Why did it become the cool thing to do to bash Skyrim on forums?

Because that's what kids do when a game gets amazing scores. Same happened to Oblivion, GTA4, Red Dead Redemption, etc...

I believe that the fact PS3 couldn't handle the game properly, also helped!

[QUOTE="BPoole96"][QUOTE="Rocker6"]

You want shitty gunplay and combat mechanics in all your games? :o

As I said on many occassions, I find UC to be the AAA game with the worst gunplay I've seen this gen, and according to some of you, that didn't change in TLoU, but the saving grace is how the game doesn't rely on shooting much. Their production values are impressive... the rest, nah...

I'm also not a fan of their extreme linearity, I find it very heavy-handed.

mems_1224

Because the Honeymoon period wore off and people realised just how shit it really was

Terrible mission design, awful AWFUL characters NPCs dialogue, Shitty old animations, clunky combat, boring enemies, really poor dungeons that were all the same

The only thing Skyrim did right was the environments and world itself. Everything inside of that world though is pretty bad

seanmcloughlin

Because that's what kids do when a game gets amazing scores. Same happened to Oblivion, GTA4, Red Dead Redemption, etc...

I believe that the fact the mighty PS3 couldn't handle the game properly, also helped :twisted:

 

PAL360

What? That ididnt happen with Oblivion. GTA4 wasn't that great and rdr was good but got boring kinda quick.GONtheSKYLORD

See my point? In reality those are incredible games :P

And no, Oblivion was hated to dead.

I honestly haven't played a Naughty Dog game yet that I have truly enjoyed. Crash Bandicoot, Jak & Daxter, and Uncharted... the only game from those three franchises I liked was Crash Bash, and ND didn't make it. What they make might be entertaining for many, but it isn't for me, and I don't think they are essential to the progress of the gaming industry. Not like Nintendo, Platinum or CDPR might be.foxhound_fox

http://psnprofiles.com/Zeviander

I suggest giving Uncharted 2 and and The Last of Us a playthrough before righting them off.

After playing 100+ hours, a games has shown all its ugly sides.

I suggest giving Uncharted 2 and and The Last of Us a playthrough before righting them off.AcidSoldner

[QUOTE="GONtheSKYLORD"]What? That ididnt happen with Oblivion. GTA4 wasn't that great and rdr was good but got boring kinda quick.PAL360

See my point? In reality those are incredible games :P

And no, Oblivion was hated to dead.

I think GTA4 would have been great but San Andreas made it feel like a step backwards for me. RDR had no replay value for me. Once I beat it, I couldn't go back.GONtheSKYLORD

They aren't perfect, but no game it.

its a popular game, there you go. 

[QUOTE="AcidSoldner"]I suggest giving Uncharted 2 and and The Last of Us a playthrough before righting them off.foxhound_fox

TLoU also goes back to that previous comment you made about animation not being an integral part of gameplay. TLoU doesn't have a cover system, not a "sticky one" anyways. But because of the way the characters are animated, you can take cover naturally behind all obstacles and objects without having "sticking" yourself to a piece of cover. It's quite and accomplishment gameplay wise.

[QUOTE="AcidSoldner"]I suggest giving Uncharted 2 and and The Last of Us a playthrough before righting them off.foxhound_fox

[QUOTE="Heil68"][QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]Also they need new Voice Actors. I'm sick of hearing generic guy #7 all over the placeseanmcloughlin

Yeah and I was excited for that too before playing it, until you get in and every single guard has the same voice or they all sound the bloody same anyway. 

Even notable characters who you spend a lot of time with don't have unique voices. I know it's hard for a game that size but Skyrim is shameless for repeating phrases and voices everywhere. They still sound the same as they did in Oblivion

Yes, then you have games like GTA IV where every single pedestrian has their own voice actor and hundreds of lines, while having over 300 different pedestrians. I hope Bethesda spends some of the tons of money they made on more voice actors in their next game.

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="AcidSoldner"]I suggest giving Uncharted 2 and and The Last of Us a playthrough before righting them off.AcidSoldner

TLoU also goes back to that previous comment you made about animation not being an integral part of gameplay. TLoU doesn't have a cover system, not a "sticky one" anyways. But because of the way the characters are animated, you can take cover naturally behind all obstacles and objects without having "sticking" yourself to a piece of cover. It's quite and accomplishment gameplay wise.

Tomb Raider did that as well and imo it worked slightly better there

Far cry 3 already did that with the cover system.Stringerboy

Tomb Raider did that as well and imo it worked slightly better thereBen-Buja

I hated The Elders Scroll and all of Bethesda's other crappy games long before they were popular ! And nope Rockstar isn't any better, except for Max Payne 3 ofcourse.Lulu_Lulu

Oh man! full on hipster up in here!

Man, Now I kinda wanna go play Skyrim again. Never got around to the Dragonborn DLC. mems_1224

You should try it out, it's a great, definitely the best Skyrim DLC pack. Also, if you played Morrowind, it may make you slightly nostalgic, has a few smart references, and a few bits of the original sountrack, which is awesome.

R*

seanmcloughlin

[QUOTE="mems_1224"]Man, Now I kinda wanna go play Skyrim again. Never got around to the Dragonborn DLC. Rocker6

You should try it out, it's a great, definitely the best Skyrim DLC pack. Also, if you played Morrowind, it may make you slightly nostalgic, has a few smart references, and a few bits of the original sountrack, which is awesome.

A better question would be why it was so positively received?

[QUOTE="Rocker6"]

[QUOTE="mems_1224"]Man, Now I kinda wanna go play Skyrim again. Never got around to the Dragonborn DLC. mems_1224

You should try it out, it's a great, definitely the best Skyrim DLC pack. Also, if you played Morrowind, it may make you slightly nostalgic, has a few smart references, and a few bits of the original sountrack, which is awesome.

More or less... although TBH, oddly, I never modded Morrowind myself! :P

Picked up a Steam copy on some Bethesda sale a few days ago, should go back to it one of these days, and give that huge overhaul mod a try.

Great games that aren't widely known are seen as the holy grail on forums. Great games that ARE widely known are seen as flawed and not worth playing 5/10 games on forums. Oh but of course no one will ever compare say Skyrim to a game they prefer and why they liked it better, just pretend the game has a lot of compettion and ignore that fact i's one of a kind in its sub-genre. Such is the Internet.

Almost everyone was in awe of this game when it releaesed, it won more goty's than any game in recent memory, people sunk over 100 hours in it... is it angry PS3 fans because they got the broken version?

Yes it is buggy and the ai glitches out sometimes, but given the size and scope of the game it's amazing...

look at a game like TLOU which is arguably even buggier, with horrendous AI, only it's LINEAR and tiny in comparison to Skyrims sprawling vistas with virtually NO npcs, while skyrim has the most advanced and abundant use of npcs in gaming history.

robotapple

Because most gamers are contrarians. They will love something but as soon as too many people love it then they start to hate it just because its popular.

The PS3 version is not broken, hasnt been for a long time now. Sounds more like you just want to hate sony because they are popular.

And comparing last of us to skyrim also shows you dislike sony just because its sony. Those 2 games are nothing alike at all. Thats like comparing angry birds to world of warcraft. TLOU isnt supposed to be open world, it isnt supposed to have npc's and it isnt supposed to be nonlinear because it isnt the same kind of game at all.

You also have shown that you have not even played TLOU at all because you just repeat the other complaints other anti sony people make about the AI, being buggy and so fourth. Had you actually played the game you would know those things arent true. I beat it in like 19 hours and played the new game + some and never had a crash or bug pop up. Once or twice Id seen an enemy AI be stupid, but youre comparing it to skyrim that even now still has tons of AI problems.

While the story telling is pretty heavy handed in The Last of Us, which seems unfavorable to you, the gameplay is totally on a level that I think will appeal to you. Reactive as you put it.

TLoU also goes back to that previous comment you made about animation not being an integral part of gameplay. TLoU doesn't have a cover system, not a "sticky one" anyways. But because of the way the characters are animated, you can take cover naturally behind all obstacles and objects without having "sticking" yourself to a piece of cover. It's quite and accomplishment gameplay wise.

AcidSoldner

[QUOTE="robotapple"]

Almost everyone was in awe of this game when it releaesed, it won more goty's than any game in recent memory, people sunk over 100 hours in it... is it angry PS3 fans because they got the broken version?

Yes it is buggy and the ai glitches out sometimes, but given the size and scope of the game it's amazing...

look at a game like TLOU which is arguably even buggier, with horrendous AI, only it's LINEAR and tiny in comparison to Skyrims sprawling vistas with virtually NO npcs, while skyrim has the most advanced and abundant use of npcs in gaming history.

Gargus

Because most gamers are contrarians. They will love something but as soon as too many people love it then they start to hate it just because its popular.

The PS3 version is not broken, hasnt been for a long time now. Sounds more like you just want to hate sony because they are popular.

And comparing last of us to skyrim also shows you dislike sony just because its sony. Those 2 games are nothing alike at all. Thats like comparing angry birds to world of warcraft. TLOU isnt supposed to be open world, it isnt supposed to have npc's and it isnt supposed to be nonlinear because it isnt the same kind of game at all.

You also have shown that you have not even played TLOU at all because you just repeat the other complaints other anti sony people make about the AI, being buggy and so fourth. Had you actually played the game you would know those things arent true. I beat it in like 19 hours and played the new game + some and never had a crash or bug pop up. Once or twice Id seen an enemy AI be stupid, but youre comparing it to skyrim that even now still has tons of AI problems.

And don't try to write it off simply as bugs either, the AI is simply not intelligent at all.

This compares scene for scene what was promised and what we got.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whAma7fOdmM

[QUOTE="Gargus"]

[QUOTE="robotapple"]

Almost everyone was in awe of this game when it releaesed, it won more goty's than any game in recent memory, people sunk over 100 hours in it... is it angry PS3 fans because they got the broken version?

Yes it is buggy and the ai glitches out sometimes, but given the size and scope of the game it's amazing...

look at a game like TLOU which is arguably even buggier, with horrendous AI, only it's LINEAR and tiny in comparison to Skyrims sprawling vistas with virtually NO npcs, while skyrim has the most advanced and abundant use of npcs in gaming history.

robotapple

Because most gamers are contrarians. They will love something but as soon as too many people love it then they start to hate it just because its popular.

The PS3 version is not broken, hasnt been for a long time now. Sounds more like you just want to hate sony because they are popular.

And comparing last of us to skyrim also shows you dislike sony just because its sony. Those 2 games are nothing alike at all. Thats like comparing angry birds to world of warcraft. TLOU isnt supposed to be open world, it isnt supposed to have npc's and it isnt supposed to be nonlinear because it isnt the same kind of game at all.

You also have shown that you have not even played TLOU at all because you just repeat the other complaints other anti sony people make about the AI, being buggy and so fourth. Had you actually played the game you would know those things arent true. I beat it in like 19 hours and played the new game + some and never had a crash or bug pop up. Once or twice Id seen an enemy AI be stupid, but youre comparing it to skyrim that even now still has tons of AI problems.

also not intelligent ?!

what this then ?!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiJ0ZBGkEUU&hd=1

stop trolling already

As with Oblivion when people are given time to move past the hype they get a more objective retrospective of the game.

Sadly, when 9's and 9.5's are thrown around gamers tend to go with it rather than challange it.

Is it cool?

Well I guess I am pretty damn popular because I didn't know that. By the way that game sucks compared to any other Elder Scrolls game.

Is it cool?

Well I guess I am pretty damn popular because I didn't know that. By the way that game sucks compared to any other Elder Scrolls game.

WitIsWisdom

To be fair, Oblivion sucks as well. e.g.  Just riding around with the sky turning red every 15 seconds with dramatic music... that just plain bad design.

Anything that becomes popular or succesfull wil be hated on by people of a certain ilk. It's a herd mentality. 

Anything that becomes popular or succesfull wil be hated on by people of a certain ilk. It's a herd mentality. 

kalipekona

So if everyone likes something and you don't that's considered "herd mentality"?

1.  If you have something popular there will always be haters.

2.  All TES games have innumerable glaring flaws so often times the hate is justified.

I played a bit of Skyrim, but I didnt allow myself to get too far into it.  I've run into game breaking glitches with every TES game I've played.  When you lose tens of hours of progress you dont exactly feel like doing it again.

It was a decent game by itself, but it's a good game with mods. I would have given it a 7.5 out of 10 without mods.

i feel like fallout destroys skyrim and puts it to shame.  dark souls is better than skyrim.

kingoflife9

Fallout: Vegas sure. Thats because it's Obisidian, they actually make RPG's.

I never played Skyrim, so I can't comment on whether the game is good or not, though I can't help but feel that some may have been throwing out 9-10 scores over the fact that the game has a SUPER LARGE WORLD where you can YELL AT DRAGONS WHICH IS SUPER MANLY. GOTY MATERIAL HERE.

Because most gamers are contrarians. They will love something but as soon as too many people love it then they start to hate it just because its popular.Gargus