Who over promises and under delivers more overall as a company SONY or MS

1.Krazy Ken said that the ps3 would be capable of 120hz and 1080p on every game thats not misqouted. WilliamRLBaker

Then link it. He never said every game would be 1080p and the 120Hz comment was that they wanted the PS3 to support it when the displays were more readily available (note the upcoming 3D update).

Sony, hands down.

Everyone in SW knows the laundry list of reasons as to why.

It's weird that people keep saying 4D , I don't even know what it means. :lol: I don't even think Kaz knew when he said it. We could be up to 5D by now in his mind.

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"] 1.Krazy Ken said that the ps3 would be capable of 120hz and 1080p on every game thats not misqouted. asylumni

Then link it. He never said every game would be 1080p and the 120Hz comment was that they wanted the PS3 to support it when the displays were more readily available (note the upcoming 3D update).

It's weird that people keep saying 4D , I don't even know what it means. :lol: I don't even think Kaz knew when he said it. We could be up to 5D by now in his mind.

Nike_Air

Whatever this is is supposedly 4-D

[QUOTE="Vadamee"]I have a better question you guys: Is PS3 better than PS2? Is 360 better than Xbox? ;)idontbeliveit

[QUOTE="ZIMdoom"]

last gen i would say Sony, but this gen it is easily MS. They promised standard HDD and $299 price tag. They don't have standard wireless and didn't launch with HDMi. Meanwhile, they are trying to appeal to every possible demographic and have released what seems like 20 skus all with different features, etc.

blue_hazy_basic

When they first started talking about the 360 way back at E3 before the official launch announcement. Do you honestly not remeber or were you just hoping this bet of news got lost down the memory hole? MS was widely criticised by EVERYONE for promising standard HDD to the public while, behind the scenes, they were telling developers to make their games with the idea that HDD won't be standard.

The $299 thing was more implied that flat out promised, but still, sony at least warned people the PS3 would probably be expensive before they made the kick-in-the-teeth $600 announcement.

People dont like being over-anticipated and under-whelmed. Lets look at the sales numbers. The answer is clearly Sony (but MS has done some of that as well).

Going into this gen from the 360 I expected: some strong titles and new IPs, an unrivaled online experience and great graphics. I got all 3.

Going into this gen from the PS3 I expected: 4D graphics, 120 FPS and giant enemy crabs. I only got one of those.

People dont like being over-anticipated and under-whelmed. Lets look at the sales numbers. The answer is clearly Sony (but MS has done some of that as well).

Going into this gen from the 360 I expected: some strong titles and new IPs, an unrivaled online experience and great graphics. I got all 3.

Going into this gen from the PS3 I expected: 4D graphics, 120 FPS and giant enemy crabs. I only got one of those.

shadow8585

People dont like be over-anticipate and under-whelmed. Lets look at the sales numbers. The answer is clearly Sony (but MS has done some of that as well). Going into this gen from the 360 I expected: some strong titles and new IPs, an unrivaled online experience and great graphics. I got all 3. Going into this gen from the PS3 I expected: 4D graphics, 120 FPS and giant enemy crabs. I only got one of those.shadow8585

Sony over promises

MS under delivers.

Its a tie.

brennan7777

Under deliver is gaugued from the promises made. And last I checked it wasn't MS that promised:

* 120 fps
* 1080p in ALL games
* dual HDMI
* 4D graphics
* the end of jaggies (PS2)

[QUOTE="ZIMdoom"]

last gen i would say Sony, but this gen it is easily MS. They promised standard HDD and $299 price tag. They don't have standard wireless and didn't launch with HDMi. Meanwhile, they are trying to appeal to every possible demographic and have released what seems like 20 skus all with different features, etc.

Theguy56

wow...so much confusion and misinformation...where to start?

1) They didn't give standard HDD with $299 price tag because the 360 that CAME with the HDD was $399.

2) That is not standard HDD because it means developers have to make games on the premis that perhaps some people won't have HDD.

3) Considering all last gen MS wash bashing Sony for not making the PS3 HDD standard and saying how not making it standard is a huge mistake, bad for games, and how standard HDD is the future of the industry...I think they deserve some bashing in return for being hypocrits this gen.

4) SOny may not have had HDMi cables right out of the box, but they never promised they would include it...so you can't say they overpromised and underdelivered on that one. You are just making knee-jerk reactions to the FACT that maybe MS makes just as many false claims as anyone else.

5) I have said many times that I don't consider updating the HDD a "new sku" because all PS3 have the same capabilites and features EXCEPT for the bc issue. I will be the first to say I am a huge defender of BC and am upset Sony took it out. But the fact is that retailers have only ever had 2 PS3s out at any one time. And ALL ps3s play BR, have wireless, etc. So I honestly do not considering a HDD upgrade to be a new sku. 360 on the other hand has literally had 3 or 4 different consoles out at ONE TIME in the past. And their models have different features added to them. I highly doubt that is LESS confusing for consumers than sony offering more space but all the same capabilities.

[QUOTE="idontbeliveit"][QUOTE="Vadamee"]I have a better question you guys: Is PS3 better than PS2? Is 360 better than Xbox? ;)Vadamee

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="ZIMdoom"]

last gen i would say Sony, but this gen it is easily MS. They promised standard HDD and $299 price tag. They don't have standard wireless and didn't launch with HDMi. Meanwhile, they are trying to appeal to every possible demographic and have released what seems like 20 skus all with different features, etc.

ZIMdoom

When they first started talking about the 360 way back at E3 before the official launch announcement. Do you honestly not remeber or were you just hoping this bet of news got lost down the memory hole? MS was widely criticised by EVERYONE for promising standard HDD to the public while, behind the scenes, they were telling developers to make their games with the idea that HDD won't be standard.

The $299 thing was more implied that flat out promised, but still, sony at least warned people the PS3 would probably be expensive before they made the kick-in-the-teeth $600 announcement.

No I honestly don't remember, do you have a link? And that seems rather minor in the scheme of things ...

But talking about that long ago its time to bring out the thread/ weapon. Were you hoping I had forgotten this Zim? :lol:

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25247543

Yup the Sony disappointment PS3 timeline thread, reborn in all its glory! :D

I have said many times that I don't consider updating the HDD a "new sku" because all PS3 have the same capabilites and features EXCEPT for the bc issue. I will be the first to say I am a huge defender of BC and am upset Sony took it out. But the fact is that retailers have only ever had 2 PS3s out at any one time. And ALL ps3s play BR, have wireless, etc. So I honestly do not considering a HDD upgrade to be a new sku. 360 on the other hand has literally had 3 or 4 different consoles out at ONE TIME in the past. And their models have different features added to them. I highly doubt that is LESS confusing for consumers than sony offering more space but all the same capabilities.

ZIMdoom

[QUOTE="asylumni"]

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"] 1.Krazy Ken said that the ps3 would be capable of 120hz and 1080p on every game thats not misqouted. Halo__Reach

Then link it. He never said every game would be 1080p and the 120Hz comment was that they wanted the PS3 to support it when the displays were more readily available (note the upcoming 3D update).

Well, first off, I'm saying these were two separate comments. But yes, when the PS3 gets the update to support 3D (the main form Sony is pushing requires 120fps) it could support that output. No one ever claimed that every game would be 1080p, just like no one claimed every game will support 120Hz and they most certainly never said that every game would do both, like WilliamRLBaker claims. But once the PS3 is enabled to support 120Hz output, there's no reason a game could not do this (scaling back on other aspects, of course) or with 3D Blu-ray movies.

These sort of items are the capabilities of the machine and don't disappear just because a game doesn't utilize them. For example, the fact that Uncharted doesn't support online multiplayer doesn't mean the PS3 is incapable of online multiplayer. Similarly, the fact that Uncharted doesn't run at 1080p doesn't mean the PS3 doesn't support 1080p.

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"] 1.Krazy Ken said that the ps3 would be capable of 120hz and 1080p on every game thats not misqouted. asylumni

Then link it. He never said every game would be 1080p and the 120Hz comment was that they wanted the PS3 to support it when the displays were more readily available (note the upcoming 3D update).

[QUOTE="asylumni"]

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"] 1.Krazy Ken said that the ps3 would be capable of 120hz and 1080p on every game thats not misqouted. Halo__Reach

Then link it. He never said every game would be 1080p and the 120Hz comment was that they wanted the PS3 to support it when the displays were more readily available (note the upcoming 3D update).

[QUOTE="ZIMdoom"] I have said many times that I don't consider updating the HDD a "new sku" because all PS3 have the same capabilites and features EXCEPT for the bc issue. I will be the first to say I am a huge defender of BC and am upset Sony took it out. But the fact is that retailers have only ever had 2 PS3s out at any one time. And ALL ps3s play BR, have wireless, etc. So I honestly do not considering a HDD upgrade to be a new sku. 360 on the other hand has literally had 3 or 4 different consoles out at ONE TIME in the past. And their models have different features added to them. I highly doubt that is LESS confusing for consumers than sony offering more space but all the same capabilities.

blue_hazy_basic

I never said it was different...I just said they have had way more SKUs and the added confusion of the HDD issue (to have it or not). Then they added HDMI. Then there was also a bunch of confusion over the different chip evolutions and whether or not they got rid of the RROD issue.

Sorry, but no matter how you look at it, the 360 has had more SKUs and those skus had MORE difference between them than the PS3. Also, they had more SKUs out at once time.

That thread was posted earlier as well. I wonder if it will stick this time. I'm still amazed anyone voted for MS... musicalmac

No I honestly don't remember, do you have a link? And that seems rather minor in the scheme of things ...

But talking about that long ago its time to bring out the thread/ weapon. Were you hoping I had forgotten this Zim? :lol:

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25247543

Yup the Sony disappointment PS3 timeline thread, reborn in all its glory! :D

blue_hazy_basic

No, I don't have a link and don't have time to look for one right now. I have no intention of being a history teacher in today's "common wisdom is fact" environment. Especially since if you really cared about the facts (or proving me wrong) you can just look it up yourself if/when you feel like it. If you don't believe me...whatever.I stand by that claim.

As for the Sony disappointment timeline...that has never bothered me. Plus I think if we are going to analyze a companies entire history (not just the games division) to find misinformation and "disappointment", I'm sure MS's would be just as long.

That thread was posted earlier as well. I wonder if it will stick this time. I'm still amazed anyone voted for MS... musicalmac

I was sure you were around here long enough to know fanboys by now ;)

That thread was posted earlier as well. I wonder if it will stick this time. I'm still amazed anyone voted for MS... musicalmac

It probably got ignored because it's largely irrelevant to this discussion (ref. the Sony dissapointment timeline). Most of the things on that list were unrelated to gaming, never promised or misinterpreted. It's just a bash on Sony and helps show the bias of the people posting it (ie.: criticizing Sony for pricing 1st party titles at $59.99).

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]

[QUOTE="ZIMdoom"] I have said many times that I don't consider updating the HDD a "new sku" because all PS3 have the same capabilites and features EXCEPT for the bc issue. I will be the first to say I am a huge defender of BC and am upset Sony took it out. But the fact is that retailers have only ever had 2 PS3s out at any one time. And ALL ps3s play BR, have wireless, etc. So I honestly do not considering a HDD upgrade to be a new sku. 360 on the other hand has literally had 3 or 4 different consoles out at ONE TIME in the past. And their models have different features added to them. I highly doubt that is LESS confusing for consumers than sony offering more space but all the same capabilities.

ZIMdoom

I never said it was different...I just said they have had way more SKUs and the added confusion of the HDD issue (to have it or not). Then they added HDMI. Then there was also a bunch of confusion over the different chip evolutions and whether or not they got rid of the RROD issue.

Sorry, but no matter how you look at it, the 360 has had more SKUs and those skus had MORE difference between them than the PS3. Also, they had more SKUs out at once time.

http://www.joystiq.com/2009/08/18/tabulator-ps3-slim-and-phat-sized-up/(7)

Not including the different SKU's in Europe.

the 360 http://www.joystiq.com/2008/11/18/holidaze-2008-xbox-360-sku-chart-revisited/(6)

Now I count6 360 SKU's at one year extra compared to 7 PS3's with one year less. Am I missing something, or is that site being biased?

I was sure you were around here long enough to know fanboys by now ;)

AdobeArtist

It probably got ignored because it's largely irrelevant to this discussion (ref. the Sony dissapointment timeline). Most of the things on that list were unrelated to gaming, never promised or misinterpreted. It's just a bash on Sony and helps show the bias of the people posting it (ie.: criticizing Sony for pricing 1st party titles at $59.99).

asylumni

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]

No I honestly don't remember, do you have a link? And that seems rather minor in the scheme of things ...

But talking about that long ago its time to bring out the thread/ weapon. Were you hoping I had forgotten this Zim? :lol:

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25247543

Yup the Sony disappointment PS3 timeline thread, reborn in all its glory! :D

No, I don't have a link and don't have time to look for one right now. I have no intention of being a history teacher in today's "common wisdom is fact" environment. Especially since if you really cared about the facts (or proving me wrong) you can just look it up yourself if/when you feel like it. If you don't believe me...whatever.I stand by that claim.

As for the Sony disappointment timeline...that has never bothered me. Plus I think if we are going to analyze a companies entire history (not just the games division) to find misinformation and "disappointment", I'm sure MS's would be just as long.

http://www.joystiq.com/2009/08/18/tabulator-ps3-slim-and-phat-sized-up/(7)

Not including the different SKU's in Europe.

the 360 http://www.joystiq.com/2008/11/18/holidaze-2008-xbox-360-sku-chart-revisited/(6)

Now I count6 360 SKU's at one year extra compared to 7 PS3's with one year less. Am I missing something, or is that site being biased?

blue_hazy_basic

Yes, you are missing something. I already said that I don't consider HDD size to qualify as a new sku. The PS3 has only ever had two models on the market at once, and the 360 has had 3 (4 if you count the Halo special edition).

Two consoles vs 3 or 4 at once. Which do you think is more confusing for the general consumer?

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]

http://www.joystiq.com/2009/08/18/tabulator-ps3-slim-and-phat-sized-up/(7)

Not including the different SKU's in Europe.

the 360 http://www.joystiq.com/2008/11/18/holidaze-2008-xbox-360-sku-chart-revisited/(6)

Now I count6 360 SKU's at one year extra compared to 7 PS3's with one year less. Am I missing something, or is that site being biased?

ZIMdoom

Yes, you are missing something. I already said that I don't consider HDD size to qualify as a new sku. The PS3 has only ever had two models on the market at once, and the 360 has had 3 (4 if you count the Halo special edition).

Two consoles vs 3 or 4 at once. Which do you think is more confusing for the general consumer?

You don't think its more confusing to have some SKU's with BC, some without? And the only difference in the 360's was HDD size.

By far Sony over promises and under delivers when compared to Microsoft. I don't think it is all to bad though, because at least it means Sony is taking risks and trying new things. They don't always deliver ($100 PS2 HDD :(), but I appreciate them trying things.

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]

http://www.joystiq.com/2009/08/18/tabulator-ps3-slim-and-phat-sized-up/(7)

Not including the different SKU's in Europe.

the 360 http://www.joystiq.com/2008/11/18/holidaze-2008-xbox-360-sku-chart-revisited/(6)

Now I count6 360 SKU's at one year extra compared to 7 PS3's with one year less. Am I missing something, or is that site being biased?

ZIMdoom

Yes, you are missing something. I already said that I don't consider HDD size to qualify as a new sku. The PS3 has only ever had two models on the market at once, and the 360 has had 3 (4 if you count the Halo special edition).

Two consoles vs 3 or 4 at once. Which do you think is more confusing for the general consumer?

So then an Elite and Pro are the same system, since the only difference was HD space...

[QUOTE="ZIMdoom"]

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]

http://www.joystiq.com/2009/08/18/tabulator-ps3-slim-and-phat-sized-up/(7)

Not including the different SKU's in Europe.

the 360 http://www.joystiq.com/2008/11/18/holidaze-2008-xbox-360-sku-chart-revisited/(6)

Now I count6 360 SKU's at one year extra compared to 7 PS3's with one year less. Am I missing something, or is that site being biased?

Yes, you are missing something. I already said that I don't consider HDD size to qualify as a new sku. The PS3 has only ever had two models on the market at once, and the 360 has had 3 (4 if you count the Halo special edition).

Two consoles vs 3 or 4 at once. Which do you think is more confusing for the general consumer?

So then an Elite and Pro are the same system, since the only difference was HD space...

Actually its just the 1st 2 links in that were non gaming, all the rest were related to the gaming division and the PS3, I know it makes for uncomfortable reading. Plus when you make a claim on here, especially one so easily found, its your responsibility to provide the evidence, not for other people to go hunting for it. You know that by now. If it was such common knowledge it would have taken less time to find than to type that sentence. See how I provided links to the SKU's and didn't just make up things?blue_hazy_basic

I also know that no matter how many times one personposts fact, people herewon't believe it because they would rather believe something that is repeated a lot by other fanboys. I will refer to the whole "PS2 will have Toy Story graphics" debacle as proof of the BS that gets taken as fact while the real facts (MS directly said that, Sony didn't)are ignored. People still say that the PS2 never met the expectations of the early demoHence, my lack of effort to bother convincing you. If you can't be bothered to remember actual videogame history - recent history at that - then

Yet it's funny how the lemmings have bothered cataloging every single thing Sony has ever said (whether misinterpreted or not). Just more proof that lemmings truly believe Sony is to blame for everything and everything they said is bad, while completely ignoring or excusing everything MS says or does. How many times have people addressed some of those issues (ie. 4d, 2 HDMI, etc) only to be ignored? The fact that you have posted that list only proves you care less about the facts and reality than being an MS fanboy. Hey! Remember how the RROD was not a problem and the 360 only had a 3% failure rate! MS said so so it had to be true! Oh wait...until it wasn't.

But I will dig up a link when I get the chance...not that it will change anything.

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]Actually its just the 1st 2 links in that were non gaming, all the rest were related to the gaming division and the PS3, I know it makes for uncomfortable reading. Plus when you make a claim on here, especially one so easily found, its your responsibility to provide the evidence, not for other people to go hunting for it. You know that by now. If it was such common knowledge it would have taken less time to find than to type that sentence. See how I provided links to the SKU's and didn't just make up things?ZIMdoom

I also know that no matter how many times one personposts fact, people herewon't believe it because they would rather believe something that is repeated a lot by other fanboys. I will refer to the whole "PS2 will have Toy Story graphics" debacle as proof of the BS that gets taken as fact while the real facts (MS directly said that, Sony didn't)are ignored. People still say that the PS2 never met the expectations of the early demoHence, my lack of effort to bother convincing you. If you can't be bothered to remember actual videogame history - recent history at that - then

Yet it's funny how the lemmings have bothered cataloging every single thing Sony has ever said (whether misinterpreted or not). Just more proof that lemmings truly believe Sony is to blame for everything and everything they said is bad, while completely ignoring or excusing everything MS says or does. How many times have people addressed some of those issues (ie. 4d, 2 HDMI, etc) only to be ignored? The fact that you have posted that list only proves you care less about the facts and reality than being an MS fanboy. Hey! Remember how the RROD was not a problem and the 360 only had a 3% failure rate! MS said so so it had to be true! Oh wait...until it wasn't.

But I will dig up a link when I get the chance...not that it will change anything.

http://www.joystiq.com/2009/08/18/tabulator-ps3-slim-and-phat-sized-up/(7)

Not including the different SKU's in Europe.

the 360 http://www.joystiq.com/2008/11/18/holidaze-2008-xbox-360-sku-chart-revisited/(6)

Now I count6 360 SKU's at one year extra compared to 7 PS3's with one year less. Am I missing something, or is that site being biased?

blue_hazy_basic

Umm, the 360 article is 2008 and the PS3 is from 2009, wouldn't that be about the same time period for both? Also, are you not counting the Pro and Arcade systems with HDMI separate from the ones without? Also missing are the two Arcade SKU's with internal 256 MB and 512 MB memory.

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]

http://www.joystiq.com/2009/08/18/tabulator-ps3-slim-and-phat-sized-up/(7)

Not including the different SKU's in Europe.

the 360 http://www.joystiq.com/2008/11/18/holidaze-2008-xbox-360-sku-chart-revisited/(6)

Now I count6 360 SKU's at one year extra compared to 7 PS3's with one year less. Am I missing something, or is that site being biased?

asylumni

Umm, the 360 article is 2008 and the PS3 is from 2009, wouldn't that be about the same time period for both? Also, are you not counting the Pro and Arcade systems with HDMI separate from the ones without? Also missing are the two Arcade SKU's with internal 256 MB and 512 MB memory.

EDIT and there is also the 250GB model of the PS3 on the way isn't there?

Well as a company as whole, Microsoft undelivers like none other, but I think the playstation division at sony has underdelieverd with PS3 (just think about what they said the PS3 was going to have, 2 cells, 2 hdmi outputs, 120 fps [which it would have if it had had 2 cells...) a lot more that the xbox division at microsoft.

[QUOTE="asylumni"]

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]

http://www.joystiq.com/2009/08/18/tabulator-ps3-slim-and-phat-sized-up/(7)

Not including the different SKU's in Europe.

the 360 http://www.joystiq.com/2008/11/18/holidaze-2008-xbox-360-sku-chart-revisited/(6)

Now I count6 360 SKU's at one year extra compared to 7 PS3's with one year less. Am I missing something, or is that site being biased?

blue_hazy_basic

Umm, the 360 article is 2008 and the PS3 is from 2009, wouldn't that be about the same time period for both? Also, are you not counting the Pro and Arcade systems with HDMI separate from the ones without? Also missing are the two Arcade SKU's with internal 256 MB and 512 MB memory.

Just when MS got rid of the memory card for the Arcade and made it internal and then changed the size. The funny thing is, neither also include the limited editions or normal SKU changes when manufacturing changed (smaller fab processing, combining chips, etc.) that offer similar functionality but are technically different SKU's.

Remember when the 360 launced and Jay Allard talked about 'Generation Remix'... all that BS about people trading user created content like custom skateboards for Tony Hawk etc.? That didn't exactly pan out... not that I'm to miffed about that. The crappy thing is, they charge for all DLC content even if the developers don't want them to, which sucks tremendously. PC users get this stuff for free... just look at Team Fortress 2... it's like a whole new free game now, but only on PC. However, Sony does a lot of backtracking too. For instance, they said that 'Rumble is last gen', and that asking customers for more money for an out-dated feature was a 'disservice to their customers'. Then they released the DualShock 3 and made all early adopters spend another $60 per user. That was just stunningly hypocritical. And don't get me started on Home... possibly Sony's greatest failure this generation. I'd say they both screw the pooch. But hey... it's a war, right.donalbane

I remember that E3 05 conference. And while it didn't turn out quite the way as desscribed, thanks to XNA and Live's Marketplace, there IS a vehicle for distributing user created content. Only now being original games instead of add-ons for other developer games, which I think is better. Its more like the original concept evolved.

Sony over promises/over hypes, MS under delivers, especially lately.

You mean like the online poll cows used as fact? Or when people claim that only certain things count as new SKU's even when the companies themselves call them new SKU's? ;)blue_hazy_basic

Two PS3s at retail at a time compared to 3 or 4 360s at a time. That is all you need to know.

[QUOTE="donalbane"]Remember when the 360 launced and Jay Allard talked about 'Generation Remix'... all that BS about people trading user created content like custom skateboards for Tony Hawk etc.? That didn't exactly pan out... not that I'm to miffed about that. The crappy thing is, they charge for all DLC content even if the developers don't want them to, which sucks tremendously. PC users get this stuff for free... just look at Team Fortress 2... it's like a whole new free game now, but only on PC. However, Sony does a lot of backtracking too. For instance, they said that 'Rumble is last gen', and that asking customers for more money for an out-dated feature was a 'disservice to their customers'. Then they released the DualShock 3 and made all early adopters spend another $60 per user. That was just stunningly hypocritical. And don't get me started on Home... possibly Sony's greatest failure this generation. I'd say they both screw the pooch. But hey... it's a war, right.AdobeArtist

I remember that E3 05 conference. And while it didn't turn out quite the way as desscribed, thanks to XNA and Live's Marketplace, there IS a vehicle for distributing user created content. Only now being original games instead of add-ons for other developer games, which I think is better. Its more like the original concept evolved.

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]You mean like the online poll cows used as fact? Or when people claim that only certain things count as new SKU's even when the companies themselves call them new SKU's? ;)ZIMdoom

Two PS3s at retail at a time compared to 3 or 4 360s at a time. That is all you need to know.

4D, dual hdmi ports, and gaming at 120fps? Yeah that crown goes to Sony but they have been improving. Microsoft's hardware blows but they consistently released great software since launch.

InfinityMugen

I don't know where Sony was heading with dual HDMI and the ethernet hub crap but 4D refers to environments that change over time, such as the track deformation in Motorstorm. 120fps is for stereoscopic 3D which is right around the corner.

Why didn't we have the option to select Nintendo. They promised non-garbage games at launch and we're still stuck with more shovelware than anything else. If anything I'd say skynet over promised the end of the world.

[QUOTE="ZIMdoom"]

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]You mean like the online poll cows used as fact? Or when people claim that only certain things count as new SKU's even when the companies themselves call them new SKU's? ;)blue_hazy_basic

Two PS3s at retail at a time compared to 3 or 4 360s at a time. That is all you need to know.

Those ARE the facts. MS had had more SKUs at at one time than Sony. I don't see why this is so hard for you to understand. Or do you honestly think consumers are totally confused by Sony upgrading the HDD while keeping everything else the same?

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="ZIMdoom"]

Two PS3s at retail at a time compared to 3 or 4 360s at a time. That is all you need to know.

Those ARE the facts. MS had had more SKUs at at one time than Sony. I don't see why this is so hard for you to understand. Or do you honestly think consumers are totally confused by Sony upgrading the HDD while keeping everything else the same?