Where is this 4$ for XBL coming from?

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"] Thats like saying the PS3 is $600 because people bought it for that ....blue_hazy_basic

No, if Xbox Live retail drops down to a lower price, then that's how much it would be (E.G. $40). I'm not talking about using circumstantial sales at Amazon or Walmart, but the official price, the MSRP.

The PS3 was $600, but it's now $300. I'm again, not talking about my joe sixpack getting a PS3 on Black Friday for $190. Again, that's a sale.

The MSRP and official Retail price is the price. That being said, if someone says, "I got it for $35 (which I have done myself)" that's fine.

The problem is when regular folks think it's $4 a month and don't uunderstand what the heck we are talking about. Then, at that point, it becomes a misinformation campaign.

The TC is not a SW regular, and I see people everyweek (not just SW, GS, IGN, real life, yes, I know real life is scary, but it's true :P ) that are confused about this.

I know people explain it, just as I did. I'm one of the good guys trying to explain the situation.

I think there is some sort of major misunderstanding going on here, because I don't understand the hubbub. I'm a longtime, 360 owning Xbox Live User and purchaser with over 100,000 Gamerscore, and 15 gigs left on my 120gig 360 HDD. I own a second 360, both are connected to HDTV's. I know I use my 360 machines a lot, I understand everything so far, but this thread.

No matter how many words I type, I guess I can't articulate what I mean, or perhaps words or ideas are being pushed at me? I don't get it.

Of course that's the case. YOU didn't explain anything that I didn't agree with or understand. Congrats. :| Meanwhile, I continue to own 2 360's with Xbox Live year after year, and now I got guys explaining things that I'm explaining. Sweet.SolidTy

http://www.amazon.com/Xbox-360-Month-Live-Gold-Card/dp/B0029LJIFG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1269353249&sr=8-1little more expenisve then usual there.. I have seen it go for as low as $30..

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]Of course that's the case. YOU didn't explain anything that I didn't agree with or understand. Congrats. :| Meanwhile, I continue to own 2 360's with Xbox Live year after year, and now I got guys explaining things that I'm explaining. Sweet.killab2oo5

And nothing else? Apparently ...you're not getting something.

o so i should pay 50$ all at once now? :roll:

id rather buy a game

sillaris

[QUOTE="killab2oo5"][QUOTE="SolidTy"]Of course that's the case. YOU didn't explain anything that I didn't agree with or understand. Congrats. :| Meanwhile, I continue to own 2 360's with Xbox Live year after year, and now I got guys explaining things that I'm explaining. Sweet.SolidTy

And nothing else? Apparently ...you're not getting something.

I think the majority of people on here sit no further than 5 feet away from their screens...you don't have to use 14pt bolded font so wildy.

Doesn't matter the price tag, on principle alone it is a massive ripoff, and one of the stains this generation.skrat_01

[QUOTE="Gxgear"]

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

50/12= $4.17?

bobbetybob

50 * 5yrs = $250. There's 2 ways to play the numbers game.

It is relevant to the thread. It tells you that scaling the price up makes just as much sense as scaling it down. Unless you are in XBL marketing department there is no reason for you to scale the price... It cannot be bought in 4$ instalments.

[QUOTE="skrat_01"]Doesn't matter the price tag, on principle alone it is a massive ripoff, and one of the stains this generation.tbolt76

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

[QUOTE="killab2oo5"]...Then why do I see you going on about how XBL is $8 per month and nothing else? Apparently...you're not getting something.killab2oo5

And nothing else? Apparently ...you're not getting something.

I think the majority of people on here sit no further than 5 feet away from their screens...you don't have to use 14pt bolded font so wildy.

I see you never understood me in the beginning of this thread or in any thread I've ever been in involving this age old subject of Xbox Live, great job.

:|

Way to assume, mang.;)

As a proud 100,000+ gamerscore usin', TWO 360's with Xbox Live accounts still goin', 15gigs left on one of my 120gig 360, and 100's of xbox 360 games, I never changed my stance, lol.

I think the majority of people on here do a lot of things, that's nice.

[QUOTE="HavocV3"]

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

Nice try. You have a limited number of free accounts you can make on Xbox Live on that Xbox 360.

Why did you throw misinformation like this hoping I didn't know? I don't have personal experience, since I've never been in that sort of financial situation, but I believe the limit is three or four, before Xbox Live completely cuts them off. :P

This isn't about any technicalities, it's just to explain :

Xbox Live Retail is $50 a year, $20 for three months, and $8 per month. Just trying to educate the masses, which is what your post does not do. It was misinforming, and lets people believe they can make new accounts EVERY MONTH, which isn't possible.

SolidTy

what's the limit. because they're on #5 or 6 by now.

When Halo 3 came out, Xbox Live Mngment noticed what folks were doing (Halo 3 really brought it to their attention), and made some sort of limit and can ban that console from continuing. However, if your buddy is somehow exempt, more power to him.

My cousin speeds all the time, and he only got one ticket 2 years ago. Some people are lucky, but that luck eventually runs out.

I'm trying to find a limit through Google. nothing yet.

and my original post was not directed at you. if it was, I would quote:P

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

[QUOTE="HavocV3"]

what's the limit. because they're on #5 or 6 by now.

HavocV3

When Halo 3 came out, Xbox Live Mngment noticed what folks were doing (Halo 3 really brought it to their attention), and made some sort of limit and can ban that console from continuing. However, if your buddy is somehow exempt, more power to him.

My cousin speeds all the time, and he only got one ticket 2 years ago. Some people are lucky, but that luck eventually runs out.

I'm trying to find a limit through Google. nothing yet.

and my original post was not directed at you. if it was, I would quote:P

Oh, well nevermind then. I thought you were directed at me, since two others were. Twas a jugglin' act!:P

I see you never understood me in the beginning or in any thread I've ever been in involving this age old subject of Xbox Live, great job.

As a proud 100,000+ gamerscore usin', TWO 360's with Xbox Live accounts still goin', 15gigs left on one of my 120gig 360, and 100's of xbox 360 games, I never changed my stance, lol.

I think the majority of people on here do a lot of things, that's nice.

SolidTy

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

I see you never understood me in the beginning or in any thread I've ever been in involving this age old subject of Xbox Live, great job.

As a proud 100,000+ gamerscore usin', TWO 360's with Xbox Live accounts still goin', 15gigs left on one of my 120gig 360, and 100's of xbox 360 games, I never changed my stance, lol.

I think the majority of people on here do a lot of things, that's nice.

killab2oo5

Well, I've known your mindset for years and prefer to stray away from your posts, and I do understand what you are getting at with your above posts. You decided to engage me first, not I. ;)

My 100,000+ Gamerscore, multiple Paid Gold Live accounts, Multiple 360's, large HDD usage, 100's of 360 games and XBLA games, are very relevant as it shows I use my hardware more than "the aver-age bear" and show I have a great deal of experience in these matters. :roll:

I am not new, I didn't just get a PS3 in January, nor did I just get a 360 yesterday. I got my hardware at launch, just like last gen, and the gen before that...

I've paid 50$ for XBL the first 2 years I've had it, and anywhere from 27$-35$/year since then. There's always some deal for XBL on amazon or slickdeals.net. But the bottom line is, you pay for it if you think it's worth it. I think it's good enough to warrant what I pay for it. Certainly, it would be nice if there was no fee. I'd like my rent to be cheaper too, but that's not going to happen. As long as people are willing to pay upwards of 50$/yr for XBL, then they will charge it.

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="SolidTy"]

No, if Xbox Live retail drops down to a lower price, then that's how much it would be (E.G. $40). I'm not talking about using circumstantial sales at Amazon or Walmart, but the official price, the MSRP.

The PS3 was $600, but it's now $300. I'm again, not talking about my joe sixpack getting a PS3 on Black Friday for $190. Again, that's a sale.

The MSRP and official Retail price is the price. That being said, if someone says, "I got it for $35 (which I have done myself)" that's fine.

The problem is when regular folks think it's $4 a month and don't uunderstand what the heck we are talking about. Then, at that point, it becomes a misinformation campaign.

SolidTy

The TC is not a SW regular, and I see people everyweek (not just SW, GS, IGN, real life, yes, I know real life is scary, but it's true :P ) that are confused about this.

I know people explain it, just as I did. I'm one of the good guys trying to explain the situation.

I think there is some sort of major misunderstanding going on here, because I don't understand the hubbub. I'm a longtime, 360 owning Xbox Live User and purchaser with over 100,000 Gamerscore, and 15 gigs left on my 120gig 360 HDD. I own a second 360, both are connected to HDTV's. I know I use my 360 machines a lot, I understand everything so far, but this thread.

No matter how many words I type, I guess I can't articulate what I mean, or perhaps words or ideas are being pushed at me? I don't get it.

Its kind of funny how the only people who complain about this are cows, while lemmings dont care about the $50 a year we pay for XBL. If $50 a year is too much for you, then I dont know how you'd survive paying $60 for games.

Its kind of funny how the only people who complain about this are cows, while lemmings dont care about the $50 a year we pay for XBL. If $50 a year is too much for you, then I dont know how you'd survive paying $60 for games.

h575309

Its kind of funny how the only people who complain about this are cows, while lemmings dont care about the $50 a year we pay for XBL. If $50 a year is too much for you, then I dont know how you'd survive paying $60 for games.

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

The TC is not a SW regular, and I see people everyweek (not just SW, GS, IGN, real life, yes, I know real life is scary, but it's true :P ) that are confused about this.

I know people explain it, just as I did. I'm one of the good guys trying to explain the situation.

I think there is some sort of major misunderstanding going on here, because I don't understand the hubbub. I'm a longtime, 360 owning Xbox Live User and purchaser with over 100,000 Gamerscore, and 15 gigs left on my 120gig 360 HDD. I own a second 360, both are connected to HDTV's. I know I use my 360 machines a lot, I understand everything so far, but this thread.

No matter how many words I type, I guess I can't articulate what I mean, or perhaps words or ideas are being pushed at me? I don't get it.

blue_hazy_basic

There is quite a few Xbox Live topics on the first 3 pages of SW, and this is the only one I have visited. I only came in for one reason, the name of this thread : "Where is this 4$ for XBL coming from?" I don't go into these Live threads as they are old hat, but that TC title is the same type of question I've seen in real life and at other sites, so I went in this thread to simply inform the TC.

Well, I've known your mindset for years and prefer to stray away from your posts, and I do understand what you are getting at with your above posts. You decided to engage me first, not I. ;)

My 100,000+ Gamerscore, multiple Paid Gold Live accounts, Multiple 360's, large HDD usage, 100's of 360 games and XBLA games, are very relevant as it shows I use my hardware more than "the aver-age bear" and show I have a great deal of experience in these matters. :roll:

SolidTy

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

The TC is not a SW regular, and I see people everyweek (not just SW, GS, IGN, real life, yes, I know real life is scary, but it's true :P ) that are confused about this.

I know people explain it, just as I did. I'm one of the good guys trying to explain the situation.

I think there is some sort of major misunderstanding going on here, because I don't understand the hubbub. I'm a longtime, 360 owning Xbox Live User and purchaser with over 100,000 Gamerscore, and 15 gigs left on my 120gig 360 HDD. I own a second 360, both are connected to HDTV's. I know I use my 360 machines a lot, I understand everything so far, but this thread.

No matter how many words I type, I guess I can't articulate what I mean, or perhaps words or ideas are being pushed at me? I don't get it.

SolidTy

There is quite a few Xbox Live topics on the first 3 pages of SW, and this is the only one I have visited. I don't go into these threads, but that TC title is the same type of question I've seen in real life, so I went in this thread to simply inform the TC.

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

Well, I've known your mindset for years and prefer to stray away from your posts, and I do understand what you are getting at with your above posts. You decided to engage me first, not I.

My 100,000+ Gamerscore, multiple Paid Gold Live accounts, Multiple 360's, large HDD usage, 100's of 360 games and XBLA games, are very relevant as it shows I use my hardware more than "the aver-age bear" and show I have a great deal of experience in these matters.

I am not new, I didn't just get a PS3 in January, nor did I just get a 360 yesterday. I got my hardware at launch, just like last gen, and the gen before that...

killab2oo5

Not spying, just know your habits as I know 100's of others here in SW. I have had years, after all. :P 6th grade? Petty?

Ha. To sum up, You misread my posts (deliberately?), made assumptions, got corrected, made more assumptions, got corrected, then you tried to make it a bit personal, and then you tried to make it a bit personal again. You initiated all of that, I merely responded, kind sir. ;)

Glad you use your prepaid for Xbox Live Account, like I do! Get your money's worth! Well, obviously not as much as I do, as I'm looking at my amazing real life super 102,000+ Gamerscore (which jealous types couldn't believe, lol), but I'm glad to hear you get your money's worth as well...don't worry, The indication that your bias for 360 is well noted, but at least you finally got a PS3 January, 2010!Your knowledge of the PS3 is sure to increase as you now own one, congrats.

A lot of the games I have played on my 360 recently have been Super Street Fighter and MvC2, I am not even getting any more points in those games (MAXED OUT Gamerscore! Netflix! Wii and PS3 games! ), but the online is so much fun! I just was playing these games the past month almost everyday. :P Of course, you'd know this if you didn't make wild and untrue accusations, and if you were actually on my Xbox 360 Friends list! :shock: But you aren't, so you just guessed again. :cry: Nice try with that wild assumption though. :|

I know this is hard to believe, but when you get 10 Gamerscore, or even 100 Gamerscore (:o ), it doesn't impact a Gamerscore as large as mine, Unless I move at lightspeed with my Gamerscore, I fear I may never be able to please your expectations of my personal gamerscore! When I use Netflix on 360, I may just turn Netflix off, because what if I don't make my Gamerscore move fast enough for you to actually take notice? What if I love a game like GeoW but I've maxed out the gamerscore? I can't play GeoW anymore, right? Right? You made the false comment about me, sure it's not backed up at all by any evidence, but you threw it out there. ;) You've done that before, wrong everytime, but you've done it. Lies are bad. I mean, Here's one example : I got points in Bayonetta 360 this year, and you didn't PM me once to let me know you were happy about my gamerscore movement. I mean, how many others try to downplay my Gamerscore, without actually knowing anything about it? I don't think you should lie about me on Gamespot, it's not nice.:P

On a more positive note, Congrats on that PS3 ownership to compliment your years of 360 ownership, maybe you will be more fair in the future threads dealing with multiconsole owners like myself. Assumptions are bad. Ciao! ;3

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"] Not a SW regular no, but he clearly understood that you could pay $50 for a year (see his second post). It was a topic aimed in response at the XBL is only $4 posted by another website (I forget who it was) telling fanboys to get overthemselves.

blue_hazy_basic

There is quite a few Xbox Live topics on the first 3 pages of SW, and this is the only one I have visited. I only came in for one reason, the name of this thread : "Where is this 4$ for XBL coming from?" I don't go into these Live threads as they are old hat, but that TC title is the same type of question I've seen in real life and at other sites, so I went in this thread to simply inform the TC.

I can't assume people read as much as I do.

I saw his thread title, and his OP, I wasn't about to scan the thread, but I didn't see anything at the second post. I just now went back, and about 5 posts down, there it was. I didn't see that initially, or I wouldn't have commented in this thread at all.

Doesn't affect the accuracy of my posts though, at this point we are questioning motive...for some reason only mine, not yours. :P

Thread Title : "Where is this 4$ for XBL coming from?"

Original Post :

"MICROSOFT *XBOX LI 800 02/17MICROSOFT $7.99

as far as my bank shows... or people are just in denial"

I clicked on reply to the OP, and that's that.

o so i should pay 50$ all at once now? :roll:

id rather buy a game

sillaris

So you would rather spend $8 an month which is what, $96 a year when you can save $46 and just buy a 12 (+1 usually) month for the RRP of $50 or even less like most others. :|

XBL is NOT 4 dollars a month. If it was I'd definantly be buying those 1 month cards... seeing as their one month cards are like 8 bucks id be spending a lot more than if I just bought a 1 yr for 50 dollars. Even then though you can't say its 4 a month. Because you are charged 1 time... not monthly

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

There is quite a few Xbox Live topics on the first 3 pages of SW, and this is the only one I have visited. I only came in for one reason, the name of this thread : "Where is this 4$ for XBL coming from?" I don't go into these Live threads as they are old hat, but that TC title is the same type of question I've seen in real life and at other sites, so I went in this thread to simply inform the TC.

I can't assume people read as much as I do.

I saw his thread title, and his OP, I wasn't about to scan the thread, but I didn't see anything at the second post. I just now went back, and about 5 posts down, there it was. I didn't see that initially, or I wouldn't have commented in this thread at all.

Doesn't affect the accuracy of my posts though, at this point we are questioning motive...for some reason only mine, not yours. :P

Thread Title : "Where is this 4$ for XBL coming from?"

Original Post :

"MICROSOFT *XBOX LI 800 02/17MICROSOFT $7.99

as far as my bank shows... or people are just in denial"

I clicked on reply to the OP, and that's that.

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"] Thats what I mean, he was plenty informed already ...

blue_hazy_basic

I can't assume people read as much as I do.

I saw his thread title, and his OP, I wasn't about to scan the thread, but I didn't see anything at the second post. I just now went back, and about 5 posts down, there it was. I didn't see that initially, or I wouldn't have commented in this thread at all.

Doesn't affect the accuracy of my posts though, at this point we are questioning motive...for some reason only mine, not yours. :P

Thread Title : "Where is this 4$ for XBL coming from?"

Original Post :

"MICROSOFT *XBOX LI 800 02/17MICROSOFT $7.99

as far as my bank shows... or people are just in denial"

I clicked on reply to the OP, and that's that.

The thread was already too long for my tastes when I got here, I wasn't about to read every page, you know. :P

Humans have disagreements, but I don't mind them, I just don't like when people make it personal, which you don't do! :P

I know this is crazy, but I love my buddy Cam, but we argue all the time, he likes different alcohol, and makes it known! :lol:

I think SW is MUCH better with u as well, Good Blue Hazy! :P

XBL is NOT 4 dollars a month. If it was I'd definantly be buying those 1 month cards... seeing as their one month cards are like 8 bucks id be spending a lot more than if I just bought a 1 yr for 50 dollars. Even then though you can't say its 4 a month. Because you are charged 1 time... not monthly

Infinite_Access

[QUOTE="killab2oo5"]

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

Well, I've known your mindset for years and prefer to stray away from your posts, and I do understand what you are getting at with your above posts. You decided to engage me first, not I.

My 100,000+ Gamerscore, multiple Paid Gold Live accounts, Multiple 360's, large HDD usage, 100's of 360 games and XBLA games, are very relevant as it shows I use my hardware more than "the aver-age bear" and show I have a great deal of experience in these matters.

I am not new, I didn't just get a PS3 in January, nor did I just get a 360 yesterday. I got my hardware at launch, just like last gen, and the gen before that...

SolidTy

Not spying, just know your habits as I know 100's of others here in SW. I have had years, after all. :P 6th grade? Petty?

Ha. To sum up, You misread my posts (deliberately?), made assumptions, got corrected, made more assumptions, got corrected, then you tried to make it a bit personal, and then you tried to make it a bit personal again. You initiated all of that, I merely responded, kind sir. ;)

Glad you use your prepaid for Xbox Live Account, like I do! Get your money's worth! Well, obviously not as much as I do, as I'm looking at my amazing real life super 102,000+ Gamerscore (which jealous types couldn't believe, lol), but I'm glad to hear you get your money's worth as well...don't worry, The indication that your bias for 360 is well noted, but at least you finally got a PS3 January, 2010!Your knowledge of the PS3 is sure to increase as you now own one, congrats.

A lot of the games I have played on my 360 recently have been Super Street Fighter and MvC2, I am not even getting any more points in those games (MAXED OUT Gamerscore! Netflix! Wii and PS3 games! ), but the online is so much fun! I just was playing these games the past month almost everyday. :P Of course, you'd know this if you didn't make wild and untrue accusations, and if you were actually on my Xbox 360 Friends list! :shock: But you aren't, so you just guessed again. :cry: Nice try with that wild assumption though. :|

I know this is hard to believe, but when you get 10 Gamerscore, or even 100 Gamerscore (:o ), it doesn't impact a Gamerscore as large as mine, Unless I move at lightspeed with my Gamerscore, I fear I may never be able to please your expectations of my personal gamerscore! When I use Netflix on 360, I may just turn Netflix off, because what if I don't make my Gamerscore move fast enough for you to actually take notice? What if I love a game like GeoW but I've maxed out the gamerscore? I can't play GeoW anymore, right? Right? You made the false comment, sure it's not backed up at all by any evidence, but you threw it out there. ;) You've done that before, wrong everytime, but you've done it. Lies are bad. I mean, Here's one example : I got points in Bayonetta 360 this year, and you didn't PM me once to let me know you were happy about my gamerscore. I don't think you should lie about me on Gamespot, it's not nice.:P

On a more positive note, Congrats on that PS3 ownership to compliment your years of 360 ownership, maybe you will be more fair in the future threads dealing with multiconsole owners like myself. Assumptions are bad. Ciao! ;3

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

Not spying, just know your habits as I know 100's of others here in SW. I have had years, after all. 6th grade? Petty?

Ha. To sum up, You misread my posts (deliberately?), made assumptions, got corrected, made more assumptions, got corrected, then you tried to make it a bit personal, and then you tried to make it a bit personal again. You initiated all of that, I merely responded, kind sir.

Glad you use your prepaid for Xbox Live Account, like I do! Get your money's worth! Well, obviously not as much as I do, as I'm looking at my amazing real life super 102,000+ Gamerscore (which jealous types couldn't believe, lol), but I'm glad to hear you get your money's worth as well...don't worry, The indication that your bias for 360 is well noted, but at least you finally got a PS3 January, 2010!Your knowledge of the PS3 is sure to increase as you now own one, congrats.

A lot of the games I have played on my 360 recently have been Super Street Fighter and MvC2, I am not even getting any more points in those games (MAXED OUT Gamerscore! Netflix! Wii and PS3 games! ), but the online is so much fun! I just was playing these games the past month almost everyday. Of course, you'd know this if you didn't make wild and untrue accusations, and if you were actually on my Xbox 360 Friends list! But you aren't, so you just guessed again. Nice try with that wild assumption though.

I know this is hard to believe, but when you get 10 Gamerscore, or even 100 Gamerscore ( ), it doesn't impact a Gamerscore as large as mine, Unless I move at lightspeed with my Gamerscore, I fear I may never be able to please your expectations of my personal gamerscore! When I use Netflix on 360, I may just turn Netflix off, because what if I don't make my Gamerscore move fast enough for you to actually take notice? What if I love a game like GeoW but I've maxed out the gamerscore? I can't play GeoW anymore, right? Right? You made the false comment about me, sure it's not backed up at all by any evidence, but you threw it out there. You've done that before, wrong everytime, but you've done it. Lies are bad. I mean, Here's one example : I got points in Bayonetta 360 this year, and you didn't PM me once to let me know you were happy about my gamerscore movement. I mean, how many others try to downplay my Gamerscore, without actually knowing anything about it? I don't think you should lie about me on Gamespot, it's not nice.

On a more positive note, Congrats on that PS3 ownership to compliment your years of 360 ownership, maybe you will be more fair in the future threads dealing with multiconsole owners like myself. Assumptions are bad. Ciao! ;3

killab2oo5

Everyone is entitled to their own perception of themselves...heck, even including me. Ciao! :P

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EDIT : killab, this doesn't have to end with a sour note. You think I'm biased, I think you are biased, I had all the systems since launch, you didn't, gamerscore watching, lies, blah...in the end, who cares? It's too easy to forget we are all gamers. If you were one of the many, many GS friends on my 360 FL, you would see I use my 360 all the time. In the end, all I can tell you is that you shouldn't make accusations or assumptions. You shouldn't listen to gossipers that speak of that which they do not know. You should just speak about the original posts, at least of mine in the future.

That being said, we are all human, and we have disagreements/misunderstandings, but that doesn't mean there has to be any type of remote and minute hostility. I'm not going to promote that, and I hope by me editing this, you can see past any small misunderstanding and realize we are all gamers, and that's something that should unite us in any event. We may not see eye to eye, and you made it a bit personal, but it's all good man.

I know this is SW (WAR!), but I just thought I owe this reality to you since SW isn't serious business, despite fanboy's and fanboy unions all up in SW, you have been here a long time, almost 5 years. You are a longtimer, like me, and this kinda stuff is too petty. You wanted maturity, here you go. You can laugh or you can see where I stand. Sure, I could have just danced some more, but we are past that.I came to help out a TC, who clearly knew more than his OP revealed. Whatever, right? There are bigger fish to fry in SW, and new alt accounts to discover, let's use our efforts on things like that.

Agreed?

Have a good one, mate.

We divide a 12 month up (or multiply the 1 month) so we can see how much we save when comparing to the other variations of the subscription, it's the normal thing to do. We also tend to talk about the cheapest average price people pay $40 instead of $50 because people actually do these things in real life.

Sure SWs is about taking things literally so that we can accomplish teh ownage but hey, like most other threads here, I guess that's why this one isn't gonna go anywhere.

Good to know. Doesn't explain the lies about me, I guess they are Unbiased lies! :shock:

Everyone is entitled to their own perception of themselves...heck, even including me. Ciao! :P

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EDIT : killab, this doesn't have to end with a sour note. You think I'm biased, I think you are biased, I had all the systems since launch, you didn't, gamerscore watching, lies, blah...in the end, who cares? It's too easy to forget we are all gamers. If you were one of the many, many GS friends on my 360 FL, you would see I use my 360 all the time. In the end, all I can tell you is that you shouldn't make accusations or assumptions. You shouldn't listen to gossipers that speak of that which they do not know. You should just speak about the original posts, at least of mine in the future.

That being said, we are all human, and we have disagreements/misunderstandings, but that doesn't mean there has to be any type of remote and minute hostility. I'm not going to promote that, and I hope by me editing this, you can see past any small misunderstanding and realize we are all gamers, and that's something that should unite us in any event. We may not see eye to eye, and you made it a bit personal, but it's all good man.

I know this is SW (WAR!), but I just thought I owe this reality to you since SW isn't serious business, despite fanboy's and fanboy unions all up in SW, you have been here a long time, almost 5 years. You are a longtimer, like me, and this kinda stuff is too petty. You wanted maturity, here you go. You can laugh or you can see where I stand. Sure, I could have just danced some more, but we are past that.I came to help out a TC, who clearly knew more than his OP revealed. Whatever, right? There are bigger fish to fry, and fakeboys to bust, let's use our efforts on them.

Agreed?

Have a good one, mate.

SolidTy

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

killab, this doesn't have to end with a sour note. You think I'm biased, I think you are biased, I had all the systems since launch, you didn't, gamerscore watching, lies, blah...in the end, who cares? It's too easy to forget we are all gamers. If you were one of the many, many GS friends on my 360 FL, you would see I use my 360 all the time. In the end, all I can tell you is that you shouldn't make accusations or assumptions. You shouldn't listen to gossipers that speak of that which they do not know. You should just speak about the original posts, at least of mine in the future.

That being said, we are all human, and we have disagreements/misunderstandings, but that doesn't mean there has to be any type of remote and minute hostility. I'm not going to promote that, and I hope by me editing this, you can see past any small misunderstanding and realize we are all gamers, and that's something that should unite us in any event. We may not see eye to eye, and you made it a bit personal, but it's all good man.

I know this is SW (WAR!), but I just thought I owe this reality to you since SW isn't serious business, despite fanboy's and fanboy unions all up in SW, you have been here a long time, almost 5 years. You are a longtimer, like me, and this kinda stuff is too petty. You wanted maturity, here you go. You can laugh or you can see where I stand. Sure, I could have just danced some more, but we are past that.I came to help out a TC, who clearly knew more than his OP revealed. Whatever, right? There are bigger fish to fry in SW, and new alt accounts to discover, let's use our efforts on things like that.

Agreed?

Have a good one, mate.

killab2oo5

I'm sorry for getting under your skin too man. I try to be humorous, but it does rub some the wrong way (I say some, because others love that about me). For example, sometimes I'm joking with my girl, and when she's mad, no matter how great my comedic material is, she stays angry as hell! :P So, I get it.:)

You were just bored about that gossip stuff!:twisted: :P :lol: Ah well, maybe the gossipers were just bored too.:P

I think at some point, we just got to look at fellow veterans with a certain degree of loyalty or respect. That's why I offered the olive branch, it's been a while, and to be honest, there are probably guys in our real lives that deserve to be bickered at.:P

Yay, differences put in shoebox under my bed. :P No more bickering! Hurray!

using the 4 dollars a month idea is by far the stupidest thing to say and is a horrible argument.

I wouldn't say it's stupid for it puts things into perspective that the whole "$50 is ridiculously expensive" isn't necessarily true in the slighest. Each user can set aside about four dollars a month (which is basically one fast food meal), and then purchase an XBL card once it comes time to renew your subscription. If you're a smart shopper, you'll get it for less than other folks (who use the auto-subscribe feature on XBL).

Many things in this world would sound nicer if you were able to break it down on a monthly basis.

That is true.

The principle of charging for online play is absolutely absurd.

No one likes paying for things, just remember that there's no such thing as a free lunch.

since it's inception on teh PC online gaming has always been free.

That is not true.

also using the monthly fails to take into account the long terms effects. I've had my [Xbox 360] for over 3 years now 3*50= $150. thats 2.5 games. in other world i have to sacrifice more than 2 games in my collection to pay for xbl and it's supposedly superior service.

You don't have to pay for it, if you do not think such is worth it, then do not pay for it. Are we going to dive into the power consumption next of the consoles, and the addest cost over years of use and how many games we "sacrficied" because of the power usage?Perhaps that's just silly, regardless, a lot of things can be spun to make you scratch your head -- oh my goodness, I bought a launch Xbox 360 for $400? And it's not only $300 with two free superb games now? Ugh! I could have got four extra games for the same price of the launch Xbox 360. No fair. I do not enjoy such sacrificing!

I'm sorry but push comes to shove i'd rather be able to buy more games and settle for a simpler yet still adequate service of PSN over paying for XBL. Also i want to pose this question to those people who feel XBL is worth it. If gold membership retained all of it's current features but now silver offers online play, friends lists, and basic forms of communication found on PSN for free.Now while you might feel it's worth it but do you really think the other 10 million(not sure on that number) people also agree and will continue to for XBL? When push comes to shove people would rather pay less or not pay at all if they can get a basic service. MS also knows when they first created xbl were hoping people would adpot it. If gamers back on the xbox would have said now XBL would now be free. It only because the precedent was set that gamers are willing to pay for online that this is even an issue.

I'm inclined to agree, if gamers refused to pay for it in whole -- then it wouldn't cost anything. Much like how PC gamers were outraged at Microsoft for their Games for Windows Live deal.

Ragashahs

Answers in teh blu.

SolidTy has succinctly explained this, but I'll repeat: you can either pay 8 dollars a month, OR 50 dollars a year. The latter is paid in a single payment, so it's not 4 dollars a month. That would imply monthly payments.

You'd be very foolish to buy it month to month continuously.Phazevariance

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[QUOTE="Trinexxx"] Haha, except you played "the number game" wrong. Yours is a total, assuming the person would play Xbox Live for 5 years (even though they could cancel it at any time for whatever reason). It would still, however, be around $4 a month. Yours is cumulative, we are talking average. You shouldn't be ditching math class. locopatho

Please, you're trying WAY too hard. People that try to justify XBL by dividing it into a monthly value are just pathetic in general.

The same could be said for the 4 dollar per month calculation. You don't get to decide how many months you want to pay, you pay for the whole year and after the one time cost M$ could care less about you until when it's time for a renewal.

The smart money says anyone who's subscribed to XBL is going to continue to renew it until:

A)The person stops playing their 360 altogether.

B)The person stops playing online multiplayer.

I think it's safe to say that I didn't fail math class, but someone here sure failed reading comprehension, not to mention common sense. :lol:

It's all in the eye of the beholder, which is fine but it still doesn't exist as a payment option in the real world.

50/12....

Yeah the way lems damage control price of XBL and accessories is quite hilarious, on the other hand $50 isn't that much if you're already spending a mint on games and consoles. MS likes to overcharge for stuff, but in the end I think it's worth it or I wouldn't pay.Hahadouken

o so i should pay 50$ all at once now? :roll:

id rather buy a game

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[QUOTE="Senor_Kami"]$4 is pure bullocks and people need to stop spreading it. Lems and their nonsense. I just went on Amazon and saw a 12-month XBL card for $40. I'm no math experts but 40/12 =/= 4. Lems need to stop with the BS and come clean.Senor_Kami

[QUOTE="Hahadouken"]Yeah the way lems damage control price of XBL and accessories is quite hilarious, on the other hand $50 isn't that much if you're already spending a mint on games and consoles. MS likes to overcharge for stuff, but in the end I think it's worth it or I wouldn't pay.Jamiemydearx3

Making a good logical point here.

It's 8 bucks a month for XBL. I should know because I used to spend the bill.

8 * 12 = 96.00 a year.

The 50 bucks up front is the supposed 4.00 a month argument.However it isn't. Reason being, you are not paying monthly.

However, keep in mind, you are not just paying for xbox live, you are paying for your internet provider as well.So for me it was 62 bucks a month.

62 * 12 = 840 a year = Xbox Live costing me

54 * 12 = 648 a year = Internet costing me with PSN and Nintendo WFC being free.

I save $192 a year not paying for online play.

Way I see it: Internet multiplayer should be free.

Well in Australia it is $79.99 a year which is about $6.66 a month.Maybe in this exercise, MS are rounding to the nearest dollar with it being US$4.17 then that would make it 4 bucks.

They could also be looking at the lowest price they ever sold a subscription for. I know before the XBox360 was released, they were stating that the current XBox Live subscribers would be automatically converted to Gold when the 360 is released and it have the current paid to date. I saw the came Crimson Skies that was in a throw out pargain bin it contained a 12 month Live membership and headset plus game for 20 bucks and 20 bucks Australian mind you. Got a couple for me and a friend. Entered the codes, my scription extended by 12 months each time. That in theory cost me AU$1.66. Cheap as chips.

Who knows what figure they were using.

Making a good logical point here.

It's 8 bucks a month for XBL. I should know because I used to spend the bill.

8 * 12 = 96.00 a year.

The 50 bucks up front is the supposed 4.00 a month argument.However it isn't. Reason being, you are not paying monthly.

However, keep in mind, you are not just paying for xbox live, you are paying for your internet provider as well.So for me it was 70 bucks a month. Way I see it: Internet multiplayer should be free.

I am sure when he said the value there was a small * there stating the cost of the ISP was not included. I am sure it flashed up quickly.mike_on_mic

Lol which can show misinformed approach to the subject at hand.

You can buy 1 month of XBL for $1 ...