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[QUOTE="redbaron3"]as seen in this thread there are FAR to many ignorant people who cant except the fact that when it comes down to it Germans were human beings swept up in an evil mans plot (many German citizens and soldiers didn't know of death camps) KeltoidOh ok, so that's what the world thinks of when they hear Nazi right? The harmless, innocent, decent German soldiers who were just brain washed? Of course not, and that's not what the TC was thinking either. well you dont have to play as the SS now do you? anyone who actually paid attention in High School history should have the brain power to understand that not every member of the German military was a nazi
Judging by some of the responses in this thread, I would argue there are *thousands* of stories worth telling from the German perspective.Why would you wan't to play from the Nazi's side? There are no stories worth telling from a Nazi perspective that would translate well into a video game. It is as simple as that.
gamer620
No one is crying, I dont understand why you would even WANT to.[QUOTE="Keltoid"][QUOTE="Sonic_on_crack"] because I got sick of hearing these kids cry. Sonic_on_crack
because the WW2 Germans faught hard and tirelessly, they were some of the best soldiers in the history in any War. I think the better question is why would you not want to .
Fought hard and tirelessly. Lmao. It's a war. You think ANY soldier in ANY army is sitting back throwing down potato chips while their buddy beside them gets blown to bits? No, every soldier fights hard and tirelessly. Playing as a Nazi would not enhance gameplay at all. Let me ask you... why would you want to? I'm just asking, seriously.Most German Soldiers were not Nazis.Why would you wan't to play from the Nazi's side? There are no stories worth telling from a Nazi perspective that would translate well into a video game. It is as simple as that.
gamer620
[QUOTE="Keltoid"][QUOTE="redbaron3"]as seen in this thread there are FAR to many ignorant people who cant except the fact that when it comes down to it Germans were human beings swept up in an evil mans plot (many German citizens and soldiers didn't know of death camps) redbaron3Oh ok, so that's what the world thinks of when they hear Nazi right? The harmless, innocent, decent German soldiers who were just brain washed? Of course not, and that's not what the TC was thinking either. well you dont have to play as the SS now do you? anyone who actually paid attention in High School history should have the brain power to understand that not every member of the German military was a nazi "Not every member of the German military was a Nazi" ...exactly, but the TC said Nazis and not German soldiers. And even if you played as a German soldier, you're still fighting alongside Nazis and for a Nazi president.
No one is crying, I dont understand why you would even WANT to.Keltoid
because the WW2 Germans faught hard and tirelessly, they were some of the best soldiers in the history in any War. I think the better question is why would you not want to .
Fought hard and tirelessly. Lmao. It's a war. You think ANY soldier in ANY army is sitting back throwing down potato chips while their buddy beside them gets blown to bits? No, every soldier fights hard and tirelessly. Playing as a Nazi would not enhance gameplay at all. Let me ask you... why would you want to? I'm just asking, seriously. I guess we just want a fresh change and want to feel how the germans felt[QUOTE="Keltoid"]Well, maybe the fact that Nazis ran holocaust camps and killed 6,000,000 civilian Jews. Gee, I cant figure out why you cant play as a Nazi. :roll:Banjo_KongfooieExactly the japanese didnt do that though they the good guys like us BAD GERMANS the Japanese were very brutal to other countries http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre
different prospectives = more fun ?Sonic_on_crackNot many people would find playing as one of the biggest genocidal groups on history "more fun". And very few devs would want to make a game like that.
[QUOTE="gamer620"]Most German Soldiers were not Nazis. Yet you specifically said "Nazi" in your original post. Dont hide behind Redbaron3's argument. :roll:Why would you wan't to play from the Nazi's side? There are no stories worth telling from a Nazi perspective that would translate well into a video game. It is as simple as that.
Sonic_on_crack
Why would you wan't to play from the Nazi's side? There are no stories worth telling from a Nazi perspective that would translate well into a video game. It is as simple as that.
gamer620
Max Schmeling
yes Germany has no stories that would translate into a game
[QUOTE="Sonic_on_crack"][QUOTE="Keltoid"]No one is crying, I dont understand why you would even WANT to.Keltoid
because the WW2 Germans faught hard and tirelessly, they were some of the best soldiers in the history in any War. I think the better question is why would you not want to .
Fought hard and tirelessly. Lmao. It's a war. You think ANY soldier in ANY army is sitting back throwing down potato chips while their buddy beside them gets blown to bits? No, every soldier fights hard and tirelessly. Playing as a Nazi would not enhance gameplay at all. Let me ask you... why would you want to? I'm just asking, seriously. Get real man I'm not trying to Glorify them but you have to atleast aww at the might of the German Army, it took the U.S, USSR, U.K, and France to take them down. And no army since in the last century basically divide and conquered like they did before the U.S entered the war. I would want to play as a German soldier if nothing else to see their perspective on the war[QUOTE="Keltoid"][QUOTE="Sonic_on_crack"]Fought hard and tirelessly. Lmao. It's a war. You think ANY soldier in ANY army is sitting back throwing down potato chips while their buddy beside them gets blown to bits? No, every soldier fights hard and tirelessly. Playing as a Nazi would not enhance gameplay at all. Let me ask you... why would you want to? I'm just asking, seriously. I guess we just want a fresh change and want to feel how the germans felt What do you mean? Like... the feeling of being in the middle of a war? Oh right, because somehow replacing the soldier in COD World at War with a Nazi would somehow enhance the gameplay and make things "fresh". Shooting WW2 weapons, in a WW2 setting... at a different uniform. Yeah, that really freshen up the gameplay.because the WW2 Germans faught hard and tirelessly, they were some of the best soldiers in the history in any War. I think the better question is why would you not want to .
irish4eva
Its simply bad taste. Its not good for devs to go out of there way to make a game allowing you to play as one of the most controversial and well disrespected groups of people ever. Its not a subject devs want to screw with and for good reason. Its not even something most people (regardless of origin) want to talk about, let alone playalong sidein a game.
I never did in the first place :? Sonic_on_crackSo when you said...
[QUOTE="gamer620"]Most German Soldiers were not Nazis. You were just making a statement? Or trying to spin what you said?Why would you wan't to play from the Nazi's side? There are no stories worth telling from a Nazi perspective that would translate well into a video game. It is as simple as that.
Sonic_on_crack
yes but if I knew you crybabies were going to cry about the Holocaust all day and night I wouldnt have. Sonic_on_crack
Crybabies...? Don't you have any shame man? Don't try and gloss over one of the biggest atrocities in human history as it were nothing. The fact is that when most people think of the Nazi's then they think of this:
Rather than this:
I guess we just want a fresh change and want to feel how the germans felt What do you mean? Like... the feeling of being in the middle of a war? Oh right, because somehow replacing the soldier in COD World at War with a Nazi would somehow enhance the gameplay and make things "fresh". Shooting WW2 weapons, in a WW2 setting... at a different uniform. Yeah, that really freshen up the gameplay. All it needs is a bloody good story >.< And yes different missions,different sides,slightly different weapons all make it at least a bit more fresh then medal of honourKeltoid
[QUOTE="Sonic_on_crack"]different prospectives = more fun ?IronBassNot many people would find playing as one of the biggest genocidal groups on history "more fun". And very few devs would want to make a game like that. Arent there lots of gamers where you play as European Pirates ? Guess they werent genocidal at all huh :roll:
Arent there lots of gamers where you play as European Pirates ? Guess they werent genocidal at all huh :roll:Sonic_on_crackPlease stop. You are talking about things you obviously have no idea of. Things far too delicate to be discussed on a gaming forum, even if you knew. Please, stop.
I guess we just want a fresh change and want to feel how the germans felt What do you mean? Like... the feeling of being in the middle of a war? Oh right, because somehow replacing the soldier in COD World at War with a Nazi would somehow enhance the gameplay and make things "fresh". Shooting WW2 weapons, in a WW2 setting... at a different uniform. Yeah, that really freshen up the gameplay. well it could give many a change of scenery sense there were plenty of Axis victories that would play out MUCH differently than any of the WW2 battles we have already played, The Invasion of Crete for instance, you play as a German Falchimjager (paratroop) parachuted all spread out over an island with only an MP40, the british are armed with rifles and have the upper hand with range and accuracy and you need to avoid sniper fire while parachuting in as you search for a rifle so that you can combat the British forces (the K98 was to big to carry onto the paratroop planes and had to be dropped in big pods for soldiers to find later) and over the course of days beating back the British as you await the German army reinforcements that are inbound to relive you from fighting, and then be morally crushed when all of the relieving forces troop carriers are sunk miles out at sea by British destroyers.[QUOTE="irish4eva"][QUOTE="Keltoid"] Fought hard and tirelessly. Lmao. It's a war. You think ANY soldier in ANY army is sitting back throwing down potato chips while their buddy beside them gets blown to bits? No, every soldier fights hard and tirelessly. Playing as a Nazi would not enhance gameplay at all. Let me ask you... why would you want to? I'm just asking, seriously.Keltoid
I'm not down playing the Holocaust , infact I didnt even mention it until about 5 other people did. known of which I would assume were there, or alive when it happened. Sonic_on_crackI assume when you said, "known" you meant "none". There are still survivors of the holocaust walking around today, and children of survivors, and grandchildren of survivors. And how dare we have any sort of compassion and respect of those 6,000,000 innocent who lost their lives despite us not being there! Gasp! :o
[QUOTE="Sonic_on_crack"] Arent there lots of gamers where you play as European Pirates ? Guess they werent genocidal at all huh :roll:IronBassPlease stop. You are talking about things you obviously have no idea of. Things far too delicate to be discussed on a gaming forum, even if you knew. Please, stop. If you gave a decent response to my original answer other than the typical "because they are bad" answer we would'nt have gotten to this point to begin with.
[QUOTE="Sonic_on_crack"]I'm not down playing the Holocaust , infact I didnt even mention it until about 5 other people did. known of which I would assume were there, or alive when it happened. KeltoidI assume when you said, "known" you meant "none". There are still survivors of the holocaust walking around today, and children of survivors, and grandchildren of survivors. And how dare we have any sort of compassion and respect of those 6,000,000 innocent who lost their lives despite us not being there! Gasp! :O So you dont want to play as Germans or Nazi's out of compassion for people affected by Holocaust ? Ok ... so why didnt you just say that 5 pages ago ?
So you dont want to play as Germans or Nazi's out of compassion for people affected by Holocaust ? Ok ... so why didnt you just say that 5 pages ago ?Sonic_on_crackYou didnt catch the sarcasm of my very first post in this thread???
Well, maybe the fact that Nazis ran holocaust camps and killed 6,000,000 civilian Jews. Gee, I cant figure out why you cant play as a Nazi. :roll:Keltoid
This thread is veering into a discussion that isn't appropriate for a gaming forum especially when we have people lacking the sense to know what and what is not appropriate to say especially since this is an internatonal board. I'm bailing out of here before things get worse and I hope others will too.
never played return to castle wolfenstein?Their the entire reason the war started yet in all the WW2 games I remember you play as soldiers from
1.The United States of America (crowd cheers)
2.The United Kingdom (ehh there ok)
Is is because developers think it wouldnt be fun playing as the losing side of the war or something ?
Sonic_on_crack
mainly because SW users cant stay on topic and focus on the point at hand.This thread is veering into a discussion that isn't appropriate for a gaming forum especially when we have people lacking the sense to know what and what is not appropriate to say especially since this is an internatonal board. I'm bailing out of here before things get worse and I hope others will too.
ActicEdge
[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]mainly because SW users cant stay on topic and focus on the point at hand. Most every post I've seen has been on topic and referring to why you CANT and why people WOULDNT want to play as Nazi. Give it up.This thread is veering into a discussion that isn't appropriate for a gaming forum especially when we have people lacking the sense to know what and what is not appropriate to say especially since this is an internatonal board. I'm bailing out of here before things get worse and I hope others will too.
Sonic_on_crack
[QUOTE="Keltoid"]Well, maybe the fact that Nazis ran holocaust camps and killed 6,000,000 civilian Jews. Gee, I cant figure out why you cant play as a Nazi. :roll:Banjo_KongfooieExactly the japanese didnt do that though they the good guys like us BAD GERMANSThe Japanese had their own ethnic cleansing campaign against the chinese.
[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]mainly because SW users cant stay on topic and focus on the point at hand.This thread is veering into a discussion that isn't appropriate for a gaming forum especially when we have people lacking the sense to know what and what is not appropriate to say especially since this is an internatonal board. I'm bailing out of here before things get worse and I hope others will too.
Sonic_on_crack
You have already been answered around 100 times. It is a a subject far too delicate for a video game. /thread.
If you want to know why it is that delicate go to the Off-Topic forum or AskYahoo or Wikipedia or whereever you want just not here in System Wars.
that is a very true statement, and the only way to get rid of that stereotype would quite possibly be a game where you the player are swept u in hatred at the beggining of the war, fight as a new recruit the the blitz, become a veteran of the west/east front, have your experience beat by superior allied numbers, forced into a surrender at the turn of the war, and end the game in one of the many POW camps where German soldiers were forced to watch movies about the holocaust they unknowingly defended. it CAN be done tastefully in the right hands especially if it is NOT made into an arcade shooterI can see how that might work, especially if the developer takes great care not to glorify anything. Still, the stigma is strong enough to prevent people from buying any such game and prevent developers from trying it. There's a very thin line to tread when covering this sort of thing and I can't think of a single developer who I think could pull it off tastefully.redbaron3
There would be a lot of controversy if that happened, which is a shame. It would be interesting to play on the side of what most people would consider the enemy. We don't see that many games where you play as a Taliban or anything like that. Also I wouldn't blatantly say that the entire War was of the result of the Germans.
[QUOTE="gamer620"]Judging by some of the responses in this thread, I would argue there are *thousands* of stories worth telling from the German perspective.Why would you wan't to play from the Nazi's side? There are no stories worth telling from a Nazi perspective that would translate well into a video game. It is as simple as that.
PBSnipes
german=/=nazi
It's because of this. The world has never seen such horrors before or after. I would argue that Japanese treatment of prisoners was worse. But that's the problem. This whole scenario deals with interpretation and belief and many people wouldn't go along with a game where you play as a Nazi. There would be plenty of people offended and I don't think developers or publishers would take that risk.[QUOTE="Rockman999"]I always wondered that too but people act like Hitler was the first person to ever commit genocide and forget that jews have been massacred many times in history.Bigboi500
the more i think about it, the more i think it could make a great game if it was done correctly.
like, if it had different paths based on your moral actions. one could lead to you advancing through the ranks to be hitler's right hand man, another could have you learn of the genocide, then you decide to help the enemy instead. then a few inbetween paths
Judging by some of the responses in this thread, I would argue there are *thousands* of stories worth telling from the German perspective.[QUOTE="PBSnipes"][QUOTE="gamer620"]
Why would you wan't to play from the Nazi's side? There are no stories worth telling from a Nazi perspective that would translate well into a video game. It is as simple as that.
Heydanbud92
german=/=nazi
And thats the problem everyone focused on the Nazi part and totally ignored the German soldier part.Please Log In to post.
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