Why did it become the cool thing to do to bash Skyrim on forums?

I enjoyed it so w/e

Haters gonna hate

[QUOTE="heeweesRus"]Bethesda needs to learn how to populate its f*cking world. What's the point of having a huge ass map if their isnt anything in half of it? They need to take notes from R*.BPoole96

If every dev were more like CDPR,R* and Naughty Dog we would all have much better games

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Because it's shit.

Blabadon

[QUOTE="Rocker6"]

This... also, I'd really love if they limited the scope of the game, have a smaller game world with less dungeons and places, but have most of them unique and varied, wih some small side stories, special pieces of loot that are actually useful, etc.

Bethesda RPGs like Skyrim and Oblivion are big for the sake of being big, while I'd much prefer if the design revolved over quality, instead of quantity.

Oh, and they should also finally make the jump animations look good, they're consistently atrocious! :P

seanmcloughlin

Yep, I made a video talking about how Skyrim is big for the sake of being big and the whole mission and fast travel system they implemented completely trivialises the open world aspect of it

It's impressive to see a world that big but when it's just there for the sake of it and the game doesn't utilise it properly then it's pretty bad. It's why I am worrying a bit about TW3 going full open world with a similar fast travel mechanic

Yeah, Skyrim is very enjoyable at the start while you're admiring the world size, but after some 30 hours when you fought most of the enemies, explored most of the dungeon types, etc, it gradually becomes more and more boring.

And yeah, I'm also slightly worried about TW3, but the dev promises the game will still be story orriented and focused, the open world aspect won't water it down, and I really hope they can deliver on it. TW series works best as a more focused RPG with smaller, but highly detailed environments.

[QUOTE="BPoole96"][QUOTE="heeweesRus"]Bethesda needs to learn how to populate its f*cking world. What's the point of having a huge ass map if their isnt anything in half of it? They need to take notes from R*.seanmcloughlin

If every dev were more like CDPR,R* and Naughty Dog we would all have much better games

Truth is its a very flawed game, but still very enjoyable

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[QUOTE="BPoole96"] Every dev needs to take notes from Rockstar thoughBPoole96

If every dev were more like CDPR,R* and Naughty Dog we would all have much better games

I would say them too but they embarrassed themselves with that PC version. Their technical department seems to be pretty clueless on basic things

But they did make my second favourite game ever so I'll let it slide

Now if only my internet wasn't atrocious I would have started Demon's already :(

If every dev were more like [...] Naughty Dog we would all have much better gamesseanmcloughlin

Skyrim is a fantastic game, but I just can't get in to it like I got into Oblivion back in the day... I played it for 30-40 hours and got bored, but I don't know why. I thought I'd be spending hundreds of hours like I did with TESIV. I had a character that clocked 250 hours of game time, and another with 200+ and a couple of 50-100 hour characters... 

[QUOTE="Heil68"][QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]Also they need new Voice Actors. I'm sick of hearing generic guy #7 all over the placeseanmcloughlin

Yeah and I was excited for that too before playing it, until you get in and every single guard has the same voice or they all sound the bloody same anyway. 

Even notable characters who you spend a lot of time with don't have unique voices. I know it's hard for a game that size but Skyrim is shameless for repeating phrases and voices everywhere. They still sound the same as they did in Oblivion

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]If every dev were more like [...] Naughty Dog we would all have much better gamesfoxhound_fox

[QUOTE="BPoole96"][QUOTE="heeweesRus"]Bethesda needs to learn how to populate its f*cking world. What's the point of having a huge ass map if their isnt anything in half of it? They need to take notes from R*.seanmcloughlin

If every dev were more like CDPR,R* and Naughty Dog we would all have much better games

You want shitty gunplay and combat mechanics in all your games? :o

As I said on many occassions, I find UC to be the AAA game with the worst gunplay I've seen this gen, and according to some of you, that didn't change in TLoU, but the saving grace is how the game doesn't rely on shooting much. Their production values are impressive... the rest, nah...

I'm also not a fan of their extreme linearity, I find it very heavy-handed.

Because Oblivion is 100x better.

Oblivion has legendary guilds and side quests,and cyrodill is FAR more interesting that skyrim.And when you consider mods like unique landscapes,better cities and obscuro's oblivion overhaul,skyrim looks like a freeware flash game made in the 80s in comparison.

TC seems jealous that he can't play TLOU, he can't stop talking about it... it even comes up in his threads about open world rpgs. Poor guy :P

[QUOTE="BPoole96"][QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

If every dev were more like CDPR,R* and Naughty Dog we would all have much better games

seanmcloughlin

I would say them too but they embarrassed themselves with that PC version. Their technical department seems to be pretty clueless on basic things

But they did make my second favourite game ever so I'll let it slide

Now if only my internet wasn't atrocious I would have started Demon's already :(

[QUOTE="BPoole96"][QUOTE="heeweesRus"]Bethesda needs to learn how to populate its f*cking world. What's the point of having a huge ass map if their isnt anything in half of it? They need to take notes from R*.seanmcloughlin

If every dev were more like CDPR,R* and Naughty Dog we would all have much better games

The game was dumbed down you couldn't kill certain NPC and the answers to all the puzzle for the dungeons were right in front you not to mention the design were almost all similar. Atmosphere for the game just like Fallout 3 was very bland Bethesda never did well in that category. Dialogue was boring didn't feel like talking to NPC they should take notes from the Witcher.

From Software has been a bit hit and miss to be honest. clyde46

Because Oblivion is 100x better.

Oblivion has legendary guilds and side quests,and cyrodill is FAR more interesting that skyrim.And when you consider mods like unique landscapes,better cities and obscuro's oblivion overhaul,skyrim looks like a freeware flash game made in the 80s in comparison.

call_of_duty_10

Right now, Oblivion is roughly 7 year old game... while Skyrim is not even 2 years old. How many of your listed mods were fully fleshed out in 2 years?

My point is, by the time Skyrim is 7 years old, who knows what kind of mods we'll have... modding communities last a loooong time on the PC, there are decade old games still getting community patches and levels.

Almost everyone was in awe of this game when it releaesed, it won more goty's than any game in recent memory, people sunk over 100 hours in it... is it angry PS3 fans because they got the broken version?

Yes it is buggy and the ai glitches out sometimes, but given the size and scope of the game it's amazing...

look at a game like TLOU which is arguably even buggier, with horrendous AI, only it's LINEAR and tiny in comparison to Skyrims sprawling vistas with virtually NO npcs, while skyrim has the most advanced and abundant use of npcs in gaming history.

robotapple

LOL................you seem some what obsessed with TLoU dude.............I don't know why,I mean it flopped here so is now a shit game.......right?

I guess the fact its really one of the best games of the generation despite what some plum on gamespot thinks burns deep..............LOL.MORON.

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[QUOTE="BPoole96"] Every dev needs to take notes from Rockstar thoughmems_1224

If every dev were more like CDPR,R* and Naughty Dog we would all have much better games

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]If every dev were more like [...] Naughty Dog we would all have much better gamesfoxhound_fox

Well I'd lump FROM in there too then but I stand by ND.

We need the fan service, updating games years after release for free and anti DRM of CDPR

We need the scope and scale (not every game needs this) and the ability ti fully realise a world like R* can

The voice actin, mocap and over all attention to detail of ND 

and the highy interactive gameplay of a FROMsoft game

People are reacting negatively to me saying ND, but they are fvcking good at their craft. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rnBZoYnVq8Stringerboy

My theory: Playstation fanboys are some of the most childish.  They are also the loudest.  Skyirim didnt play very well on the PS3 because it was incredibly difficult to develop on.  I swear to God there must be some strange uplink to Sony (thats where they spent all of their R&D because it sure as hell wasnt on the console) that feeds fanboys phrases, feelings and general direction.  They unite on forums literally all over the internet, they're even on Majornelson.com, to bash anything and everything that doesnt praise Sony or benefit it. (Edit: By benefiting Sony I mean in mind share, their fanboys arent great at giving them much money or buying all of those excellent exclusives we hear so much about)  I used to think Sony Defense Force was a joke, I chuckled and moved on, but I quickly realized its in every Playstation box.  

Proof?  

Microsoft considered making games more difficult to buy used.  HELL BREAKS LOOSE.

Sony makes their users pay for online multiplayer after it was a major selling point to the PS3.  No a word is really said about it.  

[QUOTE="clyde46"]From Software has been a bit hit and miss to be honest. foxhound_fox

Yep, I keep saying Dark Souls has enough story and lore in one game to fill a trilogy and it does it all without cutscenes or forcing you through endless dialogue. It's mightily impressive. 

I think that Skyrim is a great game. In the 150+ hours that I've put into it, I've only ran into one glitch. Well, it did crash to the desktop a few times before the first patch. But besides that, there was a bookshelf in the Breezehome that would move books to other bookshelves in the home. That's not bad at all. In fact, I would go play it right now, but the 8 year old power supplies in my desktop started to fail a few nights ago...superclocked

Well, 8 years is a good life for a PSU... but better get that replaced soon, a bad PSU failure can be very costly, as I'm sure you know! :P

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[QUOTE="BPoole96"] Every dev needs to take notes from Rockstar thoughRocker6

If every dev were more like CDPR,R* and Naughty Dog we would all have much better games

You want shitty gunplay and combat mechanics in all your games? :o

As I said on many occassions, I find UC to be the AAA game with the worst gunplay I've seen this gen, and according to some of you, that didn't change in TLoU, but the saving grace is how the game doesn't rely on shooting much. Their production values are impressive... the rest, nah...

I'm also not a fan of their extreme linearity, I find it very heavy-handed.

[QUOTE="Stringerboy"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rnBZoYnVq8foxhound_fox

Damn I missed that post :lol: 

[QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

If every dev were more like CDPR,R* and Naughty Dog we would all have much better games

call_of_duty_10

[QUOTE="call_of_duty_10"]

Because Oblivion is 100x better.

Oblivion has legendary guilds and side quests,and cyrodill is FAR more interesting that skyrim.And when you consider mods like unique landscapes,better cities and obscuro's oblivion overhaul,skyrim looks like a freeware flash game made in the 80s in comparison.

Rocker6

Right now, Oblivion is roughly 7 year old game... while Skyrim is not even 2 years old. How many of your listed mods were fully fleshed out in 2 years?

My point is, by the time Skyrim is 7 years old, who knows what kind of mods we'll have... modding communities last a loooong time on the PC, there are decade old games still getting community patches and levels.

[QUOTE="Rocker6"]

It's a rather flawed game, and lots of valid criticisms can be made. That said, I still enjoyed it, but there are many glaring design issues on display, and most can be summed up by describing the game as "the ocean the depth of a puddle."

mems_1224

Almost everyone was in awe of this game when it releaesed, it won more goty's than any game in recent memory, people sunk over 100 hours in it... is it angry PS3 fans because they got the broken version?

Yes it is buggy and the ai glitches out sometimes, but given the size and scope of the game it's amazing...

look at a game like TLOU which is arguably even buggier, with horrendous AI, only it's LINEAR and tiny in comparison to Skyrims sprawling vistas with virtually NO npcs, while skyrim has the most advanced and abundant use of npcs in gaming history.

robotapple

It's an average game with a huge world, nothing to piss yourself in your panties about. Plenty of things in it could've been done much better.

The voice actin, mocap and over all attention to detail of ND 

People are reacting negatively to me saying ND, but they are fvcking good at their craft. 

seanmcloughlin

Alright, that's fair enough, but the problem is, for those attributes to be noticeable the most, the game needs to be highly linear.

Still, they do a great job when it comes to production values, one would have to be crazy to deny that.

Right now, Oblivion is roughly 7 year old game... while Skyrim is not even 2 years old. How many of your listed mods were fully fleshed out in 2 years?

My point is, by the time Skyrim is 7 years old, who knows what kind of mods we'll have... modding communities last a loooong time on the PC, there are decade old games still getting community patches and levels.

Rocker6

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[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

If every dev were more like CDPR,R* and Naughty Dog we would all have much better games

BPoole96

You want shitty gunplay and combat mechanics in all your games? :o

As I said on many occassions, I find UC to be the AAA game with the worst gunplay I've seen this gen, and according to some of you, that didn't change in TLoU, but the saving grace is how the game doesn't rely on shooting much. Their production values are impressive... the rest, nah...

I'm also not a fan of their extreme linearity, I find it very heavy-handed.

[QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="Rocker6"]

It's a rather flawed game, and lots of valid criticisms can be made. That said, I still enjoyed it, but there are many glaring design issues on display, and most can be summed up by describing the game as "the ocean the depth of a puddle."

Granny_Spanked

[QUOTE="Rocker6"]

[QUOTE="call_of_duty_10"]

Because Oblivion is 100x better.

Oblivion has legendary guilds and side quests,and cyrodill is FAR more interesting that skyrim.And when you consider mods like unique landscapes,better cities and obscuro's oblivion overhaul,skyrim looks like a freeware flash game made in the 80s in comparison.

call_of_duty_10

Right now, Oblivion is roughly 7 year old game... while Skyrim is not even 2 years old. How many of your listed mods were fully fleshed out in 2 years?

My point is, by the time Skyrim is 7 years old, who knows what kind of mods we'll have... modding communities last a loooong time on the PC, there are decade old games still getting community patches and levels.

Alright, I can agree with that, Oblivion indeed had much more memorable quests, and guilds were far better, more detail, more interesting storylines, etc. Dark Brotherhood was the most awesome of all, of course! :P

Sad how in Skyrim, the guilds had very short and uninteresting questlines with lots of padding based on the radiant quest system... I just wanted to get them over with, and that sucks...

[QUOTE="Granny_Spanked"][QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="Rocker6"]

It's a rather flawed game, and lots of valid criticisms can be made. That said, I still enjoyed it, but there are many glaring design issues on display, and most can be summed up by describing the game as "the ocean the depth of a puddle."

mems_1224

The voice actin, mocap and over all attention to detail of NDseanmcloughlin

[QUOTE="Rocker6"]

Right now, Oblivion is roughly 7 year old game... while Skyrim is not even 2 years old. How many of your listed mods were fully fleshed out in 2 years?

My point is, by the time Skyrim is 7 years old, who knows what kind of mods we'll have... modding communities last a loooong time on the PC, there are decade old games still getting community patches and levels.

foxhound_fox

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[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

If every dev were more like CDPR,R* and Naughty Dog we would all have much better games

BPoole96

You want shitty gunplay and combat mechanics in all your games? :o

As I said on many occassions, I find UC to be the AAA game with the worst gunplay I've seen this gen, and according to some of you, that didn't change in TLoU, but the saving grace is how the game doesn't rely on shooting much. Their production values are impressive... the rest, nah...

I'm also not a fan of their extreme linearity, I find it very heavy-handed.

Yeah, I can agree with that, ND really drops the ball as far as gameplay is concerned IMO, and since lots of time in UC is spent around shooting, it's no wonder I find the entire franchise mediocre.

And true, CDPR doesn't have the best gamplay around, but as a whole package, I find both Witcher games awesome. I mean, I could point out a lot of shortcomings if I analyzed every game element on its own, but ultimately, everything ties together nicely, and that's what matters the most.

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Also, have you played MP3 on the PC?

For me, it's easily the best TPS this gen, has awesome combat mechanics and the most satisfying gunplay I saw this gen. My only complaint was a few cutscenes too many...

Yea but the world in The Witcher 2 is very very small compared to Skyrim. Lets see if the can keep the same densely populated world and meaningful choices once they switch to an open world game in The Witcher 3.mems_1224