WHo said Uncharted 2 doesnt look better then crysis this says different.

[QUOTE="transformer994"]The video is from the IGN review. cowgriller

it's also from a cutscene, not actual gameplay like the crysis pics that have been posted.

Uncharted is all real time, no CGI.

Yeah im real jealous that no one is showing the graphics from naruto for the psp...:evil:

Aboogie5

[QUOTE="cowgriller"]

[QUOTE="transformer994"]The video is from the IGN review. WiiMan21

it's also from a cutscene, not actual gameplay like the crysis pics that have been posted.

Uncharted is all real time, no CGI.

Uncharted is all real time, no CGI.

WiiMan21

No one said it was CGI (although bink video wouldn't be far fetched on PS3).

What they are saying is it's an in engine cutscene, which typically offers much higher quality levels compared to actual game play graphics.

[QUOTE="ermacness"]

[QUOTE="ProjectPat187"]the PS3 or the 360 wont have any game this generation period that looks as good as Crysis maxed out at high resolution ProjectPat187

[QUOTE="WiiMan21"]

Uncharted is all real time, no CGI.

AnnoyedDragon

No one said it was CGI (although bink video wouldn't be far fetched on PS3).

What they are saying is it's an in engine cutscene, which typically offers much higher quality levels compared to actual game play graphics.

But the thing is that for Uncharted, it looks better in game than in a cutscene

Uncharted 2 does look great though...

RawDeal_basic

From that screen i can make a quick judement that Uncharted 2 does infact look better. Look at the blur on his armor and face, where as nathan's shirt and face look so detailed, no blur what so ever.

[QUOTE="WiiMan21"]

Uncharted is all real time, no CGI.

AnnoyedDragon

No one said it was CGI (although bink video wouldn't be far fetched on PS3).

What they are saying is it's an in engine cutscene, which typically offers much higher quality levels compared to actual game play graphics.

But the thing is that for Uncharted, it looks better in game than in a cutscene

WiiMan21

And what makes you think that? Especially considering the OP is using cutscene images to boast the games graphics and not game play?

[QUOTE="RawDeal_basic"]

Uncharted 2 does look great though...

wootasifwoot

From that screen i can make a quick judement that Uncharted 2 does infact look better. Look at the blur on his armor and face, where as nathan's shirt and face look so detailed, no blur what so ever.

Not only is DOF used in that scene, but Crysis also has object based motion blur.

It's possible that he's moving a tiny bit and it's causing some blur.

Man, ionno why people hype crysis so much for it's graphics. I got the game on my pc and yea, the single player looks good (not the online, that s**t looks terrible and blurred out) for an open world shooter but solely graphics wise, uncharted 2 DOES infact beat it. So hard for people to accept it but... it's true, you gotta stop living in a lie and just accept the cold hard facts.

[QUOTE="wootasifwoot"]

[QUOTE="RawDeal_basic"]

Uncharted 2 does look great though...

swazidoughman

From that screen i can make a quick judement that Uncharted 2 does infact look better. Look at the blur on his armor and face, where as nathan's shirt and face look so detailed, no blur what so ever.

Not only is DOF used in that scene, but Crysis also has object based motion blur.

It's possible that he's moving a tiny bit and it's causing some blur.

Hmm... the ground must be moving too cause that's blurred out. He must have taken the screenshot while there was an earth-quake ingame.

[QUOTE="WiiMan21"]

But the thing is that for Uncharted, it looks better in game than in a cutscene

AnnoyedDragon

And what makes you think that? Especially considering the OP is using cutscene images to boast the games graphics and not game play?

Because naughty dog and many others say the same. I've played and beaten the first game, and I've played the first and 2nd beta for uncharted 2, and a Demo. the main game looks a lot better than the cutscenes because it has more open world enviroments and not just a close up of the characters, as someone said. all that they add is facial expressions and better animations for the close ups.

Edit: Heres an example, all the cutscenes are is different camera angles.

[QUOTE="cowgriller"]

[QUOTE="transformer994"]The video is from the IGN review. WiiMan21

it's also from a cutscene, not actual gameplay like the crysis pics that have been posted.

Uncharted is all real time, no CGI.

most games are like this. the cutscenes are rendered in game with the games engine but are bumped up graphically because there is no gameplay to eat away resources. most of the cutscenes really are just cgi videos. ever hear of Bink Video? it allows video files to be rendered with the game engine and make it look likes actually part of the game, when in reality, it's just a cgi video. other cutscenes, the one's that don't look as nice, tend to be actual ingame cutscenes.

Hmm... the ground must be moving too cause that's blurred out. He must have taken the screenshot while there was an earth-quake ingame.wootasifwoot

/TC = failed troll

the following you can easily tell the game is set to medium settings. even at medium it still looks a hell of a lot better than uncharted.

btw, heavy rains characters look better than U2's.

cowgriller

Terrible texture... lots of blur on the all the pics. Look at the armor on the first pic (low textures and blur), second an third pics are the same, low textures and lots of blur.

fixedermacness

[QUOTE="WiiMan21"]

[QUOTE="cowgriller"]

it's also from a cutscene, not actual gameplay like the crysis pics that have been posted.

cowgriller

Uncharted is all real time, no CGI.

most games are like this. the cutscenes are rendered in game with the games engine but are bumped up graphically because there is no gameplay to eat away resources. most of the cutscenes really are just cgi videos. ever hear of Bink Video? it allows video files to be rendered with the game engine and make it look likes actually part of the game, when in reality, it's just a cgi video. other cutscenes, the one's that don't look as nice, tend to be actual ingame cutscenes.

Yeah I get what you are saying here, but uncharted doesn't feature any CGI cutscenes.

[QUOTE="wootasifwoot"]Hmm... the ground must be moving too cause that's blurred out. He must have taken the screenshot while there was an earth-quake ingame.AAllxxjjnn

so then why does the dude's armor look just as detailed as the ground? both have low textures.

I didn't think we'd be seeing games like that until the next generation. Looks awesome.

[QUOTE="cowgriller"]

/TC = failed troll

the following you can easily tell the game is set to medium settings. even at medium it still looks a hell of a lot better than uncharted.

btw, heavy rains characters look better than U2's.

wootasifwoot

Terrible texture... lots of blur on the all the pics. Look at the armor on the first pic (low textures and blur), second an third pics are the same, low textures and lots of blur.

the first pic is from the pre-release demo on high quality before the gtx series and the amd 4800 series cards came out really let gamers push frames and setting higher. the second pic is an off screen image taken from a tech demo in 2006l the third image is from the actual game itself running under medium quality. funny how you completely avoided the other crysis images including the one with the female scientist that i posted.

[QUOTE="cowgriller"]

[QUOTE="WiiMan21"]

Uncharted is all real time, no CGI.

WiiMan21

most games are like this. the cutscenes are rendered in game with the games engine but are bumped up graphically because there is no gameplay to eat away resources. most of the cutscenes really are just cgi videos. ever hear of Bink Video? it allows video files to be rendered with the game engine and make it look likes actually part of the game, when in reality, it's just a cgi video. other cutscenes, the one's that don't look as nice, tend to be actual ingame cutscenes.

Yeah I get what you are saying here, but uncharted doesn't feature any CGI cutscenes.

yes it does. it's a preredered video file that is run using bink video. it gives the illusion of it being ingame. this is done in almost all games. even gears 1 and 2 did this.

[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"][QUOTE="wootasifwoot"]Hmm... the ground must be moving too cause that's blurred out. He must have taken the screenshot while there was an earth-quake ingame.wootasifwoot

so then why does the dude's armor look just as detailed as the ground? both have low textures.

[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"][QUOTE="wootasifwoot"]Hmm... the ground must be moving too cause that's blurred out. He must have taken the screenshot while there was an earth-quake ingame.wootasifwoot

so then why does the dude's armor look just as detailed as the ground? both have low textures.

that's because the camera is over head and focused on his face. everything that is at a lower elevation level than psyhco's face will get blurred.

[QUOTE="WiiMan21"]

[QUOTE="cowgriller"]

most games are like this. the cutscenes are rendered in game with the games engine but are bumped up graphically because there is no gameplay to eat away resources. most of the cutscenes really are just cgi videos. ever hear of Bink Video? it allows video files to be rendered with the game engine and make it look likes actually part of the game, when in reality, it's just a cgi video. other cutscenes, the one's that don't look as nice, tend to be actual ingame cutscenes.

cowgriller

Yeah I get what you are saying here, but uncharted doesn't feature any CGI cutscenes.

yes it does. it's a preredered video file that is run using bink video. it gives the illusion of it being ingame. this is done in almost all games. even gears 1 and 2 did this.

Okay I will go with that now, but I will ask my friend on PSN the next time I'm on, He works for Naughty Dog.

Because naughty dog and many others say the same. I've played and beaten the first game, and I've played the first and 2nd beta for uncharted 2, and a Demo. the main game looks a lot better than the cutscenes because it has more open world enviroments and not just a close up of the characters, as someone said. all that they add is facial expressions and better animations for the close ups.

Edit: Heres an example, all the cutscenes are is different camera angles.

WiiMan21

I think there has been a misunderstanding.

The point is cut-scenes produce better graphics 'because' they have less to take into account. You are talking about open worlds and more being in them, that's the point, game play has allot more to consider so the available performance is spread out more. A cut-scene has allot less to consider, so it can use assets at a quality level that wouldn't perform well during game play.

Therefore using a cutscene as an indication of a games overall graphics is in most cases an invalid argument. Because all those high res textures, smooth animation, high AA levels, special effects etc. are not representative of the interactive experience. Especially in the case of the PS3, which can cannibalize performance that otherwise would have been used for CPU related tasks for graphics.

All of which is assuming everyone isn't arguing over a bink video here, which out of all platforms PS3 is in the best position to abuse because of Blu-ray storage.

Crysis still beats Uncharted 2 in the graphics department.

[QUOTE="transformer994"]The video is from the IGN review. cowgriller

it's also from a cutscene, not actual gameplay like the crysis pics that have been posted.

Cutscenes are rendered with the ingame engine and models.

Cutscenes are rendered with the ingame engine and models.

skektek

As said earlier...

[QUOTE="WiiMan21"]

Uncharted is all real time, no CGI.

AnnoyedDragon

No one said it was CGI (although bink video wouldn't be far fetched on PS3).

What they are saying is it's an in engine cutscene, which typically offers much higher quality levels compared to actual game play graphics.

While Uncharted 2 is possibly the best looking console game to date, there is no way it looks better than Crysis. Why are cows so desperate on this issue, anyways? I remember when cows didn't care about graphics at all. Now that's the ONLY thing they care about. I don't see why they can't enjoy what they have, instead of gloating like little school kids.MortalDecay

I think people here overstate Crysis's graphics.

It looks great and all, especially with mods but...it can look pretty mediocre at times and it's got some bad pop-in. Plus, most pictures have the sun right in your eyes, which sort of blocks everything else out.

Crysis looks more like this when you're playing...

Good and all...but not super amazing IMO.

(This may be because I've played the game so much that I've learned it's flaws and am looking for them all the time)

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[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"] No, ground is blurred because of the Depth of Field effect. The camera is focused on his face, there is a shallow depth of field. That part of the game is when he is hanging off a bridge.AAllxxjjnn

so then why does the dude's armor look just as detailed as the ground? both have low textures.

no, not warhead, didn't feel like wasting money, Crysis was pretty bad. But that's not the point, crysis and crysis warhead were reported to look identical anyway.

[QUOTE="cowgriller"]

The video is from the IGN review. transformer994

it's also from a cutscene, not actual gameplay like the crysis pics that have been posted.

Cutscenes are rendered with the ingame engine and models.

[QUOTE="RawDeal_basic"]

Uncharted 2 does look great though...

wootasifwoot

From that screen i can make a quick judement that Uncharted 2 does infact look better. Look at the blur on his armor and face, where as nathan's shirt and face look so detailed, no blur what so ever.

[QUOTE="MortalDecay"]While Uncharted 2 is possibly the best looking console game to date, there is no way it looks better than Crysis. Why are cows so desperate on this issue, anyways? I remember when cows didn't care about graphics at all. Now that's the ONLY thing they care about. I don't see why they can't enjoy what they have, instead of gloating like little school kids.urdead18

I think people here overstate Crysis's graphics. It looks great and all, especially with mods but...it can look pretty mediocre at times and it's got some bad pop-in. Plus, most pictures have the sun right in your eyes, which sort of blocks everything else out.urdead18

And yet there are Cows which deny their group ever actually challenges Crysis, that it is just trolls and they are to be ignored...

What do you say to them? Considering you are actually challenging Crysis with a console title.

[QUOTE="cowgriller"]

it's also from a cutscene, not actual gameplay like the crysis pics that have been posted.

Cutscenes are rendered with the ingame engine and models.

my goodness, those screens look absolutely incredible for a console game.

:shock:

[QUOTE="urdead18"]I think people here overstate Crysis's graphics. It looks great and all, especially with mods but...it can look pretty mediocre at times and it's got some bad pop-in. Plus, most pictures have the sun right in your eyes, which sort of blocks everything else out.AnnoyedDragon

And yet there are Cows which deny their group ever actually challenges Crysis, that it is just trolls and they are to be ignored...

What do you say to them? Considering you are actually challenging Crysis with a console title.

[QUOTE="skektek"]

As said earlier...

[QUOTE="AnnoyedDragon"]

[QUOTE="WiiMan21"]

Uncharted is all real time, no CGI.

AnnoyedDragon

No one said it was CGI (although bink video wouldn't be far fetched on PS3).

What they are saying is it's an in engine cutscene, which typically offers much higher quality levels compared to actual game play graphics.

I see the angle you are trying to play, and for other games this may apply but if you had played the original you would realize that the cutscenes use the same models as ingame and the ingame graphics sometimes surpass the cutscenes. I'm sure the same is true for UC2.

[QUOTE="Baranga"]

No.

cowgriller

you might just want to post the links because the images aren't showing.

here's your pics link:

http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o1/ummDivine/Crysis2008-01-1515-35-28-31.jpg

and here's a pic of the scientist that you had to save:

edit: your pic seems to be working now.

This the pictuer you were talking bout? You can honestly look me in the face and tell me straight up that THAT looks better than the uncharted pics that were just posted? seriously... SERIOUSLY? Nathn's model looks SOOOO much more detailed than her's. Look at Nathan's shirt and then compair THAT with her shirt and "vest" (looks like a ripped piece of cloth or something). Look at the background in this pic, so blurred out and her hands, arm and face all have low textures. The "vest" is so out of proportion, random corners and curves, looks like someone just pasted that over her, lols. Seriously, you REALLY need to post some better pics to combat against Uncharted 2 cause with these pics, you ain't convincing anyone.

[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"][QUOTE="wootasifwoot"]

so then why does the dude's armor look just as detailed as the ground? both have low textures.

wootasifwoot

no, not warhead, didn't feel like wasting money, Crysis was pretty bad. But that's not the point, crysis and crysis warhead were reported to look identical anyway.

they dont. vanilla warhead is better than vanilla crysis

these threads are the definition of clutching at straws. that is a flattering screenshot of drakes face in the first pic, looks great. does that mean that overall it looks better than crysis, especially in game which is the only thing that really matters? no.

and then take into account with mods and a high end rig crysis can be scaled up to simply ridiculous levels.

You don't get it. Uncharted used the EXACT SAME models in cut scenes as it did in game. I expect Uncharted 2 to be the same.urdead18

How can someone be completely ignorant to the ancient game optimization technique known as LOD?

You honestly think when running around the game zoomed out they are using the same high resolution assets they use in cut-scenes? Poor resource management on their part if they are.

It's my opinion. I've got a GTX 275 in my PC, which probably outperforms your 8800GTs and I've probably beaten Crysis 3 times and I've fooled around with a crap load of mods (CCC, MP5, .50 Cal, modded nukes and physics, etc.) and I've also played both Uncharted 2 betas. Now, have you played the Uncharted 2 betas? The only way you can have an opinion on something is to use it, you can't just see pictures or think to yourself that it's a console game and it can't possibly look as good as Crysis.urdead18

I have common sense; and common sense tells me you cannot magically get better art assets out of a 2005 console than you can a 2009 PC.

Apparently it is telling you 256mb Vram is perfectly capable of holding 512mb or more information, seeing how you think U2 is running better art assets.

Character models - Yes. Environment - No. Just Cookigaki unbiased opinion.Cookigaki

[QUOTE="cowgriller"]

[QUOTE="transformer994"]The video is from the IGN review. skektek

it's also from a cutscene, not actual gameplay like the crysis pics that have been posted.

Cutscenes are rendered with the ingame engine and models.

hence the use of bink video. it's used in almost every game. it gives the developer the ability to make a cgi cutscene using the games engine and assets without it being taxing on the system. it also saves on disc space because true cgi video, those that are made from scratch and not from game assets, can be several hundred megabytes in size depending on the resolution, bit rate and length of time.

[QUOTE="urdead18"]You don't get it. Uncharted used the EXACT SAME models in cut scenes as it did in game. I expect Uncharted 2 to be the same.AnnoyedDragon

How can someone be completely ignorant to the ancient game optimization technique known as LOD?

You honestly think when running around the game zoomed out they are using the same high resolution assets they use in cut-scenes? Poor resource management on their part if they are.

It's my opinion. I've got a GTX 275 in my PC, which probably outperforms your 8800GTs and I've probably beaten Crysis 3 times and I've fooled around with a crap load of mods (CCC, MP5, .50 Cal, modded nukes and physics, etc.) and I've also played both Uncharted 2 betas. Now, have you played the Uncharted 2 betas? The only way you can have an opinion on something is to use it, you can't just see pictures or think to yourself that it's a console game and it can't possibly look as good as Crysis.urdead18

I have common sense; and common sense tells me you cannot magically get better art assets out of a 2005 console than you can a 2009 PC.

Apparently it is telling you 256mb Vram is perfectly capable of holding 512mb or more information, seeing how you think U2 is running better art assets.