Who Killed Rare?

Rare started being crap around the GC era. I actually don't remember any games they made in that era, they were forgettable as a company. Now they're just making annoying things that are horribly mediocre at the same time. I don't know how they fell that hard from grace.....they made some of the best games of all time IMO (Banjo Tooie and DK64 come to mind....).Lethalhazard

Starfox without a plane.. color me sold.. :|

And lets not forget the canceled Kameo! Look'd like a winner to me. :|

Atleast they made a bunch of quality games this gen, until they turned to Kinect.

Hey they have a better resume than Naughty Dog this gen :lol:

[QUOTE="dracolich55"]Microsoft: True Cancer of the Gaming Industry since 2001.DrTrafalgarLaw

[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"][QUOTE="dracolich55"]Microsoft: True Cancer of the Gaming Industry since 2001.kuraimen

And your a lem. All you seem to do is defend M$ to the grave.dracolich55

Like I've ever denied that I'm a LemG.

and if you really think about it the Stamper brothers sabotaged their own company and knew they were going to leave.

think about it the Stamper brothers sold their 51% of stock in Rare....they had the controling shares than Nintendo sold their 49% so therefor Microsoft solely and wholely owned rare they shortly left 4 or so years later. Why is it they did this? couldn't they have sold a smaller amount to microsoft? or gotten nintendo to sell their shares to microsoft? it seems odd that The stamper brothers sold the company away like that.

No as I said Rare killed rare.

Going by the article, rare by itself was an apprentice without a master.

Without nintendo's guiding hand, they didn't know what to do.

topgunmv

Pretty much, and I think Nintendo didn't agree with them a lot, because they seem to have given up on them after the N64 days.

People could say MS did it to them, but it would be a lie. They barely made a truly great Rare game since the N64 days and I think the reason they are doing what they are doing right now, is because that's all their worth now.

I am sorry, but Rare has fallen from what they used to be. Are they still good? Sure. It all depends who you are asking. I loved the graphics of Nuts and Bolts and well...a lot of that game. But the gameplay was just not that good at all. Its unfortunate because it had such a strong foundation from the visuals to the concept. I wouldn't mind giving it another shot sometime if I ever get the chance though. With that said, the only way that will happen is if the 720 impresses me and it is BC with 360 games :P.

I also think PDZ got a bad rap. I mean it certainly is no PD64, but I think its a very solid game that gives you enough of that PD feel to enjoy it.

I think they are still good, but they have the problem of making games that have great presentation and concepts, yet fail to match the quality of their past games and even other devs games currently. It just feels like a watered down version of what could have been.

NaveedLife

It's a fvcking shame Microsoft is making them developer those Kinect games.

I wanted a Kameo sequel.

freedomfreak

Scumbag Microsoft ?

>Buy extremely talented developer
>Make them develop kinect shovelware

The Stamper Brothers killed rare.

(I still love Nuts and Bolts, though)

Nintendo: for being stupid and selling them. Microsoft: for being stupid and wasting the talent of the company. (I liked Viva Pinata though).Fire_Emblem_RD

Actually, their CEOs and majority stockholders at the time, the Stamper Brothers, sold their 51% to Microsoft when Nintendo refused to buy them out. Nintendo only held 49% of the companies stock, which they sold to Microsoft to avoid conflicting interests.

Nintendo, Rare itself and Rare's fans killed Rare, but MS delivered the finishing blow.Tykain

No, MS didn't deliver the finishing blow.

The finishing blow to the company was when the founders of the company sold their shares to MS.

Once that leadership was gone we ended up with post-2008 Rare.

It really had nothing to do with MS personally.

Losing a CEO, or founders, can take a real toll on a company.

I applaud many of you on some nice quality posting, well done, I enjoyed reading through this thread. !! :) Not that I agree with all of you. :P

Anyhoo, It's been a while since I posted this and it does need a bit of updating but never the less, I think the time is right...

PS, STIKA, you still around here under a different name ?

STIKA'S LIST OF RARE DOES NOT SUCK

Scores from ALLRARE games from the SNES to the xbox 360 (using game rankings)

16- bit era:

Battle toads (SNES) : 78%

Battle toads (gen) : 72%

Battletoads and double dragon: (snes) : 59%

Battletoads and double dragon (gen): 65%

Battle toads (GB) : 77.7%

Battle toads and double dragon (GB): 65%

Battletoads in ragnarock's world (GB) : 75%

Donkey kong land (GB) : 71%

Donkey Kong land 2 (gb) : 79%

Donkey kong land 3 ( 82%)

Killer instinct (GB) :25%

Killer instinct (SNES): (80%)

The amazing spider-man (73%)

Beetlejuice (GB): 55%

Fortress of fear (GB): 20%

Sneaky snakes (GB) 53%

Championship-pro-am (Gen): 80%

Donkey kong country (SNES): 92%

Donkey kong country 2 (SNES): 92%

Donkey kong countru 3 (snes): 85%

Average score: 69%

N64 era:

Perfect Dark (N 64): 95%

Perfect Dark (GBC): 66%

Donkey kong country (GBC): 90%

Conker's pocket tales (GBC): 55%

mickey's speedway USA (GBC): 81%

Mickey's speedway USA (N64): 68%

Donkey Kong 64 (N64): 88%

Banjo-Kazooeie (N64): 92%

Banjo-Tooie (N64): 90%

Blast corps (N64): 89%

Conker's bad fur day (N64): 89%

Diddy Kong Racing (N64): 89%

Golden eye 007 (N64): 95%

Jet Force Gemini (N54): 80%

Killer Instinct Gold (N64): 74%

Total average score: 82.7%

Gamecube-Xbox era:

Starfox Adventures (GC) : 80%

Banjo Pilot (GBA): 66%

Banjo Kazooeie: Grunty's revenge (GBA): 73%

SabreWulf (GBA): 74%

Donkey Kong Contry (GBA): 78%

It''s Mr. Pants (GBA): 76%

Donkey Kong country 2 (GBA): 81%

Donkey Kong Country 3 (GBA): 75.1%

Conker: Live and Reloaded (xbox): 79%

Grabbed by the Ghoulies (xbox) 70%

total Score: 75.2

Current Gen

Perfect Dark Zero (xbox 360): 81%

Viva Pinata (X360): 85%

viva Pinata 2 (X360): 83%

Viva pinata (PC): 79%

Viva Pinata (DS): 83%

Jet Pac: Refueled: (X360): 73%

Kameo (X360): 81%

Banjo 3: 78%

Average Score: 80.4%

Final Score:

1º N64 RARE: 82.7%

2º Current RARE: 80.4%

3º Last gen RARE: 75.2%

4º 16-Bit RARE: 69%

[QUOTE="Sentinator"]

Rare killed themselves and Nintendo saw the quality going down. Both Conker's bad fur day and starfox adventures lacked longevity. Neither had side quests or collectibles. Where are all the jiggies? Where are all the little bananas? No where to be seen. They were both much shorter than the previous games and both had a straight line to the end. The major staff had left Rare after perfect dark. People really can't see bad fur day was terrible quality compared to Rare's other games because they are blinded by the toilet humour.

Blazerdt47

Rare killed themselves? That's utter BULL****.

Nintendo did not wake up one day and say "Let's sell RARE". Nintendo had a 49% stake in RARE and Microsoft decided to buy the remaining 51% and Nintendo let go of their share for financial reasons. Money talks and Microsoft had ALOT of it. Microsoft paid $375 million for the company after that. Clearly Nintendo couldn't do anything about it because they did not have the majority of the shares.

Many people here think that Nintendo just decided to sell RARE. Fanboys will come up with crap "Well Nintendo sold them because they were getting worse and making terrible games".

In current situations, I do believe Microsoft is the reason for RARE's demise. When 360 was released, RARE made great games like Perfect Dark Zero, Kameo, Viva Pinata, and before that Conker's Live and Reloaded.

If anyone honestly believes Microsoft didn't screw them up your lying to yourself. Have you not seen the rumored and cancelled games they were going to make? Kameo 2? Killer Instinct 360? Not to mention the fact Microsoft screwed up the new direction that Banjo: Nuts & Bolts took. Has anyone not read about how Microsoft has cancelled these many games to focus on Kinect and other crap?

Please do some research fanboys.

They did kill themselves. Honestly take a look at Rare's track record and its clear they didn't cut it towards the end of the N64. Their games were taking far too long to make and the quality was plummeting. Conkers Bad Fur Day (contrary to what the cult fanbase believes) is one of their worst N64 games. Its too short and the controls were pretty bad. People just ignore it because "lol singing poo how original!"

Yes you can argue Microsoft played a part but thats only because Nintendo were helping Rare make their games as well. The talent that made the earlier games had left the studio. MS was just the nail in the coffin.

Also, for the people saying it: turning Dinosaur Planet into Starfox was Miyamoto's idea. He admitted it in a Nintendo magazine during the Gamecube era. He also said he was only involved in each of their games for a maximum of 10% of the development time. But seriously, Starfox Adventures and Conker are truly not the quality you would expect from Rare. Nintendo saw that which is precisely why they sold them. Microsoft are just having Rare make this casual stuff due to a combination of direction change and really not knowing what to do with them because in truth they expected more from them.

I wouldn't say they're dead just because they started making games that appeal to me less. That started when they made Star Fox Adventures though.

[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

I am sorry, but Rare has fallen from what they used to be. Are they still good? Sure. It all depends who you are asking. I loved the graphics of Nuts and Bolts and well...a lot of that game. But the gameplay was just not that good at all. Its unfortunate because it had such a strong foundation from the visuals to the concept. I wouldn't mind giving it another shot sometime if I ever get the chance though. With that said, the only way that will happen is if the 720 impresses me and it is BC with 360 games :P.

I also think PDZ got a bad rap. I mean it certainly is no PD64, but I think its a very solid game that gives you enough of that PD feel to enjoy it.

I think they are still good, but they have the problem of making games that have great presentation and concepts, yet fail to match the quality of their past games and even other devs games currently. It just feels like a watered down version of what could have been.

mitu123

Definitely, though it still can't touch the true sequel to Goldeneye and PD64, Timesplitters 2. I never played 1 and 3 was not quite as good in my opinion, though it had its advancements.

Not sure why many said they were not going to read...It was very detailed HarlockJC

[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"][QUOTE="dracolich55"]Microsoft: True Cancer of the Gaming Industry since 2001.kuraimen

One Word: Psygnosis

[QUOTE="HarlockJC"]Not sure why many said they were not going to read...It was very detailed OhSnapitz

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"] Exactly, when will people realize this? Microd*ck simply destroyed studios like Digital Anvil that were developing brilliant games like Freelancer 2. If you are a true gamer, you will boycott microsoft's console for the sake of gaming.rilpas

One Word: Psygnosis

[QUOTE="HarlockJC"]Not sure why many said they were not going to read...It was very detailed OhSnapitz

:twisted:

Medium killed rare 'Well Done' destroyed the body.

Medium killed rare 'Well Done' destroyed the body.

tenaka2

I'll take mah steak medium Rare and make it lean....

to the right. :twisted:

If you were a fan of Rare, then you'd know who drew this- Nintendonly

Jolly Jack ?

Anyway, Kameo, Banjo N&B and VP's seem to disagree with much of that since they're some of the most creative, funnest, unique games on the planet.

[QUOTE="Nintendonly"]If you were a fan of Rare, then you'd know who drew this- SecretPolice

Jolly Jack ?

Anyway, Kameo, Banjo N&B and VP's seem to disagree with much of that since they're some of the most creative, funnest, unique games on the planet.

What's being crushed by Microsoft?Nintendonly

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

[QUOTE="Nintendonly"]If you were a fan of Rare, then you'd know who drew this- Nintendonly

Jolly Jack ?

Anyway, Kameo, Banjo N&B and VP's seem to disagree with much of that since they're some of the most creative, funnest, unique games on the planet.

We shall see I guess.

[QUOTE="Nintendonly"]What's being crushed by Microsoft?Heil68

[QUOTE="Nintendonly"][QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

Jolly Jack ?

Anyway, Kameo, Banjo N&B and VP's seem to disagree with much of that since they're some of the most creative, funnest, unique games on the planet.

SecretPolice

We shall see I guess.

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

[QUOTE="Nintendonly"] What's being crushed by Microsoft?Nintendonly

We shall see I guess.

No one killed Rare, most of the key people that developed old Rare games left a long time ago. I also didn't read the OP but I know most of Rare's story thanks to 'All Your History' on youtube.

No one killed Rare, most of the key people that developed old Rare games left a long time ago. I also didn't read the OP but I know most of Rare's story thanks to 'All Your History' on youtube.

Heartagram_03

Nope I'm not reading that. But I can correct you in saying that Rare, in comparison to two generations ago SUCKSALOT. They went from making some the best platformers of all time to making dinky rush plays and shovel ware. Blah. NAPK1NS

1º N64 RARE: 82.7%

2º Current RARE: 80.4%

3º Last gen RARE: 75.2%

4º 16-Bit RARE: 69%

Go back a page for Stika's list of Rare does not suck. :P

[QUOTE="Heartagram_03"]

No one killed Rare, most of the key people that developed old Rare games left a long time ago. I also didn't read the OP but I know most of Rare's story thanks to 'All Your History' on youtube.

Nintendonly

:P

False false false FALSE! The only team that left Rare while under Nintendo was the Goldeneye team! And that team was comprised of new employees! How the hell do people not know this? One person spouts bull**** on the internet and it steamrolls onto multiple message boards then deemed as fact... SMFH Most of the people who left Rare did it after Microsoft bought the company up.Nintendonly

Your other account was unbanned.

[QUOTE="NAPK1NS"]Nope I'm not reading that. But I can correct you in saying that Rare, in comparison to two generations ago SUCKSALOT. They went from making some the best platformers of all time to making dinky rush plays and shovel ware. Blah. SecretPolice

1º N64 RARE: 82.7%

2º Current RARE: 80.4%

3º Last gen RARE: 75.2%

4º 16-Bit RARE: 69%

Go back a page for Stika's list of Rare does not suck. :P

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

[QUOTE="NAPK1NS"]Nope I'm not reading that. But I can correct you in saying that Rare, in comparison to two generations ago SUCKSALOT. They went from making some the best platformers of all time to making dinky rush plays and shovel ware. Blah. NAPK1NS

1º N64 RARE: 82.7%

2º Current RARE: 80.4%

3º Last gen RARE: 75.2%

4º 16-Bit RARE: 69%

Go back a page for Stika's list of Rare does not suck. :P

j/k a bit, you can stay. tehe.

Banjo N&B is freakin awesome and scored 8.5 and many think it's AAA and that goes for Kameo & VP's as well so there, that's a nice summation for ya to chew on. :P

[QUOTE="NAPK1NS"]Nope I'm not reading that. But I can correct you in saying that Rare, in comparison to two generations ago SUCKSALOT. They went from making some the best platformers of all time to making dinky rush plays and shovel ware. Blah. SecretPolice

1º N64 RARE: 82.7%

2º Current RARE: 80.4%

3º Last gen RARE: 75.2%

4º 16-Bit RARE: 69%

Go back a page for Stika's list of Rare does not suck. :P

....how the heck can SNES rare get bad reviews? DKC1-3 are amazing games. 64 is their best platform though. And Star Fox adventures was pretty awesome on the cube.

Rare was a British studio belonging to the Nintendo (Japanese) school of game design, which was basically the polar opposite to the Microsoft (American) school of game design...

But now that Microsoft are following Nintendo's lead with the Kinect, it only makes sense they'd finally start making use of Rare to make Wii-like games.

[QUOTE="NAPK1NS"]Nope I'm not reading that. But I can correct you in saying that Rare, in comparison to two generations ago SUCKSALOT. They went from making some the best platformers of all time to making dinky rush plays and shovel ware. Blah. SecretPolice

1º N64 RARE: 82.7%

2º Current RARE: 80.4%

3º Last gen RARE: 75.2%

4º 16-Bit RARE: 69%

Go back a page for Stika's list of Rare does not suck. :P

If it's from GameRankings like you claim, then where's the link?

Rare was a British studio belonging to the Nintendo (Japanese) school of game design, which was basically the polar opposite to the Microsoft (American) school of game design...

But now that Microsoft are following Nintendo's lead with the Kinect, it only makes sense they'd finally start making use of Rare to make Wii-like games.

Jag85

Last I checked, Nintendo makes more than Wii/Mii games. Your logic makes no sense whatsoever.

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

[QUOTE="NAPK1NS"]Nope I'm not reading that. But I can correct you in saying that Rare, in comparison to two generations ago SUCKSALOT. They went from making some the best platformers of all time to making dinky rush plays and shovel ware. Blah. NAPK1NS

1º N64 RARE: 82.7%

2º Current RARE: 80.4%

3º Last gen RARE: 75.2%

4º 16-Bit RARE: 69%

Go back a page for Stika's list of Rare does not suck. :P

[QUOTE="NAPK1NS"][QUOTE="SecretPolice"]Based on gamerankings..

1º N64 RARE: 82.7%

2º Current RARE: 80.4%

3º Last gen RARE: 75.2%

4º 16-Bit RARE: 69%

Go back a page for Stika's list of Rare does not suck. :P

jg4xchamp

I think I got far enough into the game to judge it (used to own it when I had a 360), and the gameplay just seemed so boring, easy, and loose. I loved the concept, graphics, and so on. I mean I still wish I could play it so I could give it another shot, because I love its feel, but from what I remember, the actual level objectives were so messy.