Which is more innovative: LBP or Wiifit?

[QUOTE="kittykatz5k"][QUOTE="NobuoMusicMaker"]A super mecha walking robot that's 2 miles high, you can make that easily.

NobuoMusicMaker

I hope your dreems of making that mecha robo thingy arn't too high... your tools are mainly limited to spinning wheels that you cannot really controland formable blocks.

It's a pretty dynamic and simple system but it's not gonna make you anything you want.

Watch the stage demo. Watch how that dragon works.

If we're talkinga bout the same thing here, I think it's YOU hwo needs to rewatch it. He had NO control over that thing, the legs just kept spinning forward and it just kept jumping in response to the legs hitting the floor. It didn't even move smoothly at all. YOu could NOT make a mech ouf of that thing.

[QUOTE="RahnAetas"]

What am I grasping at? It's been done before. So far the only thing that's 'innovative' is that it's 'easy' *clap clap* Everytime I point out something that contradicts your LBP is innovative statement you just change the rules for what makes it innovative. Now you're just resorting to personal attacks by saying I'm grasping at straws.

It's not innovative. Level creation has been done before. Custom content has been done before. Custom design has been done before.

NobuoMusicMaker

Even devs acknowledge it at GDC 07. Even game news publishers call it innovative. Only the stubborn refuse to see its innovation.

I don't need to counter any of your points. The facts are there. Only you won't admit them.

Personal attacks, then using other people's opinions to argue for you. Yay! I never said that LBP wouldn't be fun, I'd play it. It's still not innovative, I'm sorry. There's nothing new to it. It looks and seems like a well crafted game, but nothing it does innovates anything.

What does it innovate exactly?

[QUOTE="NobuoMusicMaker"][QUOTE="kittykatz5k"][QUOTE="NobuoMusicMaker"]A super mecha walking robot that's 2 miles high, you can make that easily.

kittykatz5k

I hope your dreems of making that mecha robo thingy arn't too high... your tools are mainly limited to spinning wheels that you cannot really controland formable blocks.

It's a pretty dynamic and simple system but it's not gonna make you anything you want.

Watch the stage demo. Watch how that dragon works.

If we're talkinga bout the same thing here, I think it's YOU hwo needs to rewatch it. He had NO control over that thing, the legs just kept spinning forward and it just kept jumping in response to the legs hitting the floor. It didn't even move smoothly at all. YOu could NOT make a mech ouf of that thing.

Uh who says I wanted to control it. I'll just jump on it and it'll run over everything that gets in its way.

Personal attacks, then using other people's opinions to argue for you. Yay! I never said that LBP wouldn't be fun, I'd play it. It's still not innovative, I'm sorry. There's nothing new to it. It looks and seems like a well crafted game, but nothing it does innovates anything.

What does it innovate exactly?

RahnAetas

User creative accessibility and the ability to share it and have shared creativity.

[QUOTE="kittykatz5k"][QUOTE="NobuoMusicMaker"][QUOTE="kittykatz5k"][QUOTE="NobuoMusicMaker"]A super mecha walking robot that's 2 miles high, you can make that easily.

NobuoMusicMaker

I hope your dreems of making that mecha robo thingy arn't too high... your tools are mainly limited to spinning wheels that you cannot really controland formable blocks.

It's a pretty dynamic and simple system but it's not gonna make you anything you want.

Watch the stage demo. Watch how that dragon works.

If we're talkinga bout the same thing here, I think it's YOU hwo needs to rewatch it. He had NO control over that thing, the legs just kept spinning forward and it just kept jumping in response to the legs hitting the floor. It didn't even move smoothly at all. YOu could NOT make a mech ouf of that thing.

Uh who says I wanted to control it. I'll just jump on it and it'll run over everything that gets in its way.

So basically you'll make a giant semi human shapped object with 2 spinning legs that you have no control over. YOu expect to keep this thing balanced... how?

[QUOTE="RahnAetas"]

Personal attacks, then using other people's opinions to argue for you. Yay! I never said that LBP wouldn't be fun, I'd play it. It's still not innovative, I'm sorry. There's nothing new to it. It looks and seems like a well crafted game, but nothing it does innovates anything.

What does it innovate exactly?

NobuoMusicMaker

User creative accessibility and the ability to share it and have shared creativity.

*again points to Second Life*

*again points to Second Life*

RahnAetas

Okay, go make a 20 foot 3-D dragon with a swinging tail and moving legs in 2 hours. Make a video of it then show it to me on youtube.

Go. If it's so easy, just do it right?

Better yet: Make a series of moving gyros, a bunch of dynamically shaped cogs, a cover with numbers on it and have a long hand and a short hand move in a circular motion depending on the movement of the clockwork engine you created...In Second life.

*again points to Second Life*RahnAetas

Yes, you've dusted off this chest-nut multiple times already, but you've been unable to actually compare the two side by side. You've just used broad notions of "creatable content" all the while not really emphasizing the nature of the content in the first place and whether or not said content could be used for more than one purpose within either game.

[QUOTE="RahnAetas"]

*again points to Second Life*

NobuoMusicMaker

Okay, go make a 20 foot 3-D dragon with a swinging tail and moving legs in 2 hours. Make a video of it then show it to me on youtube.

Go. If it's so easy, just do it right?

I'm going to bed soon. Want me to make that in garry's mod, about 10 minutes of work, when I wake up?

[QUOTE="RahnAetas"]

*again points to Second Life*

NobuoMusicMaker

Okay, go make a 20 foot 3-D dragon with a swinging tail and moving legs in 2 hours. Make a video of it then show it to me on youtube.

Go. If it's so easy, just do it right?

Seems to be easy enough since Second Life thrives and lives off custom created stuff. Sorry when it comes to the three things you listed Second Life "innovated" it before LBP. Even then, other games have done indivdual aspects even earlier. "Creative accessiblity" can be had from any game that has a custom editor, and those editors vary in complexity and user friendliness. Sharing user created content has existed for a long time as well, especially with the rise in the popularity of the Internet.

Yes, you've dusted off this chest-nut multiple times already, but you've been unable to actually compare the two side by side. You've just used broad notions of "creatable content" all the while not really emphasizing the nature of the content in the first place and whether or not said content could be used for more than one purpose within either game.

Pariah_001

Don't blame me. I'm not the one who's tacking on extra rules on what makes custom content more innovated from another game's custom content.

[QUOTE="RahnAetas"]

Personal attacks, then using other people's opinions to argue for you. Yay! I never said that LBP wouldn't be fun, I'd play it. It's still not innovative, I'm sorry. There's nothing new to it. It looks and seems like a well crafted game, but nothing it does innovates anything.

What does it innovate exactly?

NobuoMusicMaker

User creative accessibility and the ability to share it and have shared creativity.

That sounds kinda like, oh...I dunno...Mods, perhaps? LBP is great, no doubt, but it doesn't do anything that Gary's Mod didn't do years ago.

Wii Fit? :lol:

It's LBP that's more innovative, no contest. It's the concept here that's intriguing people and that's what makes it so. Wii Fit...please, I can't think of anything unorthodox about it. It's marketed to people who're convinced it'll help them lose weight. Nothing innovative about that at all. ZERO, ZIP, NADA.

I'm going to bed soon. Want me to make that in garry's mod, about 10 minutes of work, when I wake up?

kittykatz5k

Go ahead, and oh... you can use imported stuff. Just blocks, sticks and wheels.

Seems to be easy enough since Second Life thrives and lives off custom created stuff. Sorry when it comes to the three things you listed Second Life "innovated" it before LBP. Even then, other games have done indivdual aspects even earlier. "Creative accessiblity" can be had from any game that has a custom editor, and those editors vary in complexity and user friendliness. Sharing user created content has existed for a long time as well, especially with the rise in the popularity of the Internet.

RahnAetas

Look above. Do it. You'll grow an inch of hair before you done doing it from scratch.

Don't blame me. I'm not the one who's tacking on extra rules on what makes custom content more innovated from another game's custom content.RahnAetas

Second Life just doesn't make the cut. It's way too rigid.

I just got a look at Gary's Mod on the other hand, so I'd have to conceed in that case.

[QUOTE="RahnAetas"]Don't blame me. I'm not the one who's tacking on extra rules on what makes custom content more innovated from another game's custom content.Pariah_001

Second Life just doesn't make the cut. It's way too rigid.

I just got a look at Gary's Mod on the other hand, so I'd have to conceed in that case.

For the purposes of this thread it's too rigid because people say so. Rather convient for the sake of arguing innovation isn't it? Creation of custom content is reliant on the program. Some people design very friendly creation kits, others you need to be practically a game designer yourself to make anything.

Either way there's no innovation because easy custom tools have been done before. Just because LBP has a larger library of stuff to work with doesn't exactly make it more innovative, just gives people more options easier.

[QUOTE="kittykatz5k"]

I'm going to bed soon. Want me to make that in garry's mod, about 10 minutes of work, when I wake up?

NobuoMusicMaker

Go ahead, and oh... you can use imported stuff. Just blocks, sticks and wheels.

Why not? So because LBP doesn't (thus far) have importable objects, he's not allowed to use them in Gary's Mod?

That's down-right stupid. And you're not helping your point, you're just changing you stance every time he has your argument by the balls.

Look above. Do it. You'll grow an inch of hair before you done doing it from scratch.NobuoMusicMaker

If you have a point to make, make it, don't issue silly challenges. At this point I'll just assume your 'point' is that LBP's innovation is the introduction of an easy to use custom content editor. To that: *points to Excitebike*

[QUOTE="Pariah_001"]

[QUOTE="RahnAetas"]Don't blame me. I'm not the one who's tacking on extra rules on what makes custom content more innovated from another game's custom content.RahnAetas

Second Life just doesn't make the cut. It's way too rigid.

I just got a look at Gary's Mod on the other hand, so I'd have to conceed in that case.

For the purposes of this thread it's too rigid because people say so. Rather convient for the sake of arguing innovation isn't it? Creation of custom content is reliant on the program. Some people design very friendly creation kits, others you need to be practically a game designer yourself to make anything.

Either way there's no innovation because easy custom tools have been done before. Just because LBP has a larger library of stuff to work with doesn't exactly make it more innovative, just gives people more options easier.

LBP is innovative. Post a video that is similar.

I'm still waiting to see some actual innovation (ie. something that we haven't seen in previous games) in LittleBigPlanet. WiiFit isn't very innovative, but it still beats out LBP, which doesn't seem to have any innovation at all.Planeforger

[QUOTE="Planeforger"]I'm still waiting to see some actual innovation (ie. something that we haven't seen in previous games) in LittleBigPlanet. WiiFit isn't very innovative, but it still beats out LBP, which doesn't seem to have any innovation at all.ken_gamer

I'll gladly change my mind if you can name some of LBP's innovations...

I'm still waiting to see some actual innovation (ie. something that we haven't seen in previous games) in LittleBigPlanet. WiiFit isn't very innovative, but it still beats out LBP, which doesn't seem to have any innovation at all.Planeforger

http://www.gamespot.com/video/938583/6174907/littlebigplanet-gameplay-movie-2

LBP is innovative. Post a video that is similar.XenogearsMaster

I can argue Sim City is more innovative because you can actually mess with a 3D environment, not a 2D environment.

[QUOTE="NobuoMusicMaker"]Look above. Do it. You'll grow an inch of hair before you done doing it from scratch.RahnAetas

If you have a point to make, make it, don't issue silly challenges. At this point I'll just assume your 'point' is that LBP's innovation is the introduction of an easy to use custom content editor. To that: *points to Excitebike*

If we are gonna go bye the rules u guys just made up, then neither. Wii fit is just a balance board outputed to ur tv and yes a balance board has been done before and yes i can also get my weight checked anytime i wanted. And instead of playin Wii with my hands i play it with my feet. Now Wii fit just brings it in to a nice neat package. LBP(My favorite game of the two) has those creative building elements that other games have done, mixing it in to a 2d/3d enviornment, then pairing that with the ability to easily share creative levels and idea with a tight community. Yes it been done before. But the way its been handled it just seems that LBP is more "innovative".

[QUOTE="Planeforger"]I'm still waiting to see some actual innovation (ie. something that we haven't seen in previous games) in LittleBigPlanet. WiiFit isn't very innovative, but it still beats out LBP, which doesn't seem to have any innovation at all.XenogearsMaster

http://www.gamespot.com/video/938583/6174907/littlebigplanet-gameplay-movie-2

I already know that it is a multiplayer, physics-based sandbox game...where's the innovation? We've been playing those for at least three years.

[QUOTE="Planeforger"]I'm still waiting to see some actual innovation (ie. something that we haven't seen in previous games) in LittleBigPlanet. WiiFit isn't very innovative, but it still beats out LBP, which doesn't seem to have any innovation at all.ken_gamer

Your lack of argument is compelling. :roll:

[QUOTE="XenogearsMaster"]LBP is innovative. Post a video that is similar.RahnAetas

I can argue Sim City is more innovative because you can actually mess with a 3D environment, not a 2D environment.

So no video huh...

[QUOTE="XenogearsMaster"]

[QUOTE="Planeforger"]I'm still waiting to see some actual innovation (ie. something that we haven't seen in previous games) in LittleBigPlanet. WiiFit isn't very innovative, but it still beats out LBP, which doesn't seem to have any innovation at all.Planeforger

http://www.gamespot.com/video/938583/6174907/littlebigplanet-gameplay-movie-2

I already know that it is a multiplayer, physics-based sandbox game...where's the innovation?

OK, post a video that is similar to it.

[QUOTE="RahnAetas"]

[QUOTE="XenogearsMaster"]LBP is innovative. Post a video that is similar.XenogearsMaster

I can argue Sim City is more innovative because you can actually mess with a 3D environment, not a 2D environment.

So no video huh...

Remind me again what is compelling me to post up videos of the creation of custom content? Custom content is an old, old, old concept and has been implemented many times in many games.

[QUOTE="ken_gamer"][QUOTE="Planeforger"]I'm still waiting to see some actual innovation (ie. something that we haven't seen in previous games) in LittleBigPlanet. WiiFit isn't very innovative, but it still beats out LBP, which doesn't seem to have any innovation at all.Planeforger

I'll gladly change my mind if you can name some of LBP's innovations...

"WiiFit isn't very innovative, but it still beats out LBP"

I don't know how you managed to pull that crap out of your mind.

[QUOTE="XenogearsMaster"][QUOTE="RahnAetas"]

[QUOTE="XenogearsMaster"]LBP is innovative. Post a video that is similar.RahnAetas

I can argue Sim City is more innovative because you can actually mess with a 3D environment, not a 2D environment.

So no video huh...

Remind me again what is compelling me to post up videos of the creation of custom content? Custom content is an old, old, old concept and has been implemented many times in many games.

You're just broading your argument. Sorry there is no game similar to what LBP is...

You can't argue with that.

[QUOTE="ken_gamer"][QUOTE="Planeforger"]I'm still waiting to see some actual innovation (ie. something that we haven't seen in previous games) in LittleBigPlanet. WiiFit isn't very innovative, but it still beats out LBP, which doesn't seem to have any innovation at all.Tylendal

Your lack of argument is compelling. :roll:

[QUOTE="XenogearsMaster"][QUOTE="RahnAetas"]

[QUOTE="XenogearsMaster"]LBP is innovative. Post a video that is similar.RahnAetas

I can argue Sim City is more innovative because you can actually mess with a 3D environment, not a 2D environment.

So no video huh...

Remind me again what is compelling me to post up videos of the creation of custom content? Custom content is an old, old, old concept and has been implemented many times in many games.

Its crazy how no ones coming back at u. Yes maybe the LBP isnt innovative but wat make wiifit soo innovative

You're just broading your argument. Sorry there is no game similar to what LBP is...

You can't argue with that.

XenogearsMaster

You weren't specific to being with. Oh, and as to a game similar to LBP, it reminds me of The Increadible Machine, or a few marble based puzzle games.

Its crazy how no ones coming back at u. Yes maybe the LBP isnt innovative but wat make wiifit soo innovativeofx360

Nothing really makes WiiFit that innovative. I applaude you to be the first to actually turn the arguement around. You earn a cookie! The definition of innovation is to introduce something new. The balance board is something that's 'new' ina sense despite the concept being introduced something like 25 years ago.Though in relation to the video game industry it is something that qualifies as innovative. If it's popular or not, if it will sell or not remains to be seen.

Afterall the Virtual Boy was innovative, but that thing tanked pretty hard pretty fast.

[QUOTE="RahnAetas"][QUOTE="XenogearsMaster"][QUOTE="RahnAetas"]

[QUOTE="XenogearsMaster"]LBP is innovative. Post a video that is similar.ofx360

I can argue Sim City is more innovative because you can actually mess with a 3D environment, not a 2D environment.

So no video huh...

Remind me again what is compelling me to post up videos of the creation of custom content? Custom content is an old, old, old concept and has been implemented many times in many games.

Its crazy how no ones coming back at u. Yes maybe the LBP isnt innovative but wat make wiifit soo innovative

Show me five games that do the same thing Wii-Fit does.

[QUOTE="RahnAetas"]

[QUOTE="NobuoMusicMaker"]Look above. Do it. You'll grow an inch of hair before you done doing it from scratch.ofx360

If you have a point to make, make it, don't issue silly challenges. At this point I'll just assume your 'point' is that LBP's innovation is the introduction of an easy to use custom content editor. To that: *points to Excitebike*

If we are gonna go bye the rules u guys just made up, then neither. Wii fit is just a balance board outputed to ur tv and yes a balance board has been done before and yes i can also get my weight checked anytime i wanted. And instead of playin Wii with my hands i play it with my feet. Now Wii fit just brings it in to a nice neat package. LBP(My favorite game of the two) has those creative building elements that other games have done, mixing it in to a 2d/3d enviornment, then pairing that with the ability to easily share creative levels and idea with a tight community. Yes it been done before. But the way its been handled it just seems that LBP is more "innovative".

Balance boards exist, yes, but I can't find anything that used them for games, per se, and definitely not in conjunction with a visual fitness aide.

LBP, on the other hand, is a simplified Gary's Mod for consoles. It'll be a lot more fun, but that's not the topic in question.

[QUOTE="XenogearsMaster"]

You're just broading your argument. Sorry there is no game similar to what LBP is...

You can't argue with that.

RahnAetas

You weren't specific to being with. Oh, and as to a game similar to LBP, it reminds me of The Increadible Machine, or a few marble based puzzle games.

Sorry, those games doesn't cut it.

I guess you don't really have an argument. Just give up.

[QUOTE="ofx360"][QUOTE="RahnAetas"]

[QUOTE="NobuoMusicMaker"]Look above. Do it. You'll grow an inch of hair before you done doing it from scratch.Smoke_ManMuscle

If you have a point to make, make it, don't issue silly challenges. At this point I'll just assume your 'point' is that LBP's innovation is the introduction of an easy to use custom content editor. To that: *points to Excitebike*

If we are gonna go bye the rules u guys just made up, then neither. Wii fit is just a balance board outputed to ur tv and yes a balance board has been done before and yes i can also get my weight checked anytime i wanted. And instead of playin Wii with my hands i play it with my feet. Now Wii fit just brings it in to a nice neat package. LBP(My favorite game of the two) has those creative building elements that other games have done, mixing it in to a 2d/3d enviornment, then pairing that with the ability to easily share creative levels and idea with a tight community. Yes it been done before. But the way its been handled it just seems that LBP is more "innovative".

Balance boards exist, yes, but I can't find anything that used them for games, per se, and definitely not in conjunction with a visual fitness aide.

LBP, on the other hand, is a simplified Gary's Mod for consoles. It'll be a lot more fun, but that's not the topic in question.

[QUOTE="ofx360"]Its crazy how no ones coming back at u. Yes maybe the LBP isnt innovative but wat make wiifit soo innovativeRahnAetas

Nothing really makes WiiFit that innovative. I applaude you to be the first to actually turn the arguement around. You earn a cookie! The definition of innovation is to introduce something new. The balance board is something that's 'new' ina sense despite the concept being introduced something like 25 years ago.Though in relation to the video game industry it is something that qualifies as innovative. If it's popular or not, if it will sell or not remains to be seen.

Afterall the Virtual Boy was innovative, but that thing tanked pretty hard pretty fast.

MMMMM that cookie is delicious and HAHAHA none of you blind fanboys can have any. FACE

[QUOTE="RahnAetas"][QUOTE="XenogearsMaster"]

You're just broading your argument. Sorry there is no game similar to what LBP is...

You can't argue with that.

XenogearsMaster

You weren't specific to being with. Oh, and as to a game similar to LBP, it reminds me of The Increadible Machine, or a few marble based puzzle games.

Sorry, those games doesn't cut it.

I guess you don't really have an argument. Just give up.

I'm sorry "they just don't cut it" is not a counter-arguement. It's saying "Yes" after I say "No"

[QUOTE="XenogearsMaster"][QUOTE="RahnAetas"][QUOTE="XenogearsMaster"]

You're just broading your argument. Sorry there is no game similar to what LBP is...

You can't argue with that.

RahnAetas

You weren't specific to being with. Oh, and as to a game similar to LBP, it reminds me of The Increadible Machine, or a few marble based puzzle games.

Sorry, those games doesn't cut it.

I guess you don't really have an argument. Just give up.

I'm sorry "they just don't cut it" is not a counter-arguement. It's saying "Yes" after I say "No"

Where is the video then?

Where is the video then?

XenogearsMaster

Why should I bother? You'll just say "Sorry it doesn't cut it." You haven't shown any intrest in debate, you just want me to go out and fetch you things so you can say "It's not the same." "It doesn't count." Stop wasting my time.