When does a new generation begin?

who's looking forward to voting on new rules for downloadable games?

CaseyWegner

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

who's looking forward to voting on new rules for downloadable games?

cainetao11

the method of acquiring the game wasn't the issue. it was the quality/size of the early xbla games that influenced it.

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="Cranler"] Cod 2 was a next gen game. Oblivion and Gears were shown before the 360 launch. nintendo has shown nothing next gen. Gun was in 720p on 360. Are any wiiu multiplats in 1080p?Cranler

According to rumours, yes they are. Now, did you miss the latter portion of my post? It seems you did.

[QUOTE="cainetao11"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

who's looking forward to voting on new rules for downloadable games?

CaseyWegner

the method of acquiring the game wasn't the issue. it was the quality/size of the early xbla games that influenced it.

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="Cranler"] Hardware is designed to run software. Next gen hardware is for next gen games. Cranler

Again, that's not addressing my post. Try reading and comprehending what is said.

I'm not talking new designs. I'm talking more powerful hardware. As an example, the jump from the 6 series AMD cards to the 7 series.

Regardless, your entire argument is predicated on something you can't even prove. Explain to me exactly what hardware is in the Wii-U... Nothing rumoured or theorized.

[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

According to rumours, yes they are. Now, did you miss the latter portion of my post? It seems you did.

cainetao11

According to your outlook then you could say that Kinect started a new gen. Consoles are about games, until nintendo shows next gen games I consider it a current gen system.Cranler

No, you couldn't, as a new console was not released with the Kinect. It was a peripheral for an existing system.

[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

Again, that's not addressing my post. Try reading and comprehending what is said.

lundy86_4

I'm not talking new designs. I'm talking more powerful hardware. As an example, the jump from the 6 series AMD cards to the 7 series.

Regardless, your entire argument is predicated on something you can't even prove. Explain to me exactly what hardware is in the Wii-U... Nothing rumoured or theorized.

[QUOTE="Cranler"]According to your outlook then you could say that Kinect started a new gen. Consoles are about games, until nintendo shows next gen games I consider it a current gen system.lundy86_4

No, you couldn't, as a new console was not released with the Kinect. It was a peripheral for an existing system.

According to him current gen games with a new way to control is next gen so that would make kinect next gen. See how bad your and his rationale are?Cranler

Seriously? He's talking about the Wii-U introducing a new controller with a new control scheme. If you're going to criticize what he's saying, at least understand it. By your definition that you linked, his assertion is 100% correct. FFS.

The jump from 6 to 7 isnt a game changer. Thats what? 30% performance increase? Xbox to 360 was about a 600-700% increase. What company in their right mind would create a powerful console and then not show it off?Cranler

It doesn't need to be. According to your link, a technological advance is necessary, and that is present in the Wii-U. You are undermining your own argument.

The gap of the technological advance is an arbitrary liomitation by you, so please, enough with the inane arguments.

We've covered this ground already.

[QUOTE="Cranler"]According to him current gen games with a new way to control is next gen so that would make kinect next gen. See how bad your and his rationale are?lundy86_4

Seriously? He's talking about the Wii-U introducing a new controller with a new control scheme. If you're going to criticize what he's saying, at least understand it. By your definition that you linked, his assertion is 100% correct. FFS.

The jump from 6 to 7 isnt a game changer. Thats what? 30% performance increase? Xbox to 360 was about a 600-700% increase. What company in their right mind would create a powerful console and then not show it off?Cranler

It doesn't need to be. According to your link, a technological advance is necessary, and that is present in the Wii-U. You are undermining your own argument.

The gap of the technological advance is an arbitrary liomitation by you, so please, enough with the inane arguments.

We've covered this ground already.

Again, next gen for nintendo and next gen for the industry are 2 separate things. When the 360 came out it did things far beyond what any console could do at the time. Not true with wiiu. Wii and ps360 dont even really compete, they have a completely different level of games. The wiiu looks to be designed all around competing with the ps360.

Ho wants to classify a console that plays current gen games with a different type of control to be next gen then why cant kinect be considered next gen?Cranler

Don't answer with a question. It doesn't clear up the mess that you dug yourself into. Your definition states that a console must bring technological advances (it doesn't say from where, so the Wii would be valid as well) and innovation (which the controller does). The argument is over, and it's just devolved into the worst kind of argument. We're going in circles, and it isn't fun. Have a good one.

[QUOTE="Cranler"]Ho wants to classify a console that plays current gen games with a different type of control to be next gen then why cant kinect be considered next gen?lundy86_4

Don't answer with a question. It doesn't clear up the mess that you dug yourself into. Your definition states that a console must bring technological advances (it doesn't say from where, so the Wii would be valid as well) and innovation (which the controller does). The argument is over, and it's just devolved into the worst kind of argument. We're going in circles, and it isn't fun. Have a good one.

Again, next gen for nintendo and next gen for the industry are 2 separate things. When the 360 came out it did things far beyond what any console could do at the time. Not true with wiiu. Wii and ps360 dont even really compete, they have a completely different level of games. The wiiu looks to be designed all around competing with the ps360Cranler

Have a good one.

lundy86_4

[QUOTE="Cranler"]

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

It doesn't need to be. According to your link, a technological advance is necessary, and that is present in the Wii-U. You are undermining your own argument.

The gap of the technological advance is an arbitrary liomitation by you, so please, enough with the inane arguments.

We've covered this ground already.

cainetao11

Again, next gen for nintendo and next gen for the industry are 2 separate things. When the 360 came out it did things far beyond what any console could do at the time. Not true with wiiu. Wii and ps360 dont even really compete, they have a completely different level of games. The wiiu looks to be designed all around competing with the ps360.

No. A generation has the console manufacturers LATEST consoles in it. Notice, the plurals. This is the way it is done here. If you dont agree, that's cool. Freedom is what I defend. But maybe you would be more at home in another forum. Everyone knows there are things in SW that can be scrutinized. It doesnt revolve around your opinion, nor mine.cainetao11

[QUOTE="cainetao11"]No. A generation has the console manufacturers LATEST consoles in it. Notice, the plurals. This is the way it is done here. If you dont agree, that's cool. Freedom is what I defend. But maybe you would be more at home in another forum. Everyone knows there are things in SW that can be scrutinized. It doesnt revolve around your opinion, nor mine.Cranler

[QUOTE="santoron"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

who's looking forward to voting on new rules for downloadable games?

CaseyWegner

it sure is. can you just picture the thread title..."Should downloadable games count as full games when comparing systems?" and having the outcome finally mean something?

When the Xbox Next Xbox 720 ect ect comes out in 2013

Can't believe this is still being argued so voraciously. We've had systems with widely disparate technologies coexist in gens repeatedly. What's the fuss now?santoron

What's a gaming generation? My PC doesn't understand this strange concept of yours' :P

GarGx1

When Sony says so :lol:SamiRDuran

gonna be hard to hear them with a mouth full of water

[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="cainetao11"]No. A generation has the console manufacturers LATEST consoles in it. Notice, the plurals. This is the way it is done here. If you dont agree, that's cool. Freedom is what I defend. But maybe you would be more at home in another forum. Everyone knows there are things in SW that can be scrutinized. It doesnt revolve around your opinion, nor mine.cainetao11

[QUOTE="cainetao11"][QUOTE="Cranler"] A next gen game console that has no next gen games and is the first nintendo console to directly compete against the ps360. That makes a lot of sense.Cranler

good points and exact to what i was thinking

what if nintendo next gen decideds to make a snes tech system all over again next gen .... i wouldn't consider that next gen

[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="cainetao11"] the term exclusive can de defined as excluding one of a group. As in saloons during the building of the rail roads in the US excluding blacks, but allowing whites and the asian workers of said rail roads. By that logical definition, PC/360 games exclude the PS3, and therefore are exclusive. But not here in SW. that isnt the definition of exclusive here. This is how it works. Again, if you dont like it, there are other forums. And Zombie U is not on the PS3 or 360 but will be on the Wii U. A next gen title. EDIT: also, the Wii did compete directly with the PS3 and 360. Many people went to the store, and spent their money on the Wii instead of a PS3 or 360. GoneRabbid

good points and exact to what i was thinking

what if nintendo next gen decideds to make a snes tech system all over again next gen .... i wouldn't consider that next gen

Wii the Ninty Wii U comes out.

well the start of the 8th gen happened with 3ds ,

but the console gen starts with wii u , not when graphics are updated not when you want it , it starts when ever a successor to a previous console from any of the big 3 is released,

i dont want to hear oh but the 720 ps4 will be 10 x more powerful , we dont know anything firm we dont even have a date price or line up for these consoles let alone actual specs that are proven to be confirmed by sony or microsoft , and to prove a point

ps1 was the weakest console compared to the n64 but no one called ps1 out dated

\no one called dc or ps2 out dated

so same works here

Historically, new generations have begun when a new system comes out and starts a new cycle.

well the start of the 8th gen happened with 3ds ,

but the console gen starts with wii u , not when graphics are updated not when you want it , it starts when ever a successor to a previous console from any of the big 3 is released,

i dont want to hear oh but the 720 ps4 will be 10 x more powerful , we dont know anything firm we dont even have a date price or line up for these consoles let alone actual specs that are proven to be confirmed by sony or microsoft , and to prove a point

ps1 was the weakest console compared to the n64 but no one called ps1 out dated

\no one called dc or ps2 out dated

so same works here

mariokart64fan

Historically, new generations have begun when a new system comes out and starts a new cycle.

AgentA-Mi6

[QUOTE="fadersdream"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

should be an all or nothing thing. considering the way things have been here for the past few years, i'm pretty sure the votes will favor the "all."

CaseyWegner

the vote wouldn't involve something like determining what kind of downloadable game would count. it would be whether they count or not in general. you don't think plants vs zombies should count as a full game though?

When Sony says it does.

BPoole96

When I upgrade my PC.

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[QUOTE="Cranler"]Not my fault youre inept at finding something that took me seconds. COD 2 had great graphics fori ts time but its terrible now. COD 2 720p is much better than BO 2 at 1080p now. Wheres the next gen upcoming wiiu games?Cranler

Quote the exact term. Stop being a baby.

Now you're just applying your arbitrary limitations to try and prove your point. We've meandered into the "Cranler's opinions are sh*t" territory :)

Could NSMBU be done the PS3? Could ZombiU?

No, they require the GamePad.

Edit: Nintendoland applies here as well; the asymmetric touch screen motion-controlled gameplay is impossible on other systems other than wii u.

Ergo new technology, ergo even if you don't use the release date argument the wii u counts, thanks to the new technology included (gamepad).

The only reason ZombiU isn't mindblowing and Gears is to you is because you don't like nintendo, you like MS, and you don't like new control methods, you like graphics. All of these are opinions.

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[QUOTE="Cranler"]oblivikn and gears couldbt be done on the xbox, even in sd without major graphics downgrading. Nintendo is showing nothing we havent seen beforeCranler

It's apparent you aren't reading my posts. If you wish to be enlightened, refer to my previous posts, in which i've already addressed what you keep repeating.

Get back to me when you've detailed how the gameplay can be the same on Nintendoland on the 360.

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[QUOTE="Cranler"]Wiiu could be classified as a next gen console if it had games that ps360 couldnt run.Cranler

This is not a pre-requisite... Anywhere.

Last of Us was the most impressive console game shown at e3. Pretty embarassing for nintendo. 360 overshadowed everything at e3 2005.Cranler

Read through my posts, seriously.

next generation used to describe a product that has been developed using the latest technology and will probably replace an existing product http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/business-english/next-generation

Nothing there about some company whose 6 years late to the game.

According to youre rationale the 360 started a new gen then the ps 3 started another gen after that.

Just wait for the e3 the year the 720 launches, then we'll see some real next gen games.

Latest technology, like according to rumors, the Radeon HD 6xxx series DX10.1 capable, a tri core out of order execution SMP 45nm processor, a high-speed low-latency wireless controller linkup for display + motion + buttons, and replaces the Wii, an existing product in the 360/ps3/wii generation.

Meets your definition for sure.

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[QUOTE="Cranler"]

next generation used to describe a product that has been developed using the latest technology and will probably replace an existing producthttp://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/business-english/next-generation

Nothing there about some company whose 6 years late to the game.

According to youre rationale the 360 started a new gen then the ps 3 started another gen after that.

Just wait for the e3 the year the 720 launches, then we'll see some real next gen games.

Cranler

MS then added tablet features to the 360 and continued pushing the 360 further towards a mainstream/casual audience in direct competition with Wii, with games like Just Dance being popular on both systems.

Did they not?

[QUOTE="cainetao11"][QUOTE="Cranler"] Free dictionary.com:5. a. A stage or period of sequential technological development and innovation. Is Arkham City or ME 3 1080p? COD 2 was DX9 and 720p. Thats would be todays equivalent of 1080p and dx11.Cranler

Nintendo showed next gen games impossible on current gen hardware, like Nintendoland and NSMBU and ZombiU and Rayman Legends. You don't like them because you don't like nintendo.

They are impossible on the 360, and they are utilizing the next gen features of the hardware like the tablet controller.

[QUOTE="cainetao11"]No. A generation has the console manufacturers LATEST consoles in it. Notice, the plurals. This is the way it is done here. If you dont agree, that's cool. Freedom is what I defend. But maybe you would be more at home in another forum. Everyone knows there are things in SW that can be scrutinized. It doesnt revolve around your opinion, nor mine.Cranler

To handle the loss of gaming marketshare to the ps360.

[QUOTE="cainetao11"][QUOTE="Cranler"] A next gen game console that has no next gen games and is the first nintendo console to directly compete against the ps360. That makes a lot of sense.Cranler

Keep thinking your 360 is the shooterbox and a comfy home for core games, everyone is going after that sweet casual money.

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