why do most of the people prefer console gaming over Pc's?

I **** envy you americans newegg is so cheap its insane. 600$ computer, cheap and good.

http://data.fuskbugg.se/dipdip/cheappowerfullcomputer.gif

[QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

Define "constantly", as it's kind of open to interpretation.

Bebi_vegeta

It is sort of addicting.... Once you've upgraded you want MOAR!!!!!

Oh yeah! I'm always eyeing the 580GTX.

Indeed, I went SLI little over a month ago and I'm eyeing it too :D I suppose PC gaming is as expensive as you want it to be but some of us are doooooomed!

[QUOTE="jedikevin2"]On that build, drop down on video card and move up to a phenom iix4. Drop down ram to ddr3 1333 as well. theuncharted34

But isn't that cpu good enough not to bottleneck the gpu? I kinda wanted to go from that athlon x4 straight to a phenom x6 in a couple years.

Phenom x6 are kinda Meh... You not gonna get much going to it. Might as well get the performance now in a phenom iix4 and not have to worry. By time you will want to upgrade, you will be moving to another motherboard and CPU all together. hit up the pc hardware section again and folks will getcha going and help you find better deals.

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[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

Hey, I have 1 HDTV for the whole family, I guess I'll need to buy a new one for my console time.

Also, you can use your HDTV for monitor.

Bebi_vegeta

display is obviously a kind of a double edged sword as you can play the same card against consoles as you have so expertly done. But things like case, OS, Input device and DVD are included with a console purchase.

Very true.

I guess, we can include them.

But, let's take me for example... if ever I need to upgrade... I already have a case,dvd,K&M,OS. So for me, it's alot less expensive.

That's the big difference with console, you need to buy the compley kit... VS PC, you buy what you need or want.

i suppose... but realistically, i dont know anyone that still gaming on windows 3.1 or using a 10 year old beige tower case and has a 2x speed read only dvd drive. Realistically these components are generally upgraded probably on a similar timescale to the lifespan of a console. Most PC upgrades, from my experience seem to occur within the timeline of a console. I think most PC gamers probably find themselves doing a fresh build probably every 5 years or less. I realistically doubt any self respecting PC gamer is still using SDRAM or a motherboard with an AGP slot.

Because consoles where designed for gaming thats why they allways have the best games/graphics/multiplayer etc.Chrome-

"best games/graphics/multipler" comparative to PC gaming?

Because consoles where designed for gaming thats why they allways have the best games/graphics/multiplayer etc.Chrome-

[QUOTE="Chrome-"]Because consoles where designed for gaming thats why they allways have the best games/graphics/multiplayer etc.lundy86_4

"best games/graphics/multipler" comparative to PC gaming?

[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

[QUOTE="jedikevin2"]

But isn't that cpu good enough not to bottleneck the gpu? I kinda wanted to go from that athlon x4 straight to a phenom x6 in a couple years.

jedikevin2

Phenom x6 are kinda Meh... You not gonna get much going to it. Might as well get the performance now in a phenom iix4 and not have to worry. By time you will want to upgrade, you will be moving to another motherboard and CPU all together. hit up the pc hardware section again and folks will getcha going and help you find better deals.

Pretty much. In the hardware section, you will find that the elitists are a pretty helpfull bunch ;)

Because consoles where designed for gaming thats why they allways have the best games/graphics/multiplayer etc.Chrome-

Where is Lowe0 when you need him... I mean, the CONSOLEZ ELITISMZ!!!

But, I'll just pretend this was a weak flamebait.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

display is obviously a kind of a double edged sword as you can play the same card against consoles as you have so expertly done. But things like case, OS, Input device and DVD are included with a console purchase.

markinthedark

Very true.

I guess, we can include them.

But, let's take me for example... if ever I need to upgrade... I already have a case,dvd,K&M,OS. So for me, it's alot less expensive.

That's the big difference with console, you need to buy the compley kit... VS PC, you buy what you need or want.

i suppose... but realistically, i dont know anyone that still gaming on windows 3.1 or using a 10 year old beige tower case and has a 2x speed read only dvd drive. Realistically these components are generally upgraded probably on a similar timescale to the lifespan of a console. Most PC upgrades, from my experience seem to occur within the timeline of a console. I think most PC gamers probably find themselves doing a fresh build probably every 5 years or less. I realistically doubt any self respecting PC gamer is still using SDRAM or a motherboard with an AGP slot.

I never do a fresh built... I upgrade parts.

If there's still people playing NES console, I'm sure there's still people with windows 3.1...

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="Chrome-"]Because consoles where designed for gaming thats why they allways have the best games/graphics/multiplayer etc.Chrome-

"best games/graphics/multipler" comparative to PC gaming?

[QUOTE="Chrome-"]Because consoles where designed for gaming thats why they allways have the best games/graphics/multiplayer etc.Bebi_vegeta

Where is Lowe0 when you need him... I mean, the CONSOLEZ ELITISMZ!!!

But, I'll just pretend this was a weak flamebait.

I know it's cool to call everything that happens around here "elitism", but that really dilutes the claim when actual elitism comes along.

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

Very true.

I guess, we can include them.

But, let's take me for example... if ever I need to upgrade... I already have a case,dvd,K&M,OS. So for me, it's alot less expensive.

That's the big difference with console, you need to buy the compley kit... VS PC, you buy what you need or want.

Bebi_vegeta

i suppose... but realistically, i dont know anyone that still gaming on windows 3.1 or using a 10 year old beige tower case and has a 2x speed read only dvd drive. Realistically these components are generally upgraded probably on a similar timescale to the lifespan of a console. Most PC upgrades, from my experience seem to occur within the timeline of a console. I think most PC gamers probably find themselves doing a fresh build probably every 5 years or less. I realistically doubt any self respecting PC gamer is still using SDRAM or a motherboard with an AGP slot.

I never do a fresh built... I upgrade parts.

If there's still people playing NES console, I'm sure there's still people with windows 3.1...

What people don't seem to get is that you upgrade parts as you go along, not unlike maintaining your car....

Sometimes, that means mobo/ram/cpu, sometimes it's just a cabinet.

Actually, I'm seriously considering making a custom cabinet of some kind.. It's just a matter of finding a cool container of a proper size and then gutting your current one if you can't be bothered with measuring too much. I'm thinking, I'll just cut up my CM Sniper and attach the plate directly to whatever I find, if anything.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="Chrome-"]Because consoles where designed for gaming thats why they allways have the best games/graphics/multiplayer etc.lowe0

Where is Lowe0 when you need him... I mean, the CONSOLEZ ELITISMZ!!!

But, I'll just pretend this was a weak flamebait.

I know it's cool to call everything that happens around here "elitism", but that really dilutes the claim when actual elitism comes along.

HA!!! I guess you've fallen for it lol... I beleive his resonning for those comments are coming, hold your hat!

[QUOTE="lowe0"]

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

Where is Lowe0 when you need him... I mean, the CONSOLEZ ELITISMZ!!!

But, I'll just pretend this was a weak flamebait.

Bebi_vegeta

I know it's cool to call everything that happens around here "elitism", but that really dilutes the claim when actual elitism comes along.

HA!!! I guess you've fallen for it lol... I beleive his resonning for those comments are coming, hold your hat!

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

Very true.

I guess, we can include them.

But, let's take me for example... if ever I need to upgrade... I already have a case,dvd,K&M,OS. So for me, it's alot less expensive.

That's the big difference with console, you need to buy the compley kit... VS PC, you buy what you need or want.

Bebi_vegeta

i suppose... but realistically, i dont know anyone that still gaming on windows 3.1 or using a 10 year old beige tower case and has a 2x speed read only dvd drive. Realistically these components are generally upgraded probably on a similar timescale to the lifespan of a console. Most PC upgrades, from my experience seem to occur within the timeline of a console. I think most PC gamers probably find themselves doing a fresh build probably every 5 years or less. I realistically doubt any self respecting PC gamer is still using SDRAM or a motherboard with an AGP slot.

I never do a fresh built... I upgrade parts.

If there's still people playing NES console, I'm sure there's still people with windows 3.1...

whats the oldest component of your rig? older than the 360 launch?

You may not need to upgrade every component everytime you upgrade... but i think over a 5-7 year period you will probably have upgraded every component. Including things like case, OS, dvd player, and M/KB

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

i suppose... but realistically, i dont know anyone that still gaming on windows 3.1 or using a 10 year old beige tower case and has a 2x speed read only dvd drive. Realistically these components are generally upgraded probably on a similar timescale to the lifespan of a console. Most PC upgrades, from my experience seem to occur within the timeline of a console. I think most PC gamers probably find themselves doing a fresh build probably every 5 years or less. I realistically doubt any self respecting PC gamer is still using SDRAM or a motherboard with an AGP slot.

Filthybastrd

I never do a fresh built... I upgrade parts.

If there's still people playing NES console, I'm sure there's still people with windows 3.1...

What people don't seem to get is that you upgrade parts as you go along, not unlike maintaining your car....

Sometimes, that means mobo/ram/cpu, sometimes it's just a cabinet.

Actually, I'm seriously considering making a custom cabinet of some kind.. It's just a matter of finding a cool container of a proper size and then gutting your current one if you can't be bothered with measuring too much. I'm thinking, I'll just cut up my CM Sniper and attach the plate directly to whatever I find, if anything.

Exactly!

Making a customer cabinet, nice! If I wasn't too lazy I would! I saw some cool mods like that...

Something like this... http://gadgetsteria.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/desk-pc8-1024x768.jpg

But I just got myself a corsair obsidian 800d, with water cooling loop. It's one heavy case!!!

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"] Huh? That's not elitist. Ridiculous, yes. Confusing fact with opinion, absolutely. But saying "my platform has always been the best and always will be" isn't elitism. Elitism in SW is saying "you just don't know better" or "you're just poor" or otherwise implying that your opinion really isn't valid and that you only hold it because you're unable to pursue someone else's preferred option. See the difference?

I know it's cool to call everything that happens around here "elitism", but that really dilutes the claim when actual elitism comes along.

lowe0

HA!!! I guess you've fallen for it lol... I beleive his resonning for those comments are coming, hold your hat!

Man, never mind... System wars... serious business. Go back to sleep... sorry for bothering you it seems.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

i suppose... but realistically, i dont know anyone that still gaming on windows 3.1 or using a 10 year old beige tower case and has a 2x speed read only dvd drive. Realistically these components are generally upgraded probably on a similar timescale to the lifespan of a console. Most PC upgrades, from my experience seem to occur within the timeline of a console. I think most PC gamers probably find themselves doing a fresh build probably every 5 years or less. I realistically doubt any self respecting PC gamer is still using SDRAM or a motherboard with an AGP slot.

markinthedark

I never do a fresh built... I upgrade parts.

If there's still people playing NES console, I'm sure there's still people with windows 3.1...

whats the oldest component of your rig? older than the 360 launch?

You may not need to upgrade every component everytime you upgrade... but i think over a 5-7 year period you will probably have upgraded every component. Including things like case, OS, dvd player, and M/KB

Well, I'm a upgrade freak... So the oldest would be my PSU Thermaltake toughpower 1000w.

I won't be upgrading case... I got one of the biggest.

I won't be upgrading DVD, unless games are going to be needing blu-ray... even though I use Steam.

I won't be upgrading OS, until support dies.

I won't be upgrading K&M until they actually die.

Like said, people upgrade at the speed they want... I don't beleive people do a full system upgrade... it tends to cost more in the short run.

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="Chrome-"]Because consoles where designed for gaming thats why they allways have the best games/graphics/multiplayer etc.Chrome-

"best games/graphics/multipler" comparative to PC gaming?

I've seen both... Not sure if serious...

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

I never do a fresh built... I upgrade parts.

If there's still people playing NES console, I'm sure there's still people with windows 3.1...

Bebi_vegeta

whats the oldest component of your rig? older than the 360 launch?

You may not need to upgrade every component everytime you upgrade... but i think over a 5-7 year period you will probably have upgraded every component. Including things like case, OS, dvd player, and M/KB

Well, I'm a upgrade freak... So the oldest would be my PSU Thermaltake toughpower 1000w.

I won't be upgrading case... I got one of the biggest.

I won't be upgrading DVD, unless games are going to be needing blu-ray... even though I use Steam.

I won't be upgrading OS, until support dies.

I won't be upgrading K&M until they actually die.

Like said, people upgrade at the speed they want... I don't beleive people do a full system upgrade... it tends to cost more in the short run.

Indeed, not long ago, my Logitech G11 had a severe case of beer inflicted upon it. A quick trip to the dishwasher and a few days of using my spare fixed that.

PC gaming is quite expensive for many of us but that's because we get smitten and it turns into a hobby.

[QUOTE="Chrome-"][QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

"best games/graphics/multipler" comparative to PC gaming?

lundy86_4

I've seen both... Not sure if serious...

I don't think he is after his best PC game thread earlier.

soulitane

Settles it. I've been on and off tonight so I didn't see it :P At least I don't think I did :?

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

whats the oldest component of your rig? older than the 360 launch?

You may not need to upgrade every component everytime you upgrade... but i think over a 5-7 year period you will probably have upgraded every component. Including things like case, OS, dvd player, and M/KB

Filthybastrd

Well, I'm a upgrade freak... So the oldest would be my PSU Thermaltake toughpower 1000w.

I won't be upgrading case... I got one of the biggest.

I won't be upgrading DVD, unless games are going to be needing blu-ray... even though I use Steam.

I won't be upgrading OS, until support dies.

I won't be upgrading K&M until they actually die.

Like said, people upgrade at the speed they want... I don't beleive people do a full system upgrade... it tends to cost more in the short run.

Indeed, not long ago, my Logitech G11 had a severe case of beer inflicted upon it. A quick trip to the dishwasher and a few days of using my spare fixed that.

PC gaming is quite expensive for many of us but that's because we get smitten and it turns into a hobby.

I think thats the issue... whats the point of being a PC gamer if you are gonna use the oldest and cheapest components you can get away with? you gotta stay up to date if you wanna remain competitive. My 2001 honda civic my be drivable, but im not a glutton for punishment so im not gonna roll that thing onto a f1 race track. If you wanna play with the big boys you gotta show up in the proper attire.

[QUOTE="soulitane"]

I don't think he is after his best PC game thread earlier.

lundy86_4

Settles it. I've been on and off tonight so I didn't see it :P At least I don't think I did :?

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=27538490

1-virus free

2 convienent

3 dont need to worry about if i have enough to run so and so

4 --cheaper

5 --- exclusive games not found on pc!!! such as goldeneye 007 -ya yo u can pirate /which is illegal lol , the orginal but still yo u do not get the remake

and

6 the biggest upset to pc gaming is having to download off steam because half the software dont make it to retail shelves haha thats the most un convienent way is to well not ownin the things yo u b uy

[QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

Well, I'm a upgrade freak... So the oldest would be my PSU Thermaltake toughpower 1000w.

I won't be upgrading case... I got one of the biggest.

I won't be upgrading DVD, unless games are going to be needing blu-ray... even though I use Steam.

I won't be upgrading OS, until support dies.

I won't be upgrading K&M until they actually die.

Like said, people upgrade at the speed they want... I don't beleive people do a full system upgrade... it tends to cost more in the short run.

markinthedark

Indeed, not long ago, my Logitech G11 had a severe case of beer inflicted upon it. A quick trip to the dishwasher and a few days of using my spare fixed that.

PC gaming is quite expensive for many of us but that's because we get smitten and it turns into a hobby.

I think thats the issue... whats the point of being a PC gamer if you are gonna use the oldest and cheapest components you can get away with? you gotta stay up to date if you wanna remain competitive. My 2001 honda civic my be drivable, but im not a glutton for punishment so im not gonna roll that thing onto a f1 race track. If you wanna play with the big boys you gotta show up in the proper attire.

Are you calling my G11 dated? We're not keeping our stuff around till it dies.. We're keeping it till it's not satisfying anymore. I know you have some sort of dual analogue fetish but that just leaves me thinking you have no or little experience playing with a keyboard.

And why be a console gamer at all with the jaggy, low res messes you have to look at? I don't actually mean that but I'm sure you get the point.

Edit: WASD essentially gives you 8 direction movement and I really fail to see how an analogue stick is supposed to be vastly superior to that.... And last time I checked, I had access to a lot more buttons on my keyboard than on my gamepad where everything is crammed together through menus instead of shortkeys.

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

[QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

Indeed, not long ago, my Logitech G11 had a severe case of beer inflicted upon it. A quick trip to the dishwasher and a few days of using my spare fixed that.

PC gaming is quite expensive for many of us but that's because we get smitten and it turns into a hobby.

Filthybastrd

I think thats the issue... whats the point of being a PC gamer if you are gonna use the oldest and cheapest components you can get away with? you gotta stay up to date if you wanna remain competitive. My 2001 honda civic my be drivable, but im not a glutton for punishment so im not gonna roll that thing onto a f1 race track. If you wanna play with the big boys you gotta show up in the proper attire.

Are you calling my G11 dated? We're not keeping our stuff around till it dies.. We're keeping it till it's not satisfying anymore. I know you have some sort of dual analogue fetish but that just leaves me thinking you have no or little experience playing with a keyboard.

And why be a console gamer at all with the jaggy, low res messes you have to look at? I don't actually mean that but I'm sure you get the point.

Edit: WASD essentially gives you 8 direction movement and I really fail to see how an analogue stick is supposed to be vastly superior to that.... And last time I checked, I had access to a lot more buttons on my keyboard than on my gamepad where everything is crammed together through menus instead of shortkeys.

i actually have a g15, so my keyboard > your keyboard. Although actually i dont like the logitech keyboards so my g15 is in a closet collecting dust, biggest waste of money ever. Then again due to the lack of any variety in precision... keyboards tend to be the least integral part of any PC.

on consoles, everyone else is looking at that same low res jaggy mess.... so while it may not be the best experience, im still on a level playing field.

and control sticks allow for varying degrees of precision. Wanna slowly creep around that corner on a controller? you can do that. On a keyboard.... you can try to tap your way there... but frankly its gonna be more difficult to make those fine adjustments. Out of all Pc components keyboards are pretty much the only thing that doesnt evolve... in fact they tend to get worse, because alot of the old keyboards used to be mechanical.

[QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

I think thats the issue... whats the point of being a PC gamer if you are gonna use the oldest and cheapest components you can get away with? you gotta stay up to date if you wanna remain competitive. My 2001 honda civic my be drivable, but im not a glutton for punishment so im not gonna roll that thing onto a f1 race track. If you wanna play with the big boys you gotta show up in the proper attire.

markinthedark

Are you calling my G11 dated? We're not keeping our stuff around till it dies.. We're keeping it till it's not satisfying anymore. I know you have some sort of dual analogue fetish but that just leaves me thinking you have no or little experience playing with a keyboard.

And why be a console gamer at all with the jaggy, low res messes you have to look at? I don't actually mean that but I'm sure you get the point.

Edit: WASD essentially gives you 8 direction movement and I really fail to see how an analogue stick is supposed to be vastly superior to that.... And last time I checked, I had access to a lot more buttons on my keyboard than on my gamepad where everything is crammed together through menus instead of shortkeys.

i actually have a g15, so my keyboard > your keyboard. Although actually i dont like the logitech keyboards so my g15 is in a closet collecting dust, biggest waste of money ever. Then again due to the lack of any variety in precision... keyboards tend to be the least integral part of any PC.

on consoles, everyone else is looking at that same low res jaggy mess.... so while it may not be the best experience, im still on a level playing field.

and control sticks allow for varying degrees of precision. Wanna slowly creep around that corner on a controller? you can do that. On a keyboard.... you can try to tap your way there... but frankly its gonna be more difficult to make those fine adjustments. Out of all Pc components keyboards are pretty much the only thing that doesnt evolve... in fact they tend to get worse, because alot of the old keyboards used to be mechanical.

The difference between g15 and g11 is pretty much a display on the keyboard itself, so thats a crazy difference right there :roll:

And I'm sure you're spending plenty of time adjusting the exact crouch/movement speed with that gamepad of yours...... Want to lean around that corner? On a controller.... You simply can't. Prone? No room.. If you ever tried to play Crysis with a 360 controller, you'd know how gimped it is.

Edit:

G15:

G11:

I think my G11 is pretty damn good and rather sexy to boot. In fact, one could call the model with the display the modern version of g15.

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

[QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

Are you calling my G11 dated? We're not keeping our stuff around till it dies.. We're keeping it till it's not satisfying anymore. I know you have some sort of dual analogue fetish but that just leaves me thinking you have no or little experience playing with a keyboard.

And why be a console gamer at all with the jaggy, low res messes you have to look at? I don't actually mean that but I'm sure you get the point.

Edit: WASD essentially gives you 8 direction movement and I really fail to see how an analogue stick is supposed to be vastly superior to that.... And last time I checked, I had access to a lot more buttons on my keyboard than on my gamepad where everything is crammed together through menus instead of shortkeys.

Filthybastrd

i actually have a g15, so my keyboard > your keyboard. Although actually i dont like the logitech keyboards so my g15 is in a closet collecting dust, biggest waste of money ever. Then again due to the lack of any variety in precision... keyboards tend to be the least integral part of any PC.

on consoles, everyone else is looking at that same low res jaggy mess.... so while it may not be the best experience, im still on a level playing field.

and control sticks allow for varying degrees of precision. Wanna slowly creep around that corner on a controller? you can do that. On a keyboard.... you can try to tap your way there... but frankly its gonna be more difficult to make those fine adjustments. Out of all Pc components keyboards are pretty much the only thing that doesnt evolve... in fact they tend to get worse, because alot of the old keyboards used to be mechanical.

The difference between g15 and g11 is pretty much a display on the keyboard itself, so thats a crazy difference right there :roll:

And I'm sure you're spending plenty of time adjusting the exact crouch/movement speed with that gamepad of yours...... Want to lean around that corner? On a controller.... You simply can't. Prone? No room.. If you ever tried to play Crysis with a 360 controller, you'd know how gimped it is.

Edit:

G15:

I actually have the old model of the g15, so the only difference is the screen :P

you seem to be getting irate so im just gonna let it go, my intention wasnt to upset you.

EDIT: and the g11 version with the screen is the one i have, that was the old g15

Not a fan of Keyboard and Mouse

Don't like sitting at a computer playing games. I like lying down on my bed with a paddle in my hand enjoying myself.

[QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

i actually have a g15, so my keyboard > your keyboard. Although actually i dont like the logitech keyboards so my g15 is in a closet collecting dust, biggest waste of money ever. Then again due to the lack of any variety in precision... keyboards tend to be the least integral part of any PC.

on consoles, everyone else is looking at that same low res jaggy mess.... so while it may not be the best experience, im still on a level playing field.

and control sticks allow for varying degrees of precision. Wanna slowly creep around that corner on a controller? you can do that. On a keyboard.... you can try to tap your way there... but frankly its gonna be more difficult to make those fine adjustments. Out of all Pc components keyboards are pretty much the only thing that doesnt evolve... in fact they tend to get worse, because alot of the old keyboards used to be mechanical.

markinthedark

The difference between g15 and g11 is pretty much a display on the keyboard itself, so thats a crazy difference right there :roll:

And I'm sure you're spending plenty of time adjusting the exact crouch/movement speed with that gamepad of yours...... Want to lean around that corner? On a controller.... You simply can't. Prone? No room.. If you ever tried to play Crysis with a 360 controller, you'd know how gimped it is.

Edit:

G15:

I actually have the old model of the g15, so the only difference is the screen :P

you seem to be getting irate so im just gonna let it go, my intention wasnt to upset you.

EDIT: and the g11 version with the screen is the one i have, that was the old g15

Nope, you're wrong there. G11 was the successor to the first G15. And feel free to call me irate but how about adressing my bolded points since they were directly adressing your argument? Did you just happen to not have an answer in your favour? It's so easy to take the chillpill route when you run out of steam huh? ;)

Edit: While I'm at it, you did'nt seem to mind people being irate in this recent thread, where you can be quoted for using arguments such as: "a mouse isnt meant for precision aiming.... it was meant to click icons. Games are adapted to and balanced around the technology... much like they are with a controller."

I think it's a few things. Besides the all important personal preference thing.

1. Consoles are more mainstream, they go in your living room after all.

2. Children grow up with console, controllers are seen as essential for gaming

3. Primary purpose is gaming

4. Genre types, more platformers and JRPGs for instance

5. PC gaming seen as uncool (thanks WOW)

6. Lack of PC knowledge/ people think it's difficult.

7. PC gaming IS harder to get into, but if the time and effort is put in, it's sooooo worth it.

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

[QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

The difference between g15 and g11 is pretty much a display on the keyboard itself, so thats a crazy difference right there :roll:

And I'm sure you're spending plenty of time adjusting the exact crouch/movement speed with that gamepad of yours...... Want to lean around that corner? On a controller.... You simply can't. Prone? No room.. If you ever tried to play Crysis with a 360 controller, you'd know how gimped it is.

Edit:

G15:

Filthybastrd

I actually have the old model of the g15, so the only difference is the screen :P

you seem to be getting irate so im just gonna let it go, my intention wasnt to upset you.

EDIT: and the g11 version with the screen is the one i have, that was the old g15

Nope, you're wrong there. G11 was the successor to the first G15. And feel free to call me irate but how about adressing my bolded points since they were directly adressing your argument? Did you just happen to not have an answer in your favour? It's so easy to take the chillpill route when you run out of steam huh? ;)

G15 is that version of the G11 with the screen, im almost positive. Unless ive been wrong this entire time.

Seemed like a tangent but i suppose i can address it... alot of PC fps have no peeking around corners, and you can prone on consoles. 360 degrees of movement with variable speed control is clearly more accurate than 8 directional button presses. Obviously that matters more in certain genres than in others... but its clearly better and is probably the main advantage of the controller over the PC in terms of precision... thats why platformers kinda suck on PC.... WASD doesnt quite have the precision.

and i genuinely thought you were getting angry at me, and i really didnt want a fight... im not anti PC, i just think PC gamers could stand to be brought down a notch... so i try to offer a more realistic perspective in order to juxtapose the idyllic nature PC gamers like to give to the platform.

I think it's a few things. Besides the all important personal preference thing.

1. Consoles are more mainstream, they go in your living room after all.

2. Children grow up with console, controllers are seen as essential for gaming

3. Primary purpose is gaming

4. Genre types, more platformers and JRPGs for instance

5. PC gaming seen as uncool (thanks WOW)

6. Lack of PC knowledge/ people think it's difficult.

7. PC gaming IS harder to get into, but if the time and effort is put in, it's sooooo worth it.

marq4porsche

I'm at it, you did'nt seem to mind people being irate in this recent thread, where you can be quoted for using arguments such as: "a mouse isnt meant for precision aiming.... it was meant to click icons. Games are adapted to and balanced around the technology... much like they are with a controller."

Filthybastrd

im in a chill mood tonight, drinking and enjoying myself. :P

and there was alot of elitist PC BS in there. ;)

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[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

I actually have the old model of the g15, so the only difference is the screen :P

you seem to be getting irate so im just gonna let it go, my intention wasnt to upset you.

EDIT: and the g11 version with the screen is the one i have, that was the old g15

markinthedark

Nope, you're wrong there. G11 was the successor to the first G15. And feel free to call me irate but how about adressing my bolded points since they were directly adressing your argument? Did you just happen to not have an answer in your favour? It's so easy to take the chillpill route when you run out of steam huh? ;)

G15 is that version of the G11 with the screen, im almost positive. Unless ive been wrong this entire time.

Seemed like a tangent but i suppose i can address it... alot of PC fps have no peeking around corners, and you can prone on consoles. 360 degrees of movement with variable speed control is clearly more accurate than 8 directional button presses. Obviously that matters more in certain genres than in others... but its clearly better and is probably the main advantage of the controller over the PC in terms of precision... thats why platformers kinda suck on PC.... WASD doesnt quite have the precision.

and i genuinely thought you were getting angry at me, and i really didnt want a fight... im not anti PC, i just think PC gamers could stand to be brought down a notch... so i try to offer a more realistic perspective in order to juxtapose the idyllic nature PC gamers like to give to the platform.

Not at all. I'm just doing my best as a System Warrior! ;) These are games afterall and people should themselves dictate what they enjoy and how they do it.

Edit: In fact, I regard this board as a game as well.. Sometimes, I can spend an entire evening here instead of actually gaming :P

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[QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

Nope, you're wrong there. G11 was the successor to the first G15. And feel free to call me irate but how about adressing my bolded points since they were directly adressing your argument? Did you just happen to not have an answer in your favour? It's so easy to take the chillpill route when you run out of steam huh? ;)

Filthybastrd

G15 is that version of the G11 with the screen, im almost positive. Unless ive been wrong this entire time.

Seemed like a tangent but i suppose i can address it... alot of PC fps have no peeking around corners, and you can prone on consoles. 360 degrees of movement with variable speed control is clearly more accurate than 8 directional button presses. Obviously that matters more in certain genres than in others... but its clearly better and is probably the main advantage of the controller over the PC in terms of precision... thats why platformers kinda suck on PC.... WASD doesnt quite have the precision.

and i genuinely thought you were getting angry at me, and i really didnt want a fight... im not anti PC, i just think PC gamers could stand to be brought down a notch... so i try to offer a more realistic perspective in order to juxtapose the idyllic nature PC gamers like to give to the platform.

Not at all. I'm just doing my best as a System Warrior! ;) These are games afterall and people should themselves dictate what they enjoy and how they do it.

Edit: In fact, I regard this board as a game as well.. Sometimes, I can spend an entire evening here instead of actually gaming :P

I think we are all guilty of wasting far too much time here.

I enjoy both PC and consoles... I find i mostly only get judged by PC gamers for that fact, so that tends to be the group i lash out against. Cant say a console gamer has ever called me stupid for liking a PC game, but the reverse is definitely true around here.

And if fps ever wear out their welcome for you on PC, give consoles a shot... you will suck horribly at first... but it changes up the gameplay and can offer some variety if things are getting a bit stale, as was the case for me. :D

I've been a console gamer all my life, but recently I saw what a PC is capable of and my jaw dropped.

I still prefer consoles over pc, just for the comfort and the ecxlusive games. But When there's multiports, I always try to get the PC version because I know graphically it will be better. I use my 360 controller to play on pc, I just never gotthe hang of using the keyboard and mouse.

I just got a EVGA gtx 570 Superclocked for Christmas, so i'm pretty ecxited to set it up.

I just wish that PC gets the attention it deserves, because it's a very capable machine when it comes to gaming.

I've been a console gamer all my life, but recently I saw what a PC is capable of and my jaw dropped.

I still prefer consoles over pc, just for the comfort and the ecxlusive games. But When there's multiports, I always try to get the PC version because I know graphically it will be better. I use my 360 controller to play on pc, I just never gotthe hang of using the keyboard and mouse.

I just got a EVGA gtx 570 Superclocked for Christmas, so i'm pretty ecxited to set it up.

I just wish that PC gets the attention it deserves, because it's a very capable machine when it comes to gaming.

id_mew

I'm guessing that most people who play console games don't have a capable-enough PC to play the PC versions of those games. Laptops, netbooks, and tablets are become more and more prevelent, and most of them have an integrated GPU. So I don't think it's a simple "should I buy it for console or PC?" choice.

a few reasons

Money, Consoles are cheaper, well they are more expensive in the long run, but console gamers dont really care aslong as its just cheaper off the bat

Mods/Better Graphics/Steam, most casual Console gamers wouldnt know that, people still think PS3's are more powerful than all PC's

Advertising,whatever is advertised to be the next big thing is always on Consoles, with the exception of Blizzard

Spending a thousand hours playing videogames every year and then saying that you prefer a more convenient platform is quintessentially silly.Brownesque

Wow interesting debates love the reads lol. anyways before I say anything I am not on either side as I grew up with consoles in the past and moved on to PC's. Some of you have good valid points while others are questionable. Valid points are mass appeal and simplicity (although consoles are advancing to the point that you have to setup the network and share the same router as the PC if you wish to play online). Anyways these debates are nothing more than repeats of death of pc gaming. Honestly I don't think its the case at all

What is really going on is the gaming industry is changing to new areas where its about games and less mumble jumble about technical this and that. I understand that. This does not mean that pc gaming is dying it just means that its not being noticed by the masses. In fact PC gaming never was popular to even begin with. And now.. PC gaming is being noticed by the masses but may be out of reach for some which in my book is better than not being noticed at all. Every year games are coming out on pc's even games we never thought we will ever see come to the pc such as devil may cry. That game was console exclusive to the Sony playstation.

Game exclusives is becoming rare on any platform. Only the big titles that represents the consoles gran turisomo is Sony Mario bros is nintendo Halo for 360 those are examples. And also another reason why people prefer consoles is due to the fact that the masses can't handle no more than to power on their console from their controllers and play and furthermore critizing how PC's are complex. You guys are comparing PC's from 1999 to today's consoles "soo many this config and that to get it to work" those days are long gone.

the only thing true is compatibility but even that is becoming rarer. I will admit i am a tech savy. My builds have never caused me grief at all. In fact all my pc games is just download and crank up the settings and goo!. Another thing is true is understanding knowledge of PC hardware but these days. Components are getting advanced that is is becoming easier to install and configure. Even driver updates are not really necessary for every new title. I update my drivers every 3 or 4 months. Sometimes if the driver is stable i don't update at all for a long while.

In fact I love doing this kind of stuff that i am actually fixing my friend's PS3. Apparently the bluray drive just went the fritzs. all the ps3 does it turns on blue light blinks 3 times and ps3 turns off. And he has no warranty. Now i need to get a ps3 drive replacement. Upon taking the ps3 apart it is setup to remove parts like the PC such as the drive. How ironic.

the point is consoles do fail and when they fail your SOL if you do not have warranty or if you don't have the "technical know how".

I even remember when i fixed my brother PS2. Thanks to PC's if i ever own a console and it breaks and out of warranty i be dam to let it go and try to fix it.

The whole point to all of this PC has its strengths and i feel that is being overlooked severly. In fact one of the biggest strength's is every minute new hardware comes out and ultimate advantage is emulation. I am not sure if you are aware or care but console emulation on pc's is on the rise. with good hardware and no not over the top can really get your ps1 ps2 and gamecube and wii emulators going at full force. and with the core i7 i am sure ps3 is next but i could careless emulating ps3. Ps2 ps1 and gamecube are the sweet spot lol. this is becoming a reality.

Its those examples how people are underestimating the PC

About HDTV's thats not even debatable anymore. there is no more monitors and TV's Now its a hybrid. Almost every monitor you buy has the ability to hook up your PC and consoles. My Monitor has the ability to hookup a PS3 Xbox 360 and my PC all side by side. This whole living room things thats just a preference which I don't care about.23" WS LCD's is good enough for me and does not cost a fortune.

Lastly Consoles are not consoles anymore I mean "install feature, other OS ,hard drives Keyboard and mouse" Online downloadbale content. The big difference between a MODERN PC's to consoles is its all layed out for you. I don't know about you guys but my expreience with pc gaming has been smooth sailing ever since i built my rig 4 years ago. Hardly ever upgrade. and when i do upgrade it be the video card. the rest is pretty much maxed out And can easily last me for another 5 years. But I am about keeping up with new technology. Building rigs isn't just for gaming but as emulation as well ;). I am blown away how these emulaors have advanced.

I can Play games such as Resident Evil Remake and Zero that was only exclusive to Gamecube on my PC :). Same with Final Fantasy X and Metal Gear Solid 2 on the PS2. Only catch is the know how to everything else is pretty much free lol. And for the record I don't piratte PC games all my games are legit from retail and steam. Thanks to steam too many games being released faster than i can keep up.

So there you have it! Keep up the debates going lol.

Cheers

I'm guessing that most people who play console games don't have a capable-enough PC to play the PC versions of those games. Laptops, netbooks, and tablets are become more and more prevelent, and most of them have an integrated GPU. So I don't think it's a simple "should I buy it for console or PC?" choice.

Teufelhuhn