Why cant you play as Germans in WW2 shooters ?

[QUOTE="Shafftehr"]

Funny thing is, most of you don't really care if you play as the Russians in WWII. Civ IV put Stalin in as a playable character and almost no-one cares, even though he killed significantly more people - but Hitler "Oh, he's so evil, do you know what he did?" I swear most of the dopes who go on like that don't even understand that there were worse things going on at the time outside of Germany, and worse things have happened since without nearly the press. It's all a matter of air time, and what you've been trained to think is evil, and what evils you haven't been taught to care about...

What it all boils down to is that's it's perfectly OK to slaughter German regular army that weren't part of the whole thing, but killing an American? *Gasp* Not like that nation endorses the torture of untried people to this day, regularly endorsed civilian bombings long after WWII was over, and is the only nation to ever use an atomic WMD on a populated area - and did so twice. Gotta play the "good" guys after all... I'm not sure what's worse in this thread - the hypocrisy or the utter ignorance.

gmc2u_64

hes making a point, and a good one. War doesnt decide who is right , only who is left. there are no "good guys" in war.

[QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

[QUOTE="AntiType"]

Some people here are giving unbiased replies. Your post serves only to be anti-american.

lettuceman44

Anti -American in response to the Anti-German, evens it out. He makes fine, fine points though. Unlike most others here.

I don't see any bias in his post, it's all true, and factual. The Western World (Well, America) Will not be interested in a game in which you play againts them. Especially based on a WW.

Well all know America didn't have to throw it's nuclear might at Japan, Especially not twice. That was just a bullying tactic, to show the world that America is THE superpower.

Nothing wrong with liking, and not wanting to oppose your country, I like the UK.

I do however know it's a country with a terrible history, worse then most of the "evil" countrys, I wouldnt mind fighting againts it, now and then.

Stop trying to act like America is a saint. They've done some horrible things in times of war too, just like the Nazis.

Well, some of his points I take as ignorance (particularly the abomb comments). I agree with you about the last statement, the not interested part. There is nothing wrong with that though....heck I don't expect people from other countries to want to be American, and I don't want to be an US enemy.... is it wrong that I like my country?lettuceman44

Stop trying to act like America is a saint. They've done some horrible things in times of war too, just like the Nazis.

SpinoRaptor24

[QUOTE="lettuceman44"]

[QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

Anti -American in response to the Anti-German, evens it out. He makes fine, fine points though. Unlike most others here.

I don't see any bias in his post, it's all true, and factual. The Western World (Well, America) Will not be interested in a game in which you play againts them. Especially based on a WW.

-Snooze-

[QUOTE="AntiType"]

[QUOTE="Shafftehr"]

Funny thing is, most of you don't really care if you play as the Russians in WWII. Civ IV put Stalin in as a playable character and almost no-one cares, even though he killed significantly more people - but Hitler "Oh, he's so evil, do you know what he did?" I swear most of the dopes who go on like that don't even understand that there were worse things going on at the time outside of Germany, and worse things have happened since without nearly the press. It's all a matter of air time, and what you've been trained to think is evil, and what evils you haven't been taught to care about...

What it all boils down to is that's it's perfectly OK to slaughter German regular army that weren't part of the whole thing, but killing an American? *Gasp* Not like that nation endorses the torture of untried people to this day, regularly endorsed civilian bombings long after WWII was over, and is the only nation to ever use an atomic WMD on a populated area - and did so twice. Gotta play the "good" guys after all... I'm not sure what's worse in this thread - the hypocrisy or the utter ignorance.

Shafftehr

Some people here are giving unbiased replies. Your post serves only to be anti-american.

I said your statement was simply said ONLY to be anti-american. Please notice that we are talking about a ww2 game from the German perspective. You had no input on that at all. You just came in here and listed all the naughty things America has done and how it's is never covered. WE KNOW. But it's off topic.

[QUOTE="SpinoRaptor24"]

Stop trying to act like America is a saint. They've done some horrible things in times of war too, just like the Nazis.

-Snooze-

[QUOTE="-Snooze-"][QUOTE="lettuceman44"]Well, some of his points I take as ignorance (particularly the abomb comments). I agree with you about the last statement, the not interested part. There is nothing wrong with that though....heck I don't expect people from other countries to want to be American, and I don't want to be an US enemy.... is it wrong that I like my country?

Sonic_on_crack

Exactly my point. A bully tactic. Defending it with "bu bu but the american people" is a terrible excuse. Especially since you're now being picked apart by a couple of dudes stealing planes. WW2 shown us many evils, and Americas was possibly the worst.

[QUOTE="-Snooze-"][QUOTE="SpinoRaptor24"]

Stop trying to act like America is a saint. They've done some horrible things in times of war too, just like the Nazis.

Shafftehr

[QUOTE="lettuceman44"]

Anti -American in response to the Anti-German, evens it out. He makes fine, fine points though. Unlike most others here.

I don't see any bias in his post, it's all true, and factual. The Western World (Well, America) Will not be interested in a game in which you play againts them. Especially based on a WW.

Shafftehr

Well all know America didn't have to throw it's nuclear might at Japan, Especially not twice. That was just a bullying tactic, to show the world that America is THE superpower.

Nothing wrong with liking, and not wanting to oppose your country, I like the UK.

I do however know it's a country with a terrible history, worse then most of the "evil" countrys, I wouldnt mind fighting againts it, now and then.

I said your statement was simply said ONLY to be anti-american. Please notice that we are talking about a ww2 game from the German perspective. You had no input on that at all. You just came in here and listed all the naughty things America has done and how it's is never covered. WE KNOW. But it's off topic.

AntiType

[QUOTE="Shafftehr"]

[QUOTE="AntiType"]

Some people here are giving unbiased replies. Your post serves only to be anti-american.

AntiType

I said your statement was simply said ONLY to be anti-american. Please notice that we are talking about a ww2 game from the German perspective. You had no input on that at all. You just came in here and listed all the naughty things America has done and how it's is never covered. WE KNOW. But it's off topic.

He's making valid points. America has done some pretty terrible things too in times of war, yet nobody minds playing as them in videogames.

But when the thought of playing as Germany arises everyone goes "Oh no not the Germans they are bad people"

[QUOTE="lettuceman44"]Well, some of his points I take as ignorance (particularly the abomb comments). I agree with you about the last statement, the not interested part. There is nothing wrong with that though....heck I don't expect people from other countries to want to be American, and I don't want to be an US enemy.... is it wrong that I like my country?Shafftehr

[QUOTE="Shafftehr"][QUOTE="lettuceman44"]Well, some of his points I take as ignorance (particularly the abomb comments). I agree with you about the last statement, the not interested part. There is nothing wrong with that though....heck I don't expect people from other countries to want to be American, and I don't want to be an US enemy.... is it wrong that I like my country?

lettuceman44

Well all know America didn't have to throw it's nuclear might at Japan, Especially not twice. That was just a bullying tactic, to show the world that America is THE superpower.

Nothing wrong with liking, and not wanting to oppose your country, I like the UK.

I do however know it's a country with a terrible history, worse then most of the "evil" countrys, I wouldnt mind fighting againts it, now and then.

[QUOTE="Sonic_on_crack"][QUOTE="-Snooze-"] Well all know America didn't have to throw it's nuclear might at Japan, Especially not twice. That was just a bullying tactic, to show the world that America is THE superpower.-Snooze-

Exactly my point. A bully tactic. Defending it with "bu bu but the american people" is a terrible excuse. Especially since you're now being picked apart by a couple of dudes stealing planes. WW2 shown us many evils, and Americas was possibly the worst.

[QUOTE="Sonic_on_crack"] With all due respect , America made an example out of Japan to show any nation that would be stupid enough to attack their home soil what lies in wait for them. Was is brutal and vicious , yes but effective none the less . Shafftehr

I can't tell if your Anti-American, pacifist, or both.

[QUOTE="AntiType"]I said your statement was simply said ONLY to be anti-american. Please notice that we are talking about a ww2 game from the German perspective. You had no input on that at all. You just came in here and listed all the naughty things America has done and how it's is never covered. WE KNOW. But it's off topic.

Shafftehr

I don't think either is OK! Yes, so much german bashing in this thread. You happen to take the opposite... still, you took a side. Why are you fueling this bashing party? Look at my comments, All army's have their atrocities and playing as any soldier from any war should be fair game. I said your post was meant to take on the anti-american side.... which it clearly is... In other words... you are no better then those you are arguing with. You are responding to the german bashing party by starting an american bashing party.

This thread has really gone into off-topic territory and turned into an anti-America thread fast. Lock it up.

Bigboi500

they should... would freshen up the genre!

[QUOTE="Shafftehr"][QUOTE="Sonic_on_crack"] With all due respect , America made an example out of Japan to show any nation that would be stupid enough to attack their home soil what lies in wait for them. Was is brutal and vicious , yes but effective none the less . lettuceman44

I can't tell if your Anti-American, pacifist, or both.

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

This thread has really gone into off-topic territory and turned into an anti-America thread fast. Lock it up.

-Snooze-

There are some Anti American evil nut jobs in this thread. I can't believe how sickening and evil/brainwashed some people are. Pathetic animals.FantasySports02

Can you please explain to me how they are being "Anti-American"? They're just stating the truth of what America has done in times of war.

HAH! Oh this is wonderful. Since I've made that post I've been dubbed anti-American over 8 times, but not one person has told me that anything I listed was untrue - and two of the major points I made people haven't even touched with a 10 foot pole. They just come in, proclaim I'm anti-American, and say the thread should be locked. Maybe I should have posted some negative facts about the Germans instead, which is OK, rather than posting any negative (IE - "anti-American") facts about the US.Shafftehr

[QUOTE="-Snooze-"][QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

This thread has really gone into off-topic territory and turned into an anti-America thread fast. Lock it up.

lettuceman44

[QUOTE="lettuceman44"][QUOTE="-Snooze-"] Nothing Anit-America here. Although it was fine to be an anti-German thread a couple pages back :p Ok, joking aside, were just trying to bring light that America were no better then the Germans, Japanese or British in WW2.Shafftehr

About your last statement, I posted something, but it got messed up.

Originally, I was only going to touch upon the things I thought were most important, as your post angered me, and I did, I didn't want to make a full scale debase as is system wars. Since then, I've just been dragging my arguments on forgetting about the earlier posts, and focusin only what was infront of me. Didn't even think about it until you said anything else. So, no I didn't argue your other points, and I don't really see any reason too as they are all subjective(at least more so then what I talked about).

I'm gonna quit now, as this isn't even on topic, this isn't going anywhere, and well, it doesn't even matter.

I only have to say that, you are just looking at it from one perspective and that is all. You do not seem to balance out the different scenarios. What would you have done instead of dropping the a bombs? Hmm?

I think you need to do research, as you don't seem to be doing fair analysis and reasoning. Again, you are looking at it through your own eyes and ideas only, disregarding the actual situation at hand.

If you take time to study history, then you will be able to look at things from different viewpoints, and give a more reasonable answer to it.

I have already given you the a bomb vs american casualties argument, which you give as an invalid reason...however you need to look at it from there perspective from there situation...

and with that I depart.

Due to the outrage it would case. Even though all most all the troops were just fallowing orders, its still one of the darkest times in man kinds history. Holocaust victims or the family's of Holocaust victims would make sure this game would never see the light of day.

HAH! Oh this is wonderful. Since I've made that post I've been dubbed anti-American over 8 times, but not one person has told me that anything I listed was untrue - and two of the major points I made people haven't even touched with a 10 foot pole. They just come in, proclaim I'm anti-American, and say the thread should be locked. Maybe I should have posted some negative facts about the Germans instead, which is OK, rather than posting any negative (IE - "anti-American") facts about the US.Shafftehr

Funny thing is, most of you don't really care if you play as the Russians in WWII. Civ IV put Stalin in as a playable character and almost no-one cares, even though he killed significantly more people - but Hitler "Oh, he's so evil, do you know what he did?" I swear most of the dopes who go on like that don't even understand that there were worse things going on at the time outside of Germany, and worse things have happened since without nearly the press. It's all a matter of air time, and what you've been trained to think is evil, and what evils you haven't been taught to care about...

What it all boils down to is that's it's perfectly OK to slaughter German regular army that weren't part of the whole thing, but killing an American? *Gasp* Not like that nation endorses the torture of untried people to this day, regularly endorsed civilian bombings long after WWII was over, and is the only nation to ever use an atomic WMD on a populated area - and did so twice. Gotta play the "good" guys after all... I'm not sure what's worse in this thread - the hypocrisy or the utter ignorance.

Shafftehr

Think for a second about what the Nazis actually did during WWII and then you'll have your answer. Silent-Hal

Because a lot of people would consider inappropriate for a game to let you play with one of the biggest genocidial groups in history. It's actually not very difficult to understand.IronBass

I wish I didn't have work today so I would have posted in this thread sooner :( There is too much hypocracy and "patriotism :roll:" in this thread.

[QUOTE="Shafftehr"]

Funny thing is, most of you don't really care if you play as the Russians in WWII. Civ IV put Stalin in as a playable character and almost no-one cares, even though he killed significantly more people - but Hitler "Oh, he's so evil, do you know what he did?" I swear most of the dopes who go on like that don't even understand that there were worse things going on at the time outside of Germany, and worse things have happened since without nearly the press. It's all a matter of air time, and what you've been trained to think is evil, and what evils you haven't been taught to care about...

What it all boils down to is that's it's perfectly OK to slaughter German regular army that weren't part of the whole thing, but killing an American? *Gasp* Not like that nation endorses the torture of untried people to this day, regularly endorsed civilian bombings long after WWII was over, and is the only nation to ever use an atomic WMD on a populated area - and did so twice. Gotta play the "good" guys after all... I'm not sure what's worse in this thread - the hypocrisy or the utter ignorance.

kage_53

Smart post. We focus way too much on Hitlers crime, While they were terrible, there have been far worse done, before, during, and after Hitler

[QUOTE="Shafftehr"]HAH! Oh this is wonderful. Since I've made that post I've been dubbed anti-American over 8 times, but not one person has told me that anything I listed was untrue - and two of the major points I made people haven't even touched with a 10 foot pole. They just come in, proclaim I'm anti-American, and say the thread should be locked. Maybe I should have posted some negative facts about the Germans instead, which is OK, rather than posting any negative (IE - "anti-American") facts about the US.2beers_in_hand

[QUOTE="Shafftehr"][QUOTE="lettuceman44"] Anti German? I would say anti nazi...and actually the Americans were better then everyone else for America, British were better then anyone else for the British and so on...lettuceman44

About your last statement, I posted something, but it got messed up.

Originally, I was only going to touch upon the things I thought were most important, as your post angered me, and I did, I didn't want to make a full scale debase as is system wars. Since then, I've just been dragging my arguments on forgetting about the earlier posts, and focusin only what was infront of me. Didn't even think about it until you said anything else. So, no I didn't argue your other points, and I don't really see any reason too as they are all subjective(at least more so then what I talked about).

I'm gonna quit now, as this isn't even on topic, this isn't going anywhere, and well, it doesn't even matter.

I only have to say that, you are just looking at it from one perspective and that is all. You do not seem to balance out the different scenarios. What would you have done instead of dropping the a bombs? Hmm?

I think you need to do research, as you don't seem to be doing fair analysis and reasoning. Again, you are looking at it through your own eyes and ideas only, disregarding the actual situation at hand.

If you take time to study history, then you will be able to look at things from different viewpoints, and give a more reasonable answer to it.

I have already given you the a bomb vs american casualties argument, which you give as an invalid reason...however you need to look at it from there perspective from there situation...

and with that I depart.

Back on topic - I'd actually LOVE to play a modern WW game, as lets say, the Russians Invading the UK. Just to see all the familiar places, and such. See if i can find my house :)

[QUOTE="lettuceman44"] Lol, no of course not. I don't see how you even got that from what I said.....? But why would Americans say they are worse then the others? Why would the British do the same? And the same with the Japanese and Germans?Shafftehr

Ask the others who have been making comments, because I'm done.

Look, if you want to debate, now is not the time and place.

Look, I don't like these type of arguments with people, as it tends to start personal attacks.

I hope we can call it quits, as this is getting no where and I sensed that it is starting to get out of hand. I hope we also do not have hard feelings, as I apologize, and I hope you accept it too!

On a more friendly note, Planescape is an amazing game.