Why COD reigns supreme over any other FPS...

[QUOTE="super600"]

[QUOTE="DangerousLiquid"]

The rivalry doesn't exist in the platforming genre. Period.

DangerousLiquid

Then what's up with all the reviews saying that SMG2 raised the platforming genre's standards to extreme heights.

Because they were extremely low before. When you say platforming, there is only Mario. Oh, and LBP.

The rivalry in the biggest genre of the world, FPS, is gigantic. CoD faces competition from every angle. BF, Crysis, KZ, BioShock, Resistance, FEAR, Halo, CS etc...

How about all those 2D and 3D platformers like DKCR,KEY,Sonic Colours, Sonic Generations, Rayman Origins,Super Meat Boy and more.

The amount of hyperbole in this thread is ridiculous.

[QUOTE="DangerousLiquid"]

[QUOTE="super600"]

Then what's up with all the reviews saying that SMG2 raised the platforming genre's standards to extreme heights.

super600

Because they were extremely low before. When you say platforming, there is only Mario. Oh, and LBP.

The rivalry in the biggest genre of the world, FPS, is gigantic. CoD faces competition from every angle. BF, Crysis, KZ, BioShock, Resistance, FEAR, Halo, CS etc...

How about all those 2D and 3D platformers like DKCR,KEY,Sonic Colours, Sonic Generations, Rayman Origins,Super Meat Boy and more.

Uh? They're nobodies.

[QUOTE="super600"]

[QUOTE="DangerousLiquid"]

Because they were extremely low before. When you say platforming, there is only Mario. Oh, and LBP.

The rivalry in the biggest genre of the world, FPS, is gigantic. CoD faces competition from every angle. BF, Crysis, KZ, BioShock, Resistance, FEAR, Halo, CS etc...

DangerousLiquid

How about all those 2D and 3D platformers like DKCR,KEY,Sonic Colours, Sonic Generations, Rayman Origins,Super Meat Boy and more.

Uh? They're nobodies.

SuperMeatBoy a nobody.

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/super-meat-boy/review.html?tag=summary%3Bread-review

[QUOTE="DangerousLiquid"]

[QUOTE="super600"]

How about all those 2D and 3D platformers like DKCR,KEY,Sonic Colours, Sonic Generations, Rayman Origins,Super Meat Boy and more.

super600

Uh? They're nobodies.

SuperMeatBoy a nobody.

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/super-meat-boy/review.html?tag=summary%3Bread-review

Wow, ONE platformer that scores 9.5! The genre is dying, it's like a desert. No standards. Easy to score high. EOD.

[QUOTE="super600"]

[QUOTE="DangerousLiquid"]

Because they were extremely low before. When you say platforming, there is only Mario. Oh, and LBP.

The rivalry in the biggest genre of the world, FPS, is gigantic. CoD faces competition from every angle. BF, Crysis, KZ, BioShock, Resistance, FEAR, Halo, CS etc...

DangerousLiquid

How about all those 2D and 3D platformers like DKCR,KEY,Sonic Colours, Sonic Generations, Rayman Origins,Super Meat Boy and more.

Uh? They're nobodies.

COD is to FPS as is Wii Sports to casuals buying a console. It's casual. It offers a linear campaign that is done in 5 hours or less no matter which COD you play. It's filled with cheap thrills (like a summer blockbuster) with it's set piece cinematic moments, and an above average multiplayer with a levelling up system and a couple perks thrown in.

It's by no means a bad game, but by no means is it the template all FPS should be. COD is the perfect example of taking a 7/10 and making it a 9/10 by good marketing and a severe lack of a current generation military shooter designed for the casual gamer.

Yes the "shooting genre" altogether is competitive, I will not disagree. But at the time Modern Warfare 1 came out, competition was relatively low (compared to now) and military shooters were less frequent. And here's a news flash, most shooting games are terrible. So despite competition, it's really just a lot of other mediocre shooters hoping to get big.

And to ignore the template Halo/Half-Life/Mario/Zelda/GTA3 etc., have laid out is to disregard the basic template each of these games have established that all current games are somehow based off of. You can't deny it.

COD important? Yeah sure. In how to market a game and really push a "core" title to a casual crowd by simplifying the experience for the single player but by giving some incentive for the hardcore to shine in the multiplayer.

But you're delusional to think that is the most important game to come out of this generation. Wii Sports will forever hold that crown, and if you don't believe it explain the reason for the development of the PS Move and MS Kinect. Also 90 million Wii's.

[QUOTE="DangerousLiquid"]

[QUOTE="super600"]

How about all those 2D and 3D platformers like DKCR,KEY,Sonic Colours, Sonic Generations, Rayman Origins,Super Meat Boy and more.

sonic_spark

Uh? They're nobodies.

COD is to FPS as is Wii Sports to casuals buying a console. It's casual. It offers a linear campaign that is done in 5 hours or less no matter which COD you play. It's filled with cheap thrills (like a summer blockbuster) with it's set piece cinematic moments, and an above average multiplayer with a levelling up system and a couple perks thrown in.

It's by no means a bad game, but by no means is it the template all FPS should be. COD is the perfect example of taking a 7/10 and making it a 9/10 by good marketing and a severe lack of a current generation military shooter designed for the casual gamer.

Yes the "shooting genre" altogether is competitive, I will not disagree. But at the time Modern Warfare 1 came out, competition was relatively low (compared to now) and military shooters were less frequent. And here's a news flash, most shooting games are terrible. So despite competition, it's really just a lot of other mediocre shooters hoping to get big.

And to ignore the template Halo/Half-Life/Mario/Zelda/GTA3 etc., have laid out is to disregard the basic template each of these games have established that all current games are somehow based off of. You can't deny it.

COD important? Yeah sure. In how to market a game and really push a "core" title to a casual crowd by simplifying the experience for the single player but by giving some incentive for the hardcore to shine in the multiplayer.

But you're delusional to think that is the most important game to come out of this generation. Wii Sports will forever hold that crown, and if you don't believe it explain the reason for the development of the PS Move and MS Kinect. Also 90 million Wii's.

Is Call of Duty as casual as Wii Sports? Maybe that's why there is CALL OF DUTY XP? Where is Wii Sports XP? Stop embarrassing yourself.

And Wii Sports sells, because it's bundled, people play it for 2 weeks and never touch it again.

Black Ops sells, and continues to be the most played game in the world until the next game arrives.

That is the difference between a truthfully successful game, and a successful game. Don't think anything different.

Call of Duty 4 changed everyone's thought on making a FPS. It is the reason COD is the biggest and most powerful trademark in the gaming industry these days. And with Modern Warfare 3 breaking all pre-order records, it will not change anytime soon. Face it, or quit gaming for good.

[QUOTE="super600"]

[QUOTE="DangerousLiquid"]

Uh? They're nobodies.

DangerousLiquid

SuperMeatBoy a nobody.

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/super-meat-boy/review.html?tag=summary%3Bread-review

Wow, ONE platformer that scores 9.5! The genre is dying, it's like a desert. No standards. Easy to score high. EOD.

All those platformers in that list besids the one's that still have to release ended up having critcal scores from 75% to 90%.

[QUOTE="sonic_spark"]

[QUOTE="DangerousLiquid"]

Uh? They're nobodies.

DangerousLiquid

COD is to FPS as is Wii Sports to casuals buying a console. It's casual. It offers a linear campaign that is done in 5 hours or less no matter which COD you play. It's filled with cheap thrills (like a summer blockbuster) with it's set piece cinematic moments, and an above average multiplayer with a levelling up system and a couple perks thrown in.

It's by no means a bad game, but by no means is it the template all FPS should be. COD is the perfect example of taking a 7/10 and making it a 9/10 by good marketing and a severe lack of a current generation military shooter designed for the casual gamer.

Yes the "shooting genre" altogether is competitive, I will not disagree. But at the time Modern Warfare 1 came out, competition was relatively low (compared to now) and military shooters were less frequent. And here's a news flash, most shooting games are terrible. So despite competition, it's really just a lot of other mediocre shooters hoping to get big.

And to ignore the template Halo/Half-Life/Mario/Zelda/GTA3 etc., have laid out is to disregard the basic template each of these games have established that all current games are somehow based off of. You can't deny it.

COD important? Yeah sure. In how to market a game and really push a "core" title to a casual crowd by simplifying the experience for the single player but by giving some incentive for the hardcore to shine in the multiplayer.

But you're delusional to think that is the most important game to come out of this generation. Wii Sports will forever hold that crown, and if you don't believe it explain the reason for the development of the PS Move and MS Kinect. Also 90 million Wii's.

Is Call of Duty as casual as Wii Sports? Maybe that's why there is CALL OF DUTY XP? Where is Wii Sports XP? Stop embarrassing yourself.

And Wii Sports sells, because it's bundled, people play it for 2 weeks and never touch it again.

Black Ops sells, and continues to be the most played game in the world until the next game arrives.

That is the difference between a truthfully successful game, and a successful game. Don't think anything different.

Call of Duty 4 changed everyone's thought on making a FPS. It is the reason COD is the biggest and most powerful trademark in the gaming industry these days. And with Modern Warfare 3 breaking all pre-order records, it will not change anytime soon. Face it, or quit gaming for good.

Then what's up with the online numbers in BO decreasing dratiscally since it's release.

[QUOTE="DangerousLiquid"]

[QUOTE="sonic_spark"]

COD is to FPS as is Wii Sports to casuals buying a console. It's casual. It offers a linear campaign that is done in 5 hours or less no matter which COD you play. It's filled with cheap thrills (like a summer blockbuster) with it's set piece cinematic moments, and an above average multiplayer with a levelling up system and a couple perks thrown in.

It's by no means a bad game, but by no means is it the template all FPS should be. COD is the perfect example of taking a 7/10 and making it a 9/10 by good marketing and a severe lack of a current generation military shooter designed for the casual gamer.

Yes the "shooting genre" altogether is competitive, I will not disagree. But at the time Modern Warfare 1 came out, competition was relatively low (compared to now) and military shooters were less frequent. And here's a news flash, most shooting games are terrible. So despite competition, it's really just a lot of other mediocre shooters hoping to get big.

And to ignore the template Halo/Half-Life/Mario/Zelda/GTA3 etc., have laid out is to disregard the basic template each of these games have established that all current games are somehow based off of. You can't deny it.

COD important? Yeah sure. In how to market a game and really push a "core" title to a casual crowd by simplifying the experience for the single player but by giving some incentive for the hardcore to shine in the multiplayer.

But you're delusional to think that is the most important game to come out of this generation. Wii Sports will forever hold that crown, and if you don't believe it explain the reason for the development of the PS Move and MS Kinect. Also 90 million Wii's.

super600

Is Call of Duty as casual as Wii Sports? Maybe that's why there is CALL OF DUTY XP? Where is Wii Sports XP? Stop embarrassing yourself.

And Wii Sports sells, because it's bundled, people play it for 2 weeks and never touch it again.

Black Ops sells, and continues to be the most played game in the world until the next game arrives.

That is the difference between a truthfully successful game, and a successful game. Don't think anything different.

Call of Duty 4 changed everyone's thought on making a FPS. It is the reason COD is the biggest and most powerful trademark in the gaming industry these days. And with Modern Warfare 3 breaking all pre-order records, it will not change anytime soon. Face it, or quit gaming for good.

Then what's up with the online numbers in BO decreasing dratiscally since it's release.

Still way more played than any FPS in the world. You can't spin facts, friends. Just accept that COD is superior to everything else.

[QUOTE="super600"]

[QUOTE="DangerousLiquid"]

Is Call of Duty as casual as Wii Sports? Maybe that's why there is CALL OF DUTY XP? Where is Wii Sports XP? Stop embarrassing yourself.

And Wii Sports sells, because it's bundled, people play it for 2 weeks and never touch it again.

Black Ops sells, and continues to be the most played game in the world until the next game arrives.

That is the difference between a truthfully successful game, and a successful game. Don't think anything different.

Call of Duty 4 changed everyone's thought on making a FPS. It is the reason COD is the biggest and most powerful trademark in the gaming industry these days. And with Modern Warfare 3 breaking all pre-order records, it will not change anytime soon. Face it, or quit gaming for good.

DangerousLiquid

Then what's up with the online numbers in BO decreasing dratiscally since it's release.

Still way more played than any FPS in the world. You can't spin facts, friends. Just accept that COD is superior to everything else.

Maybe in sales only Shred3D.

[QUOTE="super600"]

[QUOTE="DangerousLiquid"]

Is Call of Duty as casual as Wii Sports? Maybe that's why there is CALL OF DUTY XP? Where is Wii Sports XP? Stop embarrassing yourself.

And Wii Sports sells, because it's bundled, people play it for 2 weeks and never touch it again.

Black Ops sells, and continues to be the most played game in the world until the next game arrives.

That is the difference between a truthfully successful game, and a successful game. Don't think anything different.

Call of Duty 4 changed everyone's thought on making a FPS. It is the reason COD is the biggest and most powerful trademark in the gaming industry these days. And with Modern Warfare 3 breaking all pre-order records, it will not change anytime soon. Face it, or quit gaming for good.

DangerousLiquid

Then what's up with the online numbers in BO decreasing dratiscally since it's release.

Still way more played than any FPS in the world. You can't spin facts, friends. Just accept that COD is superior to everything else.

Only in numbers mah friend.

[QUOTE="DangerousLiquid"]

[QUOTE="super600"]

Then what's up with the online numbers in BO decreasing dratiscally since it's release.

super600

Still way more played than any FPS in the world. You can't spin facts, friends. Just accept that COD is superior to everything else.

Maybe in sales only Shred3D.

Everything else is subjectve...

so because you suck at every other FPS automaticly means COD is the best FPS game ever?? :lol: = fail

Controls. period.

COD has mastered/perfected the controls of FPS. No other game comes close. The closest imo is Halo.

When i played Killzone or bad company i couldnt aim for ****. My cross hairs was all over the place. Even when the enemy is close to me i have a hard time shooting them. Now i know it takes time to get used to it but why waste time to get used to it when its obvious that the gameplay is broken? Now i know some of you are going to be like "well its because its realistic and takes skill herp derp". To that all i can do is laugh.

In real life its not hard to aim from point A to point B nice and fast. Im not going to have a problem with overcompensation. Im going to lock on you pretty quick and take you out.

In COD the controls are nice, sweet, tight and precise exactly how it would be in real life especially if you are a trained soldier for crying out loud. I feel like im drunk when i play killzone and bad company. Im just spraying all over the place and wrestling with my controller just to kill a guy rite in front of my face.

COD has the most realistic controls. And people keep on buying them because of its perfection. SW's complains about rehash...well, when something is perfected....you cant do much to improve it can you? If you want improvments wait for COD 9 when it comes out on PS4 and xbox 720. The only improvements with be the amazing graphics while maintaining 60fps......but for now...60fps>>>>graphics. so stop crying.

Discuss...

Omega-316

[QUOTE="super600"]

[QUOTE="DangerousLiquid"]

Still way more played than any FPS in the world. You can't spin facts, friends. Just accept that COD is superior to everything else.

DangerousLiquid

Maybe in sales only Shred3D.

Everything else is subjectve...

Graphics are not subjective.

[QUOTE="lightleggy"][QUOTE="DangerousLiquid"]

Let me just put this like this:

Black Ops is in all likelihood more actively played than all the Wii games online combined. That's imposing, if anything.

DangerousLiquid

:lol::lol:

Black Ops attracts 17 million unique users on PS3, 360 and PS3 each week.

If you honestly think any game in the world (like the big ones; CS, WoW, SC) comes close, let alone some unpopular games on the Wii, then;

you're simply trolling,

or you're the most uneducated gamer in the world.

[QUOTE="DangerousLiquid"]

[QUOTE="lightleggy"] lol no, mario kart sold twice as much as BO on the wii, and its way more actively played, SSBB as well, even though its donkey crap (online) but its still one of the most played games.lightleggy

:lol::lol:

Black Ops attracts 17 million unique users on PS3, 360 and PS3 each week.

If you honestly think any game in the world (like the big ones; CS, WoW, SC) comes close, let alone some unpopular games on the Wii, then;

you're simply trolling,

or you're the most uneducated gamer in the world.

u said ps3 twice notice this carefully.. im not sayiing this is a bad thing however its argueably one of the WORST fps's on the pc atm XD plays codblops mp on the pc should be considered heresy.. just sayin

sure its addictive and sure it has good mechanics but when the game is that poorly ported to the pc and so half heartedly given to us.. activision shows how much they give a GD about us. which is wh CSS and TF2 and quakelive will always be full of players and blops will be as barren as a wasteland

nuff said

[QUOTE="sonic_spark"]

[QUOTE="DangerousLiquid"]

Uh? They're nobodies.

DangerousLiquid

COD is to FPS as is Wii Sports to casuals buying a console. It's casual. It offers a linear campaign that is done in 5 hours or less no matter which COD you play. It's filled with cheap thrills (like a summer blockbuster) with it's set piece cinematic moments, and an above average multiplayer with a levelling up system and a couple perks thrown in.

It's by no means a bad game, but by no means is it the template all FPS should be. COD is the perfect example of taking a 7/10 and making it a 9/10 by good marketing and a severe lack of a current generation military shooter designed for the casual gamer.

Yes the "shooting genre" altogether is competitive, I will not disagree. But at the time Modern Warfare 1 came out, competition was relatively low (compared to now) and military shooters were less frequent. And here's a news flash, most shooting games are terrible. So despite competition, it's really just a lot of other mediocre shooters hoping to get big.

And to ignore the template Halo/Half-Life/Mario/Zelda/GTA3 etc., have laid out is to disregard the basic template each of these games have established that all current games are somehow based off of. You can't deny it.

COD important? Yeah sure. In how to market a game and really push a "core" title to a casual crowd by simplifying the experience for the single player but by giving some incentive for the hardcore to shine in the multiplayer.

But you're delusional to think that is the most important game to come out of this generation. Wii Sports will forever hold that crown, and if you don't believe it explain the reason for the development of the PS Move and MS Kinect. Also 90 million Wii's.

Is Call of Duty as casual as Wii Sports? Maybe that's why there is CALL OF DUTY XP? Where is Wii Sports XP? Stop embarrassing yourself.

And Wii Sports sells, because it's bundled, people play it for 2 weeks and never touch it again.

Black Ops sells, and continues to be the most played game in the world until the next game arrives.

That is the difference between a truthfully successful game, and a successful game. Don't think anything different.

Call of Duty 4 changed everyone's thought on making a FPS. It is the reason COD is the biggest and most powerful trademark in the gaming industry these days. And with Modern Warfare 3 breaking all pre-order records, it will not change anytime soon. Face it, or quit gaming for good.

[QUOTE="lightleggy"][QUOTE="DangerousLiquid"]

:lol::lol:

Black Ops attracts 17 million unique users on PS3, 360 and PS3 each week.

If you honestly think any game in the world (like the big ones; CS, WoW, SC) comes close, let alone some unpopular games on the Wii, then;

you're simply trolling,

or you're the most uneducated gamer in the world.

ionusX

u said ps3 twice notice this carefully.. im not sayiing this is a bad thing however its argueably one of the WORST fps's on the pc atm XD plays codblops mp on the pc should be considered heresy.. just sayin

[QUOTE="super600"]

[QUOTE="DangerousLiquid"]

Still way more played than any FPS in the world. You can't spin facts, friends. Just accept that COD is superior to everything else.

DangerousLiquid

Maybe in sales only Shred3D.

Everything else is subjectve...

[QUOTE="DangerousLiquid"]

[QUOTE="sonic_spark"]

COD is to FPS as is Wii Sports to casuals buying a console. It's casual. It offers a linear campaign that is done in 5 hours or less no matter which COD you play. It's filled with cheap thrills (like a summer blockbuster) with it's set piece cinematic moments, and an above average multiplayer with a levelling up system and a couple perks thrown in.

It's by no means a bad game, but by no means is it the template all FPS should be. COD is the perfect example of taking a 7/10 and making it a 9/10 by good marketing and a severe lack of a current generation military shooter designed for the casual gamer.

Yes the "shooting genre" altogether is competitive, I will not disagree. But at the time Modern Warfare 1 came out, competition was relatively low (compared to now) and military shooters were less frequent. And here's a news flash, most shooting games are terrible. So despite competition, it's really just a lot of other mediocre shooters hoping to get big.

And to ignore the template Halo/Half-Life/Mario/Zelda/GTA3 etc., have laid out is to disregard the basic template each of these games have established that all current games are somehow based off of. You can't deny it.

COD important? Yeah sure. In how to market a game and really push a "core" title to a casual crowd by simplifying the experience for the single player but by giving some incentive for the hardcore to shine in the multiplayer.

But you're delusional to think that is the most important game to come out of this generation. Wii Sports will forever hold that crown, and if you don't believe it explain the reason for the development of the PS Move and MS Kinect. Also 90 million Wii's.

lightleggy

Is Call of Duty as casual as Wii Sports? Maybe that's why there is CALL OF DUTY XP? Where is Wii Sports XP? Stop embarrassing yourself.

And Wii Sports sells, because it's bundled, people play it for 2 weeks and never touch it again.

Black Ops sells, and continues to be the most played game in the world until the next game arrives.

That is the difference between a truthfully successful game, and a successful game. Don't think anything different.

Call of Duty 4 changed everyone's thought on making a FPS. It is the reason COD is the biggest and most powerful trademark in the gaming industry these days. And with Modern Warfare 3 breaking all pre-order records, it will not change anytime soon. Face it, or quit gaming for good.

indeed the only origional thing cod ever gave the fps community was the singleplayer fuzzy hp is low HUD and thats turned out to be such a good idea /eyeroll (moh2010 is a prime case in point)

I am now convinced that even the console version of BF3 will blow MW3 out of the water. I'm disappointed COD fanboys haven't been more creative in defending MW3. It's all PR codewords. Before the BF3 hype train left the station I had never heard COD described as "butter-smooth" and "Arcade-style." The current descriptions of COD gameplay remind me of the spin you hear during presidential campaigns. I keep hearing the same stale talking point: "MW3 will be 60 fps. BF3 will be 30 fps on console." That's because the engine is from 1999 and the resolution is 600p. BF3 will be 720p on console, but that doesn't seem to count for whatever reason. 60 fps IS better than 30 fps, but not at the expense of visual quality, map size, player count, vehicle count, and environmental destruction. I don't even think most people can tell 30 fps from 60 fps unless they're watching a side-by-side video. I have never seen animation so fluid as the animation in BF3, even in movies. The production value of the game I see in BF3 trailers is quite an achievement. I used to think we were still a few years away before the leap in graphics would justify the purchase of a new generation of consoles. This is a next generation game and will push the boundaries of even current gen graphics. The fence-sitters that say "just buy both games" are the most blind among us. Look, if you want to drop 120 bucks to buy two modern military shooters in the same month, then that's on you, but don't insist the rest of us have to waste 60 dollars so you can avoid making a decision on which game will provide you with the best quality experience. After watching the Caspian Border trailer, there is no doubt in my mind that game is BF3. Multiplayer gameplay for MW3 has been out for a couple years if you want to compare. ActionRemix

This is how I exactly feel about this shooter war, but I use to be neutral at the start of the war.

[QUOTE="DangerousLiquid"]

[QUOTE="super600"]

Maybe in sales only Shred3D.

super600

Everything else is subjectve...

Graphics are not subjective.

You know that in the real world, no one really cares about graphics. When you're into business, and want to make money, you'll want to make a game that everyone buys and continues to play until the next instalment, so that they purchase it, as well, creating a super franchise. Like COD.

Graphics won't help you a bit.

[QUOTE="DangerousLiquid"]

[QUOTE="lightleggy"] lol no, mario kart sold twice as much as BO on the wii, and its way more actively played, SSBB as well, even though its donkey crap (online) but its still one of the most played games.lightleggy

:lol::lol:

Black Ops attracts 17 million unique users on PS3, 360 and PS3 each week.

If you honestly think any game in the world (like the big ones; CS, WoW, SC) comes close, let alone some unpopular games on the Wii, then;

you're simply trolling,

or you're the most uneducated gamer in the world.

You said MKWii is "way more actively played" than BO. I had a good laugh and corrected you.

[QUOTE="ActionRemix"]I am now convinced that even the console version of BF3 will blow MW3 out of the water. I'm disappointed COD fanboys haven't been more creative in defending MW3. It's all PR codewords. Before the BF3 hype train left the station I had never heard COD described as "butter-smooth" and "Arcade-style." The current descriptions of COD gameplay remind me of the spin you hear during presidential campaigns. I keep hearing the same stale talking point: "MW3 will be 60 fps. BF3 will be 30 fps on console." That's because the engine is from 1999 and the resolution is 600p. BF3 will be 720p on console, but that doesn't seem to count for whatever reason. 60 fps IS better than 30 fps, but not at the expense of visual quality, map size, player count, vehicle count, and environmental destruction. I don't even think most people can tell 30 fps from 60 fps unless they're watching a side-by-side video. I have never seen animation so fluid as the animation in BF3, even in movies. The production value of the game I see in BF3 trailers is quite an achievement. I used to think we were still a few years away before the leap in graphics would justify the purchase of a new generation of consoles. This is a next generation game and will push the boundaries of even current gen graphics. The fence-sitters that say "just buy both games" are the most blind among us. Look, if you want to drop 120 bucks to buy two modern military shooters in the same month, then that's on you, but don't insist the rest of us have to waste 60 dollars so you can avoid making a decision on which game will provide you with the best quality experience. After watching the Caspian Border trailer, there is no doubt in my mind that game is BF3. Multiplayer gameplay for MW3 has been out for a couple years if you want to compare. lightleggy

Ah, I played MW2 today with my friends, and it reminded me why CoD will ALWAYS be number one: action.

Headquarters on Scrapyard. 4v4. So much intense action, grenades flying everywhere, bullets tearing through here and there. Pure entertainment, simply. If it's possible to even come remotely close to having as fun in BF, you may as well shoot me.

COD will always be number one. Period.

Ah, I played MW2 today with my friends, and it reminded me why CoD will ALWAYS be number one: action.

Headquarters on Scrapyard. 4v4. So much intense action, grenades flying everywhere, bullets tearing through here and there. Pure entertainment, simply. If it's possible to even come remotely close to having as fun in BF, you may as well shoot me.

COD will always be number one. Period.

DangerousLiquid

We've been having that same experience in FPSs for years. CoD doesn't do it nearly as good as games like Quake or Unreal. Most FPSs are pure entertainment, you just haven't played them.

[QUOTE="DangerousLiquid"]

Ah, I played MW2 today with my friends, and it reminded me why CoD will ALWAYS be number one: action.

Headquarters on Scrapyard. 4v4. So much intense action, grenades flying everywhere, bullets tearing through here and there. Pure entertainment, simply. If it's possible to even come remotely close to having as fun in BF, you may as well shoot me.

COD will always be number one. Period.

Wasdie

We've been having that same experience in FPSs for years. CoD doesn't do it nearly as good as games like Quake or Unreal. Most FPSs are pure entertainment, you just haven't played them.

Quake and Unreal are fast-paced, but I'm more into military shooters.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="DangerousLiquid"]

Ah, I played MW2 today with my friends, and it reminded me why CoD will ALWAYS be number one: action.

Headquarters on Scrapyard. 4v4. So much intense action, grenades flying everywhere, bullets tearing through here and there. Pure entertainment, simply. If it's possible to even come remotely close to having as fun in BF, you may as well shoot me.

COD will always be number one. Period.

DangerousLiquid

We've been having that same experience in FPSs for years. CoD doesn't do it nearly as good as games like Quake or Unreal. Most FPSs are pure entertainment, you just haven't played them.

Quake and Unreal are fast-paced, but I'm more into military shooters.

Well then CoD is number one just for you. It's commonly accepted that CoD is not the best FPS of all time. The most popular at the time doesn't just make it the best by default. Even the best FPS can get stale after awhile and people move onto different things.

[QUOTE="DangerousLiquid"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

We've been having that same experience in FPSs for years. CoD doesn't do it nearly as good as games like Quake or Unreal. Most FPSs are pure entertainment, you just haven't played them.

Wasdie

Quake and Unreal are fast-paced, but I'm more into military shooters.

Well then CoD is number one just for you. It's commonly accepted that CoD is not the best FPS of all time. The most popular at the time doesn't just make it the best by default. Even the best FPS can get stale after awhile and people move onto different things.

True, but at the moment, COD is number one for me and 30 million other gamers. And if Infinity Ward and Treyarch keep doing quality games, and coming up with new ideas, that won't change anytime soon, IMO.

I have to agree with TC when I first picked up Call of Duty 4 the controls were the best I had ever had since Halo. I knew it was going to be a great game from then on out. Btw I am talking about the console versions I don't play PC FPS.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="DangerousLiquid"]

Quake and Unreal are fast-paced, but I'm more into military shooters.

DangerousLiquid

Well then CoD is number one just for you. It's commonly accepted that CoD is not the best FPS of all time. The most popular at the time doesn't just make it the best by default. Even the best FPS can get stale after awhile and people move onto different things.

True, but at the moment, COD is number one for me and 30 million other gamers. And if Infinity Ward and Treyarch keep doing quality games, and coming up with new ideas, that won't change anytime soon, IMO.

Treyarch have never made a good game, I had never heard about them before Cod 3. And new ideas in CoD? :lol:

[QUOTE="lightleggy"][QUOTE="DangerousLiquid"]

:lol::lol:

Black Ops attracts 17 million unique users on PS3, 360 and PS3 each week.

If you honestly think any game in the world (like the big ones; CS, WoW, SC) comes close, let alone some unpopular games on the Wii, then;

you're simply trolling,

or you're the most uneducated gamer in the world.

DangerousLiquid

You said MKWii is "way more actively played" than BO. I had a good laugh and corrected you.

[QUOTE="lightleggy"][QUOTE="ActionRemix"]I am now convinced that even the console version of BF3 will blow MW3 out of the water. I'm disappointed COD fanboys haven't been more creative in defending MW3. It's all PR codewords. Before the BF3 hype train left the station I had never heard COD described as "butter-smooth" and "Arcade-style." The current descriptions of COD gameplay remind me of the spin you hear during presidential campaigns. I keep hearing the same stale talking point: "MW3 will be 60 fps. BF3 will be 30 fps on console." That's because the engine is from 1999 and the resolution is 600p. BF3 will be 720p on console, but that doesn't seem to count for whatever reason. 60 fps IS better than 30 fps, but not at the expense of visual quality, map size, player count, vehicle count, and environmental destruction. I don't even think most people can tell 30 fps from 60 fps unless they're watching a side-by-side video. I have never seen animation so fluid as the animation in BF3, even in movies. The production value of the game I see in BF3 trailers is quite an achievement. I used to think we were still a few years away before the leap in graphics would justify the purchase of a new generation of consoles. This is a next generation game and will push the boundaries of even current gen graphics. The fence-sitters that say "just buy both games" are the most blind among us. Look, if you want to drop 120 bucks to buy two modern military shooters in the same month, then that's on you, but don't insist the rest of us have to waste 60 dollars so you can avoid making a decision on which game will provide you with the best quality experience. After watching the Caspian Border trailer, there is no doubt in my mind that game is BF3. Multiplayer gameplay for MW3 has been out for a couple years if you want to compare. DangerousLiquid

Ah, I played MW2 today with my friends, and it reminded me why CoD will ALWAYS be number one: action.

Headquarters on Scrapyard. 4v4. So much intense action, grenades flying everywhere, bullets tearing through here and there. Pure entertainment, simply. If it's possible to even come remotely close to having as fun in BF, you may as well shoot me.

COD will always be number one. Period.

-facepalm- ok, yes, IW has been more influential than DICE. But in a bad way. All this CODilization is really bad for the industry. While BF may not influence as much, it influences in a good way, not a bad way like COD.

gamedude234

For how many years FPS had been the same.? Kill 1 no reward kill 10 no reward...

COD actually rewarded people,some people don't like it but is good,fun and can be pick by any one,sure it can take a turn for the worst,but what ruin MW and COD games is not perks or killstreaks is actually the huge cheating.

But since is so easy to pull people do it,i know friends who go into a game just to try to find cheat,and they did a free for all in a stage and they all worked to learn cheats and glitches,MW and COD games what really need is servers dedicated servers,and better bug testing for cheaters,when it comes to been fun the game is ultra fun and rewarding and that is why so many people love it.

COD is great online deathmatch and thats all...Halo reigns supreme on consoles splitscreen coop and deathmatch. COD lost me after COD2..it was the best by far.

Lulz you are crazy. KZ and Halo blow COD out of the water and now BF3 is about to do the same thing.

[QUOTE="gamedude234"]

-facepalm- ok, yes, IW has been more influential than DICE. But in a bad way. All this CODilization is really bad for the industry. While BF may not influence as much, it influences in a good way, not a bad way like COD.

tormentos

For how many years FPS had been the same.? Kill 1 no reward kill 10 no reward...

COD actually rewarded people,some people don't like it but is good,fun and can be pick by any one,sure it can take a turn for the worst,but what ruin MW and COD games is not perks or killstreaks is actually the huge cheating.

But since is so easy to pull people do it,i know friends who go into a game just to try to find cheat,and they did a free for all in a stage and they all worked to learn cheats and glitches,MW and COD games what really need is servers dedicated servers,and better bug testing for cheaters,when it comes to been fun the game is ultra fun and rewarding and that is why so many people love it.

COD also rewards people for doing badly, which is a bad thing.

[QUOTE="tormentos"]

[QUOTE="gamedude234"]

-facepalm- ok, yes, IW has been more influential than DICE. But in a bad way. All this CODilization is really bad for the industry. While BF may not influence as much, it influences in a good way, not a bad way like COD.

el3m2tigre

For how many years FPS had been the same.? Kill 1 no reward kill 10 no reward...

COD actually rewarded people,some people don't like it but is good,fun and can be pick by any one,sure it can take a turn for the worst,but what ruin MW and COD games is not perks or killstreaks is actually the huge cheating.

But since is so easy to pull people do it,i know friends who go into a game just to try to find cheat,and they did a free for all in a stage and they all worked to learn cheats and glitches,MW and COD games what really need is servers dedicated servers,and better bug testing for cheaters,when it comes to been fun the game is ultra fun and rewarding and that is why so many people love it.

COD also rewards people for doing badly, which is a bad thing.

I false sense of reward ? Because if your doing bad in COD the game is not magically going to help you.

Auto aim FAIL. Everyone knows mouse and keyboard has the best controls and Counter Strike is still the best FPS multiplayer game.p3anut

im part of "everyone" and i dont know that...keyboard isnt best at anything other than typing...mouse..yep its good.

The mouse sucks because it limits your right hand to three buttons instead of the seven available on a gamepad. The left hand has to make up for this on the keyboard in very unergonomic ways.ActionRemix

Well that's not really true. The problem with a controller is you have to take your finger off of the analog stick to reload, melee, change weapons, or interact with something. With a mouse and keyboard you don't have to do that, you're able to constantly have situational awarness with the mouse as it is dedicated to looking and shooting, that's it.

I liked all the CODs I really did. I had way to many days played, good stats, high ranked, all that...my problem is they keep making it easier and easier for other people to do all that. Black Ops, any Randy-Bob can pick up the sticks and put a famas on and do good...I mean kids who are outright stupid with no common senseand dont know map placement or nade spots or head glitching spots...they just crouch walk around with ghost hip firing everything...its very frustrating to me which is why i cant stand pubbin in COD no more..all i do is GB and Private matches...I will get MW3 because of friends and GB but I swear if they dumb the game down anymore im done with it...LOL @ aim assist

Well that's not really true. The problem with a controller is you have to take your finger off of the analog stick to reload, melee, change weapons, or interact with something. With a mouse and keyboard you don't have to do that, you're able to constantly have situational awarness with the mouse as it is dedicated to looking and shooting, that's it.Wasdie

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]Well that's not really true. The problem with a controller is you have to take your finger off of the analog stick to reload, melee, change weapons, or interact with something. With a mouse and keyboard you don't have to do that, you're able to constantly have situational awarness with the mouse as it is dedicated to looking and shooting, that's it.ActionRemix

In real life its not hard to aim from point A to point B nice and fast

Omega-316

My issue with cod is the rewards for selfish players.....ppl camp out and just sit there waiting for the next baby buffalo. lol now don't get me wrong thats part of how you should play but moving around the map from hot spots....but you shouldn't sit in a corner for 8 out of the ten mins just to get a killstreak....meanwhile your team is losing....this can happen in any objective based game type. Also i hate it when a party just doesn't play the objective at all and just spawn kills to rack up xp....wtf? spawn killing is bs....and brink while wasn't perfect and is a very different game made that impossible by putting up torrets that can't be stopped guarding the spawn or command post. I like cod...i don't like how your allowed to cheat or play like a douche. Rapid fire and drop shot controller mods.....lag switches....aim bots.....there are so many ways ppl cheat just to brag about how good they are at a video game....it takes all the fun out of it. And controller modz are cheating. Sound whoring isn't. The game has sounds like that cause in real life thats very important....anyone who hunts knows that the ears are just as important as your weapon. The thing about how are in real life it's easy to aim like in black ops is way off....real life marksman are not that fast on average at all....nor are many of them that accurate. See recoil is much more difficult to manage in real life at even medium distances. Cod isa arcade shooter....it is not realistic at all and thats not the goal.