When comparing 360 vs PS3 why do pc games count?

[QUOTE="dsmccracken"][QUOTE="skrat_01"]System Wars. System Wars. You know. Its System Wars.skrat_01

I don't think the point made by TC is so much arguing exclusives as why are certain titles discounted on the 360 by cows because they can be found on the PC as well. Hypothetically, it would be like Car and Driver comparing a Mustang to a Camaro, yet penalizing the Mustang for sharing some of the same engine components as a Ferrari. I'm not saying lems wouldn't do it if the roles were reversed, they most certainly would, it's just a bit silly is all.

Every time there is a comparison between 360 and ps3 games, somebody always brings up, well its on pc so it doesnt count?

where is the logic in this?

In a comparison between the two this doesnt make sense.

If i were to go in to a shop to buy either a ps3 or a 360, i will notice that Gears of war, left 4 dead, mass effect are availible on the 360 and not the ps3.

If i had only a ps3 i would not be able to play these games, just as my 360 will not play Uncharted 2, and MGS4.

I spent about £600 this year upgrading my pc to play such games as crysis on max settings, and there is not one person i know who would spend that much on a PC to play a handful of games.

So these same people who claim to have teh massivez spes pc and a ps3, and spent a load of money upgrading thier pc to play these 360/ pc games, does it not make more sense to spend that money on a 360? especially when this year only two gameshave come out on the pc that are worth upgrading for, ( empire total war , arma 2 )

But then i do suspect most Sony fanboys say they have a high spec pc as damage control.

your thoughts

scottiescott238

How much you want to bet if MGS4 ( or any other game for the PS3 ) was a "PS3/PC exclusive" "lemmings" would throw it in the "cow's" faces every chance they got ?

How much you want to bet if MGS4 ( or any other game for the PS3 ) was a "PS3/PC exclusive" "lemmings" would throw it in the "cow's" face every chance they got ?

sakura_Ex

its funny to see all the hypocrit remarks cows make. they say this is system war not console war. but when it comes to graphic king. they exclude pc. Well guess what cows, theres is no such thing as console graphic king. As this is "System war"

or when they do exclusive comparison they dont list down pc exclusives. they only want to compare with xbox 360.

its funny to see all the hypocrit remarks cows make. they say this is system war not console war. but when it comes to graphic king. they exclude pc. Well guess what cows, theres is no such thing as console graphic king. As this is "System war"

or when they do exclusive comparison they dont list down pc exclusives. they only want to compare with xbox 360.

2uneek4u

And I'll say it again - the cows only use the PC in arguments so long as it's convenient to do so (library comparisons) but will very easily dismiss it when it works against them (graphics). They want to have their cake and eat it too, which is what completely invalidates their position, since they don't hold a firm stand on it.

The whole thing about including PC in comparison between 360 and PS3 libraries, is that it doesn't factor in that there are basically 3 categories of gamers. I'm not talking about hardcores and casuals. What I mean is;

* gamers who play ONLY on consoles
* gamers who play ONLY on PCs
* gamers who play on BOTH consoles and PCs

The cows always talk as though every single console gamer also plays on PC, which is so far from the truth. We obviously can't get specific numbers for a demographic here, but the numbers themselves aren't the point, only that these categories of gamers have a specific means for which they choose to play.

So for the 3rd category, yes PC sharing the 360s library would apply. But what about the first two? If its a console only gamer, what the hell does it matter that Mass Effect (the popular example here) is on PC? He's decided he doesn't want to game on that platform as his preference (maybe price, simplicity of plug n' play, convenience of ready out of the box, etc...). So for him to want to play Mass Effect, of the choices of consoles, it's gotta be 360.

And if it's the PC only player.... well why would be be concerned about PS3's library, let alone 360's?

The definition of exclusive isn't changed here, but for that particular type of gamer, it is simply irrelevant if he won't be using the PC platform at all. And really, a game being multiplat between 360 and PC has no more impact than some games being shared between PS3 and 360. A regular gamer goes into the store, he knows what games he wants to play regardless of which platform, so multiplats will still factor into his purchasing choice, along with other aspects (total cost, system features, online, what ever his understanding of tech specs is, etc...), so long as that system does offer the games, it can be part of what persuades his buying dollar.

[QUOTE="scottiescott238"]

Every time there is a comparison between 360 and ps3 games, somebody always brings up, well its on pc so it doesnt count?

where is the logic in this?

In a comparison between the two this doesnt make sense.

If i were to go in to a shop to buy either a ps3 or a 360, i will notice that Gears of war, left 4 dead, mass effect are availible on the 360 and not the ps3.

If i had only a ps3 i would not be able to play these games, just as my 360 will not play Uncharted 2, and MGS4.

I spent about £600 this year upgrading my pc to play such games as crysis on max settings, and there is not one person i know who would spend that much on a PC to play a handful of games.

So these same people who claim to have teh massivez spes pc and a ps3, and spent a load of money upgrading thier pc to play these 360/ pc games, does it not make more sense to spend that money on a 360? especially when this year only two gameshave come out on the pc that are worth upgrading for, ( empire total war , arma 2 )

But then i do suspect most Sony fanboys say they have a high spec pc as damage control.

your thoughts

James161324

no it just called the cows are being cows. since the 360 has a ton of great games that come out on the pc/360. that try to pull that crap.

its really just a lame excuse. to try to make it look like the ps3 has more ps3 only games and better game than the 360.

It's not that they don't count; it's more that they don't count as exclusives. It would be like comparing the PS3 to the Wii. You can't count multiplatform games the PS3 has as exclusives because the Wii doesn't have them in it's library

It's not that they don't count; it's more that they don't count as exclusives. It would be like comparing the PS3 to the Wii. You can't count multiplatform games the PS3 has as exclusives because the Wii doesn't have them in it's library

BPoole96

Everytime some sheep brags about the wii having exclusives, cows and lemmings say yea but they are missing all the great multiplatforms like assasins creed, re5 or wathever. Everybody just says and belives whatever fits their argument at the time. You can play Gears and ME and Halo, etc on the 360 and not on the PS3, to say they shouldnt count because they are on the PC is retarded. When you are comparing PS3 to 360, those games are exclusive to the 360, it doesnt matter if system wars agrees with that or not.

I am a gamer and i owned a gaming PC since before even PS2. I upgraded it with every generation.

When i was buying PS3/360, there was a good question in my mind. Why should i go for the 360 ? since half of its games i can enjoy on my PC !

So fanboyism aside, even a game on PS2 with a 10x better version on PS3 like mlb 09 was never considered an "Exclusive" .So why in this case, where the game is exactly the same and probably even FAAR better looking on PC should be considered "Xbox 360 ONLY exclusive". When you can play it on a PC you already own ?

Here's the thing: when I see a post regarding supposed 360 exclusives being waved in people's faces in threads trying to prove that the 360 will be totally dominant in such and such a year, I think it becomes extremely relevant to point out that I don't NEED a 360 to play some of those titles! It directly refutes the point that is trying to be made, so why not mention it?????beekayjay

Here's the thing: when I see a post regarding supposed 360 exclusives being waved in people's faces in threads trying to prove that the 360 will be totally dominant in such and such a year, I think it becomes extremely relevant to point out that I don't NEED a 360 to play some of those titles! It directly refutes the point that is trying to be made, so why not mention it?????beekayjay

Why wouldn't they count? I have a gaming PC, and it's made my 360 nearly obsolete. I'm still glad I have a 360, The Ballad of Gay Tony and Alan Wake look really good, but I could easily get by with just my PS3, Wii, and PC. My 360 isn't even set up right now, not until episodes from liberty city comes out.

You'd better believe lemmings would be giving the cows hell if a good portion of ps3 games had superior versions released on PC.

if we compare games libraries then those 360/PC games not available on PS3 should be counted....

However if we are comparing 360 vs PS3 EXCLUSIVES those 360/PC games dont count cause they are available on PC.. it doesnt matter if not all PS3 owners have gaming PC's, those 360/PC games are not exlusive to 360..

pc games count because they simply by default have the best graphics. the maxed out PC graphics for a multiplat game is the maximum a developer could get out of the engine, comparing the consoles to the PC just shows you how well optimized (or not) the game was.

360 vs PS3 is exclusives vs exclusivesTintedEyes

because you can play those games without a x360. it's system wars not console wars. imprezawrx500

I cant play them on my pc. So for me every game is an exlusive. Plus I have evolved and no longer like playing games with the m/k.

"just hook your 360/ps3 controller up to your pc and hook your pc up to your big screen tv....problem solved"...just though I would say the line first.

Just refer to the sweet PC/360 games as: " PS3/Wii Excluded " games and it's all good. :P

pc games count because they simply by default have the best graphics. the maxed out PC graphics for a multiplat game is the maximum a developer could get out of the engine, comparing the consoles to the PC just shows you how well optimized (or not) the game was.

shani_boy101

This is a discussion about library comparisons. Graphics isn't the issue here, just what games can be played on which system.

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And to people still chanting "but I can play it on my PC"; is it really that difficult for you to grasp the concept that not everybody has a PC that is capable of gaming by todays standards? That the PC they type on the forums also can't play Crysis, Stalker, Arma 2, Diablo 3 (when it coms out), not even on medium settings? Can you just simply acknowledge that there are console only gamers (just as there are PC only players) who won't upgrade their PC and simply prefer consoles as their chief gaming platform, without being elitist about it?

because the PS3/PC combo is much better than the 360/PC combo even though It only really applies to the people who own gaming PCs. The majority of the 360 games end up on PC whereas almost no PS3 exclusives go to PC.

It's just a loophole that is used endlessly by cows, it's also hard to prove or disprove cause console owners are constantly trying to battle it between themselves, and PC owners are trying to compare PCs to consoles.

i.e.

PS3 owner: Uncharted 2 is the graphics king, PC owner: No it's not, crysis is,
360 owner: Mass Effect is the best exclusive ever. PS3 owner: 360/PC not exclusive

so you've got PC owners that think they should be compared to consoles, 360 owners who don't think PCs should be counted, and PS3 owners that exploit both to their advantage.

IMO PCs count, even when it's claiming a graphics king, or a multiplat on 360/PC.

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

It's not that they don't count; it's more that they don't count as exclusives. It would be like comparing the PS3 to the Wii. You can't count multiplatform games the PS3 has as exclusives because the Wii doesn't have them in it's library

Bukowski81

Everytime some sheep brags about the wii having exclusives, cows and lemmings say yea but they are missing all the great multiplatforms like assasins creed, re5 or wathever. Everybody just says and belives whatever fits their argument at the time. You can play Gears and ME and Halo, etc on the 360 and not on the PS3, to say they shouldnt count because they are on the PC is retarded. When you are comparing PS3 to 360, those games are exclusive to the 360, it doesnt matter if system wars agrees with that or not.

Those games do count for the 360 though. When you compare AAAA, AAA, AA, and A games, it's not like they are thrown out. The 360 still gets Mass Effect and others added to their AAA-AA numbers. Who cares about exclusivity, they are still in the library. It's the same as MLB: The Show for the PS3. It's on the PS2 so it isn't exclusives, but it still adds another AAA game to the PS3 library.

If the PS3 and 360 have multiplats that the Wii does not support, they can very well use those in a debate over games, just not exclusives.

I'll always have a PC in my life .... I'll be able to play those PC games (some now , some later).

Nike_Air

Every time there is a comparison between 360 and ps3 games, somebody always brings up, well its on pc so it doesnt count?

where is the logic in this?

In a comparison between the two this doesnt make sense.

If i were to go in to a shop to buy either a ps3 or a 360, i will notice that Gears of war, left 4 dead, mass effect are availible on the 360 and not the ps3.

If i had only a ps3 i would not be able to play these games, just as my 360 will not play Uncharted 2, and MGS4.

I spent about £600 this year upgrading my pc to play such games as crysis on max settings, and there is not one person i know who would spend that much on a PC to play a handful of games.

So these same people who claim to have teh massivez spes pc and a ps3, and spent a load of money upgrading thier pc to play these 360/ pc games, does it not make more sense to spend that money on a 360? especially when this year only two gameshave come out on the pc that are worth upgrading for, ( empire total war , arma 2 )

But then i do suspect most Sony fanboys say they have a high spec pc as damage control.

your thoughts

scottiescott238

[QUOTE="scottiescott238"]

Every time there is a comparison between 360 and ps3 games, somebody always brings up, well its on pc so it doesnt count?

where is the logic in this?

In a comparison between the two this doesnt make sense.

If i were to go in to a shop to buy either a ps3 or a 360, i will notice that Gears of war, left 4 dead, mass effect are availible on the 360 and not the ps3.

If i had only a ps3 i would not be able to play these games, just as my 360 will not play Uncharted 2, and MGS4.

I spent about £600 this year upgrading my pc to play such games as crysis on max settings, and there is not one person i know who would spend that much on a PC to play a handful of games.

So these same people who claim to have teh massivez spes pc and a ps3, and spent a load of money upgrading thier pc to play these 360/ pc games, does it not make more sense to spend that money on a 360? especially when this year only two gameshave come out on the pc that are worth upgrading for, ( empire total war , arma 2 )

But then i do suspect most Sony fanboys say they have a high spec pc as damage control.

your thoughts

da_illest101

[QUOTE="da_illest101"][QUOTE="scottiescott238"]

Every time there is a comparison between 360 and ps3 games, somebody always brings up, well its on pc so it doesnt count?

where is the logic in this?

In a comparison between the two this doesnt make sense.

If i were to go in to a shop to buy either a ps3 or a 360, i will notice that Gears of war, left 4 dead, mass effect are availible on the 360 and not the ps3.

If i had only a ps3 i would not be able to play these games, just as my 360 will not play Uncharted 2, and MGS4.

I spent about £600 this year upgrading my pc to play such games as crysis on max settings, and there is not one person i know who would spend that much on a PC to play a handful of games.

So these same people who claim to have teh massivez spes pc and a ps3, and spent a load of money upgrading thier pc to play these 360/ pc games, does it not make more sense to spend that money on a 360? especially when this year only two gameshave come out on the pc that are worth upgrading for, ( empire total war , arma 2 )

But then i do suspect most Sony fanboys say they have a high spec pc as damage control.

your thoughts

Danm_999

Simply pc dont count when talking about 360 v ps3. If i cared about the pc argument i would title the topic 360 v ps3 v pcEmpCom

THANK YOU...It seems the PCfanboys have to stick their noses in on every thread thinking they are included..Its like they dont understand that they are not included when not brought up..

I dont know....I get tired of coming here and aruging about the same things day after day. The problems are never solved and never will be. Its really a headache. You cant have your opinion on anything here. If you dont agree with everyone you are called out and torn apart.

This is the reason why SW will never work. You cant get people to agree on polotics, religion and you wont get people to agree they have their own opinions and beliefs and you dont have to answer to anyone else because of it.I really hate the internet sometimes..lol

Here's the thing: when I see a post regarding supposed 360 exclusives being waved in people's faces in threads trying to prove that the 360 will be totally dominant in such and such a year, I think it becomes extremely relevant to point out that I don't NEED a 360 to play some of those titles! It directly refutes the point that is trying to be made, so why not mention it?????beekayjay

360 vs PS3 is exclusives vs exclusives, multiplats never counted and never will.TintedEyes

They should do a new rule:

When systems are Underlined and Bolded,Discussions on those systems should only take place in the thread.

Example:

Which is better, Xbox 360 or PS3???????????

If you're a PS3 owner that has a PC that can run these games, and you actually do make it a point to play them for your PC, then I'll allow you to make your arguments. However, if you don't have a PC that can play the Xbox/PC games, or you choose not to, then you're argument here is stupid.

It's like me saying "OOOOHHHH Gran Turismo 5 doesn't count because the PSP has a GT game." Granted, it's not exactly the same game, but it's still a stupid argument if you don't have the means to play it without having a 360.

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The problem is when 360 fanboys try to act like they are exclusives just because they aren't on PS3. 360 fanboys could save themselves a lot of agony and scrutiny if they'd just tell the truth. They are games that can be played on the 360 but not PS3, simple as that. Don't try to attach some fancy name like 'console exclusive' or some BS like that. The truth is all you need but they want it to count in same meaningless statistic and make themselves look like fools.

Well, everyone has a PC. It cost me under $100 Canadian to upgrade my old PC To play games like Mass Effect on Med settings, with no hitches. It barely costs anything to upgrade ur PC, you just have to know howmgkennedy5

in response to the original post:

The problem is when 360 fanboys try to act like they are exclusives just because they aren't on PS3. 360 fanboys could save themselves a lot of agony and scrutiny if they'd just tell the truth. They are games that can be played on the 360 but not PS3, simple as that. Don't try to attach some fancy name like 'console exclusive' or some BS like that. The truth is all you need but they want it to count in same meaningless statistic and make themselves look like fools.

mudman91878

[QUOTE="mudman91878"]

in response to the original post:

The problem is when 360 fanboys try to act like they are exclusives just because they aren't on PS3. 360 fanboys could save themselves a lot of agony and scrutiny if they'd just tell the truth. They are games that can be played on the 360 but not PS3, simple as that. Don't try to attach some fancy name like 'console exclusive' or some BS like that. The truth is all you need but they want it to count in same meaningless statistic and make themselves look like fools.

dsmccracken

in response to the original post:

The problem is when 360 fanboys try to act like they are exclusives just because they aren't on PS3. 360 fanboys could save themselves a lot of agony and scrutiny if they'd just tell the truth. They are games that can be played on the 360 but not PS3, simple as that. Don't try to attach some fancy name like 'console exclusive' or some BS like that. The truth is all you need but they want it to count in same meaningless statistic and make themselves look like fools.

[QUOTE="iowastate"] the rules for excusives are outlined in the SW stickies - you have to follow those when you declare any game to be exclusive. In SW there is NOT any such thing as "console" exclusive. dsmccracken

No wonder your Evil Monkey is so angry, dsm :lol:

Every time there is a comparison between 360 and ps3 games, somebody always brings up, well its on pc so it doesnt count?

where is the logic in this?

In a comparison between the two this doesnt make sense.

If i were to go in to a shop to buy either a ps3 or a 360, i will notice that Gears of war, left 4 dead, mass effect are availible on the 360 and not the ps3.

If i had only a ps3 i would not be able to play these games, just as my 360 will not play Uncharted 2, and MGS4.

I spent about £600 this year upgrading my pc to play such games as crysis on max settings, and there is not one person i know who would spend that much on a PC to play a handful of games.

So these same people who claim to have teh massivez spes pc and a ps3, and spent a load of money upgrading thier pc to play these 360/ pc games, does it not make more sense to spend that money on a 360? especially when this year only two gameshave come out on the pc that are worth upgrading for, ( empire total war , arma 2 )

But then i do suspect most Sony fanboys say they have a high spec pc as damage control.

your thoughts

Probably based off the fact that everyone here has a pc or has access to one.Zoso-8

No you see, I DON'T NEED A 360 to play that game, I can be a ps3 owner and play it on my PCPices