What's with Western obssession of shooting games?

team america world police? :P

[QUOTE="TheEroica"]Its the same shiit its been for 20 years. Jag85

Wrong answer. WRPGs haven't evolved anymore than JRPGs have over the past 20 years.

Honestly.

Both JRPGs and WRPGs have evolved more than people give them credit for. Whether or not the changes are good or bad is subjective.

I generally liked the changes WRPGs had up to around 1997. With 1998 and up, the genre went downhill fast. That doesnt mean all changes have been for the worse, as there have been a few improvements.

JRPGs may have been stagnant for a while. But, there have been a lot of recent improvements in the genre with titles like Valkyria Chronicles, The Last Story (lol Xenoblade, imitating mmos is not how to do it) and The World Ends with You.

What is the obssession wtih Eastern style Pedo animi games. Why does every game revolve around 13 year old girls looking like tramps weilding huge swords. Why do people even watch that garbage. just saying bro

What is the obssession wtih Eastern style Pedo animi games.

Allthishate

Exactly, each side of the globe prefers their own thing.

What is it with people judging someone's gaming culture and deciding what is "right" or "wrong"? Both the West and the East are guilty of this.

Because shooters have gentle learning curves.

Western gamers tend to have short attention spans. They're scared of games with "too many" menus. They're too lazy to learn how to play more complex games like RPGs.

Everyone is in a rush, they want to know how to play a game as soon as they pick up the controller. They don't want to have to take the time to learn how to play.

GeoffZak

I thought Japanese dont like FPS cause they get motion sickness?

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Because shooters have gentle learning curves.

Western gamers tend to have short attention spans. They're scared of games with "too many" menus. They're too lazy to learn how to play more complex games like RPGs.

Everyone is in a rush, they want to know how to play a game as soon as they pick up the controller. They don't want to have to take the time to learn how to play.

SNIPER4321

[QUOTE="Jag85"]

[QUOTE="TheEroica"]Its the same shiit its been for 20 years. Maroxad

Wrong answer. WRPGs haven't evolved anymore than JRPGs have over the past 20 years.

Honestly.

Both JRPGs and WRPGs have evolved more than people give them credit for. Whether or not the changes are good or bad is subjective.

I generally liked the changes WRPGs had up to around 1997. With 1998 and up, the genre went downhill fast. That doesnt mean all changes have been for the worse, as there have been a few improvements.

JRPGs may have been stagnant for a while. But, there have been a lot of recent improvements in the genre with titles like Valkyria Chronicles, The Last Story (lol Xenoblade, imitating mmos is not how to do it) and The World Ends with You.

(I'll let you off for that Xenoblade comment though)

What's with Japanese obsession of anime-style RPGs?

Developers make what sells. Western developers make FPS and RTS because they sell in their home market. While I'm getting bored of FPS myself (no more modern warfare BF3 crap please) they can be a lot of fun. To be honest FPS were a lot more challenging when they were pc only. Rainbow Six was one of the hardest games I ever played when it came out "What do you mean I can't charge at the enemy headfirst throwing grenades because the hostages will get killed? I have to think? NOOOOOO!!!!!!":lol:

keyboard + mouse + headset/mouthpiece + Lays + gatorade = Western Gamerhippiesanta

Skyrim? Rock Band? Forza Motorsport? Madden? Need for Speed? Wipeout? Angry Birds? Little Big Planet? Motorstorm?lowe0

/thread

It's just a popular genre, just like the 2D platform back in 80s and early 90s.

I just find games like black ops and so to be very fun and tactical.. Shooting to kill is not the reason.SOLDIER5678

I think it has been forgotten what makes a great game on both sides. Any non-sports game series whose sequels make previous games in the series obsolete is garbage. I will even go so far as to say in this age of DLC sport's games should just offer yearly expansions for download for quite a bit less than $59.99. The gaming public does so seem to love getting ripped off. I think both sides are making games appeal to a lower and lower common denominator. The great games of the 80s and 90s were of varying complexities. Today's gaming are coming closer to complexity equilibrium. This sucks, to say the least. I remember when there were more than just hard-core and casual gamers, JRPGers and WRPGers. There used to be people who liked platformers, some liked beat 'em up, some liked FPSs, some liked Turn-Based RPGs, some liked action-adventure RPGS, some liked hack and slash and so on. The point is there used to be genre's to appeal to varying tastes. One example and I'll shut up. Front Mission 3 and Armored Core. Both about giant mechs. Both appealed to western and eastern games at the time. One is a turn-based strategy game with mech customizing, the other is a 3rd person shooter with mech customizing. Look at Front Mission Evolved. What's the difference now? Scarmiglionne4

I think you've hit the nail on the head with this. Video games today are becoming increasingly homogenized. There's very little variety in terms of AAA games these days. For example, before we had many different kinds of RPGs (whether action, turn-based, tactical, dungeon crawler, etc.), but nowadays it's mostly just action RPGs (even Japan is increasingly abandoning turn-based games). Before we had both simulation and arcade-style sports/racing games, but nowadays it's mostly just simulation. Before we had many different kinds of adventure games (whether text, graphic, action-adventure, visual novels, etc.), but nowadays it's mostly just action-adventure (or visual novels in Asia). Before we had many different kinds of strategy games (turn-based, grand strategy, tactical RPG, RTS, etc.) but nowadays it's mostly just RTS. Before we had many different kinds of shooters, in both 2D styles (shmup, run & gun, side-scroller, etc.) and 3D styles (rail shooter, light-gun, FPS, TPS, tactical), but nowadays most shooters are just FPS or TPS. Even stealth and survival horror games are no longer distinct genres, but they've mostly "evolved" into TPS games. Where's the variety these days?

[QUOTE="hippiesanta"] keyboard + mouse + headset/mouthpiece + Lays + gatorade = Western Gamerjg4xchamp

[QUOTE="SOLDIER5678"]I just find games like black ops and so to be very fun and tactical.. Shooting to kill is not the reason.Heirren

Open world sandbox zombie survival games are gonna be the next big thing in gaming imho.

This gen was modern warfare FPS shooters, last gen was GTA clones, 32/64-bit gen was JRPGs/3D platformers, 16-bit gen was fighters/2D platformers, 8-bit gen platformers/sidescrollers, but the next gen zombie games are gonna get huge.

Why is the east obsessed with bashing the west ? :?

Eh, likely the green eyed monster is all. :twisted:

Why is the east obsessed with bashing the west ? :?

Eh, likely the green eyed monster is all. :twisted:

SecretPolice

[QUOTE="Heirren"][QUOTE="SOLDIER5678"]I just find games like black ops and so to be very fun and tactical.. Shooting to kill is not the reason.nameless12345

Open world sandbox zombie survival games are gonna be the next big thing in gaming imho.

This gen was modern warfare FPS shooters, last gen was GTA clones, 32/64-bit gen was JRPGs/3D platformers, 16-bit gen was fighters/2D platformers, 8-bit gen platformers/sidescrollers, but the next gen zombie games are gonna get huge.

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

Why is the east obsessed with bashing the west ? :?

Eh, likely the green eyed monster is all. :twisted:

NaturalDisplay

[QUOTE="NaturalDisplay"][QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

Why is the east obsessed with bashing the west ? :?

Eh, likely the green eyed monster is all. :twisted:

SecretPolice

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

[QUOTE="NaturalDisplay"] I think its the other way around. There are more JRPG bashing threads in gamespot. You should know this by now since you have 18k posts.NaturalDisplay

But okay, I'll give ya CoD are rehashes. :P

Anyhoo, me likes some fine, fine JRPG's as this gens Lost Odyssey ranks way up there in mah book but like everything else, not so fond of crappy JRPG's. :)

Because shooters have gentle learning curves.

Western gamers tend to have short attention spans. They're scared of games with "too many" menus. They're too lazy to learn how to play more complex games like RPGs.

Everyone is in a rush, they want to know how to play a game as soon as they pick up the controller. They don't want to have to take the time to learn how to play.

GeoffZak

yeah that sounds about perfect. hit the nail on the head right here

[QUOTE="GeoffZak"]

Because shooters have gentle learning curves.

Western gamers tend to have short attention spans. They're scared of games with "too many" menus. They're too lazy to learn how to play more complex games like RPGs.

Everyone is in a rush, they want to know how to play a game as soon as they pick up the controller. They don't want to have to take the time to learn how to play.

Masenkoe

yeah that sounds about perfect. hit the nail on the head right here

[QUOTE="NaturalDisplay"][QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

Why is the east obsessed with bashing the west ? :?

Eh, likely the green eyed monster is all. :twisted:

SecretPolice

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

[QUOTE="NaturalDisplay"] I think its the other way around. There are more JRPG bashing threads in gamespot. You should know this by now since you have 18k posts.Jag85

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[QUOTE="Heirren"] Black Ops is NOT tactical. The adoption of one genre almost always happens, given each generation. I don't think fps will be the IT thing next gen.Jag85

Open world sandbox zombie survival games are gonna be the next big thing in gaming imho.

This gen was modern warfare FPS shooters, last gen was GTA clones, 32/64-bit gen was JRPGs/3D platformers, 16-bit gen was fighters/2D platformers, 8-bit gen platformers/sidescrollers, but the next gen zombie games are gonna get huge.

So to speak.

With increased console specs and better online interface, huge online-enabled worlds with a lot of interaction should be viable on the consoles.

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

[QUOTE="Jag85"] You mean action-horror games?SNIPER4321

So to speak.

With increased console specs and better online interface, huge online-enabled worlds with a lot of interaction should be viable on the consoles.

I don't understand the fascination, manshooters became boring for me a while ago. That is ok though, because I'm up to my eyeballs in WRPGs on the backlog,

Whiteblade999

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

[QUOTE="Jag85"] You mean action-horror games?SNIPER4321

So to speak.

With increased console specs and better online interface, huge online-enabled worlds with a lot of interaction should be viable on the consoles.

FPS on consoles got big when Halo came out but exploded in popularity after CoD: Modern Warfare came out.

On PC, FPS games were popular since Wolfenstein 3D & Doom.

It's a genre that was designed with the mouse and keyboard in mind.

[QUOTE="Jag85"]If that were true, then Halo wouldn't have won the best FPS poll here by a landslide... Either way, COD is bashed for being COD, not for being a Western FPS. On the other hand, games like Final Fantasy are not just bashed for being Final Fantasy, but for being a Japanese RPG.MBirdy88

No, Final Fantasy is bashed because this generation like most JRPGs have gone down hill.

Nobody cares anymore.

FPS on consoles got big when Halo came out but exploded in popularity after CoD: Modern Warfare came out.

On PC, FPS games were popular since Wolfenstein 3D & Doom.

It's a genre that was designed with the mouse and keyboard in mind.

nameless12345

They're a violent region? LOL

They're a violent region? LOL

Samus3D

Hence why they invaded the East isnt it LOL

[QUOTE="MBirdy88"][QUOTE="Jag85"]If that were true, then Halo wouldn't have won the best FPS poll here by a landslide... Either way, COD is bashed for being COD, not for being a Western FPS. On the other hand, games like Final Fantasy are not just bashed for being Final Fantasy, but for being a Japanese RPG.Jag85

No, Final Fantasy is bashed because this generation like most JRPGs have gone down hill.

Nobody cares anymore.

FPS on consoles got big when Halo came out but exploded in popularity after CoD: Modern Warfare came out.

On PC, FPS games were popular since Wolfenstein 3D & Doom.

It's a genre that was designed with the mouse and keyboard in mind.

nameless12345

Because it's the easiest way to get money in the industry, unfortunately.

Because shooters have gentle learning curves.

Western gamers tend to have short attention spans. They're scared of games with "too many" menus. They're too lazy to learn how to play more complex games like RPGs.

Everyone is in a rush, they want to know how to play a game as soon as they pick up the controller. They don't want to have to take the time to learn how to play.

GeoffZak

You're a f*cking idiot.

Please go play Tribes, Quake, Unreal, or Counter Strike and then get back to me about how all shooters have "gentle learning curves," and the people that play them are too lazy or stupid to learn how to play "complex games."

Or better yet, go play some other Western games, like StarCraft II, DOTA II, Civilization, Total War, or any of the hundreds of other complex, challenging Westen games that are out there and tell me how lazy and stupid an entire demographic is.

Making sweeping generalizations about people based on the games they play. Wow.

Because shooters have gentle learning curves.

Western gamers tend to have short attention spans. They're scared of games with "too many" menus. They're too lazy to learn how to play more complex games like RPGs.

Everyone is in a rush, they want to know how to play a game as soon as they pick up the controller. They don't want to have to take the time to learn how to play.

GeoffZak

Mate, its nothing to do with blaming. there is literally less demand because they havnt kept up. that is fact based on their lack of success this generation. Its not because its japanese, stop being so stupid.MBirdy88

Wolfenstein & Doom did not use the keyboard-and-mouse combo. It was Quake that popularized that control setup in FPS games.Jag85

Yes they did. The mouse driver had to be installed and the command to use it stated in the config.sys. I only played Wolfenstein 3D once with keyboard only and decided I needed a mouse. By the time Doom came out, the mouse was ubiquitious. I have a photo of my dorm room back in 1993. My (first DIY) PC of the time already had a mouse.

Edit: Windows 3.1 was already out for PCs. Other computers like Macs, Amigas, Ataris, Apple IIs, etc already had a mouse from the start.

[QUOTE="Jag85"]Wolfenstein & Doom did not use the keyboard-and-mouse combo. It was Quake that popularized that control setup in FPS games.jun_aka_pekto

Yes they did. The mouse driver had to be installed and the command to use it stated in the config.sys. I only played Wolfenstein 3D once with keyboard only and decided I needed a mouse. By the time Doom came out, the mouse was ubiquitious. I have a photo of my dorm room back in 1993. My (first DIY) PC of the time already had a mouse.

Edit: Windows 3.1 was already out for PCs. Other computers like Macs, Amigas, Ataris, Apple IIs, etc already had a mouse from the start.

[QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]

[QUOTE="Jag85"]Wolfenstein & Doom did not use the keyboard-and-mouse combo. It was Quake that popularized that control setup in FPS games.Jag85

Yes they did. The mouse driver had to be installed and the command to use it stated in the config.sys. I only played Wolfenstein 3D once with keyboard only and decided I needed a mouse. By the time Doom came out, the mouse was ubiquitious. I have a photo of my dorm room back in 1993. My (first DIY) PC of the time already had a mouse.

Edit: Windows 3.1 was already out for PCs. Other computers like Macs, Amigas, Ataris, Apple IIs, etc already had a mouse from the start.