Where can I get a $500 4k gaming PC?

Cap the frame rate at 30, remove a chunk of assets, lower the quality to low, add motion blur, lower the field of view and draw distance, accept frame dips, input delays and a comical aiming system like the consoles do, then you can achieve a garbage quality experience at a higher resolution

A PC isn't just a more expensive console

Keep begging in a niche forum for PC to not exist, it only confirms to everyone it's existence frustrates you

@kaczmar: nailed it! Even with all the so called cheap options for PC games, the price difference is huge for 4k gaming. Give me even a $1k gaming rig that can play 4k games like the x1x can, and I'll shut up about this. Sadly, there's no such thing. You need to at minimum buy a $2k rig to enter the 4k realm on pc.

The problem with PC gaming lately has been the lack of competition in the market. In reality it's just Intel for CPUs and Nvidia for graphics cards. The dumb ass PC gamers for all their bs about master race always buy Intel and nvidia. AMD tries to compete but before their ryzen CPUs, their products were 3 gens behind Intel. For GPUs, AMD is behind Nvidia there also and Nvidia has some kind of virtual monopoly there too. The GPU side of things don't make sense to me. AMD is very competitive with Nvidia but 80% of PC gamers still go with the more expensive Nvidia. The monopoly that Intel and Nvidia have formed in PC is a big reason why PC gaming has become so expensive. There is no competition, and because of this 4k gaming is prohibitively expensive on PC. It's gotten so bad, that a console at $500 is equivalent to a $2k PC for 4k gaming.

$500,?

They were on sale for under $400 during the holidays

Why would you need 2k pc to get xbox one x specs, where you pulling this shit from?

@neutrinoworks: if I had some extra $$, I would have picked one up along with a 4k tv.

TC is pretending the X1X is running games at 4k ,ultra settings and 60fps as if x1x has a 1080ti inside.

On Forza horizon 4 I can get similar results with an X1X on my $150 Rx570 considering the x1x is running it at 30fps at 4k

X1X according to digital foundry is mostly at ultra settings with SSAO at medium and MSAA at 4x . With very similar settings with a mere rx 570 i achieve locked 30 fps

You do know there are other places like GMG , GOG , humble bundle etc you can get games cheaper than steam . Dishonored 2 you can get it for 6 euros likewise for prey

lol "Xbox ONE X can do 4k" and proceeds to mention the GTX 1080 ti, what is the point of this thread? if all you wanted to do was reassure your own bias why couldn't you just blog it like every los..err..I mean, really really REALLY cool person that people care so much about?

@adamosmaki said:

TC is pretending the X1X is running games at 4k ,ultra settings and 60fps as if x1x has a 1080ti inside.

On Forza horizon 4 I can get similar results with an X1X on my $150 Rx570 considering the x1x is running it at 30fps at 4k

X1X according to digital foundry is mostly at ultra settings with SSAO at medium and MSAA at 4x . With very similar settings with a mere rx 570 i achieve locked 30 fps

Forza on Xbox has better static geometry and better screen reflections than Ultra PC settings

Xbox is also 4xMSAA

And HDR has a minor performance impact on PC too (benchmark above doesn't use HDR)

Talks about lack of competition. Proceeds to say only Intel is viable for gaming CPUs....... Then mentions AMD Ryzen. What? AMD now offers close enough performance for half the price of Intel. But given that CPUs can commonly last upwards of ~5 years in a system, it's going to take some time before AMD gets back a lot of market share as people are going to wait to upgrade until they have to or until it's so compelling they want to.

Also, No. AMD is NOT competitive with Nvidia in the high-end GPU market space. It sucks, but it's the sad reality. Their best card only performs about as good as a GTX 1080 (an over 2.5 year old card), while running hotter. This is why a lot of enthusiasts choose Nvidia. Nvidia knows this and charges a premium for their cards. Meanwhile AMD has no real counter for the 1080 Ti, 2070, 2080, and 2080 Ti.

As others have said, your precious Xbox isn't running the vast majority of games at native 4K. It uses checkerboard rendering (or "faux-K") at 30fps with downgraded visuals to achieve this. The resolution can even dip as low as 1080p and the fps dips into the 20s as well. This is not the same as PC's LOCKED 4K resolution. Settings will differ depending on setup, but with a GTX 1080 Ti (for example), detail settings will be at max and frames in the mid 40s. Not ideal for PC, but still far superior to the Xbox X and PS4 Pro. So no, they are far from "equivalent".

@neutrinoworks said:

@adamosmaki said:

TC is pretending the X1X is running games at 4k ,ultra settings and 60fps as if x1x has a 1080ti inside.

On Forza horizon 4 I can get similar results with an X1X on my $150 Rx570 considering the x1x is running it at 30fps at 4k

X1X according to digital foundry is mostly at ultra settings with SSAO at medium and MSAA at 4x . With very similar settings with a mere rx 570 i achieve locked 30 fps

Forza on Xbox has better static geometry and better screen reflections than Ultra PC settings

Xbox is also 4xMSAA

And HDR has a minor performance impact on PC too (benchmark above doesn't use HDR)

No it doesn't.

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2018-forza-horizon-4-pc-is-one-patch-away-from-perfection

Yes it does have 4xMsaa but then again its SSAO setting is a notch down from the PC ultra setting

Also as for geometry there was a bug that made static trees in the background look worst than X1X but probably they fixed that

@adamosmaki said:

@neutrinoworks said:

@adamosmaki said:

TC is pretending the X1X is running games at 4k ,ultra settings and 60fps as if x1x has a 1080ti inside.

On Forza horizon 4 I can get similar results with an X1X on my $150 Rx570 considering the x1x is running it at 30fps at 4k

X1X according to digital foundry is mostly at ultra settings with SSAO at medium and MSAA at 4x . With very similar settings with a mere rx 570 i achieve locked 30 fps

Forza on Xbox has better static geometry and better screen reflections than Ultra PC settings

Xbox is also 4xMSAA

And HDR has a minor performance impact on PC too (benchmark above doesn't use HDR)

No it doesn't.

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2018-forza-horizon-4-pc-is-one-patch-away-from-perfection

Yes it does have 4xMsaa but then again its SSAO setting is a notch down from the PC ultra setting

Also as for geometry there was a bug that made static trees in the background look worst than X1X but probably they fixed that

Digital foundry video is my source, I'm just repeating what that video said

A 1070 + i5-4690 will play 99.99% of all games at 4k/30+FPS at Ultra settings and you'll get that for around 1k. An Xbox One X plays most games at checkerboard 4k with med-high settings and the selection of available 4k titles is only around 100 or so, while you can literally play thousands of games in true 4k with this system. Older games will even easily run at 4k/60FPS.

You're mistaken, AMD is and always has been competitive with Nvidia, its Intel they're not competitive with. I believe the vega 64 is a great card, it matches up with even the 1080, and the 2070 fairly well. Even against the 1080Ti, the vega 64 puts up a good fight. Its only the highest tier cards where AMD doesn't compete, such as the 2080Ti, and whatever nvidia decides to bring out next. I guess nvidia marketting has done its job well when a hardcore pc gamer don't even know that much yet I do.

The cpu market is a completely different story. Intel completely demolishes AMD on that front, there really isn't any comparison. Intel is better at every single segment, low end to mid tier to high end to ultra high end. Only with their ryzen cpu's have they put up something semi worth while.

Theres monopolies in both the CPU and the GPU market, so its not really a surprise that pc gaming is so expensive, and gotten to a point that you need a $2k PC to play 4k games at a level comparable to a $500 x1x. Sure the x1x doesn't have all the features, but it runs amazingly well and its optimized right at the metal. Something that doesn't happen for the PC.

I can assemble an i5-8600 PC with an RTX 2080, 512 GB M.2 SSD, and 64-bit Windows 10 for less than US$1500 and that's sticking with a single vendor (newegg.com). I'm not even hunting around for cheap prices.

Plus, it'll do all the other things you need other expensive gadgets for should you have to match what a PC can do.

Perhaps, a laptop might hit $2k like my wife's Sager. But, we're talking desktop PCs here.

What'd you say?

At this point, @blaznwiipspman1 has shown himself to be an absolute moron. Has any evidence been provided by him? I see plenty to rebut his posts.

X1X last month was $400 or lower. No PC can beat it at that price and the GPU in the 1X is basically a RX 580 more powerful than the 570.

@xhawk27: Please dont speak of things you know nothing of.

What are you basing this on?

Based on AMDs spec for the 570 and 580 the 580 tops out a 6.2 TFLOPS while the 570 is 5.1 TFLOPS.

I've been building PCs for two decades. I think I know a little about hardware.

@xhawk27: You think you can lie to me? We both know you're too broke to even get a X1X. Now you can afford multiple Pc's? Gtfoohwtbs.

You can actually run 4K 30FPS in Ultra settings with an RX 580, which is better than the xbox one x, you clearly haven't done enough research on this topic, of course it'll most likely be more than 500, but 1500 isn't even close to the bare minimum.

Over 20 years, yes I have owned multiple PCs. Believe what you want, I do not care.

@xhawk27: You care. I know you do.

The GPU in the X1X is basically a RX 580 clocked lowered.

Sure I do.

@xhawk27: Dont be stealing @scatteh316 's gifs.

@DragonfireXZ95 said:

@blaznwiipspman1 said:

@kaczmar: nailed it! Even with all the so called cheap options for PC games, the price difference is huge for 4k gaming. Give me even a $1k gaming rig that can play 4k games like the x1x can, and I'll shut up about this. Sadly, there's no such thing. You need to at minimum buy a $2k rig to enter the 4k realm on pc.

The problem with PC gaming lately has been the lack of competition in the market. In reality it's just Intel for CPUs and Nvidia for graphics cards. The dumb ass PC gamers for all their bs about master race always buy Intel and nvidia. AMD tries to compete but before their ryzen CPUs, their products were 3 gens behind Intel. For GPUs, AMD is behind Nvidia there also and Nvidia has some kind of virtual monopoly there too. The GPU side of things don't make sense to me. AMD is very competitive with Nvidia but 80% of PC gamers still go with the more expensive Nvidia. The monopoly that Intel and Nvidia have formed in PC is a big reason why PC gaming has become so expensive. There is no competition, and because of this 4k gaming is prohibitively expensive on PC. It's gotten so bad, that a console at $500 is equivalent to a $2k PC for 4k gaming.

What'd you say?

He's not going to respond.

He's your slave now.

WTF put in bold.

Dude, get a clue.... If we were talking about laptops, you'd be right. But we aren't. Ryzen 2 is pretty competitive CPUs for performance against Intel right now and especially for the price, only falling behind marginally. Threadripper is also a great choice for HEDT. And many businesses are switching to AMD Epyc server processors, leaving the overpriced Intel Xeons behind.

Do you really not know how shaken Intel is right now by the "core-wars"? They got flat out embarrassed at Computex 2018 by showing off a 28 core "5Ghz" processor. What they didn't mention was that it was being used with a water chiller. Not water cooling, but a chiller. Basically an AC unit to keep temps under control. This was a panic response after AMD showed their 32 core Threadripper processor a day or two before Intel took the stage.

And you basically just reiterated what I said about AMD GPUs, so I'm not sure what your point is with that... AMD is competitive in low to mid-range, but Nvidia dominates the enthusiast sector. "This is why a lot of enthusiasts choose Nvidia" That's what I said. Why? They have the high-end performance AMD does not. It's not "marketing", it's a sad fact. Navi needs turns things around or else Nvidia will become the complacent Intel of a few years ago.

Not sure you know what a monopoly is either. It's a duopoly if anything.

When did I go back to 2017?

Yeah, but you can render 4k res on a 1080p monitor with DSR and it will look close to native 4k.

@goldenelementxl: I guess these two look the same to you then, right?: https://imgur.com/gallery/FIpu7

@rmpumper: There is no such thing as 4k on 1080p. The max resolution you will get is 1080p. A better quality image does not make it 4k or similar to it. Resolutions are absolutes.

Uh, no. Ignoring that the 4K image is MUCH larger when you click on it, the 1080p image is softer and blurrier. And I can tell this on a 1440p monitor.

I guess you don't know how to fix the image to screen rather than zoom in to 1:1 res. Not my problem.

That simply makes it a 1080p image. :)

Well, I guess AA does not work as well then, but all the fucking idiots use it to improve image quality for no reason, right?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=is_J_otYnpE

Getting a bit hostile there buddy. You made a nonsensical claim "Yeah, but you can render 4k res on a 1080p monitor with DSR and it will look close to native 4k."

If you are looking at a 4k image on a 1080p monitor your are looking at 1080p image. There is no "looking close to native 4k" on a 1080p monitor. You can make the claim in reverse as in a 1080p upres image looking close to native 4k but not the other way around.

It makes a sharper 1080p image with not jaggies. If both 1080p and 4k images (with no AA) look the same on 1080p monitor to you, you are fucking blind.

You missed one tincy wincy detail, the 1080p image DOES NOT LOOK CLOSE TO NATIVE 4K on a 1080p display. :)

What are you even talking about? DSR 4K is 4K image on 1080p monitor (if that is what you have). Who is talking about 1080p on 1080p looking as good as 4k on 4k? Are you drunk or on drugs?

@rmpumper: "...but you can render 4k res on a 1080p monitor with DSR and it will look close to native 4k."

And what is wrong with that exacty? Did I say that it will look exactly the same? No, but it sure will look better than native 1080p and a lot closer to native 4k.

Surprisingly this isn't true. The consoles this generation where so far behind technology wise that a mid tier PC in 2013 was multiple times faster. There wasn't a single mid tier GPU or CPU in 2013 that wasn't at least 2x faster than the console counterpart

I actually did a build for a friend holiday 2013 (price was $650 for the tower + windows) and it's still running almost every game at 1080p high settings.