Who needs NASCAR when Forza 3 has got V8?! *56k go byebye*

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#201 Rockman999
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[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

[QUOTE="aaronmullan"] But Uncharted isn't a simulator, so it can get away with a cartoony artstyle.

Uptown

FM3 doesn't look cartoony. Only cows state such, too. Quite hilarious, I must say.

and I bet you think the guy from guitar hero in your icon was on MTV last night

Uhhh that character is not from Guitar Hero...

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#202 Threebabycows
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[QUOTE="Racer850"][QUOTE="zero_snake99"] It is factually incorrect either way. I'm not doubting the vehicle models, but the game won't render with MSAA x8.. It's not possible. That's what I'm trying to say.

zero_snake99

It's still going to the best looking racing game on the 360, I will admit that GT5 has nailed the lighting but Forza has always been about the Physics, the graphics are just a big bonus.

Well, yeah. Of course. It's a great looking game. I was just saying that it won't match those screens. AA makes a HUGE difference. Aliasing causes the most drastic decline in image fidelity out of every type of graphics artifacting. That's why GT5p looked bad in game. The AA was just lacking.

Forza in game is 4X already, so will going to 8/16X going to make a big difference?

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#203 Tobin09
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Anyone else thinks it's awesome forza basically took every feauture out of halo 3's online, made it for racing, and added it to everything the already have, but improved?

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#204 TruedUp
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[QUOTE="Racer850"][QUOTE="TruedUp"]

Why would PD show an early build to debut the gameplay?Racer850
How the hell should I know? Lol, I was trying to look out for the GT nut-huggers, JEEZE! Thanks a lot.

Chill out mate i was only asking.

Haha, I was joking and being dramatic. Cmon now, its the internet!
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#205 Racer850
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[QUOTE="Racer850"][QUOTE="TruedUp"] How the hell should I know? Lol, I was trying to look out for the GT nut-huggers, JEEZE! Thanks a lot.

TruedUp

Chill out mate i was only asking.

Haha, I was joking and being dramatic. Cmon now, its the internet!

lol sometimes it's hard to tell.

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#206 Racer850
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Anyone else thinks it's awesome forza basically took every feauture out of halo 3's online, made it for racing, and added it to everything the already have, but improved?

Tobin09
Yep can't wait to try out the new MP.
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#207 _Peoples_Champ_
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[QUOTE="Jandurin"]Forza has a tomato based vegetable drink?siLVURcross
*taps head* On topic: Looks good I suppose. This'll be my first Forza game, so I hope it delivers.

That's the same thing I thought when Turn 10 released Forza 1, it blew me away.
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#208 CanYouDiglt
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Anyone else thinks it's awesome forza basically took every feauture out of halo 3's online, made it for racing, and added it to everything the already have, but improved?

Tobin09
of course it is a good thing. From online to single player there will be so much replay involved in this game. I can not wait to see the online with my own eyes. From what I have read so far it seems pretty massive but at the same time well laid out.
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#209 deactivated-5e836a855beb2
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ugh, multiplayer racing. No thanks.
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#210 Racer850
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[QUOTE="CanYouDiglt"][QUOTE="Tobin09"]

Anyone else thinks it's awesome forza basically took every feauture out of halo 3's online, made it for racing, and added it to everything the already have, but improved?

of course it is a good thing. From online to single player there will be so much replay involved in this game. I can not wait to see the online with my own eyes. From what I have read so far it seems pretty massive but at the same time well laid out.

Yeh i heard you can create game modes such as cat and mouse.
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#211 Shhadow_Viper
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Nascar is a millions times more of a selling point than V8. Not to say that V8 is bad, but Nascar has a following that is astronomical in number. It's like you just tried to call out the NFL because some new game has arena league football... :lol:

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#212 CanYouDiglt
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Nascar is a millions times more of a selling point than V8. Not to say that V8 is bad, but Nascar has a following that is astronomical in number. It's like you just tried to call out the NFL because some new game has arena league football... :lol:

Shhadow_Viper
Oh come back with that Nascar and GT5 stuff when you have any info on it at all. You have no idea of anything about this Nascar thing from what tracks, what drivers, or anything. YOu do not even have a screenshot. Forza just announced this yesterday and we already know far more.
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#213 Tobin09
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ugh, multiplayer racing. No thanks.Jandurin
Wow, theres something wrong with you. The A.I we have of now times is uncapable of providing the satisfaction of beating a human, let alone the skill level. Granted, FM3's A.I should be prettygood. I heard something about it being pressureable now, and all sorts of stuff. Online is where it's at for me.
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#214 deactivated-5e836a855beb2
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[QUOTE="Jandurin"]ugh, multiplayer racing. No thanks.Tobin09
Wow, theres something wrong with you. The A.I we have of now times is uncapable of providing the satisfaction of beating a human, let alone the skill level. Granted, FM3's A.I should be prettygood. I heard something about it being pressureable now, and all sorts of stuff. Online is where it's at for me.

all i care about is beating tracks, getting money, and making my car the best :P
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#215 masiisam
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[QUOTE="masiisam"]

I meant the adjustments themselves ….what the cars handles like.(post adjustment).. Not the limited amount of options you can adjust the car.

Meaning I put a value of positive toe into the set-up the car will have clear definitive trait and GT5P did not posses that at all..It took an unrealistic amount of an adjustment to get the desired outcome.

zero_snake99

I agree. It's not as extreme as you make it out to be, but I did have to go a little "over the top" with my settings. I was trying some drifting out, so I put a toe in on the rear, lowered the suspension, changed the bound/rebound, and it didn't change much, so I had to change the settings more for it to have an effect.

I was unaware I was being "extreme" ....I find if it takes +3 degrees of an adjustment that should only require .5 -.75 degrees…... then that's far from "over the top" and lands squarely on "unrealistic".

My suggestion on your adjustments are…..If you "put" toe-in on the rear (I am assuming you increased the value(more) with using the word put) you take that right back out as more toe-in on the rear will cause you to loose steering, increase straight line stability and give you more traction out of the corner..

In essence everything you don't want in a drifting set-up.

Softer Front sway, Harder rear spring..Zero camber and slight front toe-out are the beginning stages of a drift set-up…. Start with that and you will find an instant improvement

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#216 W1NGMAN-
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Here is the picture from the article, IGN pretty much have confirmed that this game will look as beautiful as we have been led to believe.

Heres the link

http://uk.xbox360.ign.com/articles/100/1008721p1.html

Racer850

My friend just recently hooked up his 300 Chrysler...I'll post pics later, it's pretty sweet looking.

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#217 Tobin09
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Nascar is a millions times more of a selling point than V8. Not to say that V8 is bad, but Nascar has a following that is astronomical in number. It's like you just tried to call out the NFL because some new game has arena league football... :lol:

Shhadow_Viper

NASCAR in forza, yes, The COT is in too, just the nationwide(old cup car maybe?)car is the only one we have a pic of.

Turn 10 has the cars, just not the liscence to scream WE HAVE NASCAR!!!!

Someone tell me if the pic needs to be taken down please, I don't think it will.

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#218 Racer850
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[QUOTE="W1NGMAN-"]

[QUOTE="Racer850"]

Here is the picture from the article, IGN pretty much have confirmed that this game will look as beautiful as we have been led to believe.

Heres the link

http://uk.xbox360.ign.com/articles/100/1008721p1.html

My friend just recently hooked up his 300 Chrysler...I'll post pics later, it's pretty sweet looking.

Always loved the 300C, They have so much presence.
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#219 zero_snake99
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[QUOTE="zero_snake99"][QUOTE="Racer850"] It's still going to the best looking racing game on the 360, I will admit that GT5 has nailed the lighting but Forza has always been about the Physics, the graphics are just a big bonus.Threebabycows

Well, yeah. Of course. It's a great looking game. I was just saying that it won't match those screens. AA makes a HUGE difference. Aliasing causes the most drastic decline in image fidelity out of every type of graphics artifacting. That's why GT5p looked bad in game. The AA was just lacking.

Forza in game is 4X already, so will going to 8/16X going to make a big difference?

Well the difference between 4 and 8 isn't much, but rendering techniques are different during real time vs actual CGI rendering. For example, the rasterized reflections on a car wouldn't be AA'd/Blended during real time, because thats a huge performance hitter, but to create an image, it really isn't hard to do, but kicks up the graphical fidelity by a lot. Same for things like sprites.
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#220 Jrfanfreak88
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Forza 3 keeps getting more beautiful and amazing by the day.

My apologies if old, because I'm sure it is, as people love their Forza here, but damn... can't wait for the end of Oct... Rocktober! :D

BioShockOwnz

Ill take NASCAR over this any day, as would thousands or perhaps millions of other NASCAR fans.

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#221 Threebabycows
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[QUOTE="Threebabycows"]

[QUOTE="zero_snake99"] Well, yeah. Of course. It's a great looking game. I was just saying that it won't match those screens. AA makes a HUGE difference. Aliasing causes the most drastic decline in image fidelity out of every type of graphics artifacting. That's why GT5p looked bad in game. The AA was just lacking.zero_snake99

Forza in game is 4X already, so will going to 8/16X going to make a big difference?

Well the difference between 4 and 8 isn't much, but rendering techniques are different during real time vs actual CGI rendering. For example, the rasterized reflections on a car wouldn't be AA'd/Blended during real time, because thats a huge performance hitter, but to create an image, it really isn't hard to do, but kicks up the graphical fidelity by a lot. Same for things like sprites.

They said they only add AA/postprocessing. Unless AA/blending is post-processing.

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#222 Racer850
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[QUOTE="Jrfanfreak88"]

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

Forza 3 keeps getting more beautiful and amazing by the day.

My apologies if old, because I'm sure it is, as people love their Forza here, but damn... can't wait for the end of Oct... Rocktober! :D

Ill take NASCAR over this any day, as would thousands or perhaps millions of other NASCAR fans.

Nascar is crap anyway.
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#223 zero_snake99
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[QUOTE="zero_snake99"]

[QUOTE="masiisam"]

I meant the adjustments themselves ….what the cars handles like.(post adjustment).. Not the limited amount of options you can adjust the car.

Meaning I put a value of positive toe into the set-up the car will have clear definitive trait and GT5P did not posses that at all..It took an unrealistic amount of an adjustment to get the desired outcome.

masiisam

I agree. It's not as extreme as you make it out to be, but I did have to go a little "over the top" with my settings. I was trying some drifting out, so I put a toe in on the rear, lowered the suspension, changed the bound/rebound, and it didn't change much, so I had to change the settings more for it to have an effect.

I was unaware I was being "extreme" ....I find if it takes +3 degrees of an adjustment that should only require .5 -.75 degrees…... then that's far from "over the top" and lands squarely on "unrealistic".

My suggestion on your adjustments are…..If you "put" toe-in on the rear (I am assuming you increased the value(more) with using the word put) you take that right back out as more toe-in on the rear will cause you to loose steering, increase straight line stability and give you more traction out of the corner..

In essence everything you don't want in a drifting set-up.

Softer Front sway, Harder rear spring..Zero camber and slight front toe-out are the beginning stages of a drift set-up…. Start with that and you will find an instant improvement

Really? Hmm. What I have now has been working for the most part, but I'll be sure to try it out. Thanks.
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#224 deactivated-5dd711115e664
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But what if you don't like tomato juice?

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#225 Tobin09
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[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

Forza 3 keeps getting more beautiful and amazing by the day.

My apologies if old, because I'm sure it is, as people love their Forza here, but damn... can't wait for the end of Oct... Rocktober! :D

Jrfanfreak88

Ill take NASCAR over this any day, as would thousands or perhaps millions of other NASCAR fans.

you just like the GT version of NASCAR, becouse there were 6~7 of JR's car on the track at one time in the trailer.

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#226 zero_snake99
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[QUOTE="zero_snake99"][QUOTE="Threebabycows"]

Forza in game is 4X already, so will going to 8/16X going to make a big difference?

Threebabycows

Well the difference between 4 and 8 isn't much, but rendering techniques are different during real time vs actual CGI rendering. For example, the rasterized reflections on a car wouldn't be AA'd/Blended during real time, because thats a huge performance hitter, but to create an image, it really isn't hard to do, but kicks up the graphical fidelity by a lot. Same for things like sprites.

They said they only add AA/postprocessing. Unless AA/blending is post-processing.

I used the term "blending" because technically, making reflections look smoother isn't an AA process. AA has to do with averaging near by colors from polygonal edges. This is why I said blending, because the reflections are rasterized images of the surrounding, mapped onto the model. Since it is a raster, it technically can't be "AA"d. And yes AA is post processing. Things like AA, Motion Blur, contrast/color filters, and overlays are all post procs.
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#227 Racer850
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Zero you certainly know your stuff.
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#228 Marka1700
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Forza 3 keeps getting more beautiful and amazing by the day.

My apologies if old, because I'm sure it is, as people love their Forza here, but damn... can't wait for the end of Oct... Rocktober! :D

BioShockOwnz

They better have Mt. Panorama then. But in all seriousness, the sport stagnated and became unintersting when they banned all the other cars and made it Ford and Holdens only.

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#229 Tauu
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GT. Accept no imitations.

/thread

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#230 zero_snake99
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Zero you certainly know your stuff.Racer850
Sarcasm?
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#231 Racer850
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[QUOTE="Racer850"]Zero you certainly know your stuff.zero_snake99
Sarcasm?

No im being honest.
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#232 Racer850
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[QUOTE="Tauu"]

GT. Accept no imitations.

/thread

What?
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#233 masiisam
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[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

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Forza 3 keeps getting more beautiful and amazing by the day.

My apologies if old, because I'm sure it is, as people love their Forza here, but damn... can't wait for the end of Oct... Rocktober! :D

Marka1700

They better have Mt. Panorama then. But in all seriousness, the sport stagnated and became unintersting when they banned all the other cars and made it Ford and Holdens only.

Really? I found the racing tightened up and became more competitive……granted… I am on the other side of the pond and might not see every race…but from the dozen or so I have seen over the past year…..It looks like it did some good…

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#234 zero_snake99
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[QUOTE="zero_snake99"][QUOTE="Racer850"]Zero you certainly know your stuff.Racer850
Sarcasm?

No im being honest.

Oh, thanks. Yeah, I'd hope I knew my stuff lol. I'm going into this stuff when I graduate lol. I also do a lot of Blender work. http://www.blender.org/ Blender isn't a good program to start off with (that's what I did..lol bad idea) but it does everything. It's an open source program that lets you create 3D images and even 3D renders. It's nothing like OpenGL or anything, which I do plan on doing some time this year for my semester final. It would be pretty sad if I was going into CS (game programming specifically) and I didn't know wtf I was talking about. I probably wouldn't even post on SW's if I didn't lol.
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#235 Racer850
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[QUOTE="Racer850"][QUOTE="zero_snake99"] Sarcasm?zero_snake99
No im being honest.

Oh, thanks. Yeah, I'd hope I knew my stuff lol. I'm going into this stuff when I graduate lol. I also do a lot of Blender work. http://www.blender.org/ Blender isn't a good program to start off with (that's what I did..lol bad idea) but it does everything. It's an open source program that lets you create 3D images and even 3D renders. It's nothing like OpenGL or anything, which I do plan on doing some time this year for my semester final. It would be pretty sad if I was going into CS (game programming specifically) and I didn't know wtf I was talking about. I probably wouldn't even post on SW's if I didn't lol.

You will 100% go far with your knowledge.
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#236 zero_snake99
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[QUOTE="Racer850"] You will 100% go far with your knowledge.

I appreciate it =D. Anyway, Forza 3 + GT5 = a happy year for me. *crosses fingers*.
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#237 Threebabycows
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[QUOTE="Racer850"] You will 100% go far with your knowledge.zero_snake99
I appreciate it =D. Anyway, Forza 3 + GT5 = a happy year for me. *crosses fingers*.

You lack a 360.

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#238 zero_snake99
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[QUOTE="zero_snake99"][QUOTE="Racer850"] You will 100% go far with your knowledge.Threebabycows

I appreciate it =D. Anyway, Forza 3 + GT5 = a happy year for me. *crosses fingers*.

You lack a 360.

My brother lives about 10 mins away from me. He owns a 360, so I can easily drop by any time.
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#239 Threebabycows
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[QUOTE="Threebabycows"]

[QUOTE="zero_snake99"] I appreciate it =D. Anyway, Forza 3 + GT5 = a happy year for me. *crosses fingers*.zero_snake99

You lack a 360.

My brother lives about 10 mins away from me. He owns a 360, so I can easily drop by any time.

But what if you feel the urge at 3:00 AM?

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#240 TIE_Elite_Pilot
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much rather have that than NASCAR anyday.

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#241 Tobin09
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much rather have that than NASCAR anyday.

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FORZA HAS NASCAR TOO! What, does everyone not see my post or something?
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#242 navyguy21
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[QUOTE="TIE_Elite_Pilot"]

much rather have that than NASCAR anyday.

Tobin09
FORZA HAS NASCAR TOO! What, does everyone not see my post or something?

Fanboy goggles are from the future, and have the ability to scan, and block facts and common sense depending on how its programed (Cow or Lemming software :P )
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#243 TIE_Elite_Pilot
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I don't care if Forza has NASCAR. what's fanboyish about not caring if Nascar is in the game or not? all I said is that I'd rather have the V8 supercars than Nascar. so uh, sorry for not giving a rats ass about nascar?

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#244 Gl0ry_L0rd
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So you guys get this, and we get WRC, Nascar, and even to some extent F1. Fine with me.

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#245 fenwickhotmail
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So you guys get this, and we get WRC, Nascar, and even to some extent F1. Fine with me.

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No, I get both.
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#246 Rockman999
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[QUOTE="Gl0ry_L0rd"]

So you guys get this, and we get WRC, Nascar, and even to some extent F1. Fine with me.

fenwickhotmail

No, I get both.

Well done sir.

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#247 fenwickhotmail
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[QUOTE="Rockman999"]

[QUOTE="fenwickhotmail"][QUOTE="Gl0ry_L0rd"]

So you guys get this, and we get WRC, Nascar, and even to some extent F1. Fine with me.

No, I get both.

Well done sir.

Ha, most try and hide their 'fanboyism', but he just blatantly announced his. Shame, missing out on what looks like a great game. And for what?
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#248 Tobin09
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I don't care if Forza has NASCAR. what's fanboyish about not caring if Nascar is in the game or not? all I said is that I'd rather have the V8 supercars than Nascar. so uh, sorry for not giving a rats ass about nascar?

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Apologies, meant to quote other post.
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#249 spike6566
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lmao, forza 3 has V8's. News to TC, EVERY RACING GAME HAS V8 CARS. not something new lol.
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#250 Shhadow_Viper
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[QUOTE="Shhadow_Viper"]

Nascar is a millions times more of a selling point than V8. Not to say that V8 is bad, but Nascar has a following that is astronomical in number. It's like you just tried to call out the NFL because some new game has arena league football... :lol:

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NASCAR in forza, yes, The COT is in too, just the nationwide(old cup car maybe?)car is the only one we have a pic of.

Turn 10 has the cars, just not the liscence to scream WE HAVE NASCAR!!!!

Someone tell me if the pic needs to be taken down please, I don't think it will.

That really is cool, I am sure Forza will easily be all it is cracked up to be. Which is one of the very best sim racers. That also looks like one of the best applications of the livery editor IMO. I was really only addressing the implication that V8 is a selling point against Nascar.