

Galactic Civilizations 2 Dark Avatar 9.1 = terrible?

Sins of a Solar Empire 9.0 = terrible?

Dawn of War Dark Crusade 8.8 = terrible?

Supreme Commander 8.7 = terrible?

Dawn of War 2 8.5 = terrible?

Hearts of Iron 3 8.5 = terrible?

Sigh...

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#561 MFDOOM1983
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[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"]

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

"Terrible rts's" is your taste. It's subjective. The PC has more exclusives than both the HD consoles combined.

I was right in my assumption that you were basing it on your taste in games.

lundy86_4

Captian obvious much? What else would i be basing that list of games on? CNC4 is a terrible rts btw;)

Well you made a general statement, that PC gaming was sadder than you originally thought, and based it solely on subjective criticism. Millions of people will more than likely disagree with your sentiments, and actually find PC gaming to be very worthwhile. Myself included.

Actually i'm a huge pc gamer with 100+ titles bought and counting. But i personally feel pc gaming is at an all time low as far as high profile exclusives go.
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#562 deactivated-59d151f079814
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[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"]

Captian obvious much? What else would i be basing that list of games on? CNC4 is a terrible rts btw;)

MFDOOM1983

Well you made a general statement, that PC gaming was sadder than you originally thought, and based it solely on subjective criticism. Millions of people will more than likely disagree with your sentiments, and actually find PC gaming to be very worthwhile. Myself included.

Actually i'm a huge pc gamer with 100+ titles bought and counting. But i personally feel pc gaming is at an all time low as far as high profile exclusives go.

Then we can't take you seriously.. "High profile" exclusives are something of the console not the pc.. What consoles consider high profile (which is the next shiniest thing) only happens for the pc every few years.. And its always been that way.

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#563 Heil68
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Probably the consoles for me, then I would save up and buy a uber PC. :)
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#564 lundy86_4
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[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"]

Captian obvious much? What else would i be basing that list of games on? CNC4 is a terrible rts btw;)

MFDOOM1983

Well you made a general statement, that PC gaming was sadder than you originally thought, and based it solely on subjective criticism. Millions of people will more than likely disagree with your sentiments, and actually find PC gaming to be very worthwhile. Myself included.

Actually i'm a huge pc gamer with 100+ titles bought and counting. But i personally feel pc gaming is at an all time low as far as high profile exclusives go.

Hmmmm, I disagree at this point. I wouldn't say at an all time low, but I definately would say that the types of games have changed from what was around in the early 90's. Same could be said for all systems though, consoles included.

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#565 GioVela2010
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Obviously at his friends house.:roll:

Carlos silencing the haters itt.

MFDOOM1983
lmao, who r u? Btw watch my post be ignored now :roll:
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[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"][QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

Well you made a general statement, that PC gaming was sadder than you originally thought, and based it solely on subjective criticism. Millions of people will more than likely disagree with your sentiments, and actually find PC gaming to be very worthwhile. Myself included.

lundy86_4

Actually i'm a huge pc gamer with 100+ titles bought and counting. But i personally feel pc gaming is at an all time low as far as high profile exclusives go.

Hmmmm, I disagree at this point. I wouldn't say at an all time low, but I definately would say that the types of games have changed from what was around in the early 90's. Same could be said for all systems though, consoles included.

Very true, exclusives are going the way of the dodo.
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#567 MFDOOM1983
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[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"]

Obviously at his friends house.:roll:

Carlos silencing the haters itt.

GioVela2010

lmao, who r u? Btw watch my post be ignored now :roll:

The HD 5850 owns ;)

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#568 chansaet
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Well everybody needs a computer. So I think I'll get the computer.
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[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"] Actually i'm a huge pc gamer with 100+ titles bought and counting. But i personally feel pc gaming is at an all time low as far as high profile exclusives go.MFDOOM1983

Hmmmm, I disagree at this point. I wouldn't say at an all time low, but I definately would say that the types of games have changed from what was around in the early 90's. Same could be said for all systems though, consoles included.

Very true, exclusives are going the way of the dodo.

Yeah. Saying that though, i've had a damn site more fun with multiplats compared to exclusives this gen :P

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[QUOTE="GioVela2010"][QUOTE="Guppy507"] I find this funny as hell considering how much crap you give people on OT about proving that they own the car they post. :lol:GeneralShowzer
Are u still bitter that I drive a $50k dollar car?

Can you give proof that you own a gaming PC? I mean real proof. Something like writing your user-name on a piece of paper and taking a picture of the paper next to your PC. Because I've seen no proof. You just say you own a gaming PC. And i doubt anyone who drives a 50k car would spend most of their time on SW.

just drop it already..hes a troll.. i bet he does have that pc or maybe he doesn't..who cares..this is how he operates.. for example


I have a xbox 360 >insert proof here< and I just want say that it fails as a gaming console..this the 100% truth since I happen to own it..I speak the truth

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#571 Sins-of-Mosin
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Depends. Do you already have a PC to do 90% of what a PC is good for these days aka internet and such? Already have PC then get the consoles. No PC then get a 360 and a PC. You can wait till the PS3 is $200 and has a few more good exclusives. Bonus, games will be really cheap then. Still the con of having to acutally use the PS3's very old and small controller.
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[QUOTE="GioVela2010"][QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"]

Obviously at his friends house.:roll:

Carlos silencing the haters itt.

MFDOOM1983

lmao, who r u? Btw watch my post be ignored now :roll:

The HD 5850 owns ;)

black?
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#573 clone01
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Not at all. My car works just fine, and gets 35 MPG. 8)Guppy507
i bet it doesn't compare to my sweet ride...one that's paid for :P
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#574 clone01
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[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

Yeah. Saying that though, i've had a damn site more fun with multiplats compared to exclusives this gen :P

me too, maybe with the exception of demon's souls.
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[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"]

[QUOTE="GioVela2010"] lmao, who r u? Btw watch my post be ignored now :roll:GioVela2010

The HD 5850 owns ;)

black?

Yep
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#576 JAB991
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360/Wii or PS3/Wii. If you have to combine two systems, it's better to get the one that doesn't get multiplats but gets more exclusives instead (Wii).

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[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"][QUOTE="GioVela2010"] Are u still bitter that I drive a $50k dollar car?devious742

Can you give proof that you own a gaming PC? I mean real proof. Something like writing your user-name on a piece of paper and taking a picture of the paper next to your PC. Because I've seen no proof. You just say you own a gaming PC. And i doubt anyone who drives a 50k car would spend most of their time on SW.

just drop it already..hes a troll.. i bet he does have that pc or maybe he doesn't..who cares..this is how he operates.. for example


I have a xbox 360 >insert proof here< and I just want say that it fails as a gaming console..this the 100% truth since I happen to own it..I speak the truth

The difference is you're just saying this in spite of me, and I'm just being brutally honest.

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[QUOTE="devious742"]

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"] Can you give proof that you own a gaming PC? I mean real proof. Something like writing your user-name on a piece of paper and taking a picture of the paper next to your PC. Because I've seen no proof. You just say you own a gaming PC. And i doubt anyone who drives a 50k car would spend most of their time on SW.GioVela2010

just drop it already..hes a troll.. i bet he does have that pc or maybe he doesn't..who cares..this is how he operates.. for example


I have a xbox 360 >insert proof here< and I just want say that it fails as a gaming console..this the 100% truth since I happen to own it..I speak the truth

The difference is you're just saying this in spite of me, and I'm just being brutally honest.

Post proof that you own a gaming PC. Everyone will acknowledge that you are honest, instead of just trolling.

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[QUOTE="GioVela2010"]

[QUOTE="devious742"]just drop it already..hes a troll.. i bet he does have that pc or maybe he doesn't..who cares..this is how he operates.. for example


I have a xbox 360 >insert proof here< and I just want say that it fails as a gaming console..this the 100% truth since I happen to own it..I speak the truth

GeneralShowzer

The difference is you're just saying this in spite of me, and I'm just being brutally honest.

Post proof that you own a gaming PC. Everyone will acknowledge that you are honest, instead of just trolling.

LoL He already posted a pic of the various parts,screen cap of ati catalyst with his gs account in the background and a video showing the eXact pc in the pics. What more do you want:?

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[QUOTE="GioVela2010"]

[QUOTE="devious742"]just drop it already..hes a troll.. i bet he does have that pc or maybe he doesn't..who cares..this is how he operates.. for example


I have a xbox 360 >insert proof here< and I just want say that it fails as a gaming console..this the 100% truth since I happen to own it..I speak the truth

GeneralShowzer

The difference is you're just saying this in spite of me, and I'm just being brutally honest.

Post proof that you own a gaming PC. Everyone will acknowledge that you are honest, instead of just trolling.

he has before, but when gone over, it was discovered he doesnt know how to change settings very well and thinks that his plasma tv produces better quality than his monitor and does not want to hook his pc up to that.

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[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"]

[QUOTE="GioVela2010"] The difference is you're just saying this in spite of me, and I'm just being brutally honest.

MFDOOM1983

Post proof that you own a gaming PC. Everyone will acknowledge that you are honest, instead of just trolling.

LoL He already posted a pic of the various parts,screen cap of ati catalyst with his gs account in the background and a video showing the eXact pc in the pics. What more do you want:?

Ati catalyst? You mean the box, or the graphic card? That could mean anything. Anyway he thought that the 5870 was DX9 card, how the hell am i supposed to take him seriously. It's not enough for me. I want a picture of his user-name next to his PC.
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Definately PC, consoles don't have UT2K4, CSS, Civ4 or SC, for just 2 of those games alone i'ld go with the PC. Also there's the fact that it does much more than just games.
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[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"]

[QUOTE="GioVela2010"] The difference is you're just saying this in spite of me, and I'm just being brutally honest.

MFDOOM1983

Post proof that you own a gaming PC. Everyone will acknowledge that you are honest, instead of just trolling.

LoL He already posted a pic of the various parts,screen cap of ati catalyst with his gs account in the background and a video showing the eXact pc in the pics. What more do you want:?

Actually it was a video, so people don't cry "photoshop :cry:"

Here it is again: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R13wSALw1Qg

And if you check my videos, you can see some acceleration runs in my beastly bmw 8)

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[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"]

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"] Post proof that you own a gaming PC. Everyone will acknowledge that you are honest, instead of just trolling.

GioVela2010

LoL He already posted a pic of the various parts,screen cap of ati catalyst with his gs account in the background and a video showing the eXact pc in the pics. What more do you want:?

Actually it was a video, so people don't cry "photoshop :cry:"

Here it is again: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R13wSALw1Qg

And if you check my videos, you can see some acceleration runs in my beastly bmw 8)

My accord coupe owns that bmw trash.;)

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[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"]

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"] Post proof that you own a gaming PC. Everyone will acknowledge that you are honest, instead of just trolling.

GeneralShowzer

LoL He already posted a pic of the various parts,screen cap of ati catalyst with his gs account in the background and a video showing the eXact pc in the pics. What more do you want:?

Ati catalyst? You mean the box, or the graphic card? That could mean anything. Anyway he thought that the 5870 was DX9 card, how the hell am i supposed to take him seriously. It's not enough for me. I want a picture of his user-name next to his PC.

You know that he could just use a friend's computer and say it's his.

Or he could really own that computer and just be another person who is completely ignorant of computers.

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[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"][QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"] LoL He already posted a pic of the various parts,screen cap of ati catalyst with his gs account in the background and a video showing the eXact pc in the pics. What more do you want:?

Hakkai007

Ati catalyst? You mean the box, or the graphic card? That could mean anything. Anyway he thought that the 5870 was DX9 card, how the hell am i supposed to take him seriously. It's not enough for me. I want a picture of his user-name next to his PC.

You know that he could just use a friend's computer and say it's his.

Or he could really own that computer and just be another person who is completely ignorant of computers.

Or everything you perceive could really be a hallucination. If "anything could be a lie" is the new standard around here, then what's the point in any discussion at all?
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20 vote lead for the console gods

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#590 deactivated-5cf4b2c19c4ab
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[QUOTE="Hakkai007"]

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"] Ati catalyst? You mean the box, or the graphic card? That could mean anything. Anyway he thought that the 5870 was DX9 card, how the hell am i supposed to take him seriously. It's not enough for me. I want a picture of his user-name next to his PC.lowe0

You know that he could just use a friend's computer and say it's his.

Or he could really own that computer and just be another person who is completely ignorant of computers.

Or everything you perceive could really be a hallucination. If "anything could be a lie" is the new standard around here, then what's the point in any discussion at all?

dun dun dun......
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#591 Hakkai007
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20 vote lead for the console gods

GioVela2010

I bet most people wouldn't chose consoles once they don't have a computer at all since it's just about a necessity in life.

These people are making a vote probably think they will still have a computer at all.

And from what I see of the replies of this thread a lot and I mean a lot of people are heavily ignorant about computers.

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#592 Hakkai007
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[QUOTE="Hakkai007"]

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"] Ati catalyst? You mean the box, or the graphic card? That could mean anything. Anyway he thought that the 5870 was DX9 card, how the hell am i supposed to take him seriously. It's not enough for me. I want a picture of his user-name next to his PC.lowe0

You know that he could just use a friend's computer and say it's his.

Or he could really own that computer and just be another person who is completely ignorant of computers.

Or everything you perceive could really be a hallucination. If "anything could be a lie" is the new standard around here, then what's the point in any discussion at all?

I also gave the scenario that he does have a PC but he is just heavily ignorant.

I mean he thought one of the 5800 series cards was a directx 9 card.

He also said Crysis doesn't look good then goes on to talk about console games.

So he must be heavily ignorant or a troll or both.

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#593 Ringx55
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On the PC i can go on internet you see. Internet is very important,
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#594 benbeckman
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pc has cheaper games, better graphics, better online and plays practically everything on ps3/360 with it's own exclusves as well (stretching back over 20 years). it's not even close

edit: lmao people are actually voting ps3/360. some of you fanboy are a disgrace

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#595 GioVela2010
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My GPU is overclocked my CPU is overclocked And my memory is running at 1600mhz with 6-8-6-24 timings (xmp profile). Yet I'm clueless about computers?
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#596 i5750at4Ghz
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[QUOTE="GioVela2010"]My GPU is overclocked my CPU is overclocked And my memory is running at 1600mhz with 6-8-6-24 timings (xmp profile). Yet I'm clueless about computers?

I woudn't say clueless, just close minded. You've had your PC how long, and you're already saying its all of these negitive things. How bout you play some games awhile, then make up your mind.
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#597 Hakkai007
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My GPU is overclocked my CPU is overclocked And my memory is running at 1600mhz with 6-8-6-24 timings (xmp profile). Yet I'm clueless about computers?GioVela2010

A couple of minutes on google will teach you that, you are still ignorant or trolling or both.

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#598 devious742
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[QUOTE="devious742"]

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"] Can you give proof that you own a gaming PC? I mean real proof. Something like writing your user-name on a piece of paper and taking a picture of the paper next to your PC. Because I've seen no proof. You just say you own a gaming PC. And i doubt anyone who drives a 50k car would spend most of their time on SW.GioVela2010

just drop it already..hes a troll.. i bet he does have that pc or maybe he doesn't..who cares..this is how he operates.. for example


I have a xbox 360 >insert proof here< and I just want say that it fails as a gaming console..this the 100% truth since I happen to own it..I speak the truth

The difference is you're just saying this in spite of me, and I'm just being brutally honest.

hey who are you to say that im lying?? im being brutally honest...see what I did there??btw that was just an example of the way you are trolling

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#599 windsquid9000
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You can do more with a PC than a console regardless of how well it runs games. Personal tastes aside, it's the best deal.