What's wrong with MGS4?

the story is a mess toward the second half. at some point you just cant take the story seriously. by the ending you pretty much stop caring.

this thread hilights my complaints pretty well

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"][QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"]Because I hate where Kojima took the story and some of the **** he pulled. SionPT

Yeah i dont get it, people are never happy with anything, The guy managed to wrap up a a history with so many '?' marks, and so many details, and he pulled it off.

I mean look at MGS time line, kojima made that mostly alone, thats brilliant

Saying that MGS has too many cut scenes is like saying mario has too much platforming. Who here plays MGS for JUST the gameplay?

[QUOTE="BloodSeeker1337"][QUOTE="siLVURcross"] I thought the installs were pretty nice, gave you a nice break in between Acts.SionPT

its 2 minutes men, just like kojima said on the instaling screens: Take a break. go take a piss -.-

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"]Where to start, where to start. A) An encyclopedia of MGS without the classic MGS4 gameplay, or scenarios B) Graphics were all over the place, from great, amazing, better than Crysis, to mediocre. C) The game had 5 endings, and none of them were satisfying. D) Raiden vs Outer Haven, need i say more E)The story was by far the worst executed F) Sunny was pointless and annoying G)The gameplay didn't have good pacing, and was not what Hideo Kojima originally envisioned H)Ryan Payton I)Took away many things that made MGS3 great J) Boss Battles over-all are the worst of the series. With all that said, its one of the best games this gen in general. But its by far the worst MGS game, this should show you how great the MGS series is. The worst MGS got a ten. Ultimaspooges

You're looking at it from the wrong angle.

The pacing was not wrong, it was perfect. SOME cut-scenes are out of place (Which I admit I skip every time I play again) but the majority are well paced as the other series'

The gameplay, had great pacing.

The story was the worsed executed? Also, am I the only one that knows that nanomachines have been a topic in the MGS world since MGS2? So stop with the damage control that Hideo Kojima just "ALL OF A SUDDEN PUT NANOMACHINES TO MAKE ENDS MEET" It's been apart of the story since the begining.

The Boss battles were equally as awesome as the ones in MGS2 and MGS3. I will admit, MGS1 by far had the best boss battles.

But the Snake vs Ocelot final boss in MGS4 is one of the most epic fights in gaming history. so serious, yet so humorous.

Anyways, the storyline wasn'tconvoluted at all, the game was a fanservice and you enjoyed the previous installments you'd enjoy this one more.

The ending, not satisfying? Every Kojima game I played, I was always left... WHAT??? What happens next? Where's he going? Why did he do that? What happened to Metal Gear? How's Snake? What are nanomachines? How come he didn't die? What the hell... TELL ME MORE!

After completing MGS4 seeing snake battle ocelot to death, johnny and meryl get married, raiden reunite with his famly and Snake meeting Big Boss ofr the first time almost two decades and killing Zero then seeing Big Boss die my only reaction was *wipes tear off eye*

the story is a mess toward the second half. at some point you just cant take the story seriously. by the ending you pretty much stop caring.

this thread hilights my complaints pretty well

Saying that MGS has too many cut scenes is like saying mario has too much platforming. Who here plays MGS for JUST the gameplay?

Republican11

Where to start, where to start. A) An encyclopedia of MGS without the classic MGS4 gameplay, or scenarios B) Graphics were all over the place, from great, amazing, better than Crysis, to mediocre. C) The game had 5 endings, and none of them were satisfying. D) Raiden vs Outer Haven, need i say more E)The story was by far the worst executed F) Sunny was pointless and annoying G)The gameplay didn't have good pacing, and was not what Hideo Kojima originally envisioned H)Ryan Payton I)Took away many things that made MGS3 great J) Boss Battles over-all are the worst of the series. With all that said, its one of the best games this gen in general. But its by far the worst MGS game, this should show you how great the MGS series is. The worst MGS got a ten. Adrian_Cloud

You're looking at it from the wrong angle.

The pacing was not wrong, it was perfect. SOME cut-scenes are out of place (Which I admit I skip every time I play again) but the majority are well paced as the other series'

The gameplay, had great pacing.

The story was the worsed executed? Also, am I the only one that knows that nanomachines have been a topic in the MGS world since MGS2? So stop with the damage control that Hideo Kojima just "ALL OF A SUDDEN PUT NANOMACHINES TO MAKE ENDS MEET" It's been apart of the story since the begining.

The Boss battles were equally as awesome as the ones in MGS2 and MGS3. I will admit, MGS1 by far had the best boss battles.

But the Snake vs Ocelot final boss in MGS4 is one of the most epic fights in gaming history. so serious, yet so humorous.

Anyways, the storyline wasn'tconvoluted at all, the game was a fanservice and you enjoyed the previous installments you'd enjoy this one more.

The ending, not satisfying? Every Kojima game I played, I was always left... WHAT??? What happens next? Where's he going? Why did he do that? What happened to Metal Gear? How's Snake? What are nanomachines? How come he didn't die? What the hell... TELL ME MORE!

After completing MGS4 seeing snake battle ocelot to death, johnny and meryl get married, raiden reunite with his famly and Snake meeting Big Boss ofr the first time almost two decades and killing Zero then seeing Big Boss die my only reaction was *wipes tear off eye*

Saying that MGS has too many cut scenes is like saying mario has too much platforming. Who here plays MGS for JUST the gameplay?

Republican11

the story is a mess toward the second half. at some point you just cant take the story seriously. by the ending you pretty much stop caring.

this thread hilights my complaints pretty well

long cutscenes, not enough gameplay

Short gameplay - clunky online - awful plot & hollow lifeless characters - aggressively boring movie

Felt like the gameplay was an add-on

The replay value is so frustrating - because if you want to unlock all that ridiculous fluff you have to quit to the main menu each time you slip up & get an alert

And I still feel like I'm being very kind to this game - I came to it just really wanting to like it

Q: Whats wrong with MGS4?

A: Snake's mustache, obviously...

the story is a mess toward the second half. at some point you just cant take the story seriously. by the ending you pretty much stop caring.

this thread hilights my complaints pretty well

long cutscenes, not enough gameplay

sikanderahmed

[QUOTE="sikanderahmed"]

long cutscenes, not enough gameplay

Bread_or_Decide

yes it was

I read many disappointed comments of people after playing this game. I mean, it got 10 here, on Ign and has a a great average on Metacritic. so what didn't gamers like about MGS4? :?

aia89

[QUOTE="SamGv"]

MGS4 is one of the greatest games I have ever played.

godofwar2610

I think you take video games way too seriously. The series has always had it's excentricities. Yes even in the first. Even the original Metal Gear on the MSX had crazy boss battles and self indulgent plot. MGS4 says a lot about war, the future of war, and the passing of our genes. Bread_or_Decide

heh. well excuse me for wanting smart and engaging stories in my movies, novels, and, yes, even my videogames

I read many disappointed comments of people after playing this game. I mean, it got 10 here, on Ign and has a a great average on Metacritic. so what didn't gamers like about MGS4? :?

[QUOTE="godofwar2610"][QUOTE="SamGv"]

MGS4 is one of the greatest games I have ever played.

Brainkiller05

yeah i havent played any other MGS as wellbut i really liked MGS4, its a great game though obviously way overrated

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[QUOTE="godofwar2610"] I second this.sikanderahmed

yeah i havent played any other MGS as wellbut i really liked MGS4, its a great game though obviously way overrated

Not really sure, lack of gameplay, too convuluted a story. I've yet to try it myself.

The game itself its great, great gameplay, great graphics/art. The history in the other hand is garbage. After MGS3 you would expect something really good, considering it was the end of Solid Snake tale, in the end I was completely dissapointed.

Because people here want to play a Kojima game, under his direction, but without his touches (especially the cinematics).

[QUOTE="BloodSeeker1337"]Overrated. It's more of a movie rather than Game because of the long cut scenes. And the mandatory installs are terrible :xsiLVURcross

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[QUOTE="godofwar2610"] I second this.sikanderahmed

yeah i havent played any other MGS as wellbut i really liked MGS4, its a great game though obviously way overrated

The cutescenes. They're to long and theres to many.

its no 10 and its not better than mgs3 but its a great game. my only major gripe is with gamesopts overlooking of minor flaws and still giving out its two 10's this generation surrealnumber5

MGS4 is wayy too much like a movie than a game93soccer

MGS4 is a great game, its just haters want to hate. It has its cons but it has more pros.

MGS4 is one of the greatest games I have ever played.

SamGv

I would personally give it a 9/10. Really fun gameplay and some really long cutscenes. They were good nonetheless but after my first play through(which took 15 hours), I realized I watched more then I played.

I read many disappointed comments of people after playing this game. I mean, it got 10 here, on Ign and has a a great average on Metacritic. so what didn't gamers like about MGS4? :?

aia89

MGS4 would have been a great BluRay movie.

There was Little Gameplay but a whole lot of Movie.

although I enjoyed the game but that's because I played all the Solid games up to that point. a Perfect Closure.

its exclusive so its gets lots of hate from people who havent even played it

2 flaws long cut scenes and sometimes the story can be a little confusing.

MGS4 is wayy too much like a movie than a game93soccer

[QUOTE="SamGv"]

MGS4 is one of the greatest games I have ever played.

AgentA-Mi6

To all of those who say it has no/way too little gameplay:

The Gameplay in MGS4 is about twice as much/long as cod4, mw2, waw, halo3, fable 2, odst, uncharted 1, god of war 1, god of war 2, Killzone 2, heavenly sword etc...

but MGS4 also features an extra 9 hours to tell its perfect story.

the game is everything an MGS fan didn't want. for one, you actually get to buy you're weapons. that's garbage. i liked scavenging the battlefield in MGS1-3 for a crappy pistol, and then use that pistol for the majority of the game. now i have a portable gun shop with me and can buy 550 rounds of M4 ammo. it takes away from the "survival" aspect. also, there's only 4 hours of gameplay, and only the first 2 acts are good. the act where you're in europe and have to trail that guy was absolutely horrible. the final act was especially bad. the game did have some epic moments though. the fight with ocelot in the end, the microwave crawling scene, and... thats about it.

MGS3 is the best MGS without a shadow of a doubt.

To all of those who say it has no/way too little gameplay:

The Gameplay in MGS4 is about twice as much/long as cod4, mw2, waw, halo3, fable 2, odst, uncharted 1, god of war 1, god of war 2, Killzone 2, heavenly sword etc...

but MGS4 also features an extra 9 hours to tell its perfect story.

Ultimaspooges

2 flaws long cut scenes and sometimes the story can be a little confusing.

chocolate1325

While I not think MGS4 was a bad game Idid find the story was weak compared to the other MGS games. It wasway to melodramatic and convoluted even for a MGS game. Then we haveCH.3? Come on now lol and Kojima and Murata tries to hard to make sense of everything and the end results aren't that great, also a lot of the story elements felt rushed, Raiden even as a cyborg ninja is still a lame scene kid)