Where is this 4$ for XBL coming from?

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#51 Revolution316
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[QUOTE="Revolution316"]

am i missing something here? its 60$ for me at eb games:?...

Ross_the_Boss6

Don't buy at EB games then.

where should i get it then?

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#52 SolidTy
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[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

It's 7.99 or rounded up, $8 a month. I used to try and explain this to people and gave up around 2007.

The misinformation spreads and now we see TC's asking questions. The most Damage control I've seen is the I only spend "$30 a year and it's great" without explaining to the SW poster that in reality they got a sale. It goes on and on. I try to pay less too, but I don't try to spread misinformation.

Sorry you had to find out the hard way TC.

The Xbox Live monthly charge is $8, however, the annual charge is $50. Why are we breaking up the annual charge into per month? Then the information gets diluted, and we have confused posters, like the TC of this thread.

I understand the breakdown, and as I tried to explain to folks other people don't. Also, the official monthly charge for Xbox Live is $7.99 per month. Besides, why are we breaking it down. Why not break down other products per month?

How come nobody ever talks about the 100's of dollars Xbox Live costs over the years? I know I've bought a PS3 and Wii with the money I've spent on the service starting at just this generation (of course, I have two Xbox 360's and two Xbox Live accounts).

DropTarget

You are a terrible consumer then. So, you are saying that you would pay $999.99 for a PS3 when you can get one for $299.99?

What, I didn't say I spend $7.99...I have had two gold accounts for years and it adds up though. No need to try and make it personal. I'm not a terrible consumer. You just read what I posted, and then tried to apply it to me, as if I live some sort of terrible consuming lifestyIe. No need to do that.

BTW : Some people do pay more for 360's, Wii's, and PS3's at those rent to own places. They charge you per month, so it seems cheaper, but it costs much more in the end.

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[QUOTE="jethrovegas"]

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

It's 7.99 or rounded up, $8 a month. I used to try and explain this to people and gave up around 2007.

The misinformation spreads and now we see TC's asking questions. The most Damage control I've seen is the I only spend "$30 a year and it's great" without explaining to the SW poster that in reality they got a sale. It goes on and on. I try to pay less too, but I don't try to spread misinformation.

Sorry you had to find out the hard way TC.

SolidTy

Ok, am I going insane here? XBL is $50/yr. That comes out to a little more than $4 a month. How is it $8 a month?

No one is spreading misinformation, they're just paying $50 a year, which I thought was the norm... :?

The Xbox Live monthly charge is $8, however, the annual charge is $50. Why are we breaking up the annual charge into per month? Then the information gets diluted, and we have confused posters, like the TC of this thread.

I understand the breakdown, and as I tried to explain to folks other people don't. Also, the official monthly charge for Xbox Live is $7.99 per month. Besides, why are we breaking it down. Why not break down other products per month?

How come nobody ever talks about the 100's of dollars Xbox Live costs over the years? I know I've bought a PS3 and Wii with the money I've spent on the service starting at just this generation (of course, I have two Xbox 360's and two Xbox Live accounts).

When adding up totals, it has to either be 8$, or 50$. Some people try to cheese it and site a yearly figure using the 8$ a month cost.

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#54 foxhound_fox
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....Wha..? This confuses me...

Silverbond


If you got a 360 at launch and have been paying for Live Gold since then, you would have spent $250, the sum of $50/year spent over the course of 5 years. Enough for a whole other gaming console just to unlock content that is available for free on other platforms.

I think his point was, there are two ways to play this "numbers game." One in support of Live Gold, and the other in dissidence of it. You can use math to spin it either way, and either way, it is just a numbers game that really means almost nothing.

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It's 7.99 or rounded up, $8 a month. I used to try and explain this to people and I gave up around 2007.

The misinformation spreads and now we see TC's asking questions. The most Damage control I've seen is the I only spend "$30 a year and it's great" without explaining to the SW poster that in reality they got a sale. It goes on and on. I try to pay less too, but I don't try to spread misinformation.

Everything else in SW isn't divided into months, but somehow Xbox Live Damage control is allowed and has been for years.

Sorry you had to find out the hard way TC.SolidTy

The reason that people say "it's $4 a month" is because of the prevalence of 12month subscription cards. Everyone I know uses them, they can be gotten online or from almost any online store. I actually use Wal-Mart for my subscription card purchases because they routinely go on sale and give you free shipping to a WM near you.

XBL is only $8 if you do not use one of these cards, which from everything I've seen is actually only a minority of the people that don't. A PS3 250Gb costs $350 but you don't see people quoting the price of the PS3 as $350? Why not? Because there is a just as easy to find, cheaper alternative.

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#56 SolidTy
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[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

[QUOTE="jethrovegas"]

Ok, am I going insane here? XBL is $50/yr. That comes out to a little more than $4 a month. How is it $8 a month?

No one is spreading misinformation, they're just paying $50 a year, which I thought was the norm... :?

topgunmv

The Xbox Live monthly charge is $8, however, the annual charge is $50. Why are we breaking up the annual charge into per month? Then the information gets diluted, and we have confused posters, like the TC of this thread.

I understand the breakdown, and as I tried to explain to folks other people don't. Also, the official monthly charge for Xbox Live is $7.99 per month. Besides, why are we breaking it down. Why not break down other products per month?

How come nobody ever talks about the 100's of dollars Xbox Live costs over the years? I know I've bought a PS3 and Wii with the money I've spent on the service starting at just this generation (of course, I have two Xbox 360's and two Xbox Live accounts).

When adding up totals, it has to either be 8$, or 50$. Some people try to cheese it and site a yearly figure using the 8$ a month cost.

I agree. I have never seen people try to apply the $8 x12 number, but if they did I would be in that thread explaining it's $50 per year, not $96.

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#57 SolidTy
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[QUOTE="WarEagle1357"]I paid $35 for mine so 35/12= $2.92 a month...seabiscuit8686
Agreed - I only ever pay $30 (no tax or shipping) from Amazon for the 13 month card: 30/13 = $2.31 per month

I believe the 13 month cards were discontinued a long time ago, where are you finding those at Amazon?

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#58 gago-gago
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$4 for XBL? Never heard of it. I got Gold till 2013 free recently thanks to a promotion though.

Also this is my sig. First person to quote me gets a free 48 hr Gold trial code. It only works for Silver members.

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#59 thebaronmoo
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$4 is pure bullocks and people need to stop spreading it. Lems and their nonsense. I just went on Amazon and saw a 12-month XBL card for $40. I'm no math experts but 40/12 =/= 4. Lems need to stop with the BS and come clean.Senor_Kami

yeah, 40/12=$3.33:P

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It's 7.99 or rounded up, $8 a month. I used to try and explain this to people and I gave up around 2007.

The misinformation spreads and now we see TC's asking questions. The most Damage control I've seen is the I only spend "$30 a year and it's great" without explaining to the SW poster that in reality they got a sale. It goes on and on. I try to pay less too, but I don't try to spread misinformation.

Everything else in SW isn't divided into months, but somehow Xbox Live Damage control is allowed and has been for years.

Sorry you had to find out the hard way TC.

SolidTy

good thing the sale seems to constantly go on. But then again hey I've not paid over 30 dollars for a year of xbox live in over 5 years. but that's just me and my amazing ability to actually find deals...that are obvious and consistant...like amazon's and neweggs when combined lasted for a total of 6 months last year.

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#61 reyad-u
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It's coming from the fact that you can find XBL subscriptions at a rate equivalent to or lower than that. It's not uncommon for amazon to have $35 12 month subscription cards, which equates out to $2.91 a month. I understand this is system wars and people aren't always grounded in reality, but the reality of the situation is that consumers do not consider MSRP when they make a purchase, they consider the price they are able to get it for.

KodiakGTS

Do you actually paying $2.91 a month or do you pay a whole years worth in one go?

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#62 SolidTy
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[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

It's 7.99 or rounded up, $8 a month. I used to try and explain this to people and I gave up around 2007.

The misinformation spreads and now we see TC's asking questions. The most Damage control I've seen is the I only spend "$30 a year and it's great" without explaining to the SW poster that in reality they got a sale. It goes on and on. I try to pay less too, but I don't try to spread misinformation.

Everything else in SW isn't divided into months, but somehow Xbox Live Damage control is allowed and has been for years.

Sorry you had to find out the hard way TC.

WilliamRLBaker

good thing the sale seems to constantly go on. But then again hey I've not paid over 30 dollars for a year of xbox live in over 5 years. but that's just me and my amazing ability to actually find deals...that are obvious and consistant...like amazon's and neweggs when combined lasted for a total of 6 months last year.

Wow, you are a better shopper than me, I did get it for $30 one year at Amazon though. I wouldn't mind paying that again.

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#63 moose_knuckler
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[QUOTE="Gxgear"]

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

50/12= $4.17?

50 * 5yrs = $250. There's 2 ways to play the numbers game.

*Claps* Good job. Now divide that 250 divided by 60 and what do you get then? Why stop there? How about 500/120, then?
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[QUOTE="sillaris"]

MICROSOFT *XBOX LI 800 02/17MICROSOFT $7.99

as far as my bank shows... or people are just in denial

You have to buy a one year subscription and its only $50... as you know $50 devided by 12 months = $4.16/month. You'd be very foolish to buy it month to month continuously.
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[QUOTE="moose_knuckler"][QUOTE="Gxgear"]

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

50/12= $4.17?

50 * 5yrs = $250. There's 2 ways to play the numbers game.

*Claps* Good job. Now divide that 250 divided by 60 and what do you get then? Why stop there? How about 500/120, then?

Using the same poor logic, does that mean everyone that bought a launch PS3 for $600 are in fact paying $5 every month? afterall the PS3 will survive for 10 years :roll:
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I prefer not to pay for Live (since I only own a PS3/Wii) but 4$ is not a lot.:P It's even less than a trio Big Mac at Mcdonalds.:P

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#67 tamabeast04
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what the... since when is the service 50 bucks for a little over 4 years?? That makes no sense the poster who said 50/52=less than a dollar a week...

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50/12= $4.17?

BPoole96

i think their all 13 months now

and if you actually look online you can get them for 30-40

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#69 Gxgear
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[QUOTE="Gxgear"]

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

50/12= $4.17?

moose_knuckler

50 * 5yrs = $250. There's 2 ways to play the numbers game.

*Claps* Good job. Now divide that 250 divided by 60 and what do you get then? Why stop there? How about 500/120, then?

And same to you for harping on the first post you don't agree with and conviently skip reading the rest of the thread.

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what the... since when is the service 50 bucks for a little over 4 years?? That makes no sense the poster who said 50/52=less than a dollar a week...

tamabeast04

Dude...there are 52 weeks in a year. :lol:

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#72 Brownesque
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50/12= $4.17?

BPoole96

$8x12=$96

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#73 deactivated-5e7be39d87e0b
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It's silliness to break such a small payment down even smaller. But if that $50 is hurting you, then by all means, make it seem as small as possible so your wallet stops crying.

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[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

50/12= $4.17?

Brownesque

$8x12=$96

Right but if you buy it for 1 year at $50 its down to $4.17 per month. That would be stupid to continuously pay $8 month to month

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$4 is pure bullocks and people need to stop spreading it. Lems and their nonsense. I just went on Amazon and saw a 12-month XBL card for $40. I'm no math experts but 40/12 =/= 4. Lems need to stop with the BS and come clean.Senor_Kami
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Don't go out to eat once a month for a year and your live subscription will be paid for. No more $8 a month.

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I've never spent $4 a month on XBL... Always paid full price and not in installments. There are multiple ways of spinning the price and breaking it up is one. Personally, XBL isn't "expensive", it's just that the value isn't there for me. I'm fine with my free online game access on other systems. Halo Reach and/or Gears 3 could very well have me renew my Gold subscription. As of now there's no exclusive titles on the 360 that I want to play online. That's the selling point for me.
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#78 TheDogout
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I paid 35$ for mine on amazon.com with free shipping+ 2 day shipping free trial

35/12= 2.9166666666666666666667

Which comes to about 2.92$ a month.

Holy crap thats cheap.

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[QUOTE="Episode_Eve"]I've never spent $4 a month on XBL... Always paid full price and not in installments. There are multiple ways of spinning the price and breaking it up is one. Personally, XBL isn't "expensive", it's just that the value isn't there for me. I'm fine with my free online game access on other systems. Halo Reach and/or Gears 3 could very well have me renew my Gold subscription. As of now there's no exclusive titles on the 360 that I want to play online. That's the selling point for me.

LOL nice sig PIC
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#80 TheDogout
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If you guys want to

We can just shatter the ice now and say what your REALLY Paying for on xbox live

-A chance at 10,000 microsoft points

- Great weekly deals

- The best arcade money can buy (shadow complex)

- Cross game chat

All for 2.92$ a month.

Sounds good to me.

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If people look at it that way, then consider your game purchases $12 a month. In actuality that's not the way you pay for it. You pay in bulk, which is a one-time fee. Unless you charge it to your credit card which is a whole other story. --- Here's the ONLY way you can pay $4 a month: 1.) You have a credit card. 2.) On that credit card you have a balance of $0. 3.) You make ONE purchase of $50 for XBOX Live Gold (annual subscription). 4.) Throughout the year you make monthly payments to your credit card company of $4.17. That is IF it falls in line with the rules attached to the card. 5.) Next year you start over. ---- Needless to say, that would be really ridiculous. How many Live users actually do that? I'm willing to bet none.
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Don't go out to eat once a month for a year and your live subscription will be paid for. No more $8 a month.

Little_Big_Dude
You gotta love how the Lem solution is to starve yourself and XBL that will give you extra money to pay for XBL.
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#83 TREAL_Since
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I don't think it should matter how you break it down. If you think Live is worth it, then there's no need to put it in a different light. Those who feel its not worth it will still feel that way. You know why? Because in the end, you're still spending $50 a year :|.
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#84 SammoHH
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[QUOTE="Little_Big_Dude"]

Don't go out to eat once a month for a year and your live subscription will be paid for. No more $8 a month.

Senor_Kami

You gotta love how the Lem solution is to starve yourself and XBL that will give you extra money to pay for XBL.

You're starving yourself by saving up $1/week? :lol: Maybe gaming isn't the right hobby for you then.

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#85 ChiChiMonKilla
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paying for live is still more than steam (free) that is a much better service all around, and psn/home is free also

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#86 jrhawk42
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Basically I goes like this.

official prices.

1 month $7.99

3 months $19.99 ($6.70 per month)

12 months $49.99 ($4.17 per month)

Unofficial prices.

1 month Free (http://m.slickdeals.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1911756)

3 month dunno never see these.

12 months $35 (basically everybody has a $30-35 deal for a year of live at least 1 time a year) $2.92 per month.

So basically you can go either on any extreme of the spectrum which is free or $7.99 a month, but I'd prefer to go w/ what I think your typical XBL consumer pays for live, and that's probably 4.17 per month w/ the official 12 month plan.

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[QUOTE="Little_Big_Dude"]

Don't go out to eat once a month for a year and your live subscription will be paid for. No more $8 a month.

Senor_Kami
You gotta love how the Lem solution is to starve yourself and XBL that will give you extra money to pay for XBL.

I honestly don't think it's a matter of XBOX Live being 'too expensive'. Its a matter of 'perceived value'. You either think Twitter, Facebook, Last FM, Netflix, and Party Chat is worth $50 a year in addition to playing games online. Or... you don't. --- I don't think the features alone are worth it at ALL as of now. I think there are some exclusive upcoming shooters that are worth it though (Gears 3 and Halo Reach).
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#88 Brownesque
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[QUOTE="Brownesque"]

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

50/12= $4.17?

BPoole96

$8x12=$96

Right but if you buy it for 1 year at $50 its down to $4.17 per month. That would be stupid to continuously pay $8 month to month

Stupid? You mean like buying a year card for one month of service? It's $50 for one year. Anything less and my statement of $96 for 1 year or $250 for 5 is justified.
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you can't purchase a 12 month card in units.white_sox
Technically, you can if you buy it from the right company; "layaway" comes to mind.
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#90 Brownesque
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If you guys want to

We can just shatter the ice now and say what your REALLY Paying for on xbox live

-A chance at 10,000 microsoft points

- Great weekly deals

- The best arcade money can buy (shadow complex)

- Cross game chat

All for 2.92$ a month.

Sounds good to me.

TheDogout

I don't know where to begin.

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#91 LongZhiZi
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This "it's only $4 a month" argument is senseless. You pay $50 (or if you find a deal, that price) in ONE installment. Yes, if you divide things down, it might break down to $4/month, but you can't just set aside $4 every month and have Live for that month. If you saved that way over the course of a year, that's how it works, but that also means the first year you'd have no Live. By this "logic," the PS3 at launch was less than 33 cents a day. Are you too poor to afford 33 cents a day? You could go beg for change for 15 minutes a day and have more than that. Dumb arguments are dumb.
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#92 Gxgear
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Basically I goes like this.

official prices.

1 month $7.99

3 months $19.99 ($6.70 per month)

12 months $49.99 ($4.17 per month)

Unofficial prices.

1 month Free (http://m.slickdeals.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1911756)

3 month dunno never see these.

12 months $35 (basically everybody has a $30-35 deal for a year of live at least 1 time a year) $2.92 per month.

So basically you can go either on any extreme of the spectrum which is free or $7.99 a month, but I'd prefer to go w/ what I think your typical XBL consumer pays for live, and that's probably 4.17 per month w/ the official 12 month plan.

jrhawk42

Aw the 1 month free thing is expired. :( I know there's a 2 day trail for XBL gold though.

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#93 SammoHH
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Even GI, the acclaimed gaming magazine, says XBL is $4. Fanboys need to let it go.

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#94 CBR600-RR
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£3.30 a month for XBL, think I'll pass, even though I can afford it. Think of the long run, £80 to play online for 2 years, no thanks.

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#95 TintedEyes
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Even GI, the acclaimed gaming magazine, says XBL is $4. Fanboys need to let it go.

SammoHH
People need to let it go because GI said so?
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For some reason with all this breaking down of money I'm getting an image.......................

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#97 BPoole96
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[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

[QUOTE="Brownesque"]

$8x12=$96

Brownesque

Right but if you buy it for 1 year at $50 its down to $4.17 per month. That would be stupid to continuously pay $8 month to month

Stupid? You mean like buying a year card for one month of service? It's $50 for one year. Anything less and my statement of $96 for 1 year or $250 for 5 is justified.

If you're buying the year card one would assume that the person would plan on playing online for a year, not just a month. I'm saying why would somebody pay $8 a month for a year straight when it's almost half the price to just get the full year for $50

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[QUOTE="SammoHH"]

Even GI, the acclaimed gaming magazine, says XBL is $4. Fanboys need to let it go.

TintedEyes

People need to let it go because GI said so?

No. They need to let it go because it's not an issue and no well-respected gaming press ever supports their whining.

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I got 12 months, PGR4, headset, chatpad, and 500 points for $55 last year. I also see those $30-$40 deals all the time... in fact it's at the point where you'd be dumb to pay $50.
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using the 4 dollars a month idea is by far the stupidest thing to say and is a horrible argument. Many things in this world would sound nicer if you were able to break it down on a monthly basis. The principle of charging for online play is absolutely absurd. since it's inception on teh PC online gaming has always been free. also using the monthly fails to take into account the long terms effects. I've had my PS3 for over 3 years now 3*50= $150. thats 2.5 games. in other world i have to sacrifice more than 2 games in my collection to pay for xbl and it's supposedly superior service. I'm sorry but push comes to shove i'd rather be able to buy more games and settle for a simpler yet still adequate service of PSN over paying for XBL. Also i want to pose this question to those people who feel XBL is worth it. If gold membership retained all of it's current features but now silver offers online play, friends lists, and basic forms of communication found on PSN for free. Now while you might feel it's worth it but do you really think the other 10 million(not sure on that number) people also agree and will continue to for XBL? When push comes to shove people would rather pay less or not pay at all if they can get a basic service. MS also knows when they first created xbl were hoping people would adpot it. If gamers back on the xbox would have said now XBL would now be free. It only because the precedent was set that gamers are willing to pay for online that this is even an issue