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#1 fadersdream
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There is an argument about the next gen and if Wii-U begins it or if it catches up to it.

Did the Wii motion control start a new generation or did it perfect the Power Glove?

Is the Wii-U tablet an advancement or has it taken the Gamecube/PSP link cable forward but the system remains comparable to existing technology?

Does the generation begin when the games advance? I think it does, it's always been my measure... but I'm old, I used to think that we would always measure in bits... 4bit graphics... 4+4 equals 8 bit graphics, etc. It was a clear and easy way of deciding for a little kid.

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#2 lundy86_4
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When the Wii-U releases.

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#3 Nengo_Flow
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next gen starts when Sega says so...
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when i say it does.

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#5 BPoole96
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When Sony says it does.

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#6 tenaka2
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When the Wii U is released.

Also at that point all PiS3 and Poorbox threads should really only be made in the Legacy Platform forum. :P

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There is an argument about the next gen and if Wii-U begins it or if it catches up to it.

Did the Wii motion control start a new generation or did it perfect the Power Glove?

Is the Wii-U tablet an advancement or has it taken the Gamecube/PSP link cable forward but the system remains comparable to existing technology?

Does the generation begin when the games advance? I think it does, it's always been my measure... but I'm old, I used to think that we would always measure in bits... 4bit graphics... 4+4 equals 8 bit graphics, etc. It was a clear and easy way of deciding for a little kid.

fadersdream

Wii Motion control didn't start a new generation because the 360 was already released before the Wii released. PS3 was also released 2 days before the Wii released in 2006.

With the Wii U Nintendo is releasing first so that is when the 8th generation starts.

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#8 The_Game21x
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When Sony says it does.

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Beat me to it! :x

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When the Wii-U releases.

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this is true.

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#10 Heil68
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I thought it had already with the 3DS/Vita? If not I guess with the release of the WiiU then.
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#11 fadersdream
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Though I have negative feelings towards the Wii-U... I agree. It does begin the next gen.

...

I also worry that it fragments the next gen, and gives companys laterals towards game development and design that prospers Shovel-Ware and games that would be more fitting on an Arcade market, but are sold as Full priced releases.

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I thought it had already with the 3DS/Vita? If not I guess with the release of the WiiU then. Heil68
I thought that two but other users kept telling me handheld generations are independent from console generations.

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Question for you guys. Let's say the Wii U comes out this year, but Sony and MS didn't release new consoles until 2015, but Nintendo relesed another console in 2017, are the Wii U and the MS and Sony consoles in the same gen? I know that they would be considered the same gen, but is it fair to compare a console that is 3 years newer? Seems like Nintendo is releasing a stop gap system while MS and Sony can still get a few more years out of the 360 and PS3. Games are steadily looking better on the 2 consoles and I'm sure the same will happen with the Wii U, which I will be getting. Just a question and I would appreciate your opinions.

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#14 Maroxad
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When the cycle begins anew.

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When the U hits the street.

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#16 ShadowMoses900
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I consider it "When New Technology is Released". Not the system it's self....let's be honest here, the Wii was NOT a next gen system, and I have doubts about the Wii U, only a jump in tech marks a new generation cycle.

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I dont know, Whats the PS4s release date? Domination Continuation :cool:
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Question for you guys. Let's say the Wii U comes out this year, but Sony and MS didn't release new consoles until 2015, but Nintendo relesed another console in 2017, are the Wii U and the MS and Sony consoles in the same gen? I know that they would be considered the same gen, but is it fair to compare a console that is 3 years newer? Seems like Nintendo is releasing a stop gap system while MS and Sony can still get a few more years out of the 360 and PS3. Games are steadily looking better on the 2 consoles and I'm sure the same will happen with the Wii U, which I will be getting. Just a question and I would appreciate your opinions.

rockydog1111

Genesis, TurboGrafx-16, and SNES were in the same generation and TurboGrafx-16 was released in Japan in 1987, Genesis was released in 1988 in Japan, and SNES was released in 1990 in Japan.

They were all competing but the SNES (Super Famicom) was released 3 years after the TurboGrfx-16 (PC Engine) and 2 years after the Genesis (Mega-Drive) in Japan.

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november something something
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#20 rockydog1111
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[QUOTE="rockydog1111"]

Question for you guys. Let's say the Wii U comes out this year, but Sony and MS didn't release new consoles until 2015, but Nintendo relesed another console in 2017, are the Wii U and the MS and Sony consoles in the same gen? I know that they would be considered the same gen, but is it fair to compare a console that is 3 years newer? Seems like Nintendo is releasing a stop gap system while MS and Sony can still get a few more years out of the 360 and PS3. Games are steadily looking better on the 2 consoles and I'm sure the same will happen with the Wii U, which I will be getting. Just a question and I would appreciate your opinions.

Nintendo_Ownes7

Genesis, TurboGrafx-16, and SNES were in the same generation and TurboGrafx-16 was released in Japan in 1987, Genesis was released in 1988 in Japan, and SNES was released in 1990 in Japan.

They were all competing but the SNES (Super Famicom) was released 3 years after the TurboGrfx-16 (PC Engine) and 2 years after the Genesis (Mega-Drive) in Japan.

Not sure why I didn't think of that. But thank you for the reply. Back then, the gap between their releases didn't seem like it was that many years apart.

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#21 APiranhaAteMyVa
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You could say the generation started with the 3DS, as consoles and handhelds tend to be released at a similar time. Otherwise it starts with the WiiU.
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who's looking forward to voting on new rules for downloadable games?

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I thought it had already with the 3DS/Vita? If not I guess with the release of the WiiU then. Heil68
handhelds work on different cycles.
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[QUOTE="Heil68"]I thought it had already with the 3DS/Vita? If not I guess with the release of the WiiU then. BrunoBRS
handhelds work on different cycles.

So it will be the release of the Wiiu then.
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When Nintendo says so...and they already have. November 18, 2012.

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#26 goblaa
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It starts when the console your a fanboy of comes out. Duh!

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#27 deactivated-5d6bb9cb2ee20
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The next generation always begins when Sony says so. So tomorrow, if Sony goes third party and never releases a Playstation 4, we shall forever be stuck in this generation, with no end to it in sight even for a hundred years.
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On Friday.
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#29 BenGermanV
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For me, it's certainly when the Wii U comes out. There are so many things the console is going to bring to the table that I'm really excited about.
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#30 games5522
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Consider this: the Zeebo, a Brazillian video game console that runs on a crappy mobile phone hardware and whose library consists mostly of ports of mobile games, is believed to be part of the same console generation as the Xbox 360, the PS3 and the Wii, at least as far as Wikipedia is concerned.

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When there is a major shift in AAA third party developement. This will not happen when wii-U launches, but when the PS360 does.
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The next generation always begins when Sony says so. So tomorrow, if Sony goes third party and never releases a Playstation 4, we shall forever be stuck in this generation, with no end to it in sight even for a hundred years.charizard1605
You wish. Hop off the internet and go play pokemon before you embarrass yourself more.

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When the 3DS.Vita released.

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When a new system is released.
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When the Wii U comes out. Just like how the 360 started this generation a year early, and boy do cows love to bring up that year headstart.

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When the Wii U comes out. Just like how the 360 started this generation a year early, and boy do cows love to bring up that year headstart.

RR360DD
Any person with half a brain knows that affects total sales.
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#37 Cheleman
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When Sony says so:cool:
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#38 APiranhaAteMyVa
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[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

When the Wii U comes out. Just like how the 360 started this generation a year early, and boy do cows love to bring up that year headstart.

Heirren
Any person with half a brain knows that affects total sales.

The total sales are what matter really, it seems a bit silly to suddenly say sales don't matter when the PS2 sold 50 million more units after the 360 launched. While system wars won't care once next gen starts, I'm sure the company cares more about overall sales. Nintendo jumped on a new gen because the Wii was slowing down, they didn't think "we have a 25 million lead lets just sit and wait until the PS4 and 720 launch because we have won".
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[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

When the Wii U comes out. Just like how the 360 started this generation a year early, and boy do cows love to bring up that year headstart.

Heirren
Any person with half a brain knows that affects total sales.

Actually the science says the opposite. Market saturation and interest determines sales, not time on market. A highly desired product will match or outsell it's competitor as long as desire is there. Time only plays a factor in the absolute beginning and once there is a price drop it should be considered Market Saturation has been met and sales then are based only on how much demand the product creates not length of time available.
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[QUOTE="Heirren"][QUOTE="RR360DD"]

When the Wii U comes out. Just like how the 360 started this generation a year early, and boy do cows love to bring up that year headstart.

APiranhaAteMyVa
Any person with half a brain knows that affects total sales.

The total sales are what matter really, it seems a bit silly to suddenly say sales don't matter when the PS2 sold 50 million more units after the 360 launched. While system wars won't care once next gen starts, I'm sure the company cares more about overall sales. Nintendo jumped on a new gen because the Wii was slowing down, they didn't think "we have a 25 million lead lets just sit and wait until the PS4 and 720 launch because we have won".

Oh I agree, and I think the ps3 will be on the active market longer than the 360. Let's say ps3 stays afloat a year and a half after 720 comes out--chances are the ps3 will pass the 360 in sales.
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[QUOTE="charizard1605"]The next generation always begins when Sony says so. So tomorrow, if Sony goes third party and never releases a Playstation 4, we shall forever be stuck in this generation, with no end to it in sight even for a hundred years.DarthClark

You wish. Hop off the internet and go play pokemon before you embarrass yourself more.

I'm always playing Pokemon, thanks for caring though :)
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it starts this november.
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[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"][QUOTE="Heil68"]I thought it had already with the 3DS/Vita? If not I guess with the release of the WiiU then. Heil68
handhelds work on different cycles.

So it will be the release of the Wiiu then.

not really. handhelds only have different cycles because they're released in the middle of a console generation, and end on another. the principle is the same, new hardware = new gen, but we keep handhelds and consoles separate because it's more tidy this way.
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#44 Gue1
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why you Americans resist the domination? By now everybody should know that next gen starts when Sony says so.

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#45 Cheleman
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why you Americans resist the domination? By now everybody should know that next gen starts when Sony says so.

Gue1

they only have 22 pairs of chromosomes:lol: what do you expect?:P

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When Gotham is in ashes.

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#47 Cranler
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When the Wii-U releases.

lundy86_4
A console that plays current gen games is a next gen console?
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literally,when S0NY says so
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#49 fadersdream
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[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

When the Wii-U releases.

Cranler
A console that plays current gen games is a next gen console?

That's the crux of the matter.
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#50 Cranler
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[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

When the Wii-U releases.

fadersdream

A console that plays current gen games is a next gen console?

That's the crux of the matter.

Next gen for nintendo but not for the industry.