Which is more innovative: LBP or Wiifit?

[QUOTE="RahnAetas"][QUOTE="XenogearsMaster"][QUOTE="RahnAetas"][QUOTE="XenogearsMaster"]

You're just broading your argument. Sorry there is no game similar to what LBP is...

You can't argue with that.

XenogearsMaster

You weren't specific to being with. Oh, and as to a game similar to LBP, it reminds me of The Increadible Machine, or a few marble based puzzle games.

Sorry, those games doesn't cut it.

I guess you don't really have an argument. Just give up.

I'm sorry "they just don't cut it" is not a counter-arguement. It's saying "Yes" after I say "No"

Where is the video then?

Asking for a video of user-generated content that matches and surpasses that of LBP is about as sane as asking for video proving that the sky is blue.

Valve's SDK for their Source Engine alone is proof enough.

[QUOTE="ofx360"][QUOTE="RahnAetas"]

[QUOTE="NobuoMusicMaker"]Look above. Do it. You'll grow an inch of hair before you done doing it from scratch.Smoke_ManMuscle

If you have a point to make, make it, don't issue silly challenges. At this point I'll just assume your 'point' is that LBP's innovation is the introduction of an easy to use custom content editor. To that: *points to Excitebike*

If we are gonna go bye the rules u guys just made up, then neither. Wii fit is just a balance board outputed to ur tv and yes a balance board has been done before and yes i can also get my weight checked anytime i wanted. And instead of playin Wii with my hands i play it with my feet. Now Wii fit just brings it in to a nice neat package. LBP(My favorite game of the two) has those creative building elements that other games have done, mixing it in to a 2d/3d enviornment, then pairing that with the ability to easily share creative levels and idea with a tight community. Yes it been done before. But the way its been handled it just seems that LBP is more "innovative".

Balance boards exist, yes, but I can't find anything that used them for games, per se, and definitely not in conjunction with a visual fitness aide.

LBP, on the other hand, is a simplified Gary's Mod for consoles. It'll be a lot more fun, but that's not the topic in question.

Yes maybe not for fitness but those umm.... what are they, there like little electronic snowboards thats you plug in ur tv(can someone find me a picture that would be nice) kinda remind me of the balance board. And im pretty sure if u slapped FIT on the back of one of those it could double as a fitness thing. Trust me those things are tiring

[QUOTE="Smoke_ManMuscle"][QUOTE="ofx360"][QUOTE="RahnAetas"]

[QUOTE="NobuoMusicMaker"]Look above. Do it. You'll grow an inch of hair before you done doing it from scratch.ofx360

If you have a point to make, make it, don't issue silly challenges. At this point I'll just assume your 'point' is that LBP's innovation is the introduction of an easy to use custom content editor. To that: *points to Excitebike*

If we are gonna go bye the rules u guys just made up, then neither. Wii fit is just a balance board outputed to ur tv and yes a balance board has been done before and yes i can also get my weight checked anytime i wanted. And instead of playin Wii with my hands i play it with my feet. Now Wii fit just brings it in to a nice neat package. LBP(My favorite game of the two) has those creative building elements that other games have done, mixing it in to a 2d/3d enviornment, then pairing that with the ability to easily share creative levels and idea with a tight community. Yes it been done before. But the way its been handled it just seems that LBP is more "innovative".

Balance boards exist, yes, but I can't find anything that used them for games, per se, and definitely not in conjunction with a visual fitness aide.

LBP, on the other hand, is a simplified Gary's Mod for consoles. It'll be a lot more fun, but that's not the topic in question.

Yes maybe not for fitness but those umm.... what are they, there like little electronic snowboards thats you plug in ur tv(can someone find me a picture that would be nice) kinda remind me of the balance board. And im pretty sure if u slapped FIT on the back of one of those it could double as a fitness thing. Trust me those things are tiring

Ding ding ding, you have your answer.

Nobody's debating which is more fun. However, which is more innovative is pretty obvious.

[QUOTE="ofx360"][QUOTE="Smoke_ManMuscle"][QUOTE="ofx360"][QUOTE="RahnAetas"]

[QUOTE="NobuoMusicMaker"]Look above. Do it. You'll grow an inch of hair before you done doing it from scratch.Smoke_ManMuscle

If you have a point to make, make it, don't issue silly challenges. At this point I'll just assume your 'point' is that LBP's innovation is the introduction of an easy to use custom content editor. To that: *points to Excitebike*

If we are gonna go bye the rules u guys just made up, then neither. Wii fit is just a balance board outputed to ur tv and yes a balance board has been done before and yes i can also get my weight checked anytime i wanted. And instead of playin Wii with my hands i play it with my feet. Now Wii fit just brings it in to a nice neat package. LBP(My favorite game of the two) has those creative building elements that other games have done, mixing it in to a 2d/3d enviornment, then pairing that with the ability to easily share creative levels and idea with a tight community. Yes it been done before. But the way its been handled it just seems that LBP is more "innovative".

Balance boards exist, yes, but I can't find anything that used them for games, per se, and definitely not in conjunction with a visual fitness aide.

LBP, on the other hand, is a simplified Gary's Mod for consoles. It'll be a lot more fun, but that's not the topic in question.

Yes maybe not for fitness but those umm.... what are they, there like little electronic snowboards thats you plug in ur tv(can someone find me a picture that would be nice) kinda remind me of the balance board. And im pretty sure if u slapped FIT on the back of one of those it could double as a fitness thing. Trust me those things are tiring

Ding ding ding, you have your answer.

Nobody's debating which is more fun. However, which is more innovative is pretty obvious.

What is your definition of innovative. Just because u slap FIT on it doesnt make it "innovative"

[QUOTE="XenogearsMaster"]Where is the video then?

RahnAetas

Why should I bother? You'll just say "Sorry it doesn't cut it." You haven't shown any intrest in debate, you just want me to go out and fetch you things so you can say "It's not the same." "It doesn't count." Stop wasting my time.

So you didn't have any argument what so ever.. You were just going about "OMGZZZ ummm teh custom stuff has done beforezzzzzz blah blah." "I'm just a PC fanboyzzzz"

If you have any videothat isremotely similar to what LBP is, then thisdebate is over.

What is your definition of innovative. Just because u slap FIT on it doesnt make it "innovative"ofx360

There really shouldn't be a personal definition of innovative. The definition is the introduction of something new. The problem really revolves around what qualifies as new.

[QUOTE="RahnAetas"][QUOTE="XenogearsMaster"]Where is the video then?

XenogearsMaster

Why should I bother? You'll just say "Sorry it doesn't cut it." You haven't shown any intrest in debate, you just want me to go out and fetch you things so you can say "It's not the same." "It doesn't count." Stop wasting my time.

So you didn't have any argument what so ever.. You were just going about "OMGZZZ ummm teh custom stuff has done beforezzzzzz blah blah." "I'm just a PC fanboyzzzz"

If you have any videothat isremotely similar to what LBP is, then thisdebate is over.

Hey cold down there little buddy. Now let me ask you a question, please can you tell what Little Big Planet does that no other game does

So you didn't have any argument what so ever.. You were just going about "OMGZZZ ummm teh custom stuff has done beforezzzzzz blah blah." "I'm just a PC fanboyzzzz"

If you have any videothat isremotely similar to what LBP is, then thisdebate is over.

XenogearsMaster

Yes, my argument is, as you so elegantly put it "OMGZZZ ummm teh custom stuff has done beforezzzzzz blah blah." And lots of games have custom content creation editors.

Your 'counter arguement' is telling me to show videos. Know what? If I show you videos of any custom content being created you'll say "Doesn't count." This debate isn't over, it never even started, you never made any point. All you said was "post video" over and over and over.

[QUOTE="ofx360"]What is your definition of innovative. Just because u slap FIT on it doesnt make it "innovative"RahnAetas

There really shouldn't be a personal definition of innovative. The definition is the introduction of something new. The problem really revolves around what qualifies as new.

But do we qualify as new. This is a conundrum

[QUOTE="XenogearsMaster"][QUOTE="RahnAetas"][QUOTE="XenogearsMaster"]Where is the video then?

ofx360

Why should I bother? You'll just say "Sorry it doesn't cut it." You haven't shown any intrest in debate, you just want me to go out and fetch you things so you can say "It's not the same." "It doesn't count." Stop wasting my time.

So you didn't have any argument what so ever.. You were just going about "OMGZZZ ummm teh custom stuff has done beforezzzzzz blah blah." "I'm just a PC fanboyzzzz"

If you have any videothat isremotely similar to what LBP is, then thisdebate is over.

Hey cold down there little buddy. Now let me ask you a question, please can you tell what Little Big Planet does that no other game does

Just watch some of the videos on Gamespot.

[QUOTE="ofx360"][QUOTE="XenogearsMaster"][QUOTE="RahnAetas"][QUOTE="XenogearsMaster"]Where is the video then?

XenogearsMaster

Why should I bother? You'll just say "Sorry it doesn't cut it." You haven't shown any intrest in debate, you just want me to go out and fetch you things so you can say "It's not the same." "It doesn't count." Stop wasting my time.

So you didn't have any argument what so ever.. You were just going about "OMGZZZ ummm teh custom stuff has done beforezzzzzz blah blah." "I'm just a PC fanboyzzzz"

If you have any videothat isremotely similar to what LBP is, then thisdebate is over.

Hey cold down there little buddy. Now let me ask you a question, please can you tell what Little Big Planet does that no other game does

Just watch some of the videos on Gamespot.

Yea the thing is i LOVE LBP i seen ALL the videos and everything i've seen has been done one way or another.

[QUOTE="RahnAetas"]

[QUOTE="ofx360"]What is your definition of innovative. Just because u slap FIT on it doesnt make it "innovative"ofx360

There really shouldn't be a personal definition of innovative. The definition is the introduction of something new. The problem really revolves around what qualifies as new.

But do we qualify as new. This is a conundrum

These days few things qualify as innovative. In the old days it was easier because stuff like 3D brought in the new genres that were obviously innovations built upon a 3D environment. LBP falls under the catagory of 2D sidescroller with custom level creation. A rather broad catagorization but it fits. What other catagories would it fall under really? Or does a whole new catagory have to be created and thus... innovation! Course I might be just babbling.

[QUOTE="ofx360"]

Hey cold down there little buddy. Now let me ask you a question, please can you tell what Little Big Planet does that no other game does

XenogearsMaster

Just watch some of the videos on Gamespot.

That isn't an argument. Actually write what you think is innovative about the game. Is it the physics? We've seen them before. The ability to spawn items, build structures, etc? We've seen it already.

Is it all of this, plus co-op multiplayer? We've seen that before, too. So what is it?

What is your definition of innovative. Just because u slap FIT on it doesnt make it "innovative"

ofx360

Slapping "fit' on the title doesn't make it innovative.

Using a balance board that's more advanced than any other used for gaming in conjunction with a visual workout assistant, however, does.

[QUOTE="ofx360"][QUOTE="XenogearsMaster"][QUOTE="RahnAetas"][QUOTE="XenogearsMaster"]Where is the video then?

XenogearsMaster

Why should I bother? You'll just say "Sorry it doesn't cut it." You haven't shown any intrest in debate, you just want me to go out and fetch you things so you can say "It's not the same." "It doesn't count." Stop wasting my time.

So you didn't have any argument what so ever.. You were just going about "OMGZZZ ummm teh custom stuff has done beforezzzzzz blah blah." "I'm just a PC fanboyzzzz"

If you have any videothat isremotely similar to what LBP is, then thisdebate is over.

Hey cold down there little buddy. Now let me ask you a question, please can you tell what Little Big Planet does that no other game does

Just watch some of the videos on Gamespot.

And now to come at u with fury: ZOMG, UR NOT EVN ANSWRING MY QUESTION, ZOMG. WHY DNT U YOU JUST ANSWR MY QUESTION, OH I KNW WHY CAUSE U CANT. ALL U CAN SAY IS GO WATCH TEH VIDEO. FACE

[QUOTE="ofx360"]

What is your definition of innovative. Just because u slap FIT on it doesnt make it "innovative"

Smoke_ManMuscle

Slapping "fit' on the title doesn't make it innovative.

Using a balance board that's more advanced than any other used for gaming in conjunction with a visual workout assistant, however, does.

So is bluray "innovative", NO. Just because its better doesnt make it innovative

The example i gave last time( the snowboard thing) take care or the gaming part and visual workout yea thats been done by the eyetoy.

http://www.hammacher.com/publish/64446.asp?promo=xsells

There it is in all its glory THE SNOWBOARD THING

Videos showcasing Gary's Mod - user created content that *gasp* precedes LBP:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=YQ5n9ZrYuHs

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Egsbm9SzVck

http://youtube.com/watch?v=foBmBF5Hxnc

http://youtube.com/watch?v=QZj-04YgSz4

[QUOTE="Smoke_ManMuscle"][QUOTE="ofx360"]

What is your definition of innovative. Just because u slap FIT on it doesnt make it "innovative"

ofx360

Slapping "fit' on the title doesn't make it innovative.

Using a balance board that's more advanced than any other used for gaming in conjunction with a visual workout assistant, however, does.

So is bluray "innovative", NO. Just because its better doesnt make it innovative

The example i gave last time( the snowboard thing) take care or the gaming part and visual workout yea thats been done by the eyetoy.

But neither has been done together...that's the point.

Videos showcasing Gary's Mod - user created content that *gasp* precedes LBP:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=YQ5n9ZrYuHs

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Egsbm9SzVck

http://youtube.com/watch?v=foBmBF5Hxnc

http://youtube.com/watch?v=QZj-04YgSz4

Smoke_ManMuscle

User created content is not new. The ease and immediacy promised by LBP is. LBP is encouraging players to be co-creators of the game. Theey make the creative process part of the game. They make it fun and accessible. They give players immediate feedback on thier creations and allow them to share those creations easily with others.

Or at least, that is what it looks like. I've been disappointed before, but as of now, LBP looks more innovative, because of the near limitedless innovation it will encourage from players.

[QUOTE="ofx360"][QUOTE="Smoke_ManMuscle"][QUOTE="ofx360"]

What is your definition of innovative. Just because u slap FIT on it doesnt make it "innovative"

Smoke_ManMuscle

Slapping "fit' on the title doesn't make it innovative.

Using a balance board that's more advanced than any other used for gaming in conjunction with a visual workout assistant, however, does.

So is bluray "innovative", NO. Just because its better doesnt make it innovative

The example i gave last time( the snowboard thing) take care or the gaming part and visual workout yea thats been done by the eyetoy.

But neither has been done together...that's the point.

So your basicly you're saying since they put the snowboard game and the fitness game in eyetoy together its innovative.

[QUOTE="Smoke_ManMuscle"][QUOTE="ofx360"][QUOTE="Smoke_ManMuscle"][QUOTE="ofx360"]

What is your definition of innovative. Just because u slap FIT on it doesnt make it "innovative"

ofx360

Slapping "fit' on the title doesn't make it innovative.

Using a balance board that's more advanced than any other used for gaming in conjunction with a visual workout assistant, however, does.

So is bluray "innovative", NO. Just because its better doesnt make it innovative

The example i gave last time( the snowboard thing) take care or the gaming part and visual workout yea thats been done by the eyetoy.

But neither has been done together...that's the point.

So your basicly you're saying since they put the snowboard game and the fitness game in eyetoy together its innovative.

That's pretty much the textbook definition of innovative, dude.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/innovation

[QUOTE="Smoke_ManMuscle"]

Videos showcasing Gary's Mod - user created content that *gasp* precedes LBP:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=YQ5n9ZrYuHs

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Egsbm9SzVck

http://youtube.com/watch?v=foBmBF5Hxnc

http://youtube.com/watch?v=QZj-04YgSz4

sfenty

User created content is not new. The ease and immediacy promised by LBP is. LBP is encouraging players to be co-creators of the game. Theey make the creative process part of the game. They make it fun and accessible. They give players immediate feedback on thier creations and allow them to share those creations easily with others.

Or at least, that is what it looks like. I've been disappointed before, but as of now, LBP looks more innovative, because of the near limitedless innovation it will encourage from players.

Yeah, I know the simplification is innovative, I just don't think it's as innovative as what Wii Fit is trying to accomplish.

[QUOTE="Smoke_ManMuscle"][QUOTE="ofx360"][QUOTE="Smoke_ManMuscle"][QUOTE="ofx360"]

What is your definition of innovative. Just because u slap FIT on it doesnt make it "innovative"

ofx360

Slapping "fit' on the title doesn't make it innovative.

Using a balance board that's more advanced than any other used for gaming in conjunction with a visual workout assistant, however, does.

So is bluray "innovative", NO. Just because its better doesnt make it innovative

The example i gave last time( the snowboard thing) take care or the gaming part and visual workout yea thats been done by the eyetoy.

But neither has been done together...that's the point.

So your basicly you're saying since they put the snowboard game and the fitness game in eyetoy together its innovative.

So i guess i can turn around and say since they havent done a 3d sidescrollers before + the Building stuff ( i.e. that mod thing that u posted) its "innovative"

That term is getting looser that a hoes va-jay-jay

[QUOTE="ofx360"][QUOTE="Smoke_ManMuscle"][QUOTE="ofx360"][QUOTE="Smoke_ManMuscle"][QUOTE="ofx360"]

What is your definition of innovative. Just because u slap FIT on it doesnt make it "innovative"

Smoke_ManMuscle

Slapping "fit' on the title doesn't make it innovative.

Using a balance board that's more advanced than any other used for gaming in conjunction with a visual workout assistant, however, does.

So is bluray "innovative", NO. Just because its better doesnt make it innovative

The example i gave last time( the snowboard thing) take care or the gaming part and visual workout yea thats been done by the eyetoy.

But neither has been done together...that's the point.

So your basicly you're saying since they put the snowboard game and the fitness game in eyetoy together its innovative.

That's pretty much the textbook definition of innovative, dude.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/innovation

WOW i had a totally different take of what it meant to be innovative. I Always thought you had to do something brand new. Well that ends that, all this means is that all games are innovative everything that sony does is innovative(lol do you get it). Well this was a good argument i had fun.

Now which is MORE innovative, i think LBP just because its taking Community, customization, multiplayer, sandbox gameplay, and sharing all in too one game. What Wii Fit is doing is taking a sensor board, a fitness instructor, and a few minigames (40 fitness and minigames total) and putting it all in to one game. I just think the scope on LBP is SO much bigger.

So IMO i think Little Big Planet is MORE innovative

[QUOTE="sfenty"][QUOTE="Smoke_ManMuscle"]

Videos showcasing Gary's Mod - user created content that *gasp* precedes LBP:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=YQ5n9ZrYuHs

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Egsbm9SzVck

http://youtube.com/watch?v=foBmBF5Hxnc

http://youtube.com/watch?v=QZj-04YgSz4

Smoke_ManMuscle

User created content is not new. The ease and immediacy promised by LBP is. LBP is encouraging players to be co-creators of the game. Theey make the creative process part of the game. They make it fun and accessible. They give players immediate feedback on thier creations and allow them to share those creations easily with others.

Or at least, that is what it looks like. I've been disappointed before, but as of now, LBP looks more innovative, because of the near limitedless innovation it will encourage from players.

Yeah, I know the simplification is innovative, I just don't think it's as innovative as what Wii Fit is trying to accomplish.

I've siffed through 7 pages(20 posts per page) to hear how LBP is more inovative than WiiFit...

Seriously, is this a joke?

[QUOTE="kittykatz5k"]

I'm going to bed soon. Want me to make that in garry's mod, about 10 minutes of work, when I wake up?

NobuoMusicMaker

Go ahead, and oh... you can use imported stuff. Just blocks, sticks and wheels.

MAH BOI! You best be ready for some garry's mod ownin'!

I did not use custom props others made, only what comes with the game, and so I used blocks, wheels, sticks, and a small orb for the head. I didn't need the head but I felt it was kool XD

Now, I can't get videos from in game, that's beyond my knowlege of half life 2, but I did turn on motion blur so you can clearly see it's moving:

Tada! I also took the time to make the head extendable, seeing as I had 3 minutes to spare of the 10 minutes I said I would take:

[QUOTE="ofx360"][QUOTE="Smoke_ManMuscle"][QUOTE="ofx360"][QUOTE="Smoke_ManMuscle"][QUOTE="ofx360"]

What is your definition of innovative. Just because u slap FIT on it doesnt make it "innovative"

ofx360

Slapping "fit' on the title doesn't make it innovative.

Using a balance board that's more advanced than any other used for gaming in conjunction with a visual workout assistant, however, does.

So is bluray "innovative", NO. Just because its better doesnt make it innovative

The example i gave last time( the snowboard thing) take care or the gaming part and visual workout yea thats been done by the eyetoy.

But neither has been done together...that's the point.

So your basicly you're saying since they put the snowboard game and the fitness game in eyetoy together its innovative.

So i guess i can turn around and say since they havent done a 3d sidescrollers before + the Building stuff ( i.e. that mod thing that u posted) its "innovative"

That term is getting looser that a hoes va-jay-jay

Oh LBP is innovative, just not as innovative as Wii Fit. I mean, there's really nothing you can do in LBP that couldn't be done in Gary's Mod.

LBP is one of the very VERY few games that interest me on the PS3. Eponique

I agree. LBP looks awesome...

WiiFit does not interest me in the least. The only good thing thatmight come of the device is a drop in the number of fat***es over here in the states... and that's fat***es as 1 word. Fat ***es (2 words) are quite nice on the right woman provided she has a small waist to go along with it. But I digress...

which is more innovative? wiifit.

which will allow more creativity? LBP.

it really depends on what you define as innovative. as a pc gamer level creation is not really all that new.

Neither are particularly innovative.Shad0ki11

Agreed, Wii fit is just finding new uses for na old accessory, and LBP is just making a sandbox tool in an age where sand box tools have been done many times.

as a game LBP wins as being more innovative, but if you're looking at how you play the game wii fit wins...imo at leastItalStallion777

What the hell is that? It doesn't even look nice.

I already knew you can't make new shapes from old structures. Making new shapes would require much more work using Source Engine creation tools. That's just hideous. I suggest you look at the stage demo and see the visual difference. Actually I'll do it for you.

Art Devs would just look at your rubbish with a puzzled look. Even I could make that in a few minutes with some pencils, cardboard construction paper and some rubber bands.

This isn't about how pretty it is, that was NEVER our agreement. If you trace back, the original argument was about contruction tools and possibuility of a mech in LBP. Why, as pointed out early,do you keep changing the conditions of our agreements?

If you give me 2 hours, I can make it look pretty, but our agreement was functionality,adn I made something that's more functional.

This isn't about how pretty it is, that was NEVER our agreement. If you trace back, the original argument was about contruction tools and possibuility of a mech in LBP. Why, as pointed out early,do you keep changing the conditions of our agreements?

If you give me 2 hours, I can make it look pretty, but our agreement was functionality,adn I made something that's more functional.

kittykatz5k

It's funny isn't it? First it's about creating custom content.
Then it's about creating custom content *easily*
Now it's about creating *pretty* custom content *easily*

This isn't about how pretty it is, that was NEVER our agreement. If you trace back, the original argument was about contruction tools and possibuility of a mech in LBP. Why, as pointed out early,do you keep changing the conditions of our agreements?

If you give me 2 hours, I can make it look pretty, but our agreement was functionality,adn I made something that's more functional.

kittykatz5k

Don't bother. He's got it into his head that he's right...kinda like President Bush. Can't see the forest for the trees.

How is Wii Fit innovative when there already was a game like that for eye toy. Pluss the way it kinda plays is sort of like DDR Lite. LBP all the way.Izzy12345

Wii Fit is far more advanced than the Eye Toy for fitness games. Anyone whose done an honest workout knows that form is just as important as the number of reps or the amount of weight. A balance board can measure all that, but the eye toy likely can't.