Where can I get a $500 4k gaming PC?

Console gaming cannot compete with the cost effectiveness of PC gaming over the long term. ;)

True but I will add also in the short/immediate term if we are honest. PC provides much more functionality than just playing games and also many more games to access at a lower cost so in the end PC has many more advantages than just the one-dimensional price-performance one. That's why for me comparing consoles with PC doesn't make much sense most of the time, PC is just a completely different device.

Where? I'll tell ya where, In your dreams.

Mighty X1X 4K BC MonsterBox.... Biggest bang for the buck ever.. Evah!!!

. It's good to be MasterRace. lol :P

You do realize you're saying gaming at a variable resolution with variable settings, at 30 FPS and below is better than playing the same game at an unchanging 2160p with settings of your choice at framerates higher than 30 FPS, just because it's cheaper and you can't afford a better experience, right?

It's okay to have buyer's remorse. Wanting something better is normal - you don't have to make up reasons to be happy with a $500 product that barely does what it advertises with fluctuating degrees of success.

It's the price we PC gamers pay for having an "open-platform" and because it's an open-platform, no one is going to spend the kind of money to make one of those story driven games for PC exclusively.

Unlike those other walled-garden platforms (Gaming Consoles) that need a gotcha (exclusives) to even get people to buy the damn things. And when people buy into such platforms, what they're essentially saying is "thank you for locking me into your platform" to the companies that controls those platforms.

When Sony created the Pro, why do you think they were trying to prevent gamers going to PC in the first place?

@blaznwiipspman1:https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jMP4kd

that system can play games at 4k at the same kind of level the X1X can, the CPU in that build is a little stronger than X1X.

However no way would I recommend anyone get a system like that to play 4K on lol

PC gaming got expensive, I got away from it when the crypto craze started, cards are rediculous, id say your better off getting the X. Cards that should be 80 bucks are going 200+ because of crypto bs. Microsoft is barely making money on the X they are selling near cost hoping you invest in live and gamepass.

You do know that craze died off like a year ago, right?

not necessarily true, it slowed down but miners are still buying cards, There is no reason for 1080ti to be 600+ dollars used

That depends on the gamer. ;)

@goldenelementxl: A year ago? More like 3 months ago. It started about a year ago.

exactly it hasnt died yet, but its close, we can hope this is the end so that gpu prices will go back to normal within a year, if it bounces back tho we are fucked so hope for it to completely bust

Crypto is not going away so easily, big companies are just starting to chime in. Luckily there are more energy and cost effective ways to mine or obtain coins now.

In the U.S.? I built 2 gaming PC's last year for family members and bought GTX 1060 and 1070 cards at MSRP in holiday 2017. Prices went up for a bit early 2018 but went right back down a couple months later. Summer 2018 saw GPUs at MSRP at all major retailers. This whole crypto craze ruining GPU prices thing is super exaggerated.

1080Ti's are $600 used because RTX 2080 cards are $800 new. The 1080Ti gets you more VRAM and very similar performance which is why the secondary market is so demanding. The used 1080Ti price has nothing to do with crypto and everything to do with the RTX 2080.

@goldenelementxl: out of curriosity what do you think a 1080ti should cost

According to the real world, prices have been "back to normal" since summer '18

Again, the internet and its hyperbole...

Well the launch price and MSRP is $699. The problem is, now the card isn't being manufactured anymore, and the second hand demand is high because if the cost and performance of the card that followed it. The second hand market is dictated by how much people will pay for things. I recently sold a 1080Ti, used for $650. I put it up on ebay and it was gone within hours. If that price was too high, no one would have bought it. If anything, I probably could have asked for more...

Nvidia is no longer producing GTX 1080Ti and for that reason, the remaining supplies prices have increase and once they're gone, they are gone for good. Supply in demand is high for the 1080Ti alone. Nvidia wants everyone to go buy RTX now.

30 fps on a TV versus a monitor are completely different experiences.

Sure you can. Using a 5 year investment window, owning a console from initial launch through 5 years is still cheaper (even when factoring in subscriptions).

@goldenelementxl: Bitcoin price peaked in mid December 2017 at about 18K US$. Early Feb 2018 saw a huge drop because of the Asian new year and Korean markets. Mining was still fairly profitable until summer 2018 and after that people slowly but surely stopped buying. You said it stopped a year ago which is wrong. It started a year ago, lasted a few months and died off around August. So yeah it died about 3 months ago. Not 12 months ago.

It's January 2019. As you stated, the plummet ocurred in February of 2018. GPU prices started dropping in May-June and we saw MSRP prices all summer of 2018. Even with my exaggeration, I'm still closer than your 3 months claim. The RTX cards came out 3 1/2 months ago. I bought a 1060 in July for under $200. 1070's were all sub $400 all summer long. That was over 6 months ago...

yeah prices haven't really adjusted yet, i heard there are cards in the works that are primarily made for mining, that will help. Mining has dropped like this before tho and bounced back so only time will tell, but it looks close to being dead right now

@goldenelementxl: Dude you’re wrong. Let it go. Prices started going down in summer but didn’t go back to normal until August 2018. 4-5 months ago. Not 1 year ago. It was at its craziest a year ago. I bought 3 1070s and 2 1080 Ti’s in Jan 2018 and the prices hadn’t skyrocketed yet. They went crazy in mid Jan 2018 and kept going up until around June then started falling down and went back to regular MSRP in August.

Any TV natively supports 60 Hz, so why should 30 fps be the target frame rate for consoles? Other than hardware limitations. I suppose there is the much higher input lag (response time) TV's have to monitors but even so, 60 fps at least would still be beneficial. Not even considering displays of 120 Hz and higher found only in the PC tech market.

Either you're using a $3500 PC (or higher) as an exaggerated reference point, or assuming pricing parity of games between consoles and PC. On this point I mean looking past the day 1 standard launch price of $60 (digital games shouldn't have the same retail price to begin with even on launch... a whole different can of worms) PC digital games drop in price far more frequently and much sooner compared to console games, either in their proprietary markets (XBL and PSN) or sold through Gamestop, Bestbuy, Walmart, etc...

Ummm Gold, Juub is right you know. When Bitcoin died 3 months ago, Nvidia was hoping the Miners would flock to go buy 2080Ti and it backfired on Nvidia. That's why Nvidia made it $1,200, they thought the mine craze was still going and it died 3 months. Nvidia waited too long to release those RTX and now, they are stuck with that price.

Why so many cards?

@goldenelementxl here you go. Prices in July 2018 were still way higher than MSRP.

Source

They went back to normal right around August.

I bought a radeon 580 4gb card used for $140 because it was a used mining card. It was almost $150 cheaper than what a new one would cost. Sadly, its not enough for 4k gaming, not that it really matters since my monitors are only 1080p

That's strange, because that card that can't do 4K performs around the same level of your glorious "$500 4K console"...

What's the point of this topic? Consoles have always been cheaper than PCs; that's their primary advantage, but PCs are generally more flexible and capable systems.

@Juub1990 said:

@goldenelementxl here you go. Prices in July 2018 were still way higher than MSRP.

Source

They went back to normal right around August.

Other than the 1070, 1080 and 1080Ti, the GPU prices looked pretty similar in May of 2018 as they did in July. Prices were down around 40% across the board. $30-$50 above msrp isn't some crime against humanity. Really, starting in May, the 1070 and 1080Ti was really the only outrageous markups on the Nvidia side. {Lol AMD} And I really don't agree with their, "current typical and current best" because I purchased cards in those months. I got a 3GB 1060 for $180 from Newegg in June. And $230 for a 1050Ti? No way... Early summer '18 the 70/80 cards were coming down quick. Like you said, In august things were back to normal. That's longer than 3 months ago. But lets not act like things were crazy different 2 months before your post. Because the May prices were creeping to your July prices already.

And lets not act like these $30-$50 markups are "ridiculous" like the poster I originally responded to claimed. If $30-$50 above msrp is gonna push you to console gaming over PC... Fine, whatever. You're gonna save that over a year of gaming though...

the facts are that my 580 can't do 4k gaming, while the x1x can. Id say the x1x is performing better than my card.

Nope. Console games generally keep getting better and better over the long-term. That is why gaming at the end of the consoles life is usually the best.

The PS4 launched in 2013 for $400. That price along with 5 years of PS+ subscriptions (~$45 for 5 year = $225) for a grand total of $625. A $625 dollar PC from 2013 is not going to perform well today.

I also disagree with game pricing. I can usually buy physical AAA titles for generally less than PC equivalents. I think Indie titles are generally cheaper on PC than on console.

lately psn has better sales than steam, hell i think i saw a bundle of prey and dishonered 2 for 15 bucks, the argument that games are cheaper on PC has dwindled. indies are pretty cheap on console now, except on switch, they stay relatively higher but they get away with it for being portable.

Not true if you shop around. You don't need to buy games from direct from Steam when you can buy a Steam key from another site. I bought Shadow of the Tomb Raider with all DLC season pass (Lara Croft Edition) for £24.99. It was still £80 on Steam, right now it's £34.99

I never pay full price for a game and regularly get new releases with DLC at 50% of RRP of the standard game.

Yes because Steam is the only place to purchase games.

And the RX 580 can do 60fps while the X1X can't.

@Juub1990: You are stating that the RX580 can do 4K at 60 fps? Across what games are achieving this benchmark?

When did I say the RX580 can do 4K/60fps? I said it can do 60fps while the Xbox One X can't.

Why the $500 goal marker?

Im pretty sure Xbox ONE + Xbox ONE S + Xbox ONE X cost way more than $500.00 for TC.

@Juub1990:

Your post was confusing. The XBOX One X can indeed run games at 60 fps at 1080. Are you suggesting otherwise?

Put and asterisk next to that because it can't run the vast majority of games at 60fps.

@Juub1990:

That asterisk also needs to be next to a $500 PC.

Indeed but only idiots will put a paltry 500$ on a gaming PC.

@Juub1990: It's wonderful that people like us can spend more than $500 on a gaming PC. Not everyone can. Probably not a good idea to look down at people who can't spend more than $500 on a device that plays video games.

Which is what consoles are for. Spending 500$ on a gaming PC simply isn't a smart choice. If you are budget-conscious, you're better off with a console at that price. You get what you pay for. It's really simple.

@Juub1990:

I'm not disputing you. My point is that gaming PC's are objectively more expensive than consoles. Gaming forums (this one included) keep maintaining this false narrative that gaming on the PC is cheaper. It isn't. PC gaming has more choices and offers more titles but it comes at a literal cost. They are more expensive. This constant bullshit that PC gamers can build a "console-killer" PC for less than the price of a console is just stupid and needs to stop.

@kaczmar: Gaming on PC can be cheaper or more expensive than on consoles. It’s up to you to decide.