Why did it become the cool thing to do to bash Skyrim on forums?

Almost everyone was in awe of this game when it releaesed, it won more goty's than any game in recent memory, people sunk over 100 hours in it... is it angry PS3 fans because they got the broken version?

Yes it is buggy and the ai glitches out sometimes, but given the size and scope of the game it's amazing...

look at a game like TLOU which is arguably even buggier, with horrendous AI, only it's LINEAR and tiny in comparison to Skyrims sprawling vistas with virtually NO npcs, while skyrim has the most advanced and abundant use of npcs in gaming history.

It's a rather flawed game, and lots of valid criticisms can be made. That said, I still enjoyed it, but there are many glaring design issues on display, and most can be summed up by describing the game as "the ocean the depth of a puddle."

Why do I get the feeling you want to bash TLOU?

Because it's shit.

look at a game like TLOU which is arguably even buggierrobotapple

Because it's shit.

HaRmLeSS_RaGe

look at a game like TLOU which is arguably even buggier, with horrendous AI, only it's LINEAR and tiny in comparison to Skyrims sprawling vistas.

robotapple

Just because Skyrim is big, doesn't mean it's automatically better than some linear, more focused game with smaller scope.

Why do I get the feeling you want to bash TLOU?Michael0134567

It's a rather flawed game, and lots of valid criticisms can be made. That said, I still enjoyed it, but there are many glaring design issues on display, and most can be summed up by describing the game as "the ocean the depth of a puddle."

Rocker6

People love to hate on popular things. But then again some things that are popular are pretty shitty, and one could make a strong argument for Skyrim. When I game first releases, everyone is so excited to play it and explore the game's world that a lot of the flaws to unnoticed. This was the case with me for BioShock Infinite. I loved the story, characters, art design, atmosphere, etc, and those things were enough to distract me from the dull gameplay during my first playthrough. Once I replayed it, a lot of flaws became very apparent and I couldn't even finish it a second time. Same kind of thing applies to games like SkyrimBPoole96

because people have differing opinions

Its enjoyable but really overrated by most reviewers.

Because the Honeymoon period wore off and people realised just how shit it really was

Terrible mission design, awful AWFUL characters NPCs dialogue, Shitty old animations, clunky combat, boring enemies, really poor dungeons that were all the same

The only thing Skyrim did right was the environments and world itself. Everything inside of that world though is pretty bad

Almost everyone was in awe of this game when it releaesed, it won more goty's than any game in recent memory, people sunk over 100 hours in it... is it angry PS3 fans because they got the broken version?

Yes it is buggy and the ai glitches out sometimes, but given the size and scope of the game it's amazing...

look at a game like TLOU which is arguably even buggier, with horrendous AI, only it's LINEAR and tiny in comparison to Skyrims sprawling vistas.

robotapple

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]People love to hate on popular things. But then again some things that are popular are pretty shitty, and one could make a strong argument for Skyrim. When I game first releases, everyone is so excited to play it and explore the game's world that a lot of the flaws to unnoticed. This was the case with me for BioShock Infinite. I loved the story, characters, art design, atmosphere, etc, and those things were enough to distract me from the dull gameplay during my first playthrough. Once I replayed it, a lot of flaws became very apparent and I couldn't even finish it a second time. Same kind of thing applies to games like Skyrimrobotapple

Sweet Jesus no

Infinite isn't perfect but at least it tries certain things. 

Because the Honeymoon period wore off and people realised just how shit it really was

Terrible mission design, awful AWFUL characters NPCs dialogue, Shitty old animations, clunky combat, boring enemies, really poor dungeons that were all the same

The only thing Skyrim did right was the environments and world itself. Everything inside of that world though is pretty bad

seanmcloughlin

they really need to revamp the combat in elder scrolls

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]People love to hate on popular things. But then again some things that are popular are pretty shitty, and one could make a strong argument for Skyrim. When I game first releases, everyone is so excited to play it and explore the game's world that a lot of the flaws to unnoticed. This was the case with me for BioShock Infinite. I loved the story, characters, art design, atmosphere, etc, and those things were enough to distract me from the dull gameplay during my first playthrough. Once I replayed it, a lot of flaws became very apparent and I couldn't even finish it a second time. Same kind of thing applies to games like Skyrimrobotapple

Because the Honeymoon period wore off and people realised just how shit it really was

Terrible mission design, awful AWFUL characters NPCs dialogue, Shitty old animations, clunky combat, boring enemies, really poor dungeons that were all the same

The only thing Skyrim did right was the environments and world itself. Everything inside of that world though is pretty bad

seanmcloughlin

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

Because the Honeymoon period wore off and people realised just how shit it really was

Terrible mission design, awful AWFUL characters NPCs dialogue, Shitty old animations, clunky combat, boring enemies, really poor dungeons that were all the same

The only thing Skyrim did right was the environments and world itself. Everything inside of that world though is pretty bad

lostrib

they really need to revamp the combat in elder scrolls

They need to revamp the whole model and animation system badly. If they can make more dynamic movements with a lot of articulation points on models and a lot more fluid looking then the combat will fall into place naturally after that.

They're using the same crap animations they have been for years and Bethesda's mottot might as well be "Get the most out of as little as possible". They rival Activision for not revamping their shit. 

Also they need new Voice Actors. I'm sick of hearing generic guy #7 all over the place

Fact: TLOU > Bethesda 

Anything that Bethesda comes out with is horrible! I bought oblivion because of the hype, it was garbage with shitty animation and was just basically an offline mmorpg. 

I bought Fallout because of the hype and hoping it would play different from oblivion, it was garbage with shitty animation and basically is oblivion with guns. I gave bethesda another chance and bought skyrim for PC. It was oblivion with dragons with shitty last generation animation, all bethesda games requires mods to make it a decent game. I have invest over 500 hours into skyrim because the mods made it a playable game

Bethesda games are overhype and overrated.

Also they need new Voice Actors. I'm sick of hearing generic guy #7 all over the placeseanmcloughlin

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

Because the Honeymoon period wore off and people realised just how shit it really was

Terrible mission design, awful AWFUL characters NPCs dialogue, Shitty old animations, clunky combat, boring enemies, really poor dungeons that were all the same

The only thing Skyrim did right was the environments and world itself. Everything inside of that world though is pretty bad

lostrib

they really need to revamp the combat in elder scrolls

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

Because the Honeymoon period wore off and people realised just how shit it really was

Terrible mission design, awful AWFUL characters NPCs dialogue, Shitty old animations, clunky combat, boring enemies, really poor dungeons that were all the same

The only thing Skyrim did right was the environments and world itself. Everything inside of that world though is pretty bad

Heil68

Yeah "LOOKED" awesome. I even said it looked nice environment wise. But the gameplay is completely crap. It does the job but it has 0 depth and has fvck all variety to it.I mean at face value it looks diverse but so many weapons and spells all look and feel the same. 

[QUOTE="Rocker6"]

It's a rather flawed game, and lots of valid criticisms can be made. That said, I still enjoyed it, but there are many glaring design issues on display, and most can be summed up by describing the game as "the ocean the depth of a puddle."

mems_1224

Don't ask me, never played TLoU or Journey. I only comment, criticize and praise the games I played.

Also, I could shit on Skyrim all day long, but as I said, I still love it, played it to the end, explored the entire map, completed every major side quest, DLC included. Took me some 150 hours. Guess one could say I have some really odd feelings towards Bethesda RPGs! :P

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]People love to hate on popular things. But then again some things that are popular are pretty shitty, and one could make a strong argument for Skyrim. When I game first releases, everyone is so excited to play it and explore the game's world that a lot of the flaws to unnoticed. This was the case with me for BioShock Infinite. I loved the story, characters, art design, atmosphere, etc, and those things were enough to distract me from the dull gameplay during my first playthrough. Once I replayed it, a lot of flaws became very apparent and I couldn't even finish it a second time. Same kind of thing applies to games like Skyrimrobotapple

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]Also they need new Voice Actors. I'm sick of hearing generic guy #7 all over the placeHeil68

Yeah and I was excited for that too before playing it, until you get in and every single guard has the same voice or they all sound the bloody same anyway. 

Even notable characters who you spend a lot of time with don't have unique voices. I know it's hard for a game that size but Skyrim is shameless for repeating phrases and voices everywhere. They still sound the same as they did in Oblivion

[QUOTE="Heil68"][QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

Because the Honeymoon period wore off and people realised just how shit it really was

Terrible mission design, awful AWFUL characters NPCs dialogue, Shitty old animations, clunky combat, boring enemies, really poor dungeons that were all the same

The only thing Skyrim did right was the environments and world itself. Everything inside of that world though is pretty bad

seanmcloughlin

Yeah "LOOKED" awesome. I even said it looked nice environment wise. But the gameplay is completely crap. It does the job but it has 0 depth and has fvck all variety to it.I mean at face value it looks diverse but so many weapons and spells all look and feel the same. 

[QUOTE="Heil68"][QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

Because the Honeymoon period wore off and people realised just how shit it really was

Terrible mission design, awful AWFUL characters NPCs dialogue, Shitty old animations, clunky combat, boring enemies, really poor dungeons that were all the same

The only thing Skyrim did right was the environments and world itself. Everything inside of that world though is pretty bad

seanmcloughlin

Yeah "LOOKED" awesome. I even said it looked nice environment wise. But the gameplay is completely crap. It does the job but it has 0 depth and has fvck all variety to it.I mean at face value it looks diverse but so many weapons and spells all look and feel the same. 

without graphics mods, especially the HD textures and some better lighting, it looks pretty "eh"

[QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="Rocker6"]

It's a rather flawed game, and lots of valid criticisms can be made. That said, I still enjoyed it, but there are many glaring design issues on display, and most can be summed up by describing the game as "the ocean the depth of a puddle."

Rocker6

Don't ask me, never played TLoU or Journey. I only comment, criticize and praise the games I played.

Also, I could shit on Skyrim all day long, but as I said, I still love it, played it to the end, explored the entire map, completed every major side quest, DLC included. Took me some 150 hours. Guess one could say I have some really odd feelings towards Bethesda RPGs! :P

They're RPG playgrounds, but they can be incredibly broken at times

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

[QUOTE="Heil68"] I strongly disagree. I had fun the whole way through it and when I played the PC version with just a couple mods, its looked awesome. Heil68

Yeah "LOOKED" awesome. I even said it looked nice environment wise. But the gameplay is completely crap. It does the job but it has 0 depth and has fvck all variety to it.I mean at face value it looks diverse but so many weapons and spells all look and feel the same. 

Well you're incredibly easy to please then

Skyrim's biggest fault is letting you see and do everything in one single playtrhough. You can become the head of all the guilds or factions in the land and no one rises up against you for betraying the other. It killed the replay value in the game for me

It also has a really poor skill tree and upgrade system that defies actual role playing. Why carve my own path when I can just play all the paths

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

Because the Honeymoon period wore off and people realised just how shit it really was

Terrible mission design, awful AWFUL characters NPCs dialogue, Shitty old animations, clunky combat, boring enemies, really poor dungeons that were all the same

The only thing Skyrim did right was the environments and world itself. Everything inside of that world though is pretty bad

seanmcloughlin

they really need to revamp the combat in elder scrolls

They need to revamp the whole model and animation system badly. If they can make more dynamic movements with a lot of articulation points on models and a lot more fluid looking then the combat will fall into place naturally after that.

They're using the same crap animations they have been for years and Bethesda's mottot might as well be "Get the most out of as little as possible". They rival Activision for not revamping their shit. 

Also they need new Voice Actors. I'm sick of hearing generic guy #7 all over the place

This... also, I'd really love if they limited the scope of the game, have a smaller game world with less dungeons and places, but have most of them unique and varied, wih some small side stories, special pieces of loot that are actually useful, etc.

Bethesda RPGs like Skyrim and Oblivion are big for the sake of being big, while I'd much prefer if the design revolved over quality, instead of quantity.

Oh, and they should also finally make the jump animations look good, they're consistently atrocious! :P

I don't like skyrim because its a large world with the depth of a pond

without graphics mods, especially the HD textures and some better lighting, it looks pretty "eh"

lostrib

For sheer fidelity yeah, but the whole scope and scale of things was pretty impressive visually. 

[QUOTE="Heil68"][QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

Yeah "LOOKED" awesome. I even said it looked nice environment wise. But the gameplay is completely crap. It does the job but it has 0 depth and has fvck all variety to it.I mean at face value it looks diverse but so many weapons and spells all look and feel the same. 

seanmcloughlin

Well you're incredibly easy to please then

Skyrim's biggest fault is letting you see and do everything in one single playtrhough. You can become the head of all the guilds or factions in the land and no one rises up against you for betraying the other. It killed the replay value in the game for me

It also has a really poor skill tree and upgrade system that defies actual role playing. Why carve my own path when I can just play all the paths

Also, I don't need Dragons spawning every time I walk five feet out of a city.

This... also, I'd really love if they limited the scope of the game, have a smaller game world with less dungeons and places, but have most of them unique and varied, wih some small side stories, special pieces of loot that are actually useful, etc.

Bethesda RPGs like Skyrim and Oblivion are big for the sake of being big, while I'd much prefer if the design revolved over quality, instead of quantity.

Oh, and they should also finally make the jump animations look good, they're consistently atrocious! :P

Rocker6

Yep, I made a video talking about how Skyrim is big for the sake of being big and the whole mission and fast travel system they implemented completely trivialises the open world aspect of it

It's impressive to see a world that big but when it's just there for the sake of it and the game doesn't utilise it properly then it's pretty bad. It's why I am worrying a bit about TW3 going full open world with a similar fast travel mechanic

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

[QUOTE="Heil68"] As a Thief it was great,i felt powerful and the animations felt pretty good, even on dagger assassinations.Heil68

Well you're incredibly easy to please then

Skyrim's biggest fault is letting you see and do everything in one single playtrhough. You can become the head of all the guilds or factions in the land and no one rises up against you for betraying the other. It killed the replay value in the game for me

It also has a really poor skill tree and upgrade system that defies actual role playing. Why carve my own path when I can just play all the paths

You think Uncharted 3 is an amazing game. 

[QUOTE="Heil68"][QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

Well you're incredibly easy to please then

Skyrim's biggest fault is letting you see and do everything in one single playtrhough. You can become the head of all the guilds or factions in the land and no one rises up against you for betraying the other. It killed the replay value in the game for me

It also has a really poor skill tree and upgrade system that defies actual role playing. Why carve my own path when I can just play all the paths

seanmcloughlin

You think Uncharted 3 is an amazing game. 

[QUOTE="Heil68"][QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

Yeah "LOOKED" awesome. I even said it looked nice environment wise. But the gameplay is completely crap. It does the job but it has 0 depth and has fvck all variety to it.I mean at face value it looks diverse but so many weapons and spells all look and feel the same. 

seanmcloughlin

Well you're incredibly easy to please then

Skyrim's biggest fault is letting you see and do everything in one single playtrhough. You can become the head of all the guilds or factions in the land and no one rises up against you for betraying the other. It killed the replay value in the game for me

It also has a really poor skill tree and upgrade system that defies actual role playing. Why carve my own path when I can just play all the paths

Exactly, and welcome to the elder scrolls MMO! where the classes are..

MAGE-HUNTER-WARRIOR!

WARRIOR-PRIEST-MAGE!

PRIEST-MAGE-WIZARD!

HUNTER-WARRIOR-ROGUE-THIEF-MAGE-WIZARD-PRIEST!

On a serious note, I like the ambition to create a huge world in which you can do whatever you want, but they never really make you feel like your part of the world. Your actions have little consequence, you can easily get out of any tight spot, you can be everything and anything all at the same time.  

Skyrim's biggest fault is letting you see and do everything in one single playtrhough. You can become the head of all the guilds or factions in the land and no one rises up against you for betraying the other. It killed the replay value in the game for me

It also has a really poor skill tree and upgrade system that defies actual role playing. Why carve my own path when I can just play all the paths

seanmcloughlin

Good point... they should've kept the old Morrowind system, where you had skill requirments to join and progress the faction storylines, so a mage character couldn't progress in the Fighter's Guild, or vice versa.

Also, it was neat how some faction storyline could pit you against the other one.

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

[QUOTE="Heil68"] As a Thief it was great,i felt powerful and the animations felt pretty good, even on dagger assassinations.way2funny

Well you're incredibly easy to please then

Skyrim's biggest fault is letting you see and do everything in one single playtrhough. You can become the head of all the guilds or factions in the land and no one rises up against you for betraying the other. It killed the replay value in the game for me

It also has a really poor skill tree and upgrade system that defies actual role playing. Why carve my own path when I can just play all the paths

Exactly, and welcome to the elder scrolls MMO! where the classes are..

MAGE-HUNTER-WARRIOR!

WARRIOR-PRIEST-MAGE!

PRIEST-MAGE-WIZARD!

HUNTER-WARRIOR-ROGUE-THIEF-MAGE-WIZARD-PRIEST!

On a serious note, I like the ambition to create a huge world in which you can do whatever you want, but they never really make you feel like your part of the world. Your actions have little consequence, you can easily get out of any tight spot, you can be everything and anything all at the same time.  

That game is gonna be so crap but people will play it for name sake alone

Yeah the world wouldn't be so bad if things didn't just happen when my character shows up and it felt like everyone was sitting around waiting for me to come by. 

Also it's an RPG, let me fvcking role play. If I choose a sorcerer path or magic, don't let me be able to fully upgrade two handed battle axes at the same time just by swinging them at random enemies. Make me build a character that's unique