Who Killed Rare?

WE KILLED RARE!!! (with a little help from RARE themselves). Honestly.. How many of you bought PDZ, Kameo, Viva Pinata? Exactly! When a team is not producing "Hits" the company re-structures them to concentrate on other projects/avenues.. Ie Kinect Sports.. Which if I'm not mistaken has outsold every other Rare title released this gen. :|

That was a great article and it reinforces my stance that Rare has suffered simply due to being unable to fully evolve and change properly with the market. Of course, System Wars is still filled with touched in the head morons that won't read the full articles or people that think MS somehow was fully responsible for "killing Rare."

Whatever the studio does, I doubt it will be anything like the Rare of old. It's simply not a viable option to survive in this market, but I do hope they find some continued success in the event that they do for whatever reason choose to release a game that's catered to my tastes.

themselves when they put out not so great games for the og xbox and the 360

they had what 4 or 5 games? 1 of them should of been great if they were still as good as we all hoped

they should of made a new conker game by now

Twas me, and i would've gotten away with it too, if it weren't for you meddling kids !

Rare killed themselves by betraying Nintendo and choosing to side with the bad guys (MS in this scenerio). MS later cut off all funding from Rare and now they are just a joke and shadow of their former self. See that's what happens when you cross Nintendo b!tches!

They should have gone with Sony instead of MS, they would have gotten treated better, why the chose MS is beyond me. But hey if they want to commit suicide that's fine.And lol @ Rare doing fine this gen, they haven't made any good games this gen period.

Perfect Dark Zero sucked ass big time, Banjo Nut's and Bolts isn't anywhere as good as the origional, and Conker is just a juevinle piece of toilet humor that appeals to the lowest form of people in society.

Only good games Rare made are from the past, and it's painfully obvoius Nintendo doesn't need them, what Rare needs is Nintendo. They only have themselves to blame for choosing to go with the wrong company.

Rare killed themselves by betraying Nintendo and choosing to side with the bad guys (MS in this scenerio). MS later cut off all funding from Rare and now they are just a joke and shadow of their former self. See that's what happens when you cross Nintendo b!tches!

They should have gone with Sony instead of MS, they would have gotten treated better, why the chose MS is beyond me. But hey if they want to commit suicide that's fine.And lol @ Rare doing fine this gen, they haven't made any good games this gen period.

Perfect Dark Zero sucked ass big time, Banjo Nut's and Bolts isn't anywhere as good as the origional, and Conker is just a juevinle piece of toilet humor that appeals to the lowest form of people in society.

Only good games Rare made are from the past, and it's painfully obvoius Nintendo doesn't need them, what Rare needs is Nintendo. They only have themselves to blame for choosing to go with the wrong company.

ShadowMoses900

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Rare killed themselves by betraying Nintendo and choosing to side with the bad guys (MS in this scenerio). MS later cut off all funding from Rare and now they are just a joke and shadow of their former self. See that's what happens when you cross Nintendo b!tches!

They should have gone with Sony instead of MS, they would have gotten treated better, why the chose MS is beyond me. But hey if they want to commit suicide that's fine.And lol @ Rare doing fine this gen, they haven't made any good games this gen period.

Perfect Dark Zero sucked ass big time, Banjo Nut's and Bolts isn't anywhere as good as the origional, and Conker is just a juevinle piece of toilet humor that appeals to the lowest form of people in society.

Only good games Rare made are from the past, and it's painfully obvoius Nintendo doesn't need them, what Rare needs is Nintendo. They only have themselves to blame for choosing to go with the wrong company.

nintendoboy16

Rare killed themselves by betraying Nintendo and choosing to side with the bad guys (MS in this scenerio). MS later cut off all funding from Rare and now they are just a joke and shadow of their former self. See that's what happens when you cross Nintendo b!tches!

They should have gone with Sony instead of MS, they would have gotten treated better, why the chose MS is beyond me. But hey if they want to commit suicide that's fine.And lol @ Rare doing fine this gen, they haven't made any good games this gen period.

Perfect Dark Zero sucked ass big time, Banjo Nut's and Bolts isn't anywhere as good as the origional, and Conker is just a juevinle piece of toilet humor that appeals to the lowest form of people in society.

Only good games Rare made are from the past, and it's painfully obvoius Nintendo doesn't need them, what Rare needs is Nintendo. They only have themselves to blame for choosing to go with the wrong company.

ShadowMoses900

Has anyone ever told you you're an idiot?

If they haven't, than I have some unsettling news for you.... you're an idiot.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Rare killed themselves by betraying Nintendo and choosing to side with the bad guys (MS in this scenerio). MS later cut off all funding from Rare and now they are just a joke and shadow of their former self. See that's what happens when you cross Nintendo b!tches!

They should have gone with Sony instead of MS, they would have gotten treated better, why the chose MS is beyond me. But hey if they want to commit suicide that's fine.And lol @ Rare doing fine this gen, they haven't made any good games this gen period.

Perfect Dark Zero sucked ass big time, Banjo Nut's and Bolts isn't anywhere as good as the origional, and Conker is just a juevinle piece of toilet humor that appeals to the lowest form of people in society.

Only good games Rare made are from the past, and it's painfully obvoius Nintendo doesn't need them, what Rare needs is Nintendo. They only have themselves to blame for choosing to go with the wrong company.

NeonNinja

Has anyone ever told you you're an idiot?

If they haven't, than I have some unsettling news for you.... you're an idiot.

That hurt my feelings, gonna cry now because Mr. Internet Tough Guy called me a bad name.

Your just upset that Rare is a joke, and MS is the reason why. Get over it.

Rare killed themselves and Nintendo saw the quality going down. Both Conker's bad fur day and starfox adventures lacked longevity. Neither had side quests or collectibles. Where are all the jiggies? Where are all the little bananas? No where to be seen. They were both much shorter than the previous games and both had a straight line to the end. The major staff had left Rare after perfect dark. People really can't see bad fur day was terrible quality compared to Rare's other games because they are blinded by the toilet humour.

Sentinator

Rare killed themselves? That's utter BULL****.

Nintendo did not wake up one day and say "Let's sell RARE". Nintendo had a 49% stake in RARE and Microsoft decided to buy the remaining 51% and Nintendo let go of their share for financial reasons. Money talks and Microsoft had ALOT of it. Microsoft paid $375 million for the company after that. Clearly Nintendo couldn't do anything about it because they did not have the majority of the shares.

Many people here think that Nintendo just decided to sell RARE. Fanboys will come up with crap "Well Nintendo sold them because they were getting worse and making terrible games".

In current situations, I do believe Microsoft is the reason for RARE's demise. When 360 was released, RARE made great games like Perfect Dark Zero, Kameo, Viva Pinata, and before that Conker's Live and Reloaded.

If anyone honestly believes Microsoft didn't screw them up your lying to yourself. Have you not seen the rumored and cancelled games they were going to make? Kameo 2? Killer Instinct 360? Not to mention the fact Microsoft screwed up the new direction that Banjo: Nuts & Bolts took. Has anyone not read about how Microsoft has cancelled these many games to focus on Kinect and other crap?

Please do some research fanboys.

Please do some research fanboys.

Blazerdt47

There's an article in the OP, you could have at least read that, cow.

[QUOTE="Grawse"]

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tjricardo089

Make that two of us.

[QUOTE="Blazerdt47"]

Please do some research fanboys.

waltefmoney

There's an article in the OP, you could have at least read, cow.

Cow? We're pointing fingers now? I am no where near a cow, before you decide to call people cows/lemming/whatever bring in an argument to base your name calling on.

I am simply adding on to the discussion, your post however is not.

Cow? We're pointing fingers now? I am no where near a cow, before you decide to call people cows/lemming/whatever bring in an argument to base your name calling on.

I am simply adding on to the discussion, your post however is not.

Blazerdt47

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out, just a look at your posting history.

MS did. Kameo, Viva Pinata and Banjo were good games. Since MS went casual they've been forced to make shovelware sports games and pointless crap like avatars. Man I hate the new MS.BigBoss255

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[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Rare killed themselves by betraying Nintendo and choosing to side with the bad guys (MS in this scenerio). MS later cut off all funding from Rare and now they are just a joke and shadow of their former self. See that's what happens when you cross Nintendo b!tches!

They should have gone with Sony instead of MS, they would have gotten treated better, why the chose MS is beyond me. But hey if they want to commit suicide that's fine.And lol @ Rare doing fine this gen, they haven't made any good games this gen period.

Perfect Dark Zero sucked ass big time, Banjo Nut's and Bolts isn't anywhere as good as the origional, and Conker is just a juevinle piece of toilet humor that appeals to the lowest form of people in society.

Only good games Rare made are from the past, and it's painfully obvoius Nintendo doesn't need them, what Rare needs is Nintendo. They only have themselves to blame for choosing to go with the wrong company.

ShadowMoses900

Has anyone ever told you you're an idiot?

If they haven't, than I have some unsettling news for you.... you're an idiot.

That hurt my feelings, gonna cry now because Mr. Internet Tough Guy called me a bad name.

Your just upset that Rare is a joke, and MS is the reason why. Get over it.

Oh, I was wrong. You're a dumbass, particularly if you think I care for Rare.

EDIT- And please don't say I care for MS. Because if you think I do, than there are no words in the English language to describe how stupid you are. I hate MS, and I don't care for Rare. Your statements however still make you an idiot. That or a cow. But 'cow' is internet slang for 'idiot' anyway.

Rare killed Rare.

waltefmoney

[QUOTE="Blazerdt47"]

Cow? We're pointing fingers now? I am no where near a cow, before you decide to call people cows/lemming/whatever bring in an argument to base your name calling on.

I am simply adding on to the discussion, your post however is not.

waltefmoney

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out, just a look at your posting history.

My posts? I would like some examples please, I have never posted any dislike for any console. Only dislike for certain games on ALL consoles. It's called an opinion. Don't claim me something to be if I am not.

My posts? I would like some examples please, I have never posted any dislike for any console. Only dislike for certain games on ALL consoles. It's called an opinion. Don't claim me something to be if I am not.

Blazerdt47

Well, for example you're posting in bold. We all know the golden rule:

Post in bold if you got that Sony swagGolden Rule

Microsoft: True Cancer of the Gaming Industry since 2001.dracolich55

[QUOTE="dracolich55"]Microsoft: True Cancer of the Gaming Industry since 2001.kuraimen

Personally I think Rare could find a good home making xbla games, say a new battletoads or ironsword game.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="dracolich55"]Microsoft: True Cancer of the Gaming Industry since 2001.Strutten

Microsoft: True Cancer of the Gaming Industry since 2001.dracolich55

[QUOTE="dracolich55"]Microsoft: True Cancer of the Gaming Industry since 2001.DrTrafalgarLaw

Exactly, when will people realize this? Microd*ck simply destroyed studios like Digital Anvil that were developing brilliant games like Freelancer 2. If you are a true gamer, you will boycott microsoft's console for the sake of gaming.DrTrafalgarLaw

They're also destroying Sony, even more reason to hate them.

microsoft killed my family

[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"]Exactly, when will people realize this? Microd*ck simply destroyed studios like Digital Anvil that were developing brilliant games like Freelancer 2. If you are a true gamer, you will boycott microsoft's console for the sake of gaming.waltefmoney

They're also destroying Sony, even more reason to hate them.

Rare started being crap around the GC era. I actually don't remember any games they made in that era, they were forgettable as a company. Now they're just making annoying things that are horribly mediocre at the same time. I don't know how they fell that hard from grace.....they made some of the best games of all time IMO (Banjo Tooie and DK64 come to mind....).Lethalhazard

Simple: all of the talented members of the development team left the studio to pursue other ventures.

Even the creators of Rare (and the executive producers for all the classic Rare games from the SNES / N64 era), decided to leave the company.

Who would stay at a company when all your friends and colleagues were abandoning the sinking ship?

In regards to sales, yes. In regard to actual games? Hell no :lol:DrTrafalgarLaw

THEY'RE KILLING SONY BRO, EVIL MICROSOFT!

Rare is still alive and doing well. Their Kinect Sports was in the Top 20 Sales Chart last year. My son and I still enjoy playing Kameo even to these days. It was /is definitely one of the most enjoyable launched games in my gaming life. Hope they will have a sequence for the next Xbox.

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My posts? I would like some examples please, I have never posted any dislike for any console. Only dislike for certain games on ALL consoles. It's called an opinion. Don't claim me something to be if I am not.

waltefmoney

Well, for example you're posting in bold. We all know the golden rule:

Post in bold if you got that Sony swagGolden Rule

[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"]In regards to sales, yes. In regard to actual games? Hell no :lol:waltefmoney

THEY'RE KILLING SONY BRO, EVIL MICROSOFT!

[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"]In regards to sales, yes. In regard to actual games? Hell no :lol:dracolich55

THEY'RE KILLING SONY BRO, EVIL MICROSOFT!

Rare used to be one of my fav devlopers, the hours of entertainment banjo kazooie/ conker brought me as a kid. Soon as it was announced Microsoft was to take over I knew it was all over...R.I>P Rare I wish you would go back to your old ways but I know its too late, good read too.

To summarize this thread:

Cows and Hermits said Microsoft killed Rare

Lemmings and Sheep (and myself) said that they killed themselves

Who wins?

Microsoft, because their best games were on Nintendo systems.

To summarize this thread:

Cows and Hermits said Microsoft killed Rare

Lemmings and Sheep (and myself) said that they killed themselves

Who wins?

sonic1564

All I know their downfall started after MS bought them.

[QUOTE="GameShtopper"]Examples of casual (aka "crap")delta3074

Microsoft....in the office...with a revolver! :D

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To summarize this thread:

Cows and Hermits said Microsoft killed Rare

Lemmings and Sheep (and myself) said that they killed themselves

Who wins?

dracolich55

Yep and I changed my sig and user picture.

I am sorry, but Rare has fallen from what they used to be. Are they still good? Sure. It all depends who you are asking. I loved the graphics of Nuts and Bolts and well...a lot of that game. But the gameplay was just not that good at all. Its unfortunate because it had such a strong foundation from the visuals to the concept. I wouldn't mind giving it another shot sometime if I ever get the chance though. With that said, the only way that will happen is if the 720 impresses me and it is BC with 360 games :P.

I also think PDZ got a bad rap. I mean it certainly is no PD64, but I think its a very solid game that gives you enough of that PD feel to enjoy it.

I think they are still good, but they have the problem of making games that have great presentation and concepts, yet fail to match the quality of their past games and even other devs games currently. It just feels like a watered down version of what could have been.

Rare isnt dead, isnt as good as it used to be... but that apllies to every developer this gen