When comparing 360 vs PS3 why do pc games count?

you cant exclude the PC its a gaming system.

the PS3 on its own has better exclusives than 360. exclusives are made better on PS3 like how uncharted2 is console graphics king. PS3 exclusives arent on PC.

for multiplats some are better on PS3 and some are better on 360. for as far as exclusives PS3 is where its at

It makes no sense to me, when we get a pc/360 multiplat cows spin a 360 positive into a neutral/negative, saying it makes no difference to the ps3 because the pc version is superior anyway, so we will get it for that system instead. Ok fair enough, that is understandable.

Yet, when we get a pc/360/ps3 multiplat they buy it for the PS3! even though 95% of the time the ps3 version is not only inferior to the pc version, but also the 360s!

What kind of backwards BS logic is this? Cows need to stick to one or the other, don't switch it when it suits you best.

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[QUOTE="sillaris"] its just that you cant stand the fact that the majority of 360 exclusives are on PC. with a gaming PC and a PS3 theres no reason to buy a 360. thats what you hateDanm_999

And you completely missed the point of my argument. "with BOTH a PC and PS3 there's no reason to buy a 360". Just why is it PS3 can't compete against 360s library on its own??

you cant exclude the PC its a gaming system.

the PS3 on its own has better exclusives than 360. exclusives are made better on PS3 like how uncharted2 is console graphics king. PS3 exclusives arent on PC

sillaris

Lemmings do not exploit it when comparing overall libraries. lespaul00

Surely you jest.

From '360/PC' exclusives, to 'Microsoft exclusives', Lemmings are just as guilty of creating fiction that attempts to use the PC to ameliorate the weaknesses in their own libraries.

A lemming can say, "These are my games I can play on my system and you cannot play them on your PS3." That is it. Raving cows will come into the thread and say that they can play some of those games on the PC. That is hiding behind the PC. The only time I see lemmings hid behind the PC is when they are arguing exclusives. Of course, they are wrong when they do.lespaul00

Yet this is what happens most of the time.

[QUOTE="sillaris"]

you cant exclude the PC its a gaming system.

the PS3 on its own has better exclusives than 360. exclusives are made better on PS3 like how uncharted2 is console graphics king. PS3 exclusives arent on PC

lespaul00

[QUOTE="lespaul00"]Lemmings do not exploit it when comparing overall libraries. Danm_999

Surely you jest.

From '360/PC' exclusives, to 'Microsoft exclusives', Lemmings are just as guilty of creating fiction that attempts to use the PC to ameliorate the weaknesses in their own libraries.

A lemming can say, "These are my games I can play on my system and you cannot play them on your PS3." That is it. Raving cows will come into the thread and say that they can play some of those games on the PC. That is hiding behind the PC. The only time I see lemmings hid behind the PC is when they are arguing exclusives. Of course, they are wrong when they do.lespaul00

Yet this is what happens most of the time.

[QUOTE="lespaul00"][QUOTE="sillaris"]

you cant exclude the PC its a gaming system.

the PS3 on its own has better exclusives than 360. exclusives are made better on PS3 like how uncharted2 is console graphics king. PS3 exclusives arent on PC

sillaris

Maybe ythe people that don't want to buy a gaming PC or use their PC's for gaming?

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

[QUOTE="sillaris"] its just that you cant stand the fact that the majority of 360 exclusives are on PC. with a gaming PC and a PS3 theres no reason to buy a 360. thats what you hatelespaul00

And you completely missed the point of my argument. "with BOTH a PC and PS3 there's no reason to buy a 360". Just why is it PS3 can't compete against 360s library on its own??

In my opinion it does compete against the 360 on it's own. That's why fanboys want to include PC games to further their cause. I like the PS3 library over the 360's even if we had to include what is on the PC.

In terms of PC, it always wins. I can't play Crysis/Empire:total war/etc on any other platform. I bought Mass effect on PC. All myRTS games are bought on PC.

It's just fair game to include PC as an exclusive platform.

Also when people talk about paying extra money to upgrade their PC, it's as much of an investment into gaming as buying a console so I don't see what the difference is. People buy new consoles every 6-8 years to UPGRADE , just like I'll upgrade my PC every 5-6 years to play the latest games.

Is it for everyone, No but it's a choice

[QUOTE="lespaul00"] I said they do not exploit it when comparing overall libraries. There is nothing to exploit there. They only exploit it when comparing exclusives. And they are wrong when they do.Danm_999

But blind fanboyism makes the SW world go around....

you cant exclude the PC its a gaming system.

the PS3 on its own has better exclusives than 360. exclusives are made better on PS3 like how uncharted2 is console graphics king. PS3 exclusives arent on PC

[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="lespaul00"] I said they do not exploit it when comparing overall libraries. There is nothing to exploit there. They only exploit it when comparing exclusives. And they are wrong when they do.MizFitAwesome

But blind fanboyism makes the SW world go around....

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I'll always have a PC in my life .... I'll be able to play those PC games (some now , some later).

dsmccracken

[QUOTE="lespaul00"] Unfortunately that is true. Again, it is the raving fanboys that do this anyway, on both fronts. Overall, it is hard to deny what the PC brings to the table. Danm_999

You forgot DC Universe Online and MLB 09, but then it's the lemmings' turn to point out they aren't exclusive...

its not that they count necessarily. its about the word exclsuive. it has a set meaning. you cant change it or twist it depending on your position

As it is subjective to which side of the argument is arguing which point.

Example:

Xbox 360 Vs Playstation 3 Games List:

360

Mass Effect 2

Splinter Cell Conviction

Halo Reach

Crackdown 2

PS3

Last Guardian

God of War 3

Final Fantasy 14 Online

Gran Turismo 5

Yes, there are more games listed, but I have put four on each side for sake of argument and avoiding fanboy wars.

Typical Response : But ME2 and Splinter Cell are not exclusive to the 360, as I can play them on my PC.

Why is this stupid: As the title clearly says that it is 360 vs PS3, and everything is mutually exclusive to that notion.It is like comparing a Ferrari 2-seater and Lamborghini 4-seater, and saying that the Lamborghini is better as more can sit on one car, then your opposition saying that if I wanted to sit more than 2, I would use an MPV, like a Toyota Previa. Yes, that is true, but when you are comparing one to another, you cannot bring something up to argue your case only.

Also, let's imagine if someone who is buying their first ever consumer entertainment device (which includes PC's ), and they go into a games store. They look at the 360 lineup, and the PS3 lineup. They decide that one is better than the other, as it has the games that they want. They do not deliberate, however, that that game doesn't "count", as it is also available on PC.

Looking at the evidence above, it is clearly shown that the use of the PC in 360 vs PS3 arguments, is just because of one side proving some kind of point to another.

Its just damage control,we all know this but it doesnt matter.SW rules dont apply in the real world.The 360 has alot more AAA games in its library with alot more to come,Its software sales far exceed Sony's dismal sales and you will never change the Cows biggest defence argument here.We all know how many Cows actually have copies of these games.How the minority rules,makes no sense.Its funny,when comparing two console libraries we have to include the PC+PS3.

Its just damage control,we all know this but it doesnt matter.SW rules dont apply in the real world.The 360 has alot more AAA games in its library with alot more to come,Its software sales far exceed Sony's dismal sales and you will never change the Cows biggest defence argument here.We all know how many Cows actually have copies of these games.How the minority rules,makes no sense.Its funny,when comparing two console libraries we have to include the PC+PS3.

xgraderx

Like i said in the post above yours, it's subjective.

The 360 has alot more AAA games in its library

xgraderx

By what metric? Not according to Gamespot, it doesn't. Or did you mean AA?

you cant exclude the PC its a gaming system.

the PS3 on its own has better exclusives than 360. exclusives are made better on PS3 like how uncharted2 is console graphics king. PS3 exclusives arent on PC.

for multiplats some are better on PS3 and some are better on 360. for as far as exclusives PS3 is where its at

sillaris

So when it comes to library comparisons, PC can't be excluded. But when it comes to graphics comparisons, suddenly it can be excluded, huh? "console exclusive" would never be permitted, but "console graphics king" is perfecly acceptable ;) Just proof that the PC is a seperate platform you can conveniently use or dismiss however it fits your agenda.

And to answer your other question;

"who buys a console for the multiplats? the exclusives are what makes them different"

SoulCalibur 4, Tekken 6 are multiplat games that can't be played on PC. So I guess multiplat games DO count on console libraries after all :)

[QUOTE="sillaris"]

you cant exclude the PC its a gaming system.

the PS3 on its own has better exclusives than 360. exclusives are made better on PS3 like how uncharted2 is console graphics king. PS3 exclusives arent on PC.

for multiplats some are better on PS3 and some are better on 360. for as far as exclusives PS3 is where its at

AdobeArtist

So when it comes to library comparisons, PC can't be excluded. But when it comes to graphics comparisons, suddenly it can be excluded, huh? "console exclusive" would never be permitted, but "console graphics king" is perfecly acceptable ;) Just proof that the PC is a seperate platform you can conveniently use or dismiss however it fits your agenda.

And to answer your other question;

"who buys a console for the multiplats? the exclusives are what makes them different"

SoulCalibur 4, Tekken 6 are multiplat games that can't be played on PC. So I guess multiplat games DO count on console libraries after all :)

Look, Sillaris is a known cow. Trying to debunk his arguments has no purpose, as you can't change his opinion.

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[QUOTE="akira2465"]

This is sytem wars and exclusive means only on that system. PC is a different system than X-box, therefore they are not exclusive./p>

Last time I checked this wasn't a PS3 vs 360 board. What others claim to have has no point being in the discussion. Even if I didn't have a high end PC to run those games, it would still be aFACT that games like Mass effect/Gears/Fable etc are not exclusive. Right now Gears 2 is exclusive.

I don't get what the point is. This is the way it's always been. In the end it doesn't really matter because we all get to play games.

Every time there is a comparison between 360 and ps3 games, somebody always brings up, well its on pc so it doesnt count?

where is the logic in this?

In a comparison between the two this doesnt make sense.

If i were to go in to a shop to buy either a ps3 or a 360, i will notice that Gears of war, left 4 dead, mass effect are availible on the 360 and not the ps3.

If i had only a ps3 i would not be able to play these games, just as my 360 will not play Uncharted 2, and MGS4.

I spent about £600 this year upgrading my pc to play such games as crysis on max settings, and there is not one person i know who would spend that much on a PC to play a handful of games.

So these same people who claim to have teh massivez spes pc and a ps3, and spent a load of money upgrading thier pc to play these 360/ pc games, does it not make more sense to spend that money on a 360? especially when this year only two gameshave come out on the pc that are worth upgrading for, ( empire total war , arma 2 )

But then i do suspect most Sony fanboys say they have a high spec pc as damage control.

your thoughts

And btw, it seems odd that you feel the need topoint out the "FACT" that Mass Effect is not exclusive when the TC never claimed that they were. He only said that it is not on the PS3 and that this should matter in a 360 vs. PS3 comparison. Do you dispute this?dsmccracken

The problem is, it's very rare that someone makes a thread comparing total libraries like the TC claims (in which these multiplat titles would count). Most of the threads are about exclusives (which these games are not), or graphics, or specific games.

[QUOTE="akira2465"]Except in this case your using the 360 + PC to counter the PS3.IronBass

[QUOTE="dsmccracken"] And btw, it seems odd that you feel the need topoint out the "FACT" that Mass Effect is not exclusive when the TC never claimed that they were. He only said that it is not on the PS3 and that this should matter in a 360 vs. PS3 comparison. Do you dispute this?asylumni

The problem is, it's very rare that someone makes a thread comparing total libraries like the TC claims (in which these multiplat titles would count). Most of the threads are about exclusives (which these games are not), or graphics, or specific games.

That gives me an idea.... :)

[QUOTE="dsmccracken"] And btw, it seems odd that you feel the need topoint out the "FACT" that Mass Effect is not exclusive when the TC never claimed that they were. He only said that it is not on the PS3 and that this should matter in a 360 vs. PS3 comparison. Do you dispute this?asylumni

The problem is, it's very rare that someone makes a thread comparing total libraries like the TC claims (in which these multiplat titles would count). Most of the threads are about exclusives (which these games are not), or graphics, or specific games.

[QUOTE="asylumni"]

[QUOTE="dsmccracken"] And btw, it seems odd that you feel the need topoint out the "FACT" that Mass Effect is not exclusive when the TC never claimed that they were. He only said that it is not on the PS3 and that this should matter in a 360 vs. PS3 comparison. Do you dispute this?KaoSXFACTOR

The problem is, it's very rare that someone makes a thread comparing total libraries like the TC claims (in which these multiplat titles would count). Most of the threads are about exclusives (which these games are not), or graphics, or specific games.

That gives me an idea.... :)

That seems like a lot of work, though. If only there was some kind of document, a list of sorts, arranged in a grid pattern, spread out on a sheet of some sort, that could list all these titles.:idea:

System Wars. System Wars. You know. Its System Wars.skrat_01

I don`t really care if some games are on PC because i only play games on consoles like a lot of other people i know. Cows always say oh but i can play Mass Effect (or insert other PC/360 game) on my PC i doubt most of them even have a PC and well who cares because i like playing it on my Xbox.

Also Microsoft seem to be moving away from porting exclusives on to the PC, Epic Won`t port Gears 2 because of PC Piracy and Forza 2, PGR3-4, Rare games, Halo 3 - ODST, Fable 2, Crackdown are all exclusive too the Xbox 360

most of the 360 "exclusives" arent exclusives because they are on PC...

someone telling me well 360 has gears of war and PS3 dont, well its not exclusive beacase its on PC and I have a gaming PC.

it would be the same as say if MGS4 or uncharted2 was on PC... lemmings would say the same thing

sillaris

Most 360 "exclusives are on the PC? That's a lie, you should check your facts before you say such outlandish things. In actuality, only a very small number are on the PC.

You may be right that lemmings would be doing the same thing if MGS4 were on the PC, but it's odd that you can't grasp that one idiotic faction's actions in no way justify those of another idiotic faction.

[QUOTE="sillaris"]

most of the 360 "exclusives" arent exclusives because they are on PC...

someone telling me well 360 has gears of war and PS3 dont, well its not exclusive beacase its on PC and I have a gaming PC.

it would be the same as say if MGS4 or uncharted2 was on PC... lemmings would say the same thing

Exactly the point. "Hiding behind the PC" PC/PS3 vs 360. How does this benefit the PS3 in a PS3 vs 360 argument though?

[QUOTE="skrat_01"]System Wars. System Wars. You know. Its System Wars.dsmccracken

So these same people who claim to have teh massivez spes pc and a ps3, and spent a load of money upgrading thier pc to play these 360/ pc games, does it not make more sense to spend that money on a 360? especially when this year only two gameshave come out on the pc that are worth upgrading for, ( empire total war , arma 2 )

But then i do suspect most Sony fanboys say they have a high spec pc as damage control.

your thoughts

scottiescott238

I am willing to bet that the same people that claim that have a high end PC and PS3 are the ones complaining about paying for Xbox Live. Which is ironic since a high end PC would cost more then a 360 and four year subsrciption.

you cant exclude the PC its a gaming system.

the PS3 on its own has better exclusives than 360. exclusives are made better on PS3 like how uncharted2 is console graphics king. PS3 exclusives arent on PC

[QUOTE="sillaris"][QUOTE="AdobeArtist"] What about overall libraries? When comparing overall libraries, why do cows have to bring up the PC? Why can't the PS3 simply use it's libraries against the 360 without having to bring another system into it?dsmccracken

[QUOTE="dsmccracken"][QUOTE="skrat_01"]System Wars. System Wars. You know. Its System Wars.skrat_01

[QUOTE="dsmccracken"][QUOTE="Nike_Air"]

I'll always have a PC in my life .... I'll be able to play those PC games (some now , some later).

[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="dsmccracken"] Again, it's called System Wars because discussions on all systems are welcome here. NOT because we must everywhere and at all times remember and discuss the entire bloody Benneton Rainbow of systems in every sentence in every thread, even when they are not relevant to the topic at hand.dsmccracken

i never ever onwed a xbox or a 360 in my6 life, yet ive played Mass effect, GeoW, halo, halo 2, L4D. if i didnt owned a Ps3 i would get to play MGS4, U/U2, Infamous
See thats why...

multiplat =!Exclusive

Using the argument of "Well, you need to factor in the cost of the PC" doesnt really make sense. In any 360 vs PS3 debate, if the owner of a system owned ONLY a PS3 or a 360, then the fact that a game exists on the system he doesnt own has no relevance to whether its exclusive or not. Its not like he could play the game anyways in the first place since its not even on a system he owns.

If we go by that stance then ANY PS3 vs 360 arguments are null and void. They would only apply to owners of BOTH systems and then the argument is pointless since he has the option of games of both systems.

The reality is that the argument of PS3 vs 360 exists to attempt to find a meritable system of comparison between the two system. We seem to agree that its highest value lies in the strength of titles unique to that system. If another system has it, regardless of whether its a console or not, then its not uniqe to that system - and it significantly devalues the point.

If you want to continue to argue that it should only be in the context of just "consoles" then we fall back into the first point i made. then you might as well argue into the context that the person owns only one system and if another sytsem has or doesnt have an exclusive makes it meaninlgess and ou might as well consider EVERY title for a single console owner as "exclusive." Then the entire thing becomes meaningless.

i never ever onwed a xbox or a 360 in my6 life, yet ive played Mass effect, GeoW, halo, halo 2, L4D. if i didnt owned a Ps3 i would get to play MGS4, U/U2, Infamous
See thats why...

multiplat =!Exclusive

SionPT

Im pretty sure you are missing some awesome games:

Forza 2
PDZ
GRAW
Halo 3
Gears 2
Halo 3 ODST
DOA4
PGR3
Kameo
Banjo Kazooie
Fable 2
Viva Pinata 2
Ace Combat 6
PGR4
Dead Rising
Saints Row
Stoked
Race Pro
Chromehounds
Crackdown
Amped 3
Namco Museum
Lost Odyssey
Ninja Blade

Using the argument of "Well, you need to factor in the cost of the PC" doesnt really make sense. In any 360 vs PS3 debate, if the owner of a system owned ONLY a PS3 or a 360, then the fact that a game exists on the system he doesnt own has no relevance to whether its exclusive or not. Its not like he could play the game anyways in the first place since its not even on a system he owns.

If we go by that stance then ANY PS3 vs 360 arguments are null and void. They would only apply to owners of BOTH systems and then the argument is pointless since he has the option of games of both systems.

The reality is that the argument of PS3 vs 360 exists to attempt to find a meritable system of comparison between the two system. We seem to agree that its highest value lies in the strength of titles unique to that system. If another system has it, regardless of whether its a console or not, then its not uniqe to that system - and it significantly devalues the point.

If you want to continue to argue that it should only be in the context of just "consoles" then we fall back into the first point i made. then you might as well argue into the context that the person owns only one system and if another sytsem has or doesnt have an exclusive makes it meaninlgess and ou might as well consider EVERY title for a single console owner as "exclusive." Then the entire thing becomes meaningless.

XaosII