when will 360 show graphics like Uncharted 2/Killzone2?

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="siddhu33"]

It probably will, Sony thinks that the PS3 can last for 10 years :lol:

They stated it was a 10 year console. That doesn't mean the PS4 won't release until that 10 year cycle has ended.

It will more than likely happen much like the PS2-PS3, as the PS2 is still supported.

The question is, can Sony even afford to match up with the X-Box 720 when they've now lost nearly 5 billion smackeroonies off of the gaming division? I also forgot to mention that if those 1st party devs give the same amount of time & money for both Killzone 2 & Uncharted 2 on the 360, it will look exactly the same on the 360.

[QUOTE="garland51"]

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

They stated it was a 10 year console. That doesn't mean the PS4 won't release until that 10 year cycle has ended.

It will more than likely happen much like the PS2-PS3, as the PS2 is still supported.

thekey

The question is, can Sony even afford to match up with the X-Box 720 when they've now lost nearly 5 billion smackeroonies off of the gaming division? I also forgot to mention that if those 1st party devs give the same amount of time & money for both Killzone 2 & Uncharted 2 on the 360, it will look exactly the same on the 360.

Sure, but if they learn to work their way around that, then they can. Trust me. No game is impossible to do on the 360, & no game is impossible to do on the PS3. The only difference is that PS3 is more costly & harder to develop or port games on.

[QUOTE="ChrisJ2004"]

[QUOTE="VeryGnawty"]

I wouldn't judge a game i've never played

VeryGnawty

Okay, I want you to describe in great detail what you didn't like about Gears Of War 2. Include information that can't be gotten from videos and proves you played it. I'd be glad to do the same with Killzone 2 and Uncharted 2.

go read my review

Yeah, just what I thought. You haven't played it. You didn't mention a single thing that shows you actually played it. Plus, I can't help but notice you only reviewed xbox 360 games :D We all knew you were a Cow as you were never good a thiding it but this is just undeniable proof.

[QUOTE="VeryGnawty"]

[QUOTE="ChrisJ2004"]

Okay, I want you to describe in great detail what you didn't like about Gears Of War 2. Include information that can't be gotten from videos and proves you played it. I'd be glad to do the same with Killzone 2 and Uncharted 2.

ChrisJ2004

go read my review

Yeah, just what I thought. You haven't played it. You didn't mention a single thing that shows you actually played it. Plus, I can't help but notice you only reviewed xbox 360 games :D We all knew you were a Cow as you were never good a thiding it but this is just undeniable proof.

Think what you want to think. But I know if i've played a game.

[QUOTE="ChrisJ2004"]

[QUOTE="VeryGnawty"]

go read my review

VeryGnawty

Yeah, just what I thought. You haven't played it. You didn't mention a single thing that shows you actually played it. Plus, I can't help but notice you only reviewed xbox 360 games :D We all knew you were a Cow as you were never good a thiding it but this is just undeniable proof.

Think what you want to think. But I know if i've played a game.

Then why didn't you give examples to why you didn't like it? Nothing you said showed that you had played it. You didn't even mention anything about the game that couldn't be known from videos. Hell, your "it lagged and I couldn't get a game" proves you didn't try it. Even if you had played it, the "1.0" proves your a biased Cow.

Just admit it. You're a Cow and you can't accept your "competition's" accomplishments.

Prove me wrong: tell me something from the game that no one who hasn't played it would know. Okay, I got one: how many arteries total does the worm have?

360 has been out a year longer than PS3 but PS3 is way ahead of them in graphics when it comes to exlusives. Uncharted 2 (and 1 lol) and Killzone 2, MGS4 are way superior in the graphics department. Gears 2 shows very little improvements and Halo ODST is laughable. Doesn't this confirm that developers are holding back on multiplatform games when it comes to the PS3?

neomatrix909

Prove me wrong: tell me something from the game that no one who hasn't played it would know. Okay, I got one: how many arteries total does the worm have?

ChrisJ2004

4

[QUOTE="ChrisJ2004"]

Prove me wrong: tell me something from the game that no one who hasn't played it would know. Okay, I got one: how many arteries total does the worm have?

VeryGnawty

4

Haha! Had to go check on YouTube? No. It had 9. The last heart has 4. The first two have 5 together.

You haven't played Gears of War 2. Proven. Now leave.

[QUOTE="VeryGnawty"]

[QUOTE="ChrisJ2004"]

Prove me wrong: tell me something from the game that no one who hasn't played it would know. Okay, I got one: how many arteries total does the worm have?

ChrisJ2004

4

Haha! Had to go check on YouTube? No. It had 9. The last heart has 4. The first two have 5 together.

You haven't played Gears of War 2. Proven. Now leave.

It's been a while since I played it, anyway. But I don't care about proving to you that i've played it. You're just a blind xbot.

[QUOTE="garland51"]

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

They stated it was a 10 year console. That doesn't mean the PS4 won't release until that 10 year cycle has ended.

It will more than likely happen much like the PS2-PS3, as the PS2 is still supported.

thekey

The question is, can Sony even afford to match up with the X-Box 720 when they've now lost nearly 5 billion smackeroonies off of the gaming division? I also forgot to mention that if those 1st party devs give the same amount of time & money for both Killzone 2 & Uncharted 2 on the 360, it will look exactly the same on the 360.

All right, now thatis total BS. The PS3 resorts to installing data onto the HDD for increased loading times, while also repeating data onto the Blu-Ray for speed purposes. Also, the only thing uncompressed on the PS3 is audio, and that took up the bulk of the MGS4 disc.

[QUOTE="ChrisJ2004"]

[QUOTE="VeryGnawty"]

4

VeryGnawty

Haha! Had to go check on YouTube? No. It had 9. The last heart has 4. The first two have 5 together.

You haven't played Gears of War 2. Proven. Now leave.

It's been a while since I played it, anyway. But I don't care about proving to you that i've played it. You're just a blind xbot.

I'm a blind Xbot? I own a PC. I don't need an Xbox 360. The PS3 is by far the superior system starting 2009. There.

Go ahead and give me an in-depth description of your experience with Gears Of War 2. Until then, I've proven you haven't played it. If you had, you wouldn't have forgotten something so important about a major part of the game.

Also, whoever said more storage means better looking games knows nothing about anything. The PS3 games have a crap load of redundant data and the xbox 360 uses compression. For FPS, a DVD9 is plenty of space and ther'es no difference between the two.

360 has been out a year longer than PS3 but PS3 is way ahead of them in graphics when it comes to exlusives. Uncharted 2 (and 1 lol) and Killzone 2, MGS4 are way superior in the graphics department. Gears 2 shows very little improvements and Halo ODST is laughable. Doesn't this confirm that developers are holding back on multiplatform games when it comes to the PS3?

neomatrix909

They aren't exactly holding back the PS3, it's just that when you port a game from the 360 to the PS3, it doesn't take advantage of CPU and sacrifices must be made to get it running well without using the 7 SPE's.

i have all 3 systems but im so tired of still clicking System Wars and seeing at least 2 topics about OMG UNCHARTED 2 AND KILLZONE 2 KILL3R GRAF1X!!!

[QUOTE="ChrisJ2004"]

[QUOTE="VeryGnawty"]

go read my review

VeryGnawty

Yeah, just what I thought. You haven't played it. You didn't mention a single thing that shows you actually played it. Plus, I can't help but notice you only reviewed xbox 360 games :D We all knew you were a Cow as you were never good a thiding it but this is just undeniable proof.

Think what you want to think. But I know if i've played a game.

If you've played the game, then you must have very strange tastes in games. I could understand someone not thinking it's great but to think that it's the worst game ever is just ridiculous. You're taste in games is different than pretty much every other gamer. You are definately a fanboy and not a gamer. Why not review some games that you have played and liked? You're review is so obvious to just get people upset, but in the end you look like a total fanboy that even Sony fanboys would be embarrased.

[QUOTE="Renzokucant"][QUOTE="neomatrix909"]

360 has been out a year longer than PS3 but PS3 is way ahead of them in graphics when it comes to exlusives. Uncharted 2 (and 1 lol) and Killzone 2, MGS4 are way superior in the graphics department. Gears 2 shows very little improvements and Halo ODST is laughable. Doesn't this confirm that developers are holding back on multiplatform games when it comes to the PS3?

Just b ecause Uncharted 2 is the current graphics king doesnt mean that 360 isnt capable of amazing graphics, perhaps youve never seen Gears of War 2 or Nuts and bolts graphics have you?

[QUOTE="ChrisJ2004"]

[QUOTE="VeryGnawty"]

4

VeryGnawty

Haha! Had to go check on YouTube? No. It had 9. The last heart has 4. The first two have 5 together.

You haven't played Gears of War 2. Proven. Now leave.

It's been a while since I played it, anyway. But I don't care about proving to you that i've played it. You're just a blind xbot.

I can't believe you would call someone else a blind fanboy!

[QUOTE="VeryGnawty"]

[QUOTE="ChrisJ2004"]

Haha! Had to go check on YouTube? No. It had 9. The last heart has 4. The first two have 5 together.

You haven't played Gears of War 2. Proven. Now leave.

RickLemieux

It's been a while since I played it, anyway. But I don't care about proving to you that i've played it. You're just a blind xbot.

I can't believe you would call someone else a blind fanboy!

Blind fanboys do that when they can't accept a different opinion. The funny part, though, is that I'm a bigger PS3 fan than a Xbox 360 fan :D

[QUOTE="RickLemieux"]

[QUOTE="VeryGnawty"]

It's been a while since I played it, anyway. But I don't care about proving to you that i've played it. You're just a blind xbot.

ChrisJ2004

I can't believe you would call someone else a blind fanboy!

Blind fanboys do that when they can't accept a different opinion. The funny part, though, is that I'm a bigger PS3 fan than a Xbox 360 fan :D

After this year, I am too, but I'm embarrassed to tell people when he posts things.

360 has been out a year longer than PS3 but PS3 is way ahead of them in graphics when it comes to exlusives. Uncharted 2 (and 1 lol) and Killzone 2, MGS4 are way superior in the graphics department. Gears 2 shows very little improvements and Halo ODST is laughable. Doesn't this confirm that developers are holding back on multiplatform games when it comes to the PS3?

neomatrix909

What? There are so many problems with your thread and post... Being out a year longer would NOT at all give you an advantage in graphics, the PS3 has better hardware because of that reason alone, lol. So please, don't say anything like that ever again.

Gears of War 2 showed many improvements and Halo ODST is an expansion. That's all I have to say lol.

And then your last sentence just completely throws your thread out the window. Much different question than "when will 360 show graphics like Uncharted 2/Killzone2?" which is already quite an unintelligent and vague question in itself.

All in all, graphics on consoles should never be debated based on games. Microsoft does not tell developers what their games should look like. Look at the hardware of the system and then you can see which console can truly outperform the other.

Also, I'd like to add that the debate is outdated, considering PC beats both of these... lol.

Not only do PCs beat both ... low-priced, budget PCs murder both :D

Not only do PCs beat both ... low-priced, budget PCs murder both :D

ChrisJ2004

*high five*

Spent less money than a PS3 + it's necessary accessories and still get better performance and alot more... since it is a computer :P.

[QUOTE="vaderhater"]

[QUOTE="Renzokucant"] in a word, never.Mr_Splosher

LOL. 3rd party developers aren't holding back on multiplats when it comes to the PS3. Why would they want to waste more of their money or even more development time just trying to get PS3 versions of games to look on par or even better than 360 when they're still stuck in 3rd place? And not to mention that multiplats really don't even sell well on PS3 compared to 360?

the only game with great graphics on the pc im interested in is crysis, everything else is doodoo or low ranked metacritic games

Something you fail to notice, U2, KZ2, MGS4 are all first party games. So they will get more support than devs making multiplat games.

clyde46

Never. The Xbox 360 has inadequate power to run games like the PS3 had.

Gears Of War 1-2 and Mass Effect look as good as U2 and Killzone 2

themerlin

360 has been out a year longer than PS3 but PS3 is way ahead of them in graphics when it comes to exlusives. Uncharted 2 (and 1 lol) and Killzone 2, MGS4 are way superior in the graphics department. Gears 2 shows very little improvements and Halo ODST is laughable. Doesn't this confirm that developers are holding back on multiplatform games when it comes to the PS3?

neomatrix909

360 has been out a year longer than PS3 but PS3 is way ahead of them in graphics when it comes to exlusives. Uncharted 2 (and 1 lol) and Killzone 2, MGS4 are way superior in the graphics department. Gears 2 shows very little improvements and Halo ODST is laughable. Doesn't this confirm that developers are holding back on multiplatform games when it comes to the PS3?

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

[QUOTE="Zaibach"]

I have seen nor played any game on my 360 that can attend the same class as U2 and KZ2. Both games have had over 100 reviews between them and they all say what I've just said

thekey

saying uc2 and kz2 having the 'best graphics' is one thing, but saying the 360 cant handle them is something totally different

hardware-wise, the ps3 and 360 are pretty much equal.... making games with these kinds of graphics is all up to the dev, the hardware is there for both consoles

um... yeah... are you sure the reason its been selling relatively well wasnt cause the recent price drop? not the games?

I think i posted in this topic a while back? il post again anyway.

No, i dont think the 360 will show Uncharted 2 level graphics, ever. Thats not because of some hardware limitation (im pretty sure the 360 could have a game that looks as good), but because of MS' attitude. Buying timed-exclusives and Episodic content instead of letting a 1st-party nurture their skills on 360 hardware

[QUOTE="neomatrix909"]

360 has been out a year longer than PS3 but PS3 is way ahead of them in graphics when it comes to exlusives. Uncharted 2 (and 1 lol) and Killzone 2, MGS4 are way superior in the graphics department. Gears 2 shows very little improvements and Halo ODST is laughable. Doesn't this confirm that developers are holding back on multiplatform games when it comes to the PS3?

They aren't exactly holding back the PS3, it's just that when you port a game from the 360 to the PS3, it doesn't take advantage of CPU and sacrifices must be made to get it running well without using the 7 SPE's.

[QUOTE="thekey"][QUOTE="ogvampire"]

saying uc2 and kz2 having the 'best graphics' is one thing, but saying the 360 cant handle them is something totally different

hardware-wise, the ps3 and 360 are pretty much equal.... making games with these kinds of graphics is all up to the dev, the hardware is there for both consoles

um... yeah... are you sure the reason its been selling relatively well wasnt cause the recent price drop? not the games?

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

[QUOTE="thekey"] No there not equal. Thats like saying a diablo and a ferrari is equal. Both are cars that need gas to run but run very differently. Not possible. PS3 is a best now the people are starting to recongize it. The games are of higher quality than the 360's. Thats why the PS3 is now starting to sell so well.thekey

um... yeah... are you sure the reason its been selling relatively well wasnt cause the recent price drop? not the games?

considering that the ps3 hasnt had any massive sellers during this period... i would venture to say the ONLY reason the ps3 has been selling well is the price drop and great advertising, not games.

[QUOTE="thekey"][QUOTE="garland51"]

The question is, can Sony even afford to match up with the X-Box 720 when they've now lost nearly 5 billion smackeroonies off of the gaming division? I also forgot to mention that if those 1st party devs give the same amount of time & money for both Killzone 2 & Uncharted 2 on the 360, it will look exactly the same on the 360.

All right, now thatis total BS. The PS3 resorts to installing data onto the HDD for increased loading times, while also repeating data onto the Blu-Ray for speed purposes. Also, the only thing uncompressed on the PS3 is audio, and that took up the bulk of the MGS4 disc.

[QUOTE="thekey"][QUOTE="ogvampire"]

um... yeah... are you sure the reason its been selling relatively well wasnt cause the recent price drop? not the games?

considering that the ps3 hasnt had any massive sellers during this period... i would venture to say the ONLY reason the ps3 has been selling well is the price drop and great advertising, not games.

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

[QUOTE="thekey"] The reasons for the increase in sales is because of price drop and the recent game releases also.thekey

considering that the ps3 hasnt had any massive sellers during this period... i would venture to say the ONLY reason the ps3 has been selling well is the price drop and great advertising, not games.

are you just making things up? :|

do you have a link to those numbers? i cant find anywhere on the internet that says UC2 sold that much

I don't know if or when they can, but I think they don't need to. Console wars isn't just a beauty contest, just as long the games are quality and profitable in quantity, then they're fine.

Gears Of War 1-2 and Mass Effect look as good as U2 and Killzone 2

themerlin

This thread just proves that cows can't handle differences of opinion. I would like cows to demonstrate to me how their opinion on visuals=fact since they act like people are SOcrazy for disagreeing with them even going as far as to call those people childish. Cows get so nasty about graphics.

[QUOTE="themerlin"]

Gears Of War 1-2 and Mass Effect look as good as U2 and Killzone 2

fifamessi

What is laughable is the fact that cannot seperate the realm of subjectivity from the realm of objectivity.

[QUOTE="neomatrix909"]

360 has been out a year longer than PS3 but PS3 is way ahead of them in graphics when it comes to exlusives. Uncharted 2 (and 1 lol) and Killzone 2, MGS4 are way superior in the graphics department. Gears 2 shows very little improvements and Halo ODST is laughable. Doesn't this confirm that developers are holding back on multiplatform games when it comes to the PS3?

ioannisdenton

And Sony fans are SO open-minded. :roll: The obsessive brand loyalty shown by cows pretty much proves that not to be true. Also, their extreme anger and nastiness towards people who don't fall in line with their opinions on visuals shows their intolerance as well as their close-mindedness as well as their inability to seperate the realm of the subjective from the realm of objectivity.

This thread just proves that cows can't handle differences of opinion. I would like cows to demonstrate to me how their opinion on visuals=fact since they act like people are SOcrazy for disagreeing with them even going as far as to call those people childish. Cows get so nasty about graphics.

Tragic_Kingdom7

Remember last gen when they couldn't have many graphics kings thanks to the Xbox and Gamecube? They got revenge this gen afterwards.

[QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"]

This thread just proves that cows can't handle differences of opinion. I would like cows to demonstrate to me how their opinion on visuals=fact since they act like people are SOcrazy for disagreeing with them even going as far as to call those people childish. Cows get so nasty about graphics.

mitu123

Remember last gen when they couldn't have many graphics kings thanks to the Xbox and Gamecube? They got revenge this gen afterwards.

The thing is: I remember last gen cows would say that Xbox wasn't the be-all and end-all of visuals and I agreed with them. Now, when the consoles are much closer in technical visual prowess, they are virtually getting downright nasty when someone says that Gears even comes CLOSE to U2 or K2.

OK HERES AN HONEST OPINION, i play my 360 more than my ps3 I even by all my multiplats on 360 because of the online community, BUT THE TRUTH IS THAT THERE IS NO GAME ON THE 360 THAT LOOKS AS GOOD AS UNCHARTED 2 OR KILLZONE NOT EVEN GOW2. it comes close but its just not as good.

Xbox came out 2005, where PS3 07. Any-way your sad comparing graphics of to consoles years after release and if you judge a console by its graphics then you are even sadder. And I have noticed when a good graphical game on 360 is mentioned you guys are like 'Nah, not good enough' so even if we showed you a picture of Crysis on Max from a PC and said it was 360, you would be like 'Ps3 is better'